中国顶尖大学正在向外国学生开放。这对美国学校来说是个大问题

@andrewjackson652
35 years ago I taught industrial management in xianyang at the Northwest School of Light Industry. The school is no longer there. The terracotta soldiers were in an open field. The whole school had two cars and one telephone. Fellow teachers and their families lived in a single room dormitory. My two and a half day train trip to Urumqi was  on a hard seat and we slept on the floor. The train engines were  first electric, then a marvelous steam locomotive and across the desert by diesel-electric. The people were friendly, very curious, and the students studied very hard. I am absolutely astounded by the China you are showing me now.
 
35年前，我在西安的西北轻工业学校教授工业管理。现在这所学校已经不存在了。兵马俑当时是在一片空旷的田野里。整个学校只有两辆车和一部电话。老师和他们的家属住在一个单间宿舍里。我到乌鲁木齐的两天半火车旅行是坐着硬座，晚上则睡在地板上。火车的发动机最初是电力驱动，然后是一台很棒的蒸汽机车，穿越沙漠时则是柴油电力机车。人们很友好，对一切充满好奇，学生们也学习非常努力。我对你现在展示的中国感到绝对震惊。
 
@DFT-v2
Study at much better schools, with far better resources, far better prospects and overwhelmingly superior contacts and connections. All of that for the price of a month and 4 days at the old competitor. Yeah, we see where this is going, including me. China makes me getting a master's overseas actually feasible rather than a pipe dream I'd leave to my grand-grandsons.
China broke the US primacy in banking, in treasury bonds, artificial intelligence, chip making, military projects, logistics, and now they're aiming for education. The dragon has no tolerance left for the overgrown seagull.
 
在更好的学校学习，享受更优秀的资源、更加广阔的前景和压倒性优越的人脉关系。这一切的花费仅相当于旧竞争对手一个月四天的费用。是的，我们看得出来，包括我自己。中国让我在海外获得硕士学位变得可行，而不是一个我只能留给曾曾孙的梦想。中国打破了美国在银行、国债、人工智能、芯片制造、军事项目、物流等领域的主导地位，现在他们的目标是教育。巨龙对过度膨胀的海鸥已经没有耐心了。
 
@netpalsg1
As China's trade influence expands, Chinese universities will become more and more attractive to key trade and strategic partners. To students, most are more concern about how well recognized the university certificates are. So long as the certificates are recognized in their home country, China's international program (English curriculum available) would be attractive for them.
 
随着中国贸易影响力的扩大，中国大学将变得越来越吸引关键的贸易和战略合作伙伴。对于学生而言，他们最关心的是大学证书的认可度。只要这些证书在他们的母国被认可，中国的国际项目（提供英语课程）就会对他们具有吸引力。
 
@HenryJMah
Just like China to want to export deflation in higher learning to the world, as well as export that learning to the world as well.
 
正如中国希望将高等教育的通货紧缩出口到世界一样，同时也希望将这种学习传播到世界。
 
@minchen5187
Chinese new year in few days mate. Here in Australia, no recognition since the 80s which I was here. Most important thing is our new year and no disruptions from the government
 
几天后就是中国新年了，伙计。在澳大利亚，自80年代我来到这里以来，没有得到任何认可。最重要的事情是我们的新年，不希望政府有任何干扰。
 
@stanbimi
Many top Chinese universities have English speaking classes. Nevertheless for any foreign student going to China, they must learn Chinese, which some might consider a tall hurdle. But if one is qualified to study STEM in China, learning Chinese should not be a problem at all. Millions of Chinese kids have no problem learning Chinese either.
 
许多顶尖中国大学开设有英语授课的课程。不过，对于任何去中国的外国学生来说，他们必须学习中文，这可能被一些人视为一项高难度挑战。但如果能够在中国学习STEM，学习中文根本就不是问题。数百万中国孩子学习中文也没有任何问题。
 
@briannewman6216
The US education scam is in trouble. If the US Federal government is forced to cut back spending then interesting things could happen to the highly subsidied education sector.
 
美国教育骗局正面临困境。如果美国联邦政府被迫削减开支，那么高度补贴的教育部门可能会发生有趣的事情。
 
@frankblangeard8865
A few Chinese Universities do have programs taught in English for foreign students. Most Chinese universities teach in Mandarin. And if you want to work in China then Mandarin is the default language.
 
