人民vs利润：中美医疗体系对比
People vs Profits: China and US Health Care Systems Compared
译文简介
人民vs利润：中美医疗体系对比
正文翻译
人民vs利润：中美医疗体系对比
评论翻译
很赞 ( 19 )
收藏
China's health care system has recently come to public consciousness in the U.S. with “TikTok Refugees” on Red Note comparing healthcare in the two countries.
On today's China report, KJ is joined by Dr. Margaret Flowers and author Mimi Zhu, and the three discuss health care in China and contrast it with that of the U.S.'s privatized system.
Our understanding of China — and U.S.-China relations — has become a defining feature of all global politics. The China Report is a new show produced in collaboration with Pivot to Peace where every week, journalist Amanda Yee and political analyst KJ Noh will be helping you through all the propaganda with an independent view of the country we are taught to hate, but know so little about.
中国的医疗系统最近通过小红书上的“TikTok难民”在美国引起了公众的关注，他们比较了两国的医疗保健情况。
在今天的《中国报告》中，KJ与Margaret Flowers博士和作家Mimi Zhu一起讨论中国的医疗保健，并将其与美国私有化的系统进行对比。
我们对中国的理解——以及美中关系——已经成为全球政治的一个决定性特征。《中国报告》是与Pivot to Peace合作制作的新节目，每周记者Amanda Yee和政治分析师KJ Noh将帮助您通过宣传，以独立的视角看待这个我们被教导要憎恨但知之甚少的国家。
Unless you're rich or a vip - health care in the US is sick
除非你很富有或是VIP，否则美国的医疗保健对你来说是病态的。
Luigi Guy were rich and still he hate the system
Luigi Guy很富有，但他仍然讨厌这个系统。
Don't say "privatized". it is "profitized." Money superceeds everything. It is dehumanizing and has left most people who undergo treatment in this industrialized private healthcare system feeling dehumanized. The United States is a sick place.
不要说“私有化”，而是“利润化”。金钱高于一切，这是非人化的，这使大多数在这个工业化私有医疗系统中接受治疗的人感到被非人化。美国是一个病态的地方。
It is CORPORATISED.
This is not service provided by doctors working in their own surgeries as small private businesses. In fact, independent family practitioners are disappearing in the U.S. as the system of insurance payments will no longer fund exploding rents and personel in these small surgeries, which are closing down, and family practitioners are now forced to go and work for vast, corporate run surgeries.
这是公司化的。
这不是由医生在自己的诊所中作为小型私营企业提供的服务。事实上，独立的家庭医生在美国正在消失，因为保险支付系统不再为这些小诊所的爆炸性租金和人员提供资金，这些小诊所正在关闭，家庭医生现在被迫去为大型公司运营的诊所工作。
My friends invited me to guangzhou in 2016, I was staying in a hotel in CBD. We were roaming , eating for a week.
One night at around 1 pm I had severe stomache, I called my friend who was staying nearby for emergency visit to hospital. He asked me to wait and arranged medicine directly from nearby hospital .Within 20 minutes I had my medicine. The bottle has 2 capsule of Pantop D. I was relieved.
Chinese healthcare system is really awesome.
2016年，我的朋友邀请我去广州，我住在CBD的一家酒店。我们游玩、吃了一个星期。
一天晚上大约凌晨1点，我胃痛得很厉害，我打电话给住在附近的朋友，让他带我去医院急诊。他让我等一下，然后直接从附近的医院安排了药物。20分钟内我就拿到了药，瓶子里有两粒Pantop D胶囊。我松了一口气。
中国的医疗系统真的很棒。
If you were in Canada, you’d be waiting in the waiting room for 26hours or longer before a doctor attends to you. There are warning signs on the hospital walls reminding people to stay calm and not turn violent (from inhumane waiting).
如果你在加拿大，你会在候诊室等26小时或更长时间，医生才会来给你看病。医院墙上有警告标志，提醒人们保持冷静，不要（因为不人道的等待）变得暴力。
原创翻译：龙腾网 https://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
As of this moment, everything is overpriced in US. From Eggs to homes to EVs to Insurance to Healthcare....
