问中国人：整形手术在中国普遍吗？

Soju-Boss 
Meanwhile, Americans   

与此同时，美国人


destruct068
did you ask the AI to make a picture of diversity lMao?

你是不是让 AI 生成了一张多样性的图片啊，笑死？

Soju-Boss
Straight off the US Census gov website so whatever

直接从美国人口普查局官网上拿来的，所以随你怎么想。

But yeah probably

不过大概确实是这样的

Thewall3333
Have no idea what you are saying here

不知道你在说什么

Soju-Boss
Pretty obvious. Crafting your eyes around an "American" look is doomed to fail. Americans being quite a diverse bunch - almost as diverse as Chinese.

答案显而易见。将眼睛整容成“美国人”的样子是注定会失败的，美国人也是一个非常多样化的群体——几乎和中国人一样多样化。

Thewall3333
Ah, good point…I guess what I meant was “white” American beauty standards, like the media

啊，说得好……我的意思是"白人"的审美标准，就像媒体所展示的那样

Soju-Boss
Which is not to say, to my original point, Americans are a single ethnic type by any stretch of the imagination. Nor do I assume Chinese are a single ethnicity.

这并非要反驳我最初的论点，即美国人绝非单一族裔类型。我也不认为中国人是单一民族。

Weird how a lot of the reactive types in this sub downvoted this very reasonable assertion.

奇怪的是，这个小组里很多冲动型的人竟然给这个相当合理的说法点了踩。

ths108
Americans are considerably more diverse (especially phenotypically) than Chinese.

美国人的多样性（尤其是在表型上）远胜于中国人。

Thewall3333
I guess that was kind of coded for “white” beauty standards, like so many people across the spectrum of all races get procedures for — even white people!

我想这大概是为"白种人"审美标准编码的，就像许多不同种族背景的人为了追求它而进行整容手术一样——甚至白种人自己也是如此！

Top-Bus-3323
Facial plastic surgery in East Asia is just as common and usual as putting on makeup. It’s like a fashion trend, with each season, a new procedure/look becomes fashionable although it may look ridiculous in the past, such as getting protruding ears. They don’t want to look American, they have their own beauty standards different to Americans or Europeans in general, although double eyelids did come from European influence.

在东亚，面部整形手术就像化妆一样普遍寻常。它就像一种时尚潮流，每个季节都会有新的手术或造型流行起来，尽管在过去可能看起来有些可笑，比如招风耳手术。她们并非想要看起来像美国人，她们有着自己独特的审美标准，与美国人或欧洲人不同，尽管双眼皮手术确实受到了欧洲的影响。

MoronLaoShi 
Lots of nose jobs and double eyelid surgeries. It’s really hard to tell how common it is. My friend had double eyelid surgery and I couldn’t tell the difference.

很多人做了隆鼻和双眼皮手术。具体普及程度很难判断。我朋友做过双眼皮手术，但根本看不出痕迹。

XuanChun88
My husband swears many Japanese and Koreans have had nose jobs when, to me, they obviously have not. He seems to think all Asians have small noses like in southern China or Vietnam. That's not the case.

我丈夫坚称很多日本人和韩国人都隆过鼻，可在我看来他们明明没做过。他似乎认为所有亚洲人都像中国南方或越南人那样鼻子小巧。事实并非如此。

El_Bastardo_Grande
Dunno if this is a genuine question or a bad faith poisoning of the well question. But here goes:

这不知是真心提问还是故意在抹黑。但不管怎样，我的回答如下：

Even if 1 million Chinese people got plastic surgery that is less than 0.1% of the population, so the number of people who get it and freely admit to it can seem large but doesn't really represent much of the population.

即使有一百万中国人做过整容手术，那也不到总人口的千分之一。因此，虽然承认做过整容手术的人数看起来可能很多，但实际上并不代表人口的大多数。

10% or higher is classed as common, do you think there are 140 million Chinese people getting plastic surgery?

通常比例达到或超过百分之十才算普遍，你觉得中国可能有一亿四千万人做过整容手术吗？

Soju-Boss
Actually this sort of algorithm-driven confirmation bias is huge in socials, so +1 from me fwiw

实际上，这种由算法驱动的确认偏误在社交媒体上非常普遍，所以我完全同意这种观点。

* and non-ironically

* 而且毫不讽刺

NoGarage7989
We always preach about how everyone should be able to do whatever they want with their own bodies and that is true, but when a whole demographic gets the same type of cosmetic surgeries to look like a handful of people it becomes less of a self expression and more of a pressure to conform to certain beauty standards.

