'污水危机'冲击美国海军杰拉尔德·福特号航空母舰

Yummyyummyfoodz
So, here's a fun story I heard from someone who is indirectly involved: the design may be undersized, but a huge portion of the problem is the fact that most sailors are college-aged kids who throw stuff they're not supposed to down the toilet. I can't find the exact article now, but apparently, Mop heads were explicitly cited as one of the issues that the designers didn't intend to be flushable (lol).

根据一个间接知情者的说法，这件事挺有意思：设计容量可能确实不足，但问题的关键很大程度上在于，大多数水手都是大学年龄的年轻人，他们会把不该冲掉的东西扔进马桶。我现在找不到那篇具体的文章了，但据说拖把头是其中明确指出设计时没考虑可冲走的东西之一（笑）。

LagAmplifier
Only thing it’s designed to flush is toilet paper. And it has to be specific toilet paper, basically cheap one ply, to not clog the system. Anything else will clog it. I’ve worked on these systems for years, they are very reliable when people listen. 

唯一设计用于冲走的是厕纸。而且必须是特定的厕纸，基本上是廉价单层的那种，才能避免堵塞系统。其他任何东西都会导致堵塞。我从事这些系统的工作已有多年，只要人们听从指示，它们是非常可靠的。

Fit_Employment_2944
If you are designing an aircraft carrier with thousands of soldiers you should probably design the toilets to survive a (literal) bomb going off

如果你在设计一艘能容纳数千名士兵的航空母舰，那么你应该设计出能经受住（字面意义上的）炸弹爆炸的厕所

UpperAd5715
Or these people that are trusted with shooting guns on orders should listen to the "dont flush your undies" order as well when firing their big gun...

或者说这些奉命射击武器的人，在操作大型火炮时也应该听从"别往里面冲内衣"的指示...

KoffieMastah
Problem is that thats easier said than done, requiring it to me more sturdy will make it larger, which means less space for other stuff, or making the ship larger. Were running into this problem with the new Dutch ASW frigates where making furniture shock resistant makes it bigger, which means they had to design the ship 10 meters longer

问题在于说得容易做起来难。要求设备更坚固就会让它体积更大，这意味着其他设备的空间会减少，或者需要把军舰设计得更大。荷兰新型反潜护卫舰就遇到了这个问题：让家具具备抗冲击性会导致体积增大，最终不得不把船体设计加长了 10 米。

Visual-Audio  
As a plumber I can't imagine even the most perfect ideal crew making this system work. A pressurized DWV setup with 4600 people meant to operate for months at a time without being in port was always doomed to this outcome and the people who predicted it in 2011 were entirely correct. 

作为一名水管工，我无法想象即便是最理想、最完美的船员团队能让这套系统正常运转。一套为 4600 人设计的增压排水、排污和通风系统，本应能在数月不进港的情况下持续运作，却从一开始就注定了这样的结局，2011 年那些预言此事的人完全正确。

The acid wash makeshift solution was always just kicking the can down the road on an absolutely predictable and inevitable shit show. The crew could have never shit once and never flushed anything down there and it still would have broken

酸洗这种临时解决方案，不过是在拖延一个绝对可预见、不可避免的混乱局面。即便船员们从不使用厕所，也从不冲下任何东西，这套系统仍然会崩溃。

Active_Ad_7276
College age was a long time ago for me but we would never even think of flushing a fucking mop head. Or of eating a tide pod but here we are I guess.

大学时代对我来说已是久远往事，但我们绝不会想到把拖把头冲进马桶。就像绝不会想到吃洗衣凝珠一样，但看来如今世道已变。

FutureThrowaway9665
Also college aged a long time ago but I remember being in the Navy at that age and having to write DO NOT EAT on the urinal cakes.

我的大学时代同样遥远，但我记得在那个年纪加入海军时，还不得不在小便池芳香块上标注“请勿食用”。

People are not any smarter or dumber. We have always liked putting things in orifices that shouldn't be there.

人们从未变得更聪明或更愚笨。我们向来喜欢把不该放的东西塞进洞里。

davekva
10 years ago I was in Norfolk to welcome my niece home from a lengthy deployment on the USS Bush. There were hundreds of people there to greet sailors, so it took a long time to exit the pier where the ship docked. As we slowly shuffled along, I overheard many sailors describing life on the ship to their family members. Pretty much all of them were complaining about living conditions and expressed relief to be off the ship. My niece said pretty much all of the toilets had stopped flushing a week before, and that they had been "pooping on other people's poop" for several days.

