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东京的穷苦妇女

Poor Women of Tokyo
2026-01-04 竹青ZhuQing 5527 17 5 收藏 纠错&举报
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网友:为什么那些有学习动力的人会因为经济需要而被迫过着无聊的生活呢?日本政府的思维似乎还停留在昭和时代。如果日本政府要认真解决人口老龄化和人口萎缩的问题,他们就必须彻底改变其一切做法--提供社会关怀、高等教育资金、托儿服务、财政支持、经济适用房和创造就业机会、增加培训和再培训机会、解决工作环境中的陈旧偏见、解决并消除贫困、无家可归和心理健康问题……
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@vividdaydream1516
Calling the sex industry a safety net for impoverished women is like calling prison a boarding house for poor people.

说性产业是贫困女性的安全网,就像说监狱是穷人的寄宿处。

@somersetjaye1104
Some people actually go to jail on purpose just to get 3 meals a day

有些人会为了一日三餐而故意坐牢。

@flapjack6495
@somersetjaye1104 yeah some old guy robbed a bank for a dollar so could health care in prison

@somersetjaye1104 是啊,有个老家伙為了一块钱抢了银行,所以他在监狱里可以享受医疗服务。

@farhankutub6564
"If this was France, there would be Riots"
This last part was gold

“如果这是法国,就会发生暴乱”。
最后这部分是金句。

@user-ec6kt2fg7m
No people fights the goverment quite like the French. Their spirit is admirable.

没有人会像法国人一样与政府作斗争,他们的精神令人钦佩。

@octane7047
If people in every country were willing to fight against rulers like French, the world would be a better place.

如果每个国家的人民都愿意像法国人一样反抗统治者,世界将会变得更加美好。

@PulverizerA
If college is so expensive that the field you train for won't even pay off your debt, then why go to college?

如果大学学费太贵,你所学的专业甚至还不起你的债务,那为什么还要上大学呢?

@Spangletiger
Why should people who are motivated to learn, be forced to stultify their lives out of economic necessity?
The Japanese government mindset appears to be stuck somewhere back in the Shōwa era, I think. If it is to seriously address concerns about having an aging, shrinking population, it needs to overhaul its approach towards everything - social care provision, higher education funding, childcare provision, financial support, affordable housing and job creation, increasing training and retraining opportunities, addressing antiquated biases in the work environment, tackle and destigmatise poverty, homelessness and mental health issues.

为什么那些有学习动力的人会因为经济需要而被迫过着无聊的生活呢?
日本政府的思维似乎还停留在昭和时代。如果日本政府要认真解决人口老龄化和人口萎缩的问题,他们就必须彻底改变其一切做法--提供社会关怀、高等教育资金、托儿服务、财政支持、经济适用房和创造就业机会、增加培训和再培训机会、解决工作环境中的陈旧偏见、解决并消除贫困、无家可归和心理健康问题。

@PulverizerA
@Spangletiger " Why should people who are motivated to learn, be forced to stultify their lives out of economic necessity? "
Because money doesn't grow on trees. thus making economic necessity, economic reality. If you want the world to pay for your worthless degree in 16th century dogs playing cards paintings, just because you're motivated to learn about it, doesn't mean the world is willing to do so. There's no benefit to the world, so the world would actually be better off without your motivation. God bless ya.

@Spangletiger “为什么那些有学习动力的人会因为经济需要而被迫过着无聊的生活呢?”
因为钱不是树上掉下来的。因此,经济需要就是经济现实。如果你想让世界仅仅因为你有学习的动力而为你那毫无价值的16世纪狗玩扑克牌绘画学位买单,这并不意味着世界愿意这样做。这对世界没有任何好处,所以没有你的动机,世界实际上会更好。愿上帝保佑你。

@TheNobleFive
@PulverizerA This argument could have been used for primary school, but wise people realized having public finances pay for it instead would allow more people to contribute to the economy regardless of their parents' financial standing, and was thus a worthy investment for the social and economic future of the nation.
That being said, I wouldn't mind if a public financing program for college was limited to a list of economically viable degrees, or if any class failure had to be paid back by the student. This means the "free ride" would be limited to students that pass classes likely to earn them a job.

