J-35隐形战斗机即将加入巴基斯坦空军吗？印度的AMCA项目是否为时已晚？

@deadpool8335
There should be a bond in iits that no one can leave nation , we invest so much to teach iitns but in return we get nothing , we can not create owe own jet engines planes nothing

应强制要求印度理工学院（IIT）学生签署留国服务协议——国家投入巨资培养他们，却得不到任何回报！我们至今连自主研发的飞机发动机都造不出来，这就是代价。

@el.mordjene
Go and see the international media report. 3 Rafael, 1 sukhoi 30 mki, 1 Mig29, 1 Mirage 2000 and Heron UAV shot down by using PL15E missiles fired from J10C and JF17 thunder. India needs to develop own jet engine instead of depending expensive Western jets. Also just before ceasefire a 96L6E cheese board radar of S400 situated in Adampur airbase is destroyed by CM400AKG missile fired from JF 17. But other Pakistani missiles and Drones are well defended by our own Akash and S400.

去看看国际媒体的报道。3架阵风战机、1架苏-30MKI、1架米格-29、1架幻影2000以及猎鹰无人机都被J-10C和JF-17雷霆发射的PL15E导弹击落。印度需要开发自己的战斗机发动机，而不是依赖昂贵的西方战机。另外，在停火前，位于阿丹普尔空军基地的S400的96L6E“奶酪板”雷达被JF-17发射的CM400AKG导弹摧毁。然而，其他巴基斯坦的导弹和无人机则被我们自己的阿卡什导弹系统和S400有效防御。

@shafqatkhan4635
It doesn’t matter for India. Pakistan will only lose its foreign exchange buying those things & will be under more pressure of Debt.

这对印度来说无关紧要。巴基斯坦购买这些东西只会失去外汇，并将面临更大的债务压力。

@desidreamers
People are getting bored from AMCA, Tejas debate. Nothing is happening in India. Talk something else. It’s 2-5 years far. Discuss something which is ready.

人们已经对AMCA和光辉战机的辩论感到厌烦了。印度什么也没有发生，讨论一些别的事情吧。距离这两个项目完成还有2到5年，讨论一些已经准备好的东西吧。

@ShortFaced
So now India is looking for someone new to beg? �� Interesting move, especially after that mighty air defense let Pakistan strike 26 targets while the S-400 stayed silent. And yes, that was reported by your own media.

所以现在印度在找新的国家求助吗？这是一个有趣的举动，尤其是在那个强大的防空系统让巴基斯坦打击了26个目标，而S-400却保持沉默之后。是的，这还被你们自己的媒体报道了。

@planetrahul
Iaf and the govt should wake up...why the hell are they sleeping and not doing anything about it. Why are they chasing a 30 yr old -4th gen aircraft called Tejas mk1 or mk1a and still getting it produced till 2035?? Tejas will be absolutely irrelevant by then and we will be sitting on a 200 qty of them by that time

印度空军和政府应该清醒过来……为什么他们还在睡觉，什么都不做？为什么他们还在追求一款已经研发了30年的第四代战机——光辉MK1或MK1A，并且直到2035年还在生产它？到那时，光辉战机将完全没有意义，而我们会拥有200架这种战机。

@annasahmed-c8x
Spending money on things that contribute to war seems foolish to me. Instead, that money should be used to build good relationships with neighboring countries so that everyone can live happily and come out of poverty. Why do we keep talking about war and investing in it, when we could be strengthening ties, creating good jobs for people, building proper infrastructure, and removing hate?
Nobody wants to fight anymore. It feels like others want us—neighboring countries like Iran, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nepal, and others—to remain in conflict forever, while the West profits from it. How foolish we are! If we all became strong together, did business with each other, improved trade, and built mutual trust, we could become a real power—like NATO. Then no one would dare attack us, and there would be no need for projects like AMCA. But the West wants us to keep fighting for years so they can keep benefiting from our conflicts.