十年前，我曾前往诺福克迎接我的侄女从布什号航空母舰上的一次漫长部署归来。当时有数百人迎接水手，因此从军舰停靠的码头出来花了很长时间。随着我们缓慢前行，我无意中听到许多水兵向家人描述船上的生活。几乎所有人都在抱怨生活条件，并为离开船感到宽慰。我的侄女说，大概一周前，几乎所有厕所都停止冲水了，他们不得不在"别人的粪便上排便"好几天。

AndyTheEngr
So like a music festival?

所以就像音乐节那样吗？

capndiln
Id guess fewer drugs and less air movement though.

我猜那里的药和流动的空气（屁？）比较少。

GilgameDistance 
I don’t like this sentence at all.

我一点也不喜欢这句话。

Zerot7
Or construction site. I remember once opening the door and seeing Mount Poomore protruding above the seat and literally shit on the floor so I decided to stand outside and just piss in the general direction of the toilet.

或者是工地。记得有一次我打开门，看到马桶座上堆起了一座"便便山"，地上也到处都是粪便，于是决定站在门外随便朝厕所方向撒尿了事。

jackrabbit323 
You know, ye olde time sailors used to poop over the side of the rail, into the ocean.

要知道，旧时代的水手们常常在船舷边直接往海里方便。

Dimathiel49
On the poop deck?

在艉楼甲板上？

SausageGobbler69 
I deployed on the first and second deployment on the Bush. I cannot explain to you how bad the VCHT system was. The amount of shit lasagna I helped create is astounding. Also, on the first deployment I was an E3. Being lowman in the totem pole I had to clean feces off of the ceiling multiple times when they reversed the vacuum system to clear clogs. Fun times.

我在布什号航母上参加了首次和第二次部署。那套真空卫生系统的糟糕程度简直难以形容。我参与制造的"大便千层面"数量多得惊人。而且第一次部署时我还只是 E3 级别士兵。作为部队底层人员，当真空系统反转清理堵塞时，我不得不多次清理天花板上的粪便。真是段"美好"时光。

davekva
That sounds horrific. "Join the Navy and see the world!" Sounds like you definitely saw some shit, hopefully you saw some of the world, too.

这听起来太可怕了。"加入海军，看遍世界！"听起来你确实见识了些"特别的东西"，希望你也看到了真正的世界风光。

Commercial-Expert863
I was on that deployment. We called it shit lasagna because there usually was a courtesy layer of toilet paper one would put over. Being on that deployment I can confirm someone is getting fucked up by their chain of command for posting about in-house problems 

我当时就在那次部署任务上。我们称之为"大便千层面"，因为通常人们会在上面铺一层纸巾作为礼遇。以我当时在那次部署中的亲身经历，可以肯定地说，会有人因为发布内部问题而受到上级指挥链的严厉惩处。

Anyways a lot of this has to do with salt vs freshwater systems in ships and is pretty par for course since people won’t ever stop flushing dumb things down the toilets

无论如何，这很大程度上与船舶的盐水系统与淡水系统的区别有关，而且这种情况屡见不鲜，因为总有人会往马桶里乱扔东西。

Replace_my_sandwich 
Served on several ships from several nations, and all of them had toilet failures at one point or another

曾在多个国家的几艘军舰上服役，每艘都经历过不同程度的厕所故障问题

Knotical_MK6  
Spent my one day in Yokohama last year running around the house/engine room fixing the vacuum sewage system.

去年我在横滨度过的一天，全是在房子和机房里跑来跑去修理真空排污系统。

I had the whole day planned and everything. But shitters gotta flush.

我原本计划好了一整天要做的事情。但卫生间总得能冲水啊。

JAT_Cbus1080
It's a boat. Poop off the side.

这是艘船。大便直接排海里就行。

I'm only mostly kidding. I know it's not feasible to tell 200 people to shit off the side of a big ass aircraft carrier. You know more than one of those idiots would fall off.

我这话多半是开玩笑。我知道让 200 人从一艘庞大的航空母舰侧边解决个人问题不现实，肯定会有傻瓜掉下去。

Knotical_MK6  
Hah, believe it or not I've seen some "hanging" toilets set up like that for stevedores in less developed ports.