@PulverizerA 这个论点本可以用在小学教育上,但聪明的人意识到由公共财政来支付小学教育的费用,可以让更多的人为经济做出贡献而不用考虑他们父母的经济状况,因此这是对国家社会和经济未来的一种值得投资的方式。
话虽如此,但如果大学公共资助计划仅限于经济上可行的学位列表,或者任何课程的失败都必须由学生偿还,我也不会介意。这意味着“免费搭车”将仅限于那些通过了有可能为他们赢得工作的课程的学生。

@RagnarokMasta
Here is the thing, its not about whether college itself is important, its that a good many cultures are decidedly uninterested in training young people to accomplish their dreams and be able to grasp ambitions. Too often you have a "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" from people who got theirs and don't care to preserve the future. So there is just no interest in helping make sure the next generation is secured outside of platitudes. So dismissing higher education isn't the answer, its making sure that opportunities for training in any form, whether that be higher education, apprenticeships, vocational facilities, or better on the job training is a thing.

问题的关键不在于大学本身是否重要,而在于很多文化都对培养年轻人实现梦想和把握雄心壮志的能力毫无兴趣。很多时候,人们会说“自力更生”,因为他们已经有了自己的事业,他们并不关心未来的发展。因此,除了陈词滥调之外,他们根本没有兴趣帮助下一代。因此,否定高等教育并不是答案,而是要确保提供所有形式的培训机会(无论是高等教育、学徒制、职业培训,还是更好的在职培训)。

@philippinepalestra
Yep, it's one consequence of student debt -- even in the US, I believe. Comedian Tim Allen said something like, "If you're a middle-aged man and find a young woman flirting with you, it's either you're still hot or she's working her way through college."

没错,这就是学生债务的后果之一--我相信即使在美国也是如此。喜剧演员蒂姆-艾伦(Tim Allen)说过这样一句话:“如果你是一个中年男人,如果你发现一个年轻女人在和你调情,要么你还很性感,要么她还在努力读完大学”。

@linnen_elm
wow.. I feel attacked LMao. yes, me on my 29, and my GF on 23, she is still hasn't even go to college yet, she will start her study by the end of this year

哇哦,被打击到了。我29岁,我的女朋友23岁,她还没上大学呢,今年年底就要开始学习了。

@ronblack7870
japan's biggest problem is excessive work hours. they need to pass laws outlawing requiring people to work more than 40 hours. this would mean companies need more employees not less. it would help the situation in that men would have more time to spend with their family which could cut the divorce rate as well.

日本最大的问题是工作时间过长。他们需要通过法律,禁止要求人们工作超过40小时,这意味着公司需要更多而不是更少的员工。这将有助于改善这种情况,因为男性将有更多时间陪伴家人,这也可能降低离婚率。

@renviluan2842
True , their work hours are brutal. But then again they are a resource poor country. I love in the Philippines and make twenty dollars a day but I can eat scallops, fresh fruit and veggies everyday. Live in a nice place. It's so plentiful here most people eat well even if they're poor. Only in the cities is life difficult. Also many imported goods are expensive but food. Food is great here though. Clothes, goods are expensive but then again I love a few minutes from the beach.

确实,他们的工作时间很残酷。但话又说回来,他们是一个资源贫乏的国家。我喜欢菲律宾,虽然我们每天只挣20美元,但我每天都能吃到扇贝、新鲜水果和蔬菜。我住在一个好地方,这里物产丰富,大多数人即使贫穷也能吃得很好,只有在城市里生活才比较困难。此外,这里的许多进口商品都很贵,但食品除外。不过这里的食物很不错。虽然衣服和商品都很贵,但话又说回来,我喜欢离海滩只有几分钟的路程。

@adityantamarapu6239
I agree. Japan needs to evolve as a society and prioritize human life more than printed currency.
It feels like any society without a strong agricultural backbone would end up fully depending on printed money for survival.