我们总在宣扬每个人都应该对自己的身体拥有自主权，这固然没错，但当整个群体都选择同类型整形手术去追求少数人的外貌模板时，这种行为就偏离了自我表达的初衷，更像是迫于某种审美标准的压力。

Bubbitsluv
A lot of Americans get plastic surgery too, I don’t think Chinese people get double eye lid to look more “American”, Chinese beauty standards are extremely high and it’s because they want to get rid of an insecurity. It’s super common in Korea too to the point it’s given as a graduation gift. Bigger eyes are considered cute and you can’t really tell if it’s unnatural.

很多美国人也做整形手术，我不认为中国人做双眼皮是为了看起来更像"美国人"，中国的审美标准极高，这更多是因为他们想消除某种不安全感。在韩国这种情况也非常普遍，以至于整形手术常被当作毕业礼物。大眼睛被认为是可爱的，而且你很难分辨出是否自然。

ths108
I encourage you to look into this topic more. This kind of surgery doesn't have anything to do with Americans in particular, but it has a lot to do with the west and (maybe unsurprisingly) Japan. For the most part, until the second half of the 20th century, no one thought anything about particularly round eyes (a la Fan Bing Bing, Angelababy, Dilraba) except them being associated with non-East Asian people.

我建议你多了解一下这个话题。这类手术与美国人本身没有特别关系，但与西方（或许并不令人意外地）还有日本有很大关联。在 20 世纪下半叶之前，大多数人并未特别关注特别圆的眼睛（比如范冰冰、Angelababy、迪丽热巴那样的眼睛），除了将它们与非东亚人联系起来。

Bubbitsluv
To be honest, I never personally associated double eyelids with the West. While Japan has certainly been influenced by the United States in some political and cultural ways, I don’t think the feature itself is inherently Western. Many Chinese people naturally have double eyelids without any cosmetic procedures, so I’ve always seen it more as a beauty preference than something strictly tied to Western influence.

老实说，我个人从未将双眼皮与西方联系在一起。虽然日本在某些政治和文化方面确实受到美国的影响，但我认为双眼皮这一特征本身并非西方独有。许多中国人天生就有双眼皮，完全无需整形手术，因此我一直认为这更多是一种审美偏好，而非严格意义上的西方影响。

Of course, one could argue that the preference may have Eurocentric roots, and that perspective is worth considering. At the same time, similar features exist naturally across many different populations without surgery. That’s why I find it interesting that discussions about beauty standards often default to the idea that people are trying to look “more Western,” when in reality the traits themselves aren’t exclusive to any single region or culture.

当然，有人可能会认为这种偏好可能源于欧洲中心主义，这种观点值得考虑。同时，类似的特征在许多不同人群中天然存在，无需手术。这就是为什么我觉得有趣的是，关于审美标准的讨论往往默认人们试图看起来"更像西方人"，而实际上这些特征本身并不专属于任何单一地区或文化。

ths108
When talking about beauty standards, we're referring to what society considers the most beautiful. To that end, China and, by extension Japan and Korea have literally thousands of years of history of valuing things like clear, very pale skin and high nose bridges, both of which Europeans have also valued in history, but round eyes were never valued in East Asia. That isn't to say they were perceived as 'ugly', but no one ever proclaimed them to be particularly 'beautiful'. This is in stark contrast to South Asia and places west of it that often praised women with large, round doe-like eyes in literature.

谈及审美标准，我们指的是社会所认定的最美之态。就此而言，中国乃至日本和韩国有着数千年崇尚白皙透亮肌肤与高挺鼻梁的历史，这两点在欧洲历史上也曾受推崇，但圆润的眼型在东亚从未被视作审美标准。这并非意指它们被视为“丑陋”，只是从未有人将其奉为特别的“美”。这与南亚及以西地区在文学作品中常赞美女性拥有大而圆润的鹿眼形成鲜明对比。

Due_Capital_3507
Unfortunately all too common. It's really bad in SK

不幸的是，整容已经变得非常普遍。这在韩国尤其严重。

MasterZii   大师紫
I would say that I used to be the type that would never have considered plastic surgery for any reason.

我过去曾是那种无论如何都不会考虑整形手术的人。

But given how acessibile it is and how amazing some of the results are, I've caved and had a ton of work done. You'd never be able to tell, which is the incredible part.

