网友热议：在美国上大学就是纯纯就业骗局，负债毕业找不到工作成常态

@JoeMacMillan_HCF
I graduated college in December 2008 and it took me about nine months to get a corporate job. And that only paid $30k a year. Luckily I had a few good years in between then and now, so I was able to pay off my loans, but I definitely feel for people graduating in this economy.
 
我 2008 年 12 月大学毕业，花了 9 个月才找到一份在企业就职的工作，年薪只有区区 3 万美元。幸运的是，从那时到现在我过了几年好日子，这才还清了贷款，但我真的很同情在当下经济环境下毕业的年轻人。
 
@Aicethegamer
Right especially now that alot of people are getting fired, jobs are being replaced with ai or going offshores, and jobs are very competitive rn since so many people are unemployed. Heck, my sister is almost done with her degree and she has to do so many UNPAID internships that it's draining us, but she is almost done and only has few months left.
 
可不是嘛，现在大把人被裁员，工作要么被 AI 取代，要么外包到海外，失业人数太多，岗位竞争已经卷到离谱。我妹妹都快毕业了，被迫做大量无薪实习，耗费精力且身心俱疲，不过现在还剩几个月熬到头了。
 
@Competitive_Loan_395
Indentured servitude for a job.
 
为了找份工作，直接变成了卖身还债的廉价苦力。
 
@modified_tiger
Jobs aren't even being replaced by AI or offshored in most recent cases. They're forcing the remaining workforce to carry the load hoping AI can pick up the slack.
 
在最近的大多数情况里，工作岗位根本没被 AI 或外包取代。企业只是在压榨在岗员工，让他们超负荷一岗多责，然后单纯指望 AI 补人手缺口。
 
@justwannabeleftalone
It took me 6 months to get a crappy job out of college and I don't even think I was making $30k. I'm doing fine now.
 
我大学毕业后花了 6 个月才找到一份烂工作，年薪甚至不到 3 万美元。不过我现在过得还不错。
 
@LifeFair767
Same here, graduated in April 2009. First corporate gig in November 2009. 40k /year . The commute by bus was an hour and a half each way. Brutal, but it paid off in the long run.
 
我也是，2009 年 4 月毕业，2009 年 11 月找到第一份企业工作，年薪 4 万美元。坐公交单程通勤一个半小时，虽然很煎熬，但长远来看是值得的。
 
@StickaFORKinMyEye
I graduated in 1994 with about 25k in loans, and worked a series of temp office jobs for several years until I finally got a W2 job. And it was another five or so years that I finally figured out my career. Unfortunately for many of us it does take time. And seems to get worse for each generation as the wealth keeps trickling up.
 
我 1994 年毕业，背负着约 2.5 万美元贷款，干了好几年办公室临时工，才终于找到一份全职的正式工作。又过了大概五年，我才彻底确定自己的职业方向。不幸的是，对我们很多人来说，这确实需要时间。而且随着财富持续向上收割，贫富阶层彻底固化，年轻一代的处境只会越来越糟。
 
@Most-Animator-5743
That post is coming from frustration, not reality. I get why they feel like that though, finishing uni with debt and no clear path hits hard. But saying college is a scam is just too black and white.
 
这个帖子是出于挫败感，而不是客观现实。我理解他们的感受，背负债务毕业、没有明确出路，确实让人难以接受。但说大学是骗局，实在太非黑即白了。
 
The real issue is people treating a degree like it guarantees something. It doesn’t. It’s leverage if you actually use it properly. Internships, networking, skills on top of the degree, that’s what changes outcomes. If you just go, get the degree, and expect life to sort itself out… yeah it’s gonna feel like a waste.
 
真正的问题是人们把学位当成了就业保障，其实它根本不是。如果你能正确利用，学位才是你的筹码。实习、人脉、专业技能，再加上学位，这些才是改变结果的关键。如果你只是去混个学位，然后指望人生一帆风顺，那肯定会觉得是浪费时间。
 
Also depends on what you study. Some degrees have clear paths, others don’t. No one tells people that properly before they go in, so they pick something vague and then struggle after.
 