一些中国大学确实为外国学生提供英语授课的项目。但大多数中国大学使用普通话授课。如果你想在中国工作，普通话是默认语言。
 
@jimpad5608
One of the best, most talented engineers I ever worked with got her degrees from Taiwan Technical University. This was over 20 years ago and I am sure the situation is even more lopsided now. When I retired from high technology i was heavily recruited to teach in China, in English. Due to a family situation I had to decline the offers. When  I graduated from engineering university my school was in the top ten, now it is in the top 150. It didn't get worse, the rest of the earth got much better.
 
我曾经合作过的一位最优秀、最有才华的工程师是从台湾（地区）科技大学毕业的。这是20多年前的事，我相信现在的情况更加不成比例。当我从高科技行业退休时，我受到重邀去中国用英语教学。由于家庭原因，我不得不拒绝这些邀请。毕业时我所在的工程大学排名前十，现在则排在前150名之内。这并不是变差，而是其他地方变得更好了。
 
@bertanelson8062
It has been noted for the last decade that universities in USA ARE NOT KEEping UP WITH LATEST SCIENTIFIC DATA. Profs refuse to teach any differently than the course material they've proffered for years. This system needs to be ignored & allowed to collapse.
 
在过去十年中，人们注意到美国的大学没有跟上最新的科学数据。教授们拒绝以任何不同于他们多年来提供的课程材料来授课。这个系统需要被忽视并允许其崩溃。
 
@jstasiak2262
I began my undergraduate studies at the University of Chicago 50 years ago. Tuition at that time was $3,210.00 per year. Adjusted for inflation, that would be $19,050.00 per year in 2025 dollars.
Current undergraduate tuition at that school is $71,325.00 per year. In other words, tuition at the University of Chicago has gone up by 3.75 times the rate of inflation. Do you think that is a problem? I certainly do.
 
我在50年前开始了在芝加哥大学的本科学习。那时的学费是每年3,210.00美元。按通货膨胀调整后，到2025年相当于每年19,050.00美元。该校当前的本科生学费是每年71,325.00美元。换句话说，芝加哥大学的学费上涨速度是通货膨胀率的3.75倍。你认为这是个问题吗？我当然认为是。
 
@Antiwar-Resist-now
U.S top education institutions have become nothing but brand names and reserved for the elites to network. If you want to learn something real go to a Chinese university.
 
美国顶尖教育机构已经变成了品牌名称，只为精英们提供网络交流的机会。如果你想学到真正的东西，就去中国大学。
 
@Chinesecrested9528
I retired and moved from the US to Thailand. I "WAS" going to send my son to the usa for his masters in engineering/computer science degree. No longer. He wants to go to China for hos masters and possibly his doctors.
 
我退休后从美国搬到了泰国。我“曾经”打算把我的儿子送到美国攻读工程/计算机科学硕士学位。但现在不打算了。他想去中国攻读硕士，甚至可能是博士学位。
 
@dieBanalitätdesBösen
The U.S. is gonna get bled pale until it behaves. Same for Europe. No alternatives given.
 
如果美国不改变，它将被榨干得毫无血色。欧洲也是一样。没有替代方案。
 
@kamyuen1478
And this is why all my children are learning Mandarin and doing hard sciences. I have already told them that their future is in China or Asia and not in Europe or the West.
 
这就是为什么我所有的孩子都在学习普通话和攻读理科。我已经告诉他们，他们的未来在中国或亚洲，而不是在欧洲或西方。
 
@TotoNut
but in China, you don't get to mix with leaders like epstein, bill clinton, orange liar trump, etc.
 
但在中国，你无法与像爱泼斯坦、比尔·克林顿、橙色骗子特朗普等领导人交往。
 
@iWantPeace838
Education for foreign students is a kind of soft power. China is catching up in this aspect.
 
对外国学生的教育是一种软实力。中国在这方面正在赶上。
 
@justjacqueline2004
Engineering degree from China is a must, daughter choose Edinburgh seven years ago the whole department particularly the Computer Science part was full of Chinese students who were excellent by the way and really made her step up in the work. Those same students she keeps meeting at trade shows as she struggles on a very ordinary wage with a Masters degree.
 
来自中国的工程学位是必须的，七年前我女儿选择去爱丁堡，整个系特别是计算机科学部分充满了优秀的中国学生，真让她在工作中提升了自己。那些学生她在贸易展上不断遇到，而她却在拥有硕士学位的情况下挣着非常普通的工资。
 
@DaveMikeHasslehuff
Like many things, Western U is now mainly for prestige, the brand, while Chinese U are at least as good but considerably more affordable.
 