The only thing that is not overpriced is "wages"....and all these to benefit a few elites....at the expense of the working class.
For those who still believe that tariffs are a tax on the exporting nation.....you need to go back to school.
目前，美国的一切都价格过高。从鸡蛋到房屋，到电动汽车，到保险，到医疗保健……
唯一没有价格过高的是“工资”……而所有这些都是为了少数精英的利益……以工人阶级为代价。
对于那些仍然认为关税是对出口国征税的人……你需要回学校重新学习。
The poor quality of the US "healthcare" is honestly so shocking
美国“医疗保健”的低质量真是令人震惊。
American here. America is hell. There’s no reason to sugarcoat it. We’re not a country. We’re a company. 60,000 people die per year due to lack of adequate healthcare. My mother died at 51 and my father at 47 because of a lifetime of inadequate healthcare. I have a master’s degree, own my own business, and an 810 credit score, and I still struggle with health care costs because of my “family history.”
我是美国人。美国是地狱，我们没有理由粉饰它。我们不是一个国家，我们是一家公司。我们每年有6万人因缺乏足够的医疗保健而死亡。我母亲51岁去世，父亲47岁去世，都是因为一生中缺乏足够的医疗保健。我拥有硕士学位，有自己的生意，信用评分为810，但由于我的“家族史”，我仍然在医疗费用上挣扎。
If I wasn't married, I would move to China.
如果我没有结婚，我会搬到中国。
We welcome people from all over the world come and contribute to our further development.
我们欢迎世界各地的人们来为我们的进一步发展做出贡献。
Don't hesitate. Move while you are able to with your family. Several of my friends from UK did with their young family to China and living purposeful lives. Free from mental stress.
不要犹豫，趁你还能和家人一起搬家。我的几个英国朋友带着他们的年轻家庭搬到中国，过着有目标的生活，他们没有精神压力。
原创翻译：龙腾网 https://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
Moving to China or Russia… there are contacts of both Europeans & Americans on YT
搬到中国或俄罗斯……YouTube上有欧洲人和美国人的联系方式。
It is shocking to see how a wealthy country like the U.S. has total disregard for the wellbeing of its people. How can the Americans accept and not rebel against this sad state of affairs?!...
看到一个像美国这样富裕的国家完全无视其人民的福祉，真是令人震惊。美国人怎么能接受而不反抗这种可悲的状况？！……
Wow US medical health care system is shockingly expensive!!! Thanks KJ for an amazing insights on Medical healthcare system between US & China thanks inviting two amazing guests voicing TRUTHS on US & China healthcare.
哇，美国的医疗保健系统贵得惊人！！！感谢KJ对美国和中国的医疗保健系统的精彩见解，感谢邀请两位出色的嘉宾讲述美国和中国的医疗保健真相。
Very informative and I know it's true because my daughter's best friend became very ill during a summer internship in China and paid a total of $5 for care and medicine. Also, my daughter worked in Japan for two years with no vacation (she could take up to 5 days off but had to work double time before and after to cover the shifts of those who had covered hers) so she was unable to visit home in California for those 2 years. The same company in Beijing offered a month off each year, paid shuttle to work, free lunch, and much nicer and newer housing. Makes me wonder.
非常有信息量，我知道这是真的，因为我女儿最好的朋友在中国暑期实习期间病得很重，但她只花了5美元就得到了治疗和药物。此外，我女儿在日本工作了两年，没有假期（她可以请最多5天假，但必须在前后加倍工作以弥补那些替她值班的人），所以她两年内无法回加利福尼亚的家。北京的同家公司每年提供一个月的假期，付费班车，免费午餐以及更好更新的住房。这让我不禁陷入了思考。
Also, I know it’s true, because in America, we have paid hundreds of thousands for healthcare for parents.
我也知道这是真的，因为在美国，我们为父母的医疗保健支付了数十万美元。
America don't even have basic asian standards. When westerners go to asia, they live so well. Affordable and luxurious at the same time.