这也取决于你学的专业，有些学位有明确的就业方向，有些则没有。没人会在入学前把这些讲清楚，所以学生们选了模糊的专业，毕业后就陷入困境。
 
Truth is, uni can either be one of the best investments you make or a very expensive mistake. It depends more on how you play it than the paper itself.
 
事实是，大学可能是你最划算的投资，也可能是最昂贵的错误。这更多取决于你如何利用大学生活，而不是那张文凭本身。
 
@robibuni
I agree with everything you're saying. However, I'm in a weird third boat.
 
我完全同意你说的，但我属于第三种特殊情况。
 
I was raised in poverty. I was told "Go to college! It's the only way out of poverty". I was only the second person in my family to graduate high school and first to go to college. I was told by so many people that there would be so many things open to me as a first generation college student. There weren't.
 
我在贫困中长大，所有人都跟我说 “去上大学！这是脱贫的唯一出路”。我是家里第二个高中毕业、第一个上大学的人。很多人告诉我，作为第一代大学生，我会有无数机会，但根本没有。
 
I have a useless degree at this point and $70K in student loan debt that I'm trying to pay off making $70K a year with 4 kids now in my 40s.
 
现在我手里的学位毫无用处，还背负着 7 万美元贷款，人到四十多，要养四个孩子，年薪仅 7 万美金，还要硬扛助学贷款。
 
College isn't a scam, but it certainly feels like one to those of us in our 40s who were told by literally everyone it was the only option, full stop.
 
大学不算骗局，但对我们 40 多岁的人来说，它就是骗局 —— 当年所有人都告诉我们，上大学是唯一的出路，没得选。
 
@Seanna86
Big feels with what you are saying. Felt/feel the same way. The TL;DR messaging we got was "If you dont go to college, you are a failure".
 
你的话让我感同身受，我以前和现在都这么觉得。从小到大，所有人给我们灌输的核心观念就是 “不上大学，你就是个失败者”。
 
I'm not doing terribly now, almost 40, but ill be damned if I wasn't the most jaded mofo from 2009-2016.
 
我快 40 岁了，现在过得不算差，但 2009 到 2016 那几年，我整个人彻底麻木摆烂、看透现实。
 
@robibuni
It's true. I literally don't know anyone I graduated high school with that chose a trade. They all went to college and eventually went into a trade, or got "stuck" in a trade.
 
这是真的，我高中同学里没有一个人选技工行业，他们全都去上了大学，但最后要么转行做技工，要么被困在技工岗位上。
 
Yeah, I'm in a much better position than I was between 2008-2015, and I'm always grateful, I just wish we weren't sold BS.
 
我现在的处境比 2008-2015 年好太多了，我一直很感恩，但我真希望当年没人给我们灌输那些谎言。
 
My oldest is turning 17 next week and the schools do a MUCH better job now of preparing them for college, or trade school, or military. It's all there, and I really appreciate that as a parent, because I certainly learned that not everyone is college material and that's okay!
 
我大儿子下周就 17 岁了，现在的学校在引导学生上大学、读技校或参军方面做得好多了。作为家长，我真的很感激，因为我终于明白，不是所有人都适合上大学，这没什么大不了的！
 
@JustTheBeerLight
100%. I'm not trying to shit on OP, but they are 29 years old. College probably isn't the issue.
 
完全同意，我不是想贬低楼主，但他已经 29 岁了，问题可能根本不在大学。
 
Everybody has to have a plan. Everybody needs to take an honest stock of their aptitude, skills, abilities and position in life when choosing a line of work. We all need to get lucky in the job hiring process.
 
每个人都要有规划，选择职业时，必须诚实评估自己的天资、技能、能力和人生处境。而且在求职过程中，我们都需要一点运气加持。
 
@theRetroGarage
Same exp for me. I think part of this is unfortunately an instant gratification mentality.
 
我也有同样的经历，不幸的是，这部分是因为现在的人都有只看眼前、不愿长期沉淀的浮躁心态。
 
Worked through college and graduated in 2010 with a bio degree continued to work in a Grocery store with no job prospects. Paid on my loans where I could and went back in for a Masters.
 