哈哈，信不信由你，我在一些不太发达的港口见过为码头工人搭建的这种"悬空式"厕所。

Generally people don't appreciate turning their bays into sewage dumps though

不过，大多数人都不愿意把海湾变成污水倾倒地

seeasea
Oil rigs have them

石油钻井平台就有这种厕所

AndyGlimmung  
You can't close to shore. I can't remember the distance but you have to be a certain number of miles off shore to dump black water.

不能靠近岸边。我已记不清具体距离，但倾泻黑水必须距离岸边至少数英里。

CoolJetta3
Old black water keep on rollin

陈旧的黑水继续滚滚流淌

HJSkullmonkey
(USS) Mississippi moon, won't you keep on shitting at sea

（美利坚舰艇）密西西比之月，你可愿永驻这片污海

SufficientMorale 
You mean 4500-5000? I think the CVN-78 houses are few more than 200.

你是说 4500-5000 人吗？我觉得福特号上的住舱应该远不止 200 间。

That's a lot of full moons and hot chow.

这得积累不少满月时光和热餐时刻呢。

sekketh
I think the Gerald R Ford class has a maximum crew compliment of more than 4,000 people. That’s a lot of hanging asses.

我认为杰拉尔德·R·福特级航母最大载员人数超过 4000 人，这意味着很多人在排队等撤硕。

Nightmare601
2,600 according to the wiki 700 less than the Nimitz-class.

维基百科显示是 2600 人，比尼米兹级少 700 人。

sekketh  
Wikipedia has it listed as 3,789 enlisted and 508 officers.

据维基百科记载，舰上载有 3,789 名士兵和 508 名军官。

Nightmare601  
Apparently, crew and Complement are two different things. Sorry about that. You are correct.

显然，船员与乘员编制是两码事。抱歉，是我搞错了。你说得对。

Icy-person666
They call it a poop deck for a reason...

他们称其为poop deck（字面意思：粑粑甲板）是有原因的……

ThePensiveE  
Have you no class?!? It's the shitting lounge.

你有没有点格调？！？这叫如厕休息室。

DirtyRoller
My old roommate told me a story of when he had to repair a shit pipe that was spraying everywhere. He said he stripped naked cause he didn't want shit all over his clothes and put on a scuba mask. The rest of his crew paid for all of his drinks on their next shore leave.

我以前的室友曾告诉我一个故事，那时他不得不修理一根四处喷溅的粪便管道。他说他脱光了衣服，因为不想让粪便弄脏他的衣物，并戴上了潜水镜。在他接下来的岸上休假中，他所有的饮料都是船上其他船员的买单。

BullShitting-24-7
Ships aren’t build to handle the bombs from within.

舰船本就不是为了应对内部爆炸而设计的。

Old_Ladies 
Never served but have heard some pretty nasty stories about shit on ships and subs.

虽未服役，但关于舰船和潜艇上的卫生状况听过不少骇人听闻的故事。

One was on a submarine there was noise coming from the toilet and a sailor looked and shit prayed with force to the ceiling. The doctor had to remove shit from behind the eyelids and from his nostrils.

其中一则发生在潜艇上：有船员听到马桶传来异响，查看时被强力喷射的粪便溅满天花板。军医不得不从他的眼皮里和鼻孔里清理秽物。

So the lesson learned is if you hear a weird sound in the bathroom don't peak into where the sound is coming from.

因此得出的教训是，如果在卫生间听到奇怪的声音，千万不要去探究声音是从哪里传来的。

Overlord_Of_Puns
While that may be true in your situation, this issue seems to be different.

虽然在你的情况下可能是这样，但这个问题似乎有所不同。

When building the ship, they just took the amount of people that would be on board, multiplied it by how much the average person dumps, and then divided it by time to calculate the average load of the system.

在建船时，他们只是简单地将船上的预计人数乘以每人平均的排放量，再除以时间来计算系统的平均负荷。

The ongoing lifetime costs have increased by $40 billion in part for reasons like this according to Bloomberg, and they can need repairs costing $400k 8 times a day according to Navy Times, and requiring external assistance dozens of times.