美国甚至达不到基本的亚洲标准。当西方人去亚洲时，他们生活得非常好，既实惠又奢华。
Talking about the need for an "advocate" in the context of the USA medical system is a cruel evasion. It lets the system off the hook, when the system should be condemned. I was physically present to help my mother in the last years of her life, and they called me an "advocate", a label I rejected. What I did was everything I could possibly do, it I did more than most people can do--on account of their jobs. What I did was not enough. I could not save my mother from the cruelty and inhumanity of my system, and neither my mother nor I got the respect we deserved. The word "advocate" is a nasty, lying evasion. To be an "advocate" is not a solution because you will be surrounded by countless individuals who will always, in the end, serve the demands of capital.
在美国医疗系统的背景下谈论“拥护者”的需求是一种残酷的逃避，它让系统逃脱了责任，而系统应该受到谴责。我在我母亲生命的最后几年里亲自帮助她，他们称我为“拥护者”，我拒绝了这个标签。我所做的尽了我所能，我比大多数人做得更多，但我所做的还不够，因为我无法将母亲从系统的残酷和非人道中拯救出来，我和我的母亲都没有得到应有的尊重。“拥护者”这个词是一种恶毒的、撒谎的逃避，成为“拥护者”并不是一个解决方案，因为你将被无数最终服务于资本需求的个人包围。
原创翻译：龙腾网 https://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
Really wish this had more views. It’s so clear and easy to see the faults of us health care and I feel like its roots in the problem are with the insane education impediments that the US maintains to help keep class division. If education were free we’d have no issue with workforce in these impacted fields, but the chain of businesses that run our social system are what keep us in a constant turmoil
真的希望这个视频有更多的观看量。美国医疗保健的缺陷是如此明显和容易看到，我觉得问题的根源在于美国为保持阶级分化而设置的疯狂的教育障碍。如果教育是免费的，我们在这些受影响的领域就不会存在劳动力问题，但运行我们社会系统的商业链条让我们一直处于动荡之中。
Wow I actually started crying when she said the total was only 3 US dollars - the way i have been putting off health care bc it's so expensive
哇，当她说到总共只花了3美元时，我实际上开始哭了——因为医疗费用太高了，我一直在推迟看医生。
My dentist is also practicing in the US. I was shocked that she told me that insurance required her to take out a tooth and either implant or recommend a denture rather than treat and repair an otherwise treatable and repairable tooth! Insane!
我的牙医也在美国执业。我震惊地听到她告诉我，保险要求她拔掉一颗牙齿，要么种植牙，要么推荐假牙，而不是治疗和修复一颗本可以治疗和修复的牙齿！这太疯狂了！
Providing health services at affordable price is utmost important to citizens, it's the priority of every government
以可承受的价格提供医疗服务对公民来说至关重要，这是每个政府的首要任务。
原创翻译：龙腾网 https://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
Thank you KJ for your superb reporting on the USA vs China health care. USA has a lot to learn from China.
感谢KJ对美国和中国的医疗保健的出色报道，美国有很多可以向中国学习的地方。
Prescxtions are free for all in Scotland as is medical care.
在苏格兰，处方药和医疗服务对所有人都是免费的。
Prescxtions are free?! That's amazing! No one ever talks about the affordability of healthcare in Scotland
处方药免费？！太棒了！从来没有人谈论苏格兰医疗保健的可负担性。
But the NHS is so stretched that my GP surgery in Edinburgh has stopped monitoring blood pressure or blood sugars. When I see my GP, he no longer routinely takes my BP, and there is no regular blood work.
Health monitoring was one of the major advances in preventive medicine, so that people did not turn up with renal failure or MI’s because they had long-term undetected and untreated hypertension or diabetes. By cutting this, it provides short term respite for over-burdened GP’s, but will create a much larger financial burden further down the line as the NHS will be presented with an explosion of chronic disease because these were left to develop.