我大学期间边打工边上学，2010 年拿到生物学学位毕业，之后一直在杂货店工作，毫无就业前景。我尽力偿还贷款，然后回去读了硕士。
 
Graduated in 2012 with Masters and still no job prospects continued to work in the grocery store and got a second job with a hospital related to med equipment over the next year.
 
2012 年硕士毕业，依然没有工作机会，继续在杂货店打工，第二年又在医院找了一份医疗设备相关的兼职。
 
Finally got a job in my intended career Medical Device Manufacturing under paid as an engineer with a Masters at $57k.
 
终于进入了理想的医疗器械制造行业，作为硕士学历的工程师，年薪只有 5.7 万美元，薪资极低。
 
Have more than tripled my salary after 10 years in the industry and an MBA along the way. Had work pay for this and paid off my loans during Covid , 0% interest and less spending.
 
在这个行业干了 10 年，期间又读了 MBA，薪资翻了三倍多。公司报销了学费，疫情期间我还清了贷款，零利息、开销也少。
 
@AnonyPothos
I don’t have a college degree, and I worked up to having a great project manager job. I’m 32. Job market is hard in general.
 
我没有大学学位，32 岁靠自己打拼做到了优秀的项目经理。现在的就业市场整体都很艰难。
 
I was hired for a great job a while ago - for some reason they assumed I had a college degree even though it wasn't on my resume - and it wasn't a qualification on their indeed post. They pulled the offer a couple days before I started. So yes, college degree will still help you even if it’s unrelated to the field.
 
前段时间我拿到了一份好工作，不知为何他们默认我有大学学位，尽管简历上没写，招聘信息里也没把学位列为硬性要求。结果入职前几天，他们撤回了录用通知。所以没错，就算学位和工作领域无关，它依然能帮到你。
 
@chazriverstone
As someone else without a degree, I've had similar experiences.
 
作为一个没有学位的人，我也有过类似的经历。
 
I guess I present as 'educated' or something, because twice over I've been hired for great positions only to have the offers pulled when HR realized I didn't have a degree.
 
我想我看起来像 “受过教育” 的样子，我两次拿到好职位的录用通知，结果 HR 发现我没有学位，就直接撤回了 offer。
 
In my experience, the only people who tell you 'a degree isn't worth it' are people who have degrees and take them for granted because they don't know any other experience.
 
以我的经验，只有那些有学位、把学位当成理所当然的人，才会告诉你 “学位没用”，因为他们没体验过没有学位的难处。
 
Even a generic, 'nonsense' degree will at least help you get your foot in the door at a lot of places - and considering the job market today, every bit counts.
 
就算是一个普通、看似没用的学位，至少能帮你敲开很多公司的门，考虑到现在的就业市场，每一点优势都至关重要。
 
@Bagpipes064
I think my degree is only good for saying I have a degree. My time in college did very little to prepare me for my job or teach me how to do it.
 
我觉得我的学位唯一的用处，就是能说一句 “我上过大学”。大学时光根本没让我为工作做准备，也没教我任何工作技能。
 
All the job related skills I have I developed on the job that's why I consider my degree worthless. My degree doesn't show I have the ability to do my job, it shows I was willing to put up with 4-5 years of BS and pay $40,000 for a piece of paper.
 
我所有的职场技能都是上班后学的，所以我觉得学位一文不值。我的学位不能证明我能胜任工作，只能证明我愿意忍受 4-5 年的狗屁事，花 4 万美元买一张废纸。
 
@Efficient_Market1234
College degrees were never meant to be job training. There are some jobs, like doctor or engineer, where you do need the knowledge the degree provides, but most of the time, it's not about that.
 
大学学位从来都不是职业培训，医生、工程师这类工作确实需要学位提供的专业知识，但大多数工作根本不是这样。
 
It's about developing your cognitive skills. Historically, it was also about making you a well-rounded person. And as you note in your last line, it shows that you were able to achieve something that required dedication and work.
 