我同意。作为一个社会,日本需要进化,他们需要把人的生命看得比印刷货币更重要。
我感觉任何一个没有强大农业支柱的社会最终都会完全依赖印刷货币生存。

@davide8982
I’ve learned more about Japan in a few of your videos than I did for years on social media. It’s not the dream land I’ve imagined.

通过你的几段视频,我对日本的了解比我多年来在社交媒体上了解的还要多。它不是我想象中的梦幻国度。

@zippymufo9765
Almost all Westerners wind up disillusioned if they spend any length of time in Japan. It's a very rigid and conservative culture.

几乎所有在日本呆了很长时间的西方人都会感到失望,因为那是一种非常僵化和保守的文化。

@cmg25
Japan’s multiple personalities are a result of the friction between the 1,000+ year old cultural values and the rapid economic and political positioning after 1945 brought to you by Western capitalism.

日本的多重性格是一千多年的文化价值观与1945年后西方资本主义带来的快速经济和政治定位之间摩擦的结果。

@franklinmartin8103
You are learning about the big cities, Japan. Specifically Tokyo. There is another Japan out in the country side and on the smaller Islands of the Amami Islands going south to Okinawa. I have spent a lot of time in the country side up north in the Aomori prefecture and down south on a few of the smaller Islands north of Okinawa. There are beautiful girls in all these places, and even though they can be a bit bashful on first seeing a foreigner, if you know a few greeting phrases, you can strike up a conversation and be pleasantly surprised by their abilities to speak and understand English. Once they are comfortable in your presence. English is taught in most High schools and even in grade schools now. So just because you meet girls who are a bit on the selfish or me, all me type. Don't give up. There are girls out in the country side and on remote Islands that are interested in meeting foreign guys, especially if you have blond hair and blue eyes. I had no problems meeting and talking to many. Married one, and have had and still having the time of my life with her. She IS truly my Island Princess. We have been married over 40 years. I did call her my Hedinka in front of her parents a couple of times. Her father's reaction was. Noni Hedinka? ( meaning what princess). Her mom caught the significance right away and became my best friend, even smoothing over father. Hint: when girls marry foreigners both moms and dads have some worries. It is up to you to prove their worries are unfounded. So work hard in that area, it IS important to assure the moms and dads that their young daughter has chosen well. You won't regret it later. And Life with her has gone by too fast. So I pray to the heavens that I can have another 40 years with her.

你们正在了解日本的大城市,特别是东京。在乡村地区和奄美群岛向南到冲绳的小岛上,还有另一个日本。我在北部青森县的乡下和冲绳北部的几个小岛上待过很长时间,这些地方都有美丽的姑娘,尽管她们第一次见到外国人会有些腼腆,但如果您知道一些问候短语,您就可以与她们搭讪,她们说英语和听懂英语的能力会让您大吃一惊,现在日本大多数高中甚至小学都教授英语。因此,不要因为你遇到的女孩有点自私或我行我素就放弃。在乡村和偏远的岛屿上,也有女孩对认识外国男人感兴趣,特别是如果你有金发碧眼的话。我遇到过很多这样的女孩并和她们聊得很愉快,我和其中一个结婚了,和她在一起的日子是我一生中最快乐的时光。她真是我的岛国公主,我们已经结婚40多年了。有几次,我在她父母面前叫她 “my Hedinka”。她父亲的反应是Noni Hedinka?(意思是什么是公主?)。她妈妈马上就明白了其中的含义并成为了我最好的朋友,甚至还帮我在她父亲面前打圆场。提示:当女孩嫁给外国人时,父母都会有些担心,你要做的就是证明他们的担心是没有根据的。所以要在这方面下功夫,让爸爸妈妈们相信他们的小女儿选择了正确的道路,这一点非常重要。你们以后不会后悔的。和她在一起的生活的时光过得太快了,所以我祈求上天,让我能和她再共度40年。

@BZAKether
I like your channel because I actually learn something new. I didn't know that non-regular employment was so high in Japan. Japan is reaching developing-country levels of sub-employment, in Mexico we have 56%. Anyway, thank you, and congratulations for the 150k subscribers!