但现在手术变得如此触手可及，且部分效果令人惊艳，我最终妥协并接受了大量改造。最不可思议的是，你根本看不出任何痕迹。

So, yes. More prent than most people would believe

所以，是的。整形手术的普及程度远超大多数人的想象

Edit: just want to clarify this "trend" is NOT exclusive to China/asia at all anymore

编辑：需要说明的是，这种"趋势"早已不再是中国/亚洲独有的现象

NoEquivalentFound
Out of curiosity, if you can't tell then what's the point? Isn't the whole point of plastic surgery to look better?

出于好奇，如果看不出来，那还有什么意义呢？整容的目的不就是为了看起来更好看吗？

Ralle_Rula
What I don't know is why they operate everything except for their tiny boobs?

我不明白的是，为什么她们除了小胸什么都动过？

catyesu
the double eyelid obsession is its own sort of aesthetic value in East Asia. it's much more likely that non-diaspora would undergo that surgery than people in the diaspora, so it's not really about fitting into America like you're suggesting. notably, all the Chinese Americans who undergo the process will likely follow East Asian aesthetic trends. the very Americanized women (be it following Asian American subcultures, like ABG, or other kinds of American aesthetic culture like the Asian girls in majority white sororities who always have that weird brown/blond bayalage hair) don't typically opt into it.

双眼皮情结在东亚地区自有其独特的审美价值。非海外华人远比海外华人更可能接受此类手术，因此这并非如你所言是为了融入美国社会。值得注意的是，所有接受此手术的华裔美国人很可能都在追随东亚的审美潮流。那些高度美国化的女性（无论是追随亚裔美国人亚文化，如 ABG，还是其他类型的美国审美文化，比如那些总是染着奇怪棕色/金色挑染发色的、以白人为主的姐妹会中的亚洲女孩）通常不会选择做这种手术。

the "wanting to be white" thing is a bit of a doozy; like yes many of the "ideal" aesthetic features are associated with a type of whiteness (defined eyelids, high nose bridge, pale skin) but it doesn't necessarily mean that they want to be white .... they want to be a pretty Chinese person, in which the beauty standard is heavily influenced by whiteness.

关于"想变白"的说法有些牵强；诚然，许多"理想"的审美特征确实与某种白种人特征相关联（明显的双眼皮、高鼻梁、白皙皮肤），但这并不一定意味着他们想变成白种人......他们是想成为一个漂亮的中国面孔，而这种审美标准深受白人特征的影响。

in terms of aesthetic procedure comparisons, I'd liken eyelid surgery in East Asia to braces in the USA. Both of them have the claim of health/medical benefit (blepharoplasty is a treatment for ptosis, which most people with monolids/hooded eyes have to varying degrees of severity --- for many it doesn't bother them, for others their eyelids droop so much it impacts their visibility and/or the eyelashes poke their eyeballs) while actually being for aesthetic reasons. they're both very normalized as a rite of passage for young folks. as an American (I'm American too), you're probably very desensitized to the severity of orthodontics in a way that you're not to eyelid surgery. in reality, ortho is actually very intensive and expensive -- think about it this way: a parent throws down 5-8k USD for their kids to get teeth yanked out and the metal fused to their teeth to get manually adjusted monthly for 1-3 years so that their crooked teeth look straight. compare that to a one time eyelid procedure that takes maybe 1-3 hours (depending on what kind of bleph) that costs 2k USD (less, if performed in the mainland and calculated by CNY). The latter is actually much less invasive, but is demonized as some kind of extreme PS because it hasn't been normalized the same way to us that ortho has.

从美容手术的对比角度来看，我会把东亚的眼睑手术比作美国的牙齿矫正。两者都声称具有健康或医疗益处（眼睑成形术是治疗上睑下垂的方法，许多单眼皮或内双的人在不同程度上都有这个问题——对很多人来说这并不困扰，但对另一些人来说，眼皮下垂得厉害影响了视线，或眼睫毛刺到眼球），而实际上主要是为了美观。它们都被年轻人普遍接受为成年礼的一部分。作为美国人（我也是美国人），你可能已经对牙齿矫正的严重性变得麻木不仁，不像对眼睑手术那样敏感。实际上，牙齿矫正非常耗时且昂贵——想想看：父母花费 5000 到 8000 美元，让孩子的牙齿被拔掉，金属牙套粘在牙齿上，每个月手动调整，持续一到三年，只为了让歪斜的牙齿看起来整齐。相比之下，眼睑手术只需一次，可能花 1 到 3 小时（取决于哪种眼睑成形术），费用大约 2000 美元（如果在中国大陆进行并按人民币计算，费用更低）。 后者实际上侵入性要小得多，却因为不像正畸那样被我们普遍接受，而被妖魔化为某种极端的整形手术。