就像许多事情一样，西方大学现在主要是为了声望和品牌，而中国大学至少同样优秀，但费用要实惠得多。
 
@ulisirius9027
In Russia it's possible to get an informatic diploma free of charge.(Even for older people).
 
在俄罗斯，有可能免费获得信息学文凭。（甚至对于年龄较大的人也是如此。）
 
@whollybraille7043
American public school kiddies can't read, write, compute, think critically. I've told all my friends that the only subject their kids and grandkids should concentrate on is math. Pursue engineering, whatever it takes. They look at me blindly. That would cut into their sports pursuits. We're lost.
 
美国公立学校的孩子们不能阅读、写作、计算，也无法进行批判性思考。我告诉我所有的朋友，他们的孩子和孙子唯一应该专注的科目就是数学。不惜一切代价追求工程专业。他们茫然地看着我。这会影响他们的体育活动。我们迷失了。
 
@KeziahMason
Are any of the Chinese schools teaching in English? Because if they aren’t it’s going to take years for Mandarin education in schools around the world to catch up to the ubiquity of English programs in schools around the world. It might be a long time before there are enough Mandarin speaking foreigners to make this matter.
 
中国有哪所学校是用英语授课的吗？因为如果没有，那全球学校的普通话教育需要很多年才能赶上英语项目的普及。可能很长时间内都不会有足够的讲普通话的外国人来使这件事情变得重要。
 
@grandwonder5858
So you’re paying 10 times more to attend a lower quality US university than a Chinese university and when you include food, room and board, and medical care that cost could skyrocket to 16 times more to attend an American university over a Chinese university!
 
你花十倍的费用去参加一所低质量的美国大学，而当你加上饮食、住宿和医疗费用时，这个成本可能会飙升到上面提到的中国大学的16倍！
 
@bl256
China should improve quality in the lower tier universities to keep talents at home and attract international students.
 
中国应该提高低排名大学的质量，以留住人才并吸引国际学生。
 
@stephenlesliebrown5959
Sounds as if the Chinese universities are soon to accept the best foreign students on their campus but will they do what US schools do and soak them for money?  Also sounds as if "foreign" does not include US students in this plan and maybe never will?  In any case it spells doom to US schools.
 
听起来中国大学很快就会接受最优秀的外国学生，但他们会像美国学校那样榨取他们的钱吗？同时，这听起来也像是这个计划中的“外国”不包括美国学生，可能永远也不会包括？无论如何，这对美国学校来说预示着厄运。
 
@rontsang4308
Let’s just say we should send our kids to where the opportunities are and that clearly is Asia now. I’ve just finished an online meeting with my Canadian customer. He’s from Toronto and I’m here in China. He said everyone else he’s working with in US and Canada takes days and weeks to get back to him while my team here in China is 10 steps ahead of him. We just work harder here. I would rather my kids get good work ethics and habits here.
 
我们应该把孩子送到有机会的地方，而显然现在就是亚洲。我刚结束与我的加拿大客户的在线会议。他来自多伦多，而我在中国。他说他在美国和加拿大工作的其他人回复他需要几天甚至几周，而我们在中国的团队则领先他十步。我们在这里工作更努力。我宁愿让我孩子在这里养成良好的工作伦理和习惯。
 
@0Mind-_-Bomb0
Another big issue is whether your child will survive the gun-toting trigger-happy life in the US. As a parent the safety of my child is something I think about daily, and I’m in East Asia. If I’m in the US, that anxiety will be elevated and I’ll need therapy.
 
另一个大问题是你的孩子能否在美国这个枪支泛滥、容易开火的环境中生存。作为父母，我每天都在考虑孩子的安全，而我在东亚。如果我在美国，那种焦虑会加剧，我会需要心理治疗。
 
@Jorge-xf7fv
Another thing to point out is that Chinese universities are not just cheaper, they actually often offer scholarships for foreign students.
If you take my country as an example, they are actually the biggest providers of scholarships for students coming from Switzerland.
 
另一个要指出的事情是，中国大学不仅便宜，而且通常还为外国学生提供奖学金。如果以我的国家为例，它们实际上是来自瑞士的学生奖学金的最大提供者。
 
@MA-ResearchEdu-e9l
My child is close to uni choosing age. His top serious ambitious (and expectation) used to be an American University. Now there is zero chance - we wouldn't even apply - and right now we wouldnt even go on holiday there.
 
我的孩子快要到选择大学的年龄了。他曾经最渴望（并期待）的选择是一所美国大学。现在完全没有机会——我们甚至不会申请——而且现在我们连假期都不想去那里。
 
@Travelryoko-T
How come some people here said that they want to study in universities in China and expect to be taught in English?
 