我喜欢你的频道,因为我确实学到了一些新东西。我不知道日本的非正规就业率这么高,日本的非正规就业率已经达到了发展中国家的水平,而在墨西哥,我们的非正规就业率是56%。总之,谢谢你,祝贺你的订阅人数达到15 万!

@TokyoTraveller
Since they will probably not get a high paying job after college, and put themselves in debt because of college, I have an idea:
Focus less on college, and more on trades and entrepreneurship.
There are SO MANY family businesses that will shut down because there is no one in the area that want to work there and carry on that business.
Forget about college, and work at a traditional Japanese knife factory, or other high-quality family owned Japanese business.
Japan has a super smart and super highly skilled workforce. Japan can lead the world in high-quality, high-end goods. Do not race China/Vietnam/India to the bottom!
Forget the cities, Japanese small towns NEEDS YOU

既然他们大学毕业后很可能找不到高薪工作,还会因为上大学而负债累累,那么我有个主意:
少关注大学,多关注行业和创业。
有很多家族企业都会因为当地没有人愿意在那里工作和继续经营而倒闭。
别上大学了,去传统的日本刀厂或其他高质量的日本家族企业工作吧。
日本拥有一支超级聪明、技能超级的劳动力队伍。日本可以在高质量、高端产品方面引领世界。不要去与中国/越南/印度一争高下!
忘掉城市吧,日本的小城镇需要你。

@blablup1214
Those many family businesses most of the time start at 7 in the morning and end at 22 ....
And many of them are like never on holiday.
Many of those businesses also have a strict hirachy and want you to have years of experience and in my opinion Japanese craftsman have a strange teaching system.
Those are most of the time no dream jobs.

那些家族企业的工作时间大多数时候从早上7点开始,到晚上22点结束 ....
他们中的许多人就像从不放假一样。
在我看来,日本工匠的教学体系也很奇怪。
在大多数情况下,这些都不是梦寐以求的工作。

@TokyoTraveller
@blablup1214 I understand, and I didn't know that those family businesses are so bad. But, I would rather have my daughter work there than work as a prostitute, even part time! I mean, at the family business, if they don't treat you well, you can spend 7-10 years learning the business, and with a loan or some money from the parents, start a small business of your own in the same field. I mean, being an office worker or salesman for a big company is miserable, too, even if you graduated a big university!! As owner, you will still work a ton of hours, but that's all businesses. And by working for a small family business, if you have some determination and some drive, at least there is the chance to work for yourself.

@blablup1214 我理解,我不知道那些家族企业这么糟糕。但是,我宁愿让我女儿在那里工作,也不愿意让她去当妓女,哪怕是兼职!我的意思是在家族企业里,如果他们对你不好,你可以花7到10年的时间学习这门生意,然后从父母那里贷一笔款或借一些钱,自己在同一领域做个小生意。我的意思是在大公司做办公室职员或销售员也是很悲惨的,即使你毕业于一所名牌大学!而作为老板,虽然你仍然会工作很长时间,但那是你自己的生意。通过在小型家族企业工作,如果你有决心和干劲,至少你还有机会为自己工作。

@JapanatGroundLevel
Thank you very much for this, Meshida. You have drawn attention to a little-known phenomenon in this country. I had no idea that the percentage of non-regular employment was so quite low. And thank you for explaining tough issues in such a calm and humorous way!

非常感谢你,你让人们注意到了这个国家一个鲜为人知的现象。我不知道日本非正规就业的比例如此之低。谢谢你用如此冷静和幽默的方式解释了棘手的问题!

@AnActualRealPotato
what really gets me is you have this nice japanese comedian who radiates good boy energy, and there are all these cutesy sound effects and visual effects which are pretty common in japanese youtube channels I guess, and the relaxing music, and then the subject matter is about systematic oppression of women in japan through capitalism

我真正感兴趣的是你是一个散发着好孩子能量的日本喜剧演员,你有所有这些可爱的声音效果和视觉效果,我猜这在日本的youtube频道中很常见,伴随着轻松的音乐,然后讲述的主题是关于日本通过资本主义对妇女的系统性压迫。

@guyh9992
The Sugar Daddy market is common throughout the West too, including in Australia where international students are faced with very expensive fees upfront. It is common for Asian students including Japanese to work in the sex industry here.
Australian students receive interest free loans that do not have to be paid back until they start working. That does not stop them working in the sex industry to cover their rent and other expenses.