在我看来，把钱花在那些推动战争的东西上是愚蠢的。相反，这些钱应该用来与邻国建立良好的关系，让每个人都能幸福地生活，摆脱贫困。我们为什么要不断谈论战争并投资其中，而我们本可以加强联系，为人民创造良好的就业机会，建设适当的基础设施，消除仇恨呢？
没有人再想打仗了。感觉好像其他国家希望我们——像伊朗、巴基斯坦、印度、孟加拉国、尼泊尔等邻国——永远处于冲突之中，而西方则从中获益。我们真是太愚蠢了！如果我们都能一起变得强大，相互做生意，改善贸易，建立相互信任，我们就可以成为一个真正的强国——像北约一样。那时没有人敢攻击我们，我们也不再需要像AMCA这样的项目。但西方希望我们继续打下去，这样他们就可以从我们的冲突中持续获利。

@ZayNahKhxn
Tejas are the best but on papaers as proven already. Pakistan is using JF-17 against India but India's Teja's are nowhere to be found but infact the govt is going for Rafales and others. What a shame. Chian has over 200 J-20s and now J-35s but where does India stands? Just table talks and TV shows and confused decisions makers not knowing what to do after what we have seen in the recent dog with with Pakistan. Rafale isn't the option.

光辉战机是最好的，但这只是纸面上的证明。巴基斯坦使用JF-17与印度对抗，而印度的光辉战机却无影无踪，实际上印度政府却在购买阵风和其他战机，真是丢脸。中国拥有超过200架J-20战机，现在又有J-35战机，但印度在哪里呢？印度有的不过是一些桌面讨论和电视节目，迷茫的决策者们不知道在与巴基斯坦的最近一次空战之后该做什么。阵风不是解决方案。

@MaverickATX
Vishnu, Shiv, why are we not talking about LCA anymore? What’s the production status, in age of BVR warfare, as a 4.5 gen platform with low radar Xsection it’s excellent provided we can integrate BVR missiles, electronic warfare, Brahmos NG, AESA radar etc., HAL needs to stop making excuses and work with pvt sector to deliver Tejas MK1A and MK2 in large numbers, Until AMCA comes in.

Vishnu，Shiv，为什么我们不再谈论LCA了？它的生产状态如何？在超视距作战的时代，作为一款具有低雷达反射截面的4.5代平台，光辉战机非常出色，只要我们能够整合超视距导弹、电子战、布拉莫斯NG、AESA雷达等。HAL公司需要停止找借口，并与私人部门合作，批量交付光辉MK1A和MK2，直到AMCA投入使用。

@WitchKingOfAngamar
While i do think need strength in numbers is needed in form of LCA, IAF's top of the line su-30 or Rafael which are 4.5 gen aircrafts would simply be no match with 5th gen aircraft like J35, that's a sad reality and quite alarming

尽管我认为印度空军确实需要以LCA这样的机型扩充数量优势，但现实很残酷——即便是最先进的苏-30或"阵风"这类4.5代战机，在歼-35等第五代战机面前也毫无胜算。这一现实令人忧虑，甚至堪称警讯。

@MaverickATX
Pak can always stay ahead of us, as it can quickly induct Chinese tech, to leapfrog them we need to partner with other likeminded countries like Japan, France or Russia and get at cutting edge of stealth. Here Quality is very important besides timely acquisition..

巴基斯坦总是能够领先我们，因为它可以迅速引进中国的技术。为了赶超它，我们需要与其他志同道合的国家如日本、法国或俄罗斯合作，走在隐形技术的前沿。在此问题上，除了及时列装（战机）外，质量优势更是关键所在。

@WitchKingOfAngamar
@MaverickATX why did we pull out of pak fa program?! Now we need to jump back and negotiate su57 again. How many decisions will the babudom mess up?
Anyways what we are missing is engine tech, why not go with twin engine kaveri instead of waiting on backstabbing GE? US will never let our program take off

@MaverickATX，为什么我们退出了PAK-FA项目？现在我们需要重新加入并重新谈判苏-57项目。官僚们还要搞多少糟糕的决策？

无论如何，我们缺少的技术是发动机技术，为什么不使用双发动机（卡维里发动机），而是等待背后捅刀子的GE？美国永远不会让我们的计划达成。

@cedricvaz6112
The arms race for advanced aircraft is just too much and highly complex. We have come a long, long way from our old Gnat aircraft days. We even have a postage stamp of the Gnat aircraft.! Great presentation by both the NDTV speakers Vishnu Som and his colleague. Keep up your good work guys.!