为什么这里有些人说他们想在中国的大学学习，并期望用英语授课？
 
@Denispeters409
Why pay more for a less advanced education in the U.S. when I can receive a more affordable and more advanced education in China? The same applies to electric vehicles: those made in China are more affordable and technologically advanced, while U.S.-made EVs are more expensive and less advanced.
 
为什么要为在美国接受较低水平的教育支付更多费用，而我可以在中国获得更实惠、更先进的教育？这同样适用于电动车：在中国制造的电动车更实惠且技术更先进，而美国制造的电动车则更贵且技术水平较低。
 
@lilianebarlow1719
Russia offers places at universities to talented kids from Africa and even has courses taught in English, though not in French, which might also be useful.
The picture of a new world is clear, except to those in the West.
 
俄罗斯为来自非洲的优秀孩子提供大学名额，甚至有英语授课的课程，尽管没有法语授课，这也可能是有用的。新世界的图景十分清晰，除了西方的人。
 
@phils4634
The situation becomes even more dire when you realise their "second tier" Universities provide a better experience than the West's top tier. The level of staff / student engagement in China is far greater, and Chinese students go to University to STUDY, not fool around and have a good time.  The West has already seen the consequences of this, and whilst Western Universities might be "ahead" in producing essentially Arts graduates, Science is where China currently excels, and the gap is widening.
 
当你意识到他们的“二流”大学提供的体验比西方一流大学更好时，情况变得更加严峻。中国的师生互动水平远高于西方，中国学生上大学是为了学习，而不是混日子和享乐。西方已经看到了这种情况的后果，尽管西方大学在培养艺术类毕业生方面可能“领先”，但科学领域正是中国目前的强项，而且差距正在扩大。
 
@leochen887
It's clear that the U.S. is the high-priced leader in many/most areas of commerce and education and medicine and pharmacies and AI and weapon systems and so on and so forth.  It's the reason that 70-80% of everything that we buy is labeled Made in China.  It's the reason that China is the global manufacturer of choice and why we're drowning in a Rising Sea of Red Ink.
 
很明显，美国在许多/大部分商业、教育、医学、药品、人工智能和武器系统等领域都是高价领导者。这就是为什么70-80%的我们购买的商品都标有“中国制造”。这就是为什么中国是全球首选的制造国，以及我们为什么会淹没在不断上升的赤字海洋中。
 
In the recent past, I've suggested that you may want to raise your children from birth in China, to become fluent in Mandarin and also able to read and write Chinese and identify themselves as American Chinese (or is it the other way around?)
Because, to be honest, China represents 2050 while we represent 2025.
 
在不久的过去，我建议你可能希望让你的孩子从出生开始在中国长大，以便流利地讲普通话，并能够读写中文，并认同自己是美籍华人（或者反过来？）因为，老实说，中国代表的是2050年，而我们代表的是2025年。
 
@gelinrefira
The ironic thing is that if your kid do wants to study political science, they should be going to the country that is winning this century because obviously their political system is superior than the losers. Then they really should be learning Chinese and going to Chinese universities.
 
讽刺的是，如果你的孩子确实想学习政治科学，他们应该去这个世纪赢家的国家，因为显然他们的政治制度优于失败者。那么他们真的应该学习中文，去中国大学。
 
@Cobalt-88
80% of the top engineering (and computer science) universities in the world being in China? Not only that but faculty sizes are probably twice as large as our universities.China sure loves engineers (and hates lawyers)! I find that so amusing.
Not only that but competition to get into them is much tougher, so the quality of students is quite a bit higher. That is scary.
 
世界上80%的顶尖工程（和计算机科学）大学都在中国？不仅如此，教职员工的规模可能是我们大学的两倍。中国确实喜欢工程师（而且不太喜欢律师）！我发现这非常有趣。不仅如此，进入这些大学的竞争更加激烈，因此学生的质量也相对较高。这是令人担忧的。
 
@nomdede
Given that the pace of new development in engineering is so fast in China, it seems unlikely that US engineering programs can remotely keep up. So you may be paying ten times more for an out-of-date degree, with no pipeline to internships with cutting edge companies, in a country where they’re kidnapping people without judicial warrants and people are dying while in detained…
 
鉴于中国工程领域的新发展速度如此之快，美国的工程项目似乎不可能跟上。因此，你可能要为一个过时的学位支付十倍的费用，而没有与前沿公司实习的渠道，在一个没有司法令状就绑架人的国家，人们在被拘留期间还会死亡……
 
@slc801
Not surprised China universities are on top when comes to engineering because they are the one building mega projects from bridges to dams skyscrapers green energy and all infrastructure you can think of !
 