西方的“糖爸”市场也很普遍,在澳大利亚也是如此,包括日本人在内的亚洲学生在这里从事性产业是很常见的。
澳大利亚学生可以获得免息贷款,在开始工作前无需偿还,但这并不妨碍他们从事色情行业以支付房租和其他费用。

@ilvpowerrangers
Well it's nice to know that the college problem we have here for the US is also there too. See this is why I hated school when I was a kid and still hate it now as an adult. It's all just meaningless to go through. See my job didn't need that because I found what people need I taught myself and the rest was easy.

好吧,很高兴知道美国也有上大学的问题,这就是为什么我小时候讨厌上学,现在长大了仍然讨厌的原因。这些都是毫无意义的经历,我的工作不需要这些,因为我发现人们需要什么,我就自学了什么,剩下的就很容易了。

@lixskywalker5417
I'd say our college problem is even worse. Nobody thought about student loan forgiveness until very recently. By now, it's too late to do so without also potentially taxing everybody to hell and back.

我觉得我们的大学问题更严重。直到最近,才有人想到要免除学生贷款。现在这样做已经太晚了,可能会让每个人都陷入困境。

@edvoon
The problem is that most Japanese companies, and Japanese society in general, are male-dominated. Women are expected to leave university, work a few years as an OL to find a suitable partner, then quit work to marry and become a housewife and mother. If they don't get married and want to continue their career, there is a very low glass ceiling that limits their work progression, and often find it difficult to even land a permanent job, no matter how qualified they are.
The smart ones end up learning another language and leaving Japan altogether for another country as they see no hope for them in Japan besides becoming a housewife.
All this is of course adding to Japan's demographic problems as those well-educated young women and their future children are forever lost to Japan.

问题在于大多数日本公司乃至整个日本社会都是由男性主导的。女性在大学毕业后,要先做几年OL,找到合适的伴侣,然后辞职结婚并成为家庭主妇和母亲。如果她们不结婚,想继续自己的职业生涯,那么就会有一个非常低的玻璃天花板限制了她们的工作发展。
聪明的人最终会学习另一门语言并离开日本去另一个国家,因为她们认识到在日本除了成为家庭主妇之外没有任何希望。
当然,这一切都加剧了日本的人口问题,因为这些受过良好教育的年轻女性和她们未来的孩子将永远离开日本。

@kakuzu4022
I knew the living in Japan and studying is expensive from personal research. I was looking for a Master or a simple course I could take there but after finding out the details, it seems like a wishful dream. I also made some research about why in Japan there is an increase of people who commit suicide because of the high workload & less pay which make dating and making a family impossible. Thanks to you, I understand a bit more about these circumstances as well, though I think it would have been pretty clear how things are if I thought some more about the discrepancies between full time and part time worker.
Personally, I keep Japan and its people in very high regard and I'm sure many other people from multiple countries do the same. It somehow pains me to know that such an popular place, full of unique culture goes through these hard times.

我通过个人调查了解到在日本生活和学习都很昂贵,我本想在那里读个硕士或简单的课程,但在了解了详细情况后,我觉得这似乎是一个一厢情愿的梦想。我还做了一些研究,了解了为什么日本自杀的人越来越多,因为工作量大、工资低,导致无法约会和成家。多亏了你,我对这些情况也有了更多的了解,不过我想如果我对全职员工和兼职员工之间的差异有更多的思考,就会很清楚事情是怎样的了。
就我个人而言,我非常尊重日本和日本人民,我相信许多其他国家的人也是如此。知道这样一个充满独特文化的受欢迎的地方正在经历这些艰难的时刻,我莫名地感到了痛苦。

 
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