先进战机的军备竞赛实在是太过复杂和激烈了。从我们早期的“蚊子”战机时代起，我们已经走了很长很长一段路。我们甚至有一张蚊子战机的邮票！视频是Vishnu Som和他的同事们在NDTV的精彩演讲。请继续保持你们的好工作，伙计们！

@OOKU.i77
Until we develop the capability to manufacture and produce your own indegineos jet engine, forget AMCA, even Tejas and other fighter aircrafts in the pipeline are nothing more than virtual reality.

在我们发展出制造和生产自己本土战斗机发动机的能力之前，忘掉AMCA吧，甚至光辉战机和其他正在开发的战机也不过是虚拟现实而已。

@vicolew
they can debate the whole freaking day, and weeks ,, and its pretty useless... Do you ever contemplate to find Myamar or Laos or even Brunei trying to produce their own 5th gen aircraft no matter how poor or rich they are!!!! You have all the answers to your debates here DANG !!!!

他们可以整天、整周地辩论，而这其实是非常无用的……你们有没有想过，为什么缅甸、老挝，甚至文莱（不管穷还是富），都在试图自己制造第五代战机？！你们的辩论已经有了所有答案！！！

@Tinjinladakh
This people don't ask the basic question, Why don't we invest more in education, most of indian uni uses 18s century paper and scale to teach engineer. Not to mention copy and paste exam and we much give importance on govt bureaucracy like IAS or IPS much of all are corrupt govt position,

这些人从未追问最根本的问题——为何不加大对教育的投入？多数印度大学至今仍用18世纪的纸尺教具培养工程师，更别提那些照搬照抄的考试模式，而我们却过度推崇官僚体系（如IAS/IPS），殊不知这些政府职位早已腐败丛生。

@user-vz4nb3ko2y
The issue isn’t how good and stealthy the Pakistani fighter planes are; it’s whether they’ll have any runways left to take off or land at their air bases. Currently, India has the upper hand in this regard and is likely to maintain it for the foreseeable future.

问题不在于巴基斯坦的战机有多好或者多隐形，而在于它们是否还能在基地上找到跑道起飞或降落。目前，印度在这一方面占据了上风，并且很可能在可预见的未来继续保持这种优势。

@Raj-nh3fc
There is one common denominator to India's aircraft problem, whether it is LCA one and two or TEDBF or the AMCA. It is called HAL, HAL and HAL! The most inefficient, the most lazy and the most uninspiring manufacturing unit in the world, resembling some commie government. As long as HAL is alive in the present form, your LCA mark 2, TEDBF and AMCA are all dead. Fix the sick unit called HAL (by dividing it into smaller competitive units) and the rest will fix itself.

印度战机（无论是光辉一代、二代，还是TEDBF或AMCA）的问题有一个共同的根源，那就是HAL公司，HAL公司，还是HAL公司！这是世界上最低效、最懒惰、最没有活力的制造单位，像极了某些gcd政府。只要HAL公司以现在的形式存在，光辉二代、TEDBF和AMCA都将死路一条。修复这个名为HAL的病态单位（通过将其拆分为更具竞争力的小单位），其余的就会自动解决。

@thepoliticalawareness1021
Please change Reservation system in DRDO and HAL. India doesn't need American, Russian Weapons & Aircrafts. India can build more Advanced Weapons than American and Russian products.
Reservation system is probably like Drugs Addiction. It can't be changed. Reservation is for Vote bank only. Muslims ruled Hyderabad so they get backward status. Ahom ruled for 600 years so they get backward status. Tamil people had ruled or had influenced on Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos etc. So all forward caste people get backward status. Like Vellalar, Gounder, Reddiars, Mudaliar, Vanniyar, Nadars, Mutharaiyar etc. Maurya had one of the biggest Empires so they get backward status. In Maharashtra Maratha people have backward status. But we support Marathas. In Gujarat, Rajpoot get backward status. Jats have huge land banks in UP and Rajasthan so get backward status.