大学的意义是培养你的认知能力，从传统意义来说，是让你成为全面发展的人。而且就像你说的，学位能证明你有能力完成一件需要专注和努力的事。
 
If loads of people have degrees, then jobs will require them as a way to reduce the candidate pool a little.
 
如果大部分人都有学位，企业就会把学位作为筛选条件，缩小候选人范围。
 
@umlaut
Similar thing happened to me. Was in a sales job, my manager's manager called me to offer me a promotion to my manager's job in another area. We were discussing the logistics of the promotion when she mentioned "You have an MBA, right?" Nope. That killed the promotion.
 
我也遇到过类似的事，我做销售时，经理的上司打电话给我，想提拔我去另一个区域做经理。我们讨论晋升细节时，她问 “你有 MBA 学位，对吧？” 我说没有，晋升机会直接凉了。
 
Getting a degree is a long-term strategic move that likely will not have an immediate benefit. A good test of your ability to endure delayed gratification.
 
拿学位是长期战略，不会立刻有回报，这也是对你延迟满足能力的考验。
 
@PatientConfusion6341
agreed, my math/science AA got me my accounting job at the same company i’ve been with for a few years, I started at the very bottom of the totem pole though as an operations assistant
 
同意，我的数学 / 科学副学士学位让我在一家公司做了会计，我已经在这干了好几年，最开始是从公司最底层的运营助理做起。
 
@conradical30
Right there with ya. Got a basic hospitality/tourism management degree from a state school. Got me into a data entry role with a golden goose company. Been with that company 10 years, worked up into basically a senior accountant role, and making 4x what I started at.
 
我完全赞同，我在州立大学拿了酒店管理基础学位，靠这个进入一家待遇优厚、福利拉满的顶尖好企业做数据录入，在这干了 10 年，晋升到高级会计，薪资是刚入职时的四倍。
 
@Charming_Doctor7140
I got a couple of what people told me were useless degrees in college as well and it took a few years for me to find the right fit.
 
我大学也拿过几个别人说没用的学位，花了好几年才找到合适的工作。
 
What I've learned is one thing a degree is absolutely useful for, is showing employers that you can finish what you start and take on a years-long project in something that interests you.
 
我明白的是，学位绝对有用的一点，是向雇主证明你有始有终，能完成一个长达数年的项目。
 
@Hopefulkitty
So did my "useless" one. I wish it didn't cost me the obscene amount that it did, but it taught me a lot about working with all sorts of people, time management, budgeting, interest in the world around me, history, art and architecture.
 
我那个 “没用” 的学位也是如此，我真希望它没花那么多钱，但它教会我如何与各类人相处、时间管理、预算规划，培养了我对世界、历史、艺术和建筑的兴趣。
 
So, college wasn't useless, it just cost too much. I'm a millennial, so I've definitely felt the "college is a scam" emotions, because it really feels that way when every adult told you your whole life that college was the only way to succeed.
 
所以大学不是没用，只是太贵了。我是千禧一代，我确实有过 “大学是骗局” 的感受，从小到大，每个成年人都告诉你大学是成功的唯一出路。
 
@No-Presentation9035
Same. I graduated in 2007 during the recession and could only find retail jobs. Took 10 years to transition to a corporate role.
 
我也是，2007 年经济衰退时毕业，只能找到零售工作，花了 10 年才转到企业岗位。
 
Hindsight being 20/20, I ended going to a local in-state university and lived at home with my parents. At the time, I really wished I had the “college experience”, but it did help me graduate with almost no debt.
 
现在回头看，我去了本地的州立大学，和父母住在一起。当时我很渴望体验 “大学生活”，但这让我毕业时几乎没有负债。
 
@S101custom
I think in a few years your opinion may be different. Easy to point to the aspects you reference today, you'll get opportunities you don't see today and in hindsight this will have been a strong pursuit. Good luck!
 
我觉得几年后你的看法会不一样。现在你只看到不好的一面，未来你会获得现在看不到的机会，回头看，上大学会是值得的追求。祝你好运！
 
@EricRosenberg1
Totally agree with this. OP, what's your major? That can be a big factor in finding your first job out of college.
 