但NHS如此紧张，以至于我在爱丁堡的全科医生诊所已经停止监测血压或血糖。当我看全科医生时，他不再按照常规测量我的血压，也没有定期的血液检查。
健康监测是预防医学的主要进步之一，这样人们就不会因为长期未被发现和治疗的高血压或糖尿病而出现肾衰竭或心肌梗死。通过削减这一点，它为负担过重的全科医生提供了短期的喘息机会，但将在未来造成更大的财务负担，因为NHS将面临慢性疾病的爆发，因为这些疾病被放任发展。
Think worse care and paying twice as much for it, if in United States. Pay twice as much for less care.
想想在美国，你会得到更差的护理和支付两倍的费用。你支付了两倍的费用，得到的护理却更少。
Great program again; i didn't knew how the Chinese health system worked and now.. i've a better idea.
又是一个很棒的项目；我以前不知道中国的医疗系统是如何运作的，现在……我有了更好的了解。
It's always good to learn from what other countries are doing.. doesn't mean they don't have their own flaws too
学习其他国家的做法总是好的……这并不意味着他们没有自己的缺陷。
I was already impressed by what I’ve been seeing on RedNote.The video of the hospital blew me away! No wonder China’s life expectancy continues to climb while the U.S. continues to regress to early 20th-century levels.
我已经对在小红书上看到的内容印象深刻。医院的视频让我大吃一惊！难怪中国的预期寿命正继续攀升，而美国则继续倒退到20世纪初的水平。
U.S Healthcare so sky high that why Luigi making a point sent United Health CEO Brian Thompson six feet under.
美国的医疗费用如此之高，以至于Luigi提出了这一点，让联合健康首席执行官Brian Thompson入土为安吧。
原创翻译：龙腾网 https://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
I lived in China and now in the US. I used to think the way you pay first and then get treated in China was a bit cold. But now every time I get a medical bill from the mailbox I have a minor panic. I certainly don’t mind paying first these days.
我之前生活在中国，现在在美国。我曾经认为在中国先付钱再治疗的方式有点冷漠，但现在每次我从邮箱里收到医疗账单时，我都会有点恐慌。我现在当然不介意先付钱。
The Chinese government advocates on behalf on their citizens to get lower cost for medications nd healthcare services, whereas in the U.S. the government is in cohort with the big business that operates the hospitals to make sure there are no competition in their field all the while charge the maximum cost to their citizens.
中国政府代表公民争取降低药物和医疗服务的成本，而在美国，政府与经营医院的大企业合作，确保他们在自己的领域没有竞争，同时向公民收取最高费用。
The former Mexican president said he was building a Healthcare system as good as Dinamark's. He never explained why it was so good as far as I know. But it's part of Mexican culture that everything in Europe is amazing, even if they don't know anything about it. He also, always , when he spoke about China, made a diminishing comment , unnecessary , almost like an unconscious reflect. Also, very typical of Mexican culture. With Trump back in the Supremacist House , Mexican analysts still say But Stay Wary of China. Lopez Obrador had no idea of who has the best Healthcare System.
墨西哥前总统说他正在建立一个像丹麦一样好的医疗系统。据我所知，他从未解释过为什么它如此好。但这是墨西哥文化的一部分，他们认为欧洲的一切都很棒，即使他们对它一无所知。他还总是（当他谈到中国时）做出不必要的贬低的评论，这几乎像是一种无意识的反应。这也是墨西哥文化的典型特征。随着特朗普回到白人至上主义的白宫，墨西哥分析师仍然说要警惕中国。Lopez Obrador不知道谁拥有最好的医疗系统。
Great show K.J .Its quite incredible that after ww2 the countries the US fought in ww2 are still occupied by the US.These countries in reality just swapped one occupier for the next.When will these nations fight for their sovereingnty?.
很棒的节目，K.J。令人难以置信的是，二战后，在二战中与美国作战的国家仍然被美国占领，这些国家实际上只是换了一个占领者。这些国家什么时候会为他们的主权而战？
I wish I could leave the US so badly. It's next to impossible. I want to move almost anywhere else.
我真希望能离开美国，但这几乎是不可能的。我想搬到任何其他地方。
US and UK public health system are a shame.
Learn from Singapore, Malaysia, and of course China , ie if these US and UK Government are not too proud to learn from people who are proven better than them.