请改变印度国防研究与发展组织（DRDO）和HAL公司的预留制度。印度不需要美国或俄罗斯的武器和战机，印度完全可以制造比美国和俄罗斯更先进的武器。
预留制度可能就像毒品成瘾一样，无法改变。预留制度只是为了选举利益。穆斯林曾统治海得拉巴，所以他们被归为落后群体。阿洪王朝统治了600年，所以他们也被归为落后群体。泰米尔人民曾统治或影响了斯里兰卡、马来西亚、柬埔寨、印尼、老挝等地，所以所有前教派的人民（比如维拉拉、冈德尔、雷迪亚尔、穆达里亚尔、万尼亚尔、纳达尔、穆塔赖亚尔等）都被归为落后群体。毛里亚帝国曾是最大的帝国之一，所以他们被归为落后群体。在马哈拉施特拉邦，马拉塔人也被归为落后群体，但我们支持马拉塔人。在古吉拉特邦，拉杰普特人被归为落后群体。贾特人在北方邦和拉贾斯坦邦拥有庞大的土地银行，所以也被归为落后群体。

@Kanishka-d6w
Mein that gaya hon. seethe 20247 ka target rakh lo mark 2 generation 4.5 jab China ke paas gen 7 ka fighter plane hoga pakistan ko gift karne ke liye. stop trying to invent the wheel you started Tejust in 1984 and after 40 years we are no where near as engine cannot be manufactured in India. what an engineering unachievement of India.

我说过目标定在2047年，第二代光辉战机只是4.5代，但那时中国已经有了第七代战机并送给了巴基斯坦。我们应该停止试图重新发明轮子，我们1984年就开始了光辉计划，40年过去了，我们还是没有办法制造发动机，印度的工程成就真是令人失望。

@Darko-kn6il
First of all India needs to stop comparing themselves to the Chinese. If they stop comparing themselves, they will be on the right track because everyone knows India cannot compete with China. It’s that easy.

首先，印度需要停止拿自己和中国比较。如果他们停止比较，就能走上正确的轨道，因为每个人都知道印度无法与中国竞争，就这么简单。

@avirdee5421
AMCA timeline judging on past Indian performance will be around 20 years to first full operational clearance, around 2046. By that time, the world will be flying 6th generation fighters with 7th generation coming off the drawing boards. India should really be going for Su-57 M1 with complete technology transfer without being too silly.

根据印度过去的表现，AMCA的时间表大约需要20年（大约到2046年）才能获得首次完全的作战许可。到那时，世界将已经遍地都是第六代战机，第七代战机也将从设计图纸上走出来。印度确实应该考虑购买苏-57M1，并要求完整的技术转让，别再傻乎乎的了。

@awaisabbasi1747
The most important part of a jet is the jet engine. Rest is relatively easy. I don’t see India making a jet engine in the next 1000 years. Just spend all the dollars you guys have earned from scam calls and buy a 5th gen jet.

战机最重要的部分是发动机，其它部分相对容易。我看不出印度在接下来的1000年里能制造出战机发动机。与其继续浪费时间，不如把你们通过电话诈骗赚的钱用来购买一款第五代战机。

@p3yp649
Sorry to bug you, Brothers. Why do you (two guys) talk only about how to outdo Pakistan or China’s air fighters? The reality is that there is a better solution, i.e., settle the border issues with Pakistan/China amicably with a give-and-take mentality. Save billions or trillions of Indian rupees for your son’s or daughter’s education, social needs, housing/sanitary/healthcare, and food distribution for the lowest 10% of poor people in India. Why give so much money to the US/Russia just to satisfy your egos that you are on par with the two notorious Superpowers in military might by buying their "high markup" weapons? No prize given for that silly action other than more debt for India’s common people who already have a hard time making a living. Very wasteful in such military spending.