完全同意。楼主，你是什么专业的？专业是毕业后找第一份工作的关键因素。
 
The job market is rough right now for everyone, from super experienced down to entry level. It's frustrating, but keep your head up and stick with it. An awesome job is out there and someone wants to hire you, they just don't know it yet.
 
现在的就业市场对所有人都很艰难，从资深职场人到应届毕业生都一样。虽然很让人沮丧，但请振作起来坚持下去，总有一份好工作在等你，只是他们还没发现你。
 
@Much_Concentrate501
These upvoted comments are ridiculous. It’s almost as if nobody knows how useless college is nowadays. I majored in psych and regretted it 100% and found absolutely no jobs with it.
 
这些高赞评论太搞笑了，好像没人知道现在的大学有多没用。我主修心理学，悔到肠子都青了，拿着这个学位完全找不到工作。
 
@Independent-Try915
It was all a lie. Everything they sold us was a lie. I don’t even use my degree.
 
全都是谎言，他们灌输给我们的一切都是假的。我这辈子从来没用到过我的学位。
 
@djcamic
Hiring in biomed is at a shocking, scary, all time low. You had incredibly bad luck with NIH cuts that have rippled across the entire industry.
 
生物医学领域的招聘量跌到了史上最低，惨到吓人。你赶上了美国国立卫生研究院砍经费，整个行业都受波及，运气实在太差了。
 
@Jyonnyp
The college is a scam crowd typically never mentions what efforts they put into college or what degree they did. They didn't do internships or network or job/career search or anything. At best they maintained a decent GPA.
 
喊着 “大学是骗局” 的人，通常从来不说自己在大学里啥也没干：不实习、不搞人脉、不主动找工作，最多也就混了个还不错的绩点。
 
@xPathofChaos
I have a master's in health admin, graduated with highest honors. I have never found work in my field. Eventually, I just went into business for myself as a home cleaner. I make $25 - $30 per hour plus tips.
 
我是健康管理硕士，以最优等成绩毕业，却从来没找到过对口工作。最后我自己干起了家政保洁，时薪 25-30 美元再加小费。
 
Is all college a scam? No. But is most of it? Yup. You have to be real specific what you're going in for and a tremendous amount of job market research and even then, it can still turn out bad.
 
所有大学都是骗局吗？不是。但大部分大学是？没错。你必须极其精准地选专业、做大量的就业市场调研，就算这样，最后也可能一无所获。
 
@terpsinmybutt710
Straight up! What I would do if I could go back 15 years and smack myself, scream in young me’s face to not listen to everyone and go to trade school. College fucked me up! Stuck in debt and developed a nasty drug addiction, made a lot of bad choices.
 
说真的！要是能回到 15 年前，我一定抽自己一巴掌，吼醒当年的自己：别听他们的，去读技校！大学毁了我的人生！负债累累，还染上了毒瘾，做了无数错误的选择。
 
@haylaura
I graduated in 2008 and have yet to use my degree. Just now broke over $30k a year. College is a scam. Yet I'm looking at going back to get my masters.... to further my current career, but I've been putting it off for about a decade due to my first degree being useless.
 
我 2008 年毕业，从来没用到过学位，现在年薪才刚过 3 万美元。大学就是个骗局。可我现在还想回去读硕士…… 就为了升职，但因为第一个学位毫无用处，我已经拖了快十年了。
 
@Honest-Reflection667
College was useless for me, I’m still paying loans, and they change the amount of my payments what feels like daily. I don’t think I would recommend college to everyone like used to be the case.
 
大学对我来说毫无用处，我还在还贷款，助学贷款月供频繁随意变动，完全没有固定标准。我再也不会像以前那样，劝所有人都去上大学了。
 
@Plenty-Potential-928
Universities are garbage at job placement, advisors act like summer feelings counselors instead of offering career suggestions. Formal education is a bad investment, you won‘t receive quality education and you will be financially harming yourself.
 