美国和英国的公共卫生系统是可耻的。
他们应该向新加坡、马来西亚，当然还有中国学习。也就是说这些美国和英国政府太骄傲了，它们不愿意向那些被证明比他们更好的人学习。
The USA is a joint neocolonial project of European countries and it still exists under neocolonial rule. Our oligarchs are merely local agents of foreign powers.
美国是欧洲国家的一个新殖民主义联合项目，它仍然存在于新殖民主义统治下。我们的寡头只是外国势力的地方代理人。
The reason hospital charges are high in US, because you are paying for the doctors insurance in case they get sued
美国医院收费高的原因是因为你在为医生的保险买单，以防他们被起诉。
No : it’s because they are paying for corporate profits at every turn, from drugs (the U.S. government is not allowed to negotiate directly with drug companies regarding drug charges, so patients pay far more for drugs MADE IN THE US than Canadians across the border) to ambulances to hospital beds to corporations employing doctors on a salary to private insurance and on and on.
Scales of charges are almost totally unregulated. There is a reason why Mangione shot a healthcare insurance executive and half the nation cheered.
不：这是因为他们在为企业的利润买单，从药物（美国政府不允许直接与制药公司谈判药物费用，所以患者为美国制造的药物支付的费用远远高于边境对面的加拿大人）到救护车到医院病床到雇佣医生的公司到私人保险等等。
收费标准几乎完全不受监管。Mangione射杀医疗保险公司高管，而全国一半人欢呼是有原因的。
We have been tremendously lied to believe that there is no other country better than America,but when you start to travel outside of usa, you would quickly understand that usa is hell in term of healthcare
我们被极大地欺骗，相信没有比美国更好的国家，但当你开始在美国以外旅行时，你会很快明白美国在医疗保健方面是地狱。
In the USA, health, like housing and education are commodities to be owned and used to make profits. It should have been our human rights as citizens of one of the "richest country" in the world.
在美国，健康，像住房和教育一样，是拥有并用于盈利的商品。作为世界上最“富裕国家”之一的公民，这应该是我们的人权。
lifes in cn is the #1 priority, the biggest example is wherever a car accident involving people, the driver is always 100% responsible to a certain degree eventhough its not his/her fault fact check please PEACE
在中国，生命是第一位的，最大的例子是无论在哪里发生涉及人员的车祸，司机总是100%负有一定责任，即使不是他/她的错，请核实事实。
原创翻译：龙腾网 https://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
I’ve seen videos where China didn’t let African woman in the hospital, my eyes didn’t lie to me!
我见过中国不让非洲妇女进医院的视频，我的眼睛没有骗我！
FYI she said it’s
45fortheentireeventincludingthemedication.AndIwasalsosickonceduetofoodpoisoning(Icookedmyownpoison)whileonthisshorttermjobinChina.Itonlycostme5 to go to hospital’s ER and be seen within 10min of arrival, including giving them my passport so they can create an ID card for my use in their hospital. Basically I was out of the hospital within 20min including my medication.
仅供参考，她说整个事件包括药物总共花费45美元。我在中国短期工作时也曾因食物中毒（我自己煮的毒药）生病，我只花了5美元就去医院的急诊室，并在到达后10分钟内得到诊治，包括给他们我的护照以便他们为我创建一张在医院使用的身份证。基本上我在20分钟内就离开了医院，包括拿到药物。
What I remember of China was that in every park you can find groups practice tai chi, qigong or dance etc and you can join in no problem. My grandmother she practiced tai chi every morning and at the age of 76 she could lift me up - I was 18 at that time, not a child! I have tried traditional Chinese medicine and it´s really POWERFUL except it didn´t taste good to be honest So I believe the Chinese way of health approache
我记得在中国，每个公园里你都能找到练习太极、气功或舞蹈等的团体，你可以毫无问题地加入。我的祖母每天早上练习太极，76岁时还能把我举起来——我当时18岁，不是小孩！我尝试过传统中医，它真的很强大，说实话除了味道不好外。所以我相信中国的健康方式。