抱歉打扰各位，兄弟们。为什么你们（两位）只谈论如何超越巴基斯坦或中国的空中战机？现实情况是应该有一个更好的解决方案，也就是以互惠互利的心态解决与巴基斯坦/中国的边界问题，为你们孩子的教育、社会需求、住房/卫生/医疗保健、以及为印度最贫困的10%的人口提供食物分配节省数十亿甚至数万亿印度卢比。为什么要把这么多钱给美国/俄罗斯，只是为了满足你们的虚荣心，认为通过购买他们的“高额标价”武器，自己就能与这两个臭名昭著的超级大国在军事力量上平起平坐？这种愚蠢行为根本没有任何好处只会让印度普通人民背负更多的债务，而他们本就难以谋生。这种军事开支极为浪费。

@MAR-lt7xo
Illogical discussion, PAF has already beaten IAF twice in 2019 and 2025, with stealth capabilities. Why don’t you discuss that before talking about stealth technology? Why don’t you discuss training and modern warfare concepts instead of discussing advanced and expensive platforms acquisition? Did Rafale deliver? Disconnect from the obsession with superior platforms and start working on skills and war concepts with inferior platforms.

不合逻辑的讨论。巴基斯坦空军（PAF）早在2019年和2025年两次击败印度空军（IAF），这已证明隐身战力的价值。在空谈隐身技术前，为何不先反思这些败绩？与其沉迷于采购昂贵的先进平台（"阵风"真的兑现承诺了吗？），不如聚焦实战训练与现代战争理念——用劣势装备磨砺技能与战术才是正道。

@abidfarooqui4899
As a light aviation manufacturing industry person in the US and as a Pakistani American, I am a bit confused by Indian analysis and development path for these aircraft in India. It’s pretty obvious it’s not just the aircraft but the whole connected ecosystem with lix 17 and tactics used by PAF that created the downing in May 2025 of multiple Indian jets in one of the first full-fledged BVR air fights. Out of all the elements, what is the most important element? Just getting the aircraft is important but still just one of the multiple elements. Even with all the elements in place, the tactics of warfare developed by the organization using them matter. PAF used inferior aircraft with superior integration of systems and masterful tactics to do what they did. Isn’t that obvious?

作为美国轻型航空制造业的从业人员和巴基斯坦裔美国人，我对印度在这些战机上的分析和发展路径有些困惑。显然，这不仅仅是战机的问题，而是整个生态系统的问题，包括lix 17和巴基斯坦空军使用的战术，正是这些因素造成了2025年5月印度多架战机在第一次全面的BVR（超视距）空战中被击落。在所有因素中，最重要的是什么？得到战机固然重要，但这只是众多因素中的一个。即使所有的元素到位，使用它们的组织所发展出来的战术才是关键。巴基斯坦空军使用了性能较差的战机，但却有出色的系统整合和精湛的战术，这才做到了他们的成就。这不是很明显吗？

@robinjas516
We need not much worry about J35. It’s not only the stealth quality, it also has some poor avionics and scanner. Our Uttam is a great success, fitted in Tejas Mk 1. Yes, we need a stopgap SU-57 of latest (new engine and our Uttam radar) in the next 4-5 years, around 2030 (around 26 SU-57) will be more than a match for J35. By the time AMCA enters IAF, 2036 would be 5.5 at the time of technology. Engine is the main, hope we’ve solved 90%. No worry, even a bit late we match world superpowers in air battle in 2035 with amazing cutting-edge military satellite technology. �� Robin Bangalore India

我们不必太担心J35。它不仅仅是隐形质量差，还存在一些电子设备和扫描仪的问题。我们的Uttam雷达是一个巨大的成功，它已安装在光辉MK1战机上。是的，我们需要一款最新的SU-57作为过渡型（搭载新发动机和我们的Uttam雷达），大约在2030年（大约26架SU-57）就能匹敌J35。到2036年AMCA进入印度空军时，其技术水平应该能达到5.5代。发动机是关键，祝愿我们已经解决了90%的问题。没问题，尽管稍有延迟，但我们也能在2035年通过强大的前沿军事卫星技术，在空战中与世界超级大国抗衡。
---Robin，印度班加罗尔