学校就业辅导员完全不务实，只会像心理辅导员一样空谈大道理，根本不给实用的职业建议。正规大学教育就是一笔烂投资，学不到真东西，还会把自己搞到负债累累。
 
@Realistic_Ad_9490
I have a political science degree and I work at a warehouse. I make $17 an hour. I will be paying student loans until the day I die. College is 100% a scam for poor people.
 
我手握政治学文凭，如今只能在仓库干体力活，时薪仅 17 美元，这辈子基本还不完贷款。对穷人来说，大学百分百是骗局。
 
@ThrowRAcounty
I have a friend with a master’s in social work. She can’t get a job that pays more than $18 an hour. The entire system is broken.
 
我有个朋友是社会工作硕士，她找不到时薪超过 18 美元的工作。整个高等教育系统都烂透了。
 
@LavenderHaze00
I studied criminal justice. Useless piece of paper. The only jobs you can get are police or probation, and I don’t want either. Total waste of time and money.
 
我学的刑事司法，专业文凭完全形同废纸，对口岗位只有警察、缓刑监管这类工作，但我完全不想从事。所以对我来说大学纯粹浪费时间和金钱。
 
@MountainDewIsBae
Trade schools are the real move. My brother went to welding school, no debt, makes $85k a year. No college degree needed.
 
技校才是正道。我弟弟去读了焊接学校，毕业了都没背上学贷，年薪 8.5 万美元。所以普通人根本不需要大学学位。
 
@JadedGrad2020
I did everything right: good GPA, internships, networking. I still can’t get a job that pays enough to live on. College didn’t prepare me for anything.
 
我什么都做对了：高绩点、实习、人脉。我还是找不到能养活自己的工作。大学没让我为任何事做好准备。
 
@Quirky_Ad_7162
My parents paid for my college. I’m grateful, but my degree has never gotten me a job. I learned everything on the job. College is just a status symbol for rich people.
 
我父母供我上的大学，我很感激，但我的学位从没帮我找到过工作。所有技能都是上班学的。大学对有钱人来说只是个身份象征。
 
@BurnoutGrad
They just keep raising tuition and giving out more loans. It’s a cycle that traps poor kids. We can’t bankrupt out of it, we just suffer forever.
 
他们一直涨学费，放更多贷款。这套规则把寒门年轻人，牢牢锁死在负债陷阱里。我们没法通过破产赖掉，只能永远受苦。
 
@OldPersonYelling
Back in my day, you could work a part-time job and pay for college. Now it’s impossible. The system was hijacked by corporations and the government.
 
我那时候，打零工就能赚够学费。现在根本不可能。这个系统被企业和政府绑架了。
 
@NoHopeForGrads
I have 120k in student loans. I’ll never pay them off. I’ll be paying until I retire. College was the worst mistake of my life.
 
我背了 12 万美元学生贷款，这笔钱我永远还不清。我要还到退休。上大学是我这辈子最糟的错误。
 
@SkilledTradesBest
Electricians, plumbers, HVAC techs make more than most college grads. No debt, no useless classes. Go to trade school.
 
电工、水管工、暖通技工比大多数大学毕业生赚得多。而且不会负债，不用上没用的课。最好还是去读技校吧。
 
@MidnightRanter
The degree doesn’t mean anything anymore. Everyone has one. Employers just use it to filter resumes, not to judge skill.
 
学位现在啥也不是了，人人都有。雇主只拿它筛简历，根本不看能力。
 
@BrokeGrad2023
I work at a coffee shop with three other college graduates. None of us use our degrees. We can’t afford rent, let alone pay loans.
 
我在咖啡店打工，还有三个大学毕业生同事。我们没人用到学位。房租都付不起，更别说还贷款了。
 
@RealTalkMom
I told my kids not to go to college unless they have a full ride or are going into STEM. Otherwise, it’s not worth the debt.
 
我告诉我孩子，除非拿全额奖学金或学理工科，否则别上大学。不然不值得负债。
 
@SaltTheEarth
College is just a business now. They don’t care about education, they care about tuition money. It’s a scam disguised as education.
 
大学现在就是门生意。他们不在乎教育质量，只在乎学费。这是一场披着教育外匹皮的骗局。