据彭博社报道，这艘航母的整个寿命周期的成本已经增加了 400 亿美元，部分原因就是这类问题。而根据《海军时报》报道，它每天可能需要 8 次维修，每次花费 40 万美元，而且还需要数十次外部协助。

chicletgrin 
Greenland should send a sewage boat to help

格陵兰岛应该派一艘排污船前来支援

Bryllant 
But the DOW is over 50,000

但道琼斯指数已突破 5 万点

LaVernWinston  
I’m not sure if there’s a single deployment that doesn’t go through a sewage system crisis of some kind, shipboard systems are notoriously terrible. My RDC going through boot camp was an HT and he was the saltiest, most pissed off person I’ve ever met in my life, like beyond RDC levels of pissed off, because his entire career was just fixing these shitty systems.

我怀疑没有哪次军舰部署能避开某种程度的污水处理危机，船载系统的糟糕是出了名的。我在新兵训练营时的连队教官曾是管道工，他是我这辈子见过最暴躁、最愤怒的人——那种愤怒程度甚至超越了教官应有的级别，因为他的整个职业生涯都在修理这些糟糕透顶的系统。

HuskerBusker 
What do those initialisms stand for?

这些缩写代表什么意思？

ParabolicHyperbole
HT = Hull Technician. It’s a Navy rate, they’re essentially the plumbers on a ship.

HT = 船体技术员。这是海军的一个军衔，他们本质上就是船上的管道工。

Anyone who has spent time on a Navy ship knows that this is a common occurrence. On my last deployment the septic system failed and we had to shit in buckets on the flight deck for 3 months. The ship’s leadership threatened Captain’s Mast for anyone who decided they wanted to complain to an external entity about it.

任何在海军舰艇上待过的人都知道这种情况很常见。在我上一次部署期间，排污系统失灵了，我们不得不在飞行甲板上用桶解决内急问题，持续了三个月。舰上的领导层威胁说，任何人如果决定向外部机构投诉此事，就要面临船长军事法庭的审判。

hbh110
RDC — recruit division commander. Navy term for drill Sargent.

RDC —— 新兵训练队指挥官。海军术语，指训练教官。

HT — hull technician. A navy rating specializing in welding, metalwork, repairs, and damage control. Also famously are the shipboard plumbers.

HT —— 船体技术兵。一种海军专业等级，专精焊接、金属加工、维修和损害管制。亦是舰上著名的管道工。

subsailor1968
A vacuum based sewage system to conserve water?

一个基于真空的污水处理系统，目的竟然是为了节约用水？

Sounds just plain stupid.

这听起来简直荒谬。

I served on Navy submarines. We flushed with…seawater. Extremely plentiful, we were quite literally surrounded by it.

我曾在海军潜艇上服役。我们冲厕所用的...是海水。这东西简直取之不尽，我们确实被它包围着。

It doesn’t need to be a complicated system. It was gravity drained, all was seawater flushed, and the collection tanks were later pumped overboard (or to a shore facility when in port).

这不需要复杂的系统。原本是靠重力排放的，所有污水都用海水冲刷，然后收集箱会被泵出船外（或在港口时泵至岸上设施）。

A carrier would probably need some pumping for lower deck toilets (all our toilets were above the collection tanks, but that may not be true of a carrier), but a complicated vacuum system is a maintenance nightmare.

航母可能需要一些泵来抽运下层甲板的厕所（我们所有的厕所都在收集箱上方，但航母可能不是这样），而复杂的真空系统简直是维修噩梦。

Zrkkr  
Salt water is also maintenance nightmare, just one we're used to.

海水同样是维护工作的噩梦，只是我们已经习以为常。

capndiln
Maybe they got a deal on the system since most big cruise ships use a vacuum system? Like, there are tons of cruise ships so someone has certainly developed a "cheaper lighter better faster" vacuum toilet system to be the lowest bidder.

也许是他们采购的系统价格划算，因为大多数大型游轮都使用真空系统？毕竟游轮数量众多，肯定有人研发出了“更便宜、更轻便、更优越、更快速”的真空马桶系统，以成为最低报价者。

Every cruise ive been on there are numerous warnings about how sensitive it is, and even then there is always some out of order section of the ship.

我乘坐过的每艘游轮都有许多关于其系统多么敏感的警告，即便如此，船上总有一部分区域无法正常使用。

subsailor1968
A “sensitive” toilet system on a Navy warship would be a disaster.