当谈到工程时，中国大学处于领先地位我并不感到惊讶，因为他们正在建设从桥梁到大坝、摩天大楼、绿色能源以及你能想到的所有基础设施的超级项目！
 
@gayphiliphongkong
US universities tell others the reason they do well is because of their outstanding lecturers and researchers. Well I say smart and hardworking students is very important too and those are likely foreign students from China but they won't admit
 
美国大学告诉别人，他们之所以做得好是因为他们优秀的讲师和研究人员。可是我认为聪明且勤奋的学生也非常重要，而这些学生很可能是来自中国的外国学生，但他们不会承认这一点。
 
@leeit2me
US colleges are a total scam.. when you graduate you come out with a HOUSE MORTGAGE payment.. and you didn't even start working yet.. No wonder US kids are staying away from colleges because it cost too much.
 
美国大学简直是个骗局……毕业后你背负着房贷，结果你还没开始工作……难怪美国孩子都不想上大学，因为费用太高了。
 
@randy8643
The Chinese universities will get the best students while the west continues to be flooded by fake students looking for low skilled work
 
中国大学将吸引最优秀的学生，而西方则继续被寻找低技能工作的假学生淹没。
 
@delongbear
Humans are creative creatures and American universities war on innovation have basically made it impossible as a student to find the future. We are at a crossroads where science will bypass political stagnation, a new enlightenment if you will
 
人类是具有创造力的生物，美国大学对创新的战争基本上让学生无法找到未来。我们正处于一个十字路口，科学将超越政治停滞，迎来一种新的启蒙。
 
@georgekostaras
People should study at useful universities, instead of the places that trained the people who caused the 2008 housing crisis
 
人们应该去有用的大学学习，而不是那些培养了导致2008年住房危机的人们的地方。
 
@michaelloong964
When life is good in a country. the young ones do not like to study hard subects in Engineering, Science and Maths. They normally go  for soft and easy subjects like social science , psychology , marketing and economics. Hence factories in US hard to operate without engineering graduates.
 
当一个国家生活美好的时候，年轻人往往不喜欢学习工程、科学和数学等困难的学科。他们通常选择社会科学、心理学、市场营销和经济学等简单的学科。因此，美国的工厂在没有工程毕业生的情况下很难运作。
 
@dmrr7739
The US university system has always been the secret weapon of US tech. It brought in foreign students and provided a pipeline into high tech jobs. Even soaking foreign students for 2-3x the cost didn’t keep them away. Looks like Trump has finally killed the golden goose.
 
美国大学系统一直是美国科技的秘密武器。它吸引了外国学生，并为高科技工作提供了一个渠道。即使向外国学生收取2-3倍的学费也没有让他们退缩。看起来特朗普终于杀死了这只金蛋鹅。
 
@tuppenceworth5485
Seven out of ten top universities in the world are Chinese universities, with Harvard University placed third behind two Chinese universities.  It begs the question why Chinese students would still want to study in the US and UK, pay huge sums of money to sustain their universities and local economies, and in return, accused of spying and subjected to harassment by their border officials.
 
世界上十所顶尖大学中有七所是中国大学，哈佛大学排在两所中国大学之后位列第三。这不禁让人质疑，为什么中国学生还想去美国和英国学习，支付巨额费用来支持他们的大学和当地经济，却被指控间谍行为并遭到边境官员的骚扰。
 
@renewagoner1383
Parents have to remember.Their kids will be in a foreign country. And a lot of kids or young people don't really go or know the rules of other countries. And if they get in trouble, they're in a foreign country.
And nowadays, the world isn't doing so well and some the majority young people graduating out of college cannot get a job. I don't know where you're winning anywhere. Anymore, it's not looking good, not financially, not within the future.
Sad, isn't it everyone thinks they wanna win? But are we anywhere in the world.
 
家长们要记住，他们的孩子将身处一个外国。而许多孩子或年轻人并不真正了解其他国家的规定。如果他们遇到麻烦，他们就在一个外国。如今，世界状况并不好，绝大多数大学毕业的年轻人找不到工作。我不知道你在哪里赢得了什么。再也没有看到好的前景，不论是经济上还是未来的发展。可悲的是，大家都认为自己想要胜利，但我们在这个世界上真的取得了什么吗？