法国唯一航母将退役?马克龙宣布建造一艘新航母

@lt.dashkov1079 Congrats for France! Working with this amazing nation is an honor. Seeong all of Europe rearm makes me happy. Show us the fighting spirit of Europeans!

祝贺法国！与这个了不起的国家合作是一种荣幸。看到整个欧洲重新武装让我感到高兴。展现出欧洲人的战斗精神吧！

@Calisto123123 First, the bots want Europe to defend itself, then they tell Europe there's really no need. In truth, this is what European power exertion looks like, not land grab but disgruntled bots and dictators. Thx France.

首先，机器人希望欧洲能够自我防卫，然后又告诉欧洲其实没必要。事实上，这就是欧洲实力的体现，不是领土争夺，而是愤怒的机器人和独裁者。谢谢法国。

@keith6371 you need at least 3 in order to be effective (1 on patrol, 1 in replemenishment, 1 in maintance)

你需要至少三艘才能有效运作（1艘在巡逻，1艘在补给，1艘在维护）。

@glacieractivity A salute from Norway to French friends. Thank you for making capacity for us all. And to you living in the mountains - in the Tartiflette we trust. Have wonderful holidays, dear French friends

来自挪威的致敬，感谢法国朋友们为我们创造的能力。对于生活在山区的人们——我们相信塔尔蒂弗莱特。亲爱的法国朋友们，祝你们假期愉快。

@jonpetter8921 The more european nation invest in this kind of arm the more safer is Europe.

越来越多的欧洲国家在这类武器上投资，欧洲就会更加安全。

@brianfoley3925 Yeah, that's like me saying I'm going to be fifty pounds lighter in four years...wanna bet on that?

是啊，这就像我说我打算在四年后轻50磅……你敢打赌吗？

@PatWells-u7l A large claymore positioned above the aircraft carrier which is activated by the light signiture of the supersonic missile could shread the missile. The detector aimed upwards and the claymore aimed to fire parallel to the ship. Have it on a tall mast. The timing between light activation and ball bearings covering the flight path with a broad spread just needs electronic timing.

在航空母舰上方放置一个大型阔剑地雷，利用超音速导弹的光信号激活，可以摧毁导弹。探测器向上瞄准，阔剑地雷瞄准平行于舰船发射。把它放在高杆上。光激活和钢珠覆盖飞行路径之间的时间只需要电子定时。

@larryjsmith2767 Why don't they actually make a real, full size aircraft carrier? 30 planes isn't that much when you look at the US's 90 planes.

他们为什么不真的建造一艘真正的全尺寸航空母舰呢？30架飞机在美国90架的对比下并不算多。

@roterotemedia This is obxtively good to replace capacity loss from the US. Currently France has to have one in maintenance and one out. Which creates a major problem in a war situation. Likewise means you effectively can only patrol one region at a time. This effectively doubles French capacity.

这客观上是个好消息，可以替代美国的能力损失。目前法国必须有一艘在维护，另一艘在外。这在战争情况下会造成重大问题。同样，这意味着你实际上只能同时巡逻一个地区。这有效地将法国的能力翻倍。

@1972Ray Most of Europe is flooded with US military equipment, as countries buy jets, and missile systems. 19 European nations fly the F-35. They aren't too worried about a temporary US President when it comes to military hardware.

大部分欧洲都充斥着美国的军事装备，各国购买战斗机和导弹系统。19个欧洲国家飞行F-35。他们对于临时的美国总统在军事硬件方面并不太担心。

@christianjunghanel6724 Did i miss something ? I thought this was already in motion years ago ! That they going to build a new one i mean ! What changed ?

我错过了什么吗？我以为这几年前就已经在进行中！他们说要建造新的，不是吗？有什么变化？

@agentgollem1919 it was already in motion yes but only the prepartion phase. now it became official, kinda just some politics really nothing changes except the public now knows about it

确实已经在进行中，只是处于准备阶段。现在它正式宣布了，实际上只是一点政治上的动作，除了公众现在知道这件事之外没有太大变化。

@tinman3586 It needs to be able to launch and recover planes simultaneously and be able to operate US F-18E/F and F-35C aircraft the same way Rafale aircraft can operate from US Navy carriers. If it can do that, it would prove far more useful than the new UK Queen Elizabeth aircraft carriers.

它需要能够同时发射和回收飞机，并且能够像阵风战斗机一样操作美国的F-18E/F和F-35C飞机。如果能做到这一点，它将比新的英国“伊丽莎白女王”号航空母舰更有用。

@ashercoo-hn5gk Making it will take up to a full decade so it's good that french r preparing in advance.

建造这艘航空母舰将需要整整十年时间，所以法国提前做好准备是好的。

@rjay5586 The EU needs to chip in aswell as this will be part of the EU naval force in the future!

欧盟也需要出资，因为这将成为未来欧盟海军的