When I make this comparison, Americans are often defensive about the medical value of ortho and claim it isn't fair, but really ortho's medical claims have always been questionable in terms of whether it's really such a benefit that most kids should do it (obviously there are many medically serious situations in which it's necessary) when 1) most kids teeth end up shifting back anyway because they don't wear their retainers and 2) notably this practice is only so heavy handed in the US and a few other Western countries. The true value of ortho for most people is in the aesthetic of straight teeth, similar to how the value of bleph is the aesthetic of the double eyelid.

当我进行这种比较时，美国人常常对正畸的医疗价值持防御态度，声称这不公平。但事实上，正畸的医疗价值一直备受质疑——它是否真的对大多数孩子有如此大的益处？毕竟，1）大多数孩子的牙齿最终还是会移位，因为他们不佩戴保持器；2）值得注意的是，这种治疗方式仅在美国和其他少数西方国家如此普遍。对大多数人来说，正畸的真正价值在于美观，即拥有整齐的牙齿，这与双眼皮手术的价值在于美观（即拥有双眼皮）类似。

XuanChun88
Obviously, this is my own personal opinion, but it saddens a bit when I notice Asians who got eyelid surgery. I tend to be naive, so it is my husband who can tell right away. It's happening everywhere. It's the one luxury that many Asians get for themselves. I'm not at all sure that this is a trend that will always continue in future generations. But who knows? Maybe things will get worse.

显然，这只是我的个人看法，但当我注意到亚洲人接受了双眼皮手术时，心里多少有些难过。我比较天真，所以我丈夫总能一眼分辨出来。这种情况无处不在。这是许多亚洲人为自己购买的一种奢侈。我不太确定这个趋势是否会在未来几代人中一直持续下去。但谁又知道呢？也许情况会变得更糟。

Thewall3333
Yes — 4 girls in my East Asian Studies small group (who I know about…out of ~15 girls) have shared about their surgeries. It came up in discussion. I am one of only 3 guys in the group, and one of two non-Asians (one other girl and me).

是的——在我的东亚研究小组里（我知道的大约 15 名女生中），有 4 个女生提到过自己的手术经历。是在讨论中聊起的。我们小组只有 3 个男生，其中只有两个不是亚洲人（另一个女生和我）。

I would say 2 of the girls look very good and natural — not sure what they looked like before, but they are beautiful…

我得说，其中两个女生看起来非常漂亮自然——不知道她们以前长什么样，但现在她们很美……

However…two have an “uncanny valley” type of thing going on. It’s like their eyes no longer fit their face — they are way too wide. I knew something was off before they shared.

然而……其中两位的脸显得特别违和。感觉就像她们的眼睛不再和脸部相配——双眼间距实在太宽了。在她们坦白之前，我就察觉有些不对劲了。

Don’t get me wrong, they are still pretty…but I can’t imagine how beautiful they’d be naturally — or if their surgeon did a better job. A lot of other girls in the class are very beautiful, I believe without surgery, and I hope they do t decide to get work that goes too far…

别误会，她们依然漂亮……但我难以想象她们天生的容貌该有多美——或者如果整形医生技术更精湛的话会怎样。班上还有很多女生非常美丽，我相信她们并没有动过刀，希望她们不会决定去做太过火的整形……

My guess is some girls are much better candidates than others for this…but doctors probably don’t say no even if they’re not. If they do, the girls will find a doctor who will.

我猜有些女生比其他女生更适合做这类手术……但即使不适合，医生可能也不会拒绝。就算他们拒绝了，这些女生也总会找到愿意动刀的医生。

Accomplished-Team459
I swear the most annoying thing about post like this is that they always assume people want to become American/white simply because of the somewhat similar beauty standard. The next one will be condemning people trying to lighten their skin.

说实话，这类帖子最令人厌烦的一点，就是它们总是假设人们因为审美标准略有相似，就是想变成美国人或白人。下一个话题八成又要开始谴责那些试图美白皮肤的人了。

plastic surgery has become more common as it become cheaper. Is it widely done? Not that common if you see the overall %. But it'll definitely increase as the income level improve.

随着整形手术价格变得更加亲民，其普及程度也在提升。它是否已成为普遍现象？若从整体百分比来看，其实并不算普遍。但随着收入水平的提高，这一趋势必定会持续增长。