海军战舰上安装一套“敏感”的马桶系统将会是一场灾难。

Combat ship systems need to be simple, reliable, resistant to damage and malfunction, and very robust.

战船系统必须结构简单、运行可靠，能抵御损伤和故障，且极为耐用。

As a famous engineer once said, "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain".

正如一位著名工程师曾言："过度设计管道，只会让排水更易堵塞。"

derkokolores
My very first assignment at a shipyard was to investigate an issue with galley sinks clogging too frequently for the culinary specialists to keep up with. Went down to the yard to check the as-is drainage vs the drawings and for the life of me could not find the solids interceptor (strainer). I started asking some of the tradies working in the galley and learned that they had heard some of the complaints come back from the crews and decided to just stop installing the interceptor rather than wait for a response from engineering...

我在船厂接到的第一项任务，是调查厨房水槽频繁堵塞的问题——频繁到连厨师都应付不过来。我下到船厂对比实际排水系统与设计图纸，却死活找不到固体拦截器（过滤网）。询问厨房工作人员后才得知，他们听到船员反馈后，不等工程部回应就自作主张停止安装拦截器了……

It ended up being an incredibly easy problem to resolve once we realized the drawings just specified the wrong model number which meant a hair & lint interceptor being installed rather than one meant for food...

当我们意识到图纸上指定的型号有误，实际安装的是毛发和棉绒截留器而非食物截留器后，这个问题最终变得极其容易解决。

One of my last issues I dealt with on sea trials was a line shaft bearing getting hotter after the lube oil cooling turned on. Turned out a three way valve (with a big directional arrow on it) was installed backwards.

海试期间我处理的最后一项故障是，润滑油冷却系统启动后，某传动轴轴承温度异常升高。最终发现，一个带有大型方向箭头的三通阀被装反了。

Anyways, just wanted to say that the problems are typically a lot dumber than "attempting to use cutting-edge commercial technologies" and they also start way before the "maybe not brightest sailor."

总之，我想说的是，这类问题通常远比“尝试使用尖端商业技术”要简单得多，而且往往在“可能并非最聪明的水手”接手之前就已埋下隐患。

I wouldn't be surprised if this poop cruise was caused by some dumb engineering/manufacturing spat or more likely some a change order from SUPSHIP that no one could say no to.

如果这场"便便危机"是由于某个愚蠢的工程/制造争执引起的，或者更可能的情况是，某个来自舰船监督部门的变更命令无人敢违抗，我一点都不会感到意外。

81_BLUNTS_A_DAY 
Poop Cruise 2: Electric Boogaloo

《厕所危机 2：电子扭扭舞》

EzBreezy651
This is actually a great metaphor

这真是个绝妙的比喻

FerrisBuellerDude
There’s a sewage problem in the White House too.

白宫也存在排污问题。

hc37_126
…isn’t this a years old issue with the gerald r ford?? there were reports back from 2020 when they realized that the pipes were too narrow

这不是“杰拉尔德·R·福特号”几年前就出现的问题吗？早在 2020 年就有报告称发现其管道太细。

Distinct_External784
Has anyone tried to blame this on allowing women to serve?

有人试图把这件事归咎于允许女性服役吗？

Sometimes_I_Do_That 
As Smithers on The Simpsons once said, "Women and seamen don't mix" (funny on so many levels)

就像《辛普森一家》里的史密瑟斯曾说的那样：“女人和水手混不到一块儿”（这话在多个层面上都挺有意思的）

AForse 
A system adapted from cruise ships to save water? It’s not like they are sitting on top of a huge ocean full of it, and pretty much unlimited energy for desalination…

一个借鉴游轮系统以节约用水的方法？他们又不是坐在满是海水的大洋之上，并且几乎拥有无限的能源淡化海水……

imgotugoin
This type of stuff happens all the time. Nothing new.

这类事情一直发生，没什么新鲜的。

left-of-the-jokers 
If I had a nickel for every flooding call on my ship that was just backed up shitters, I'd have about a dollar or so, but that's plenty... usually caused by someone flushing their dirty undies

如果每次船上因马桶堵塞引发的洪水警报我都能得到五分钱，那我大概能赚个一块钱左右，但这已经够多了...通常都是因为有人把脏裤衩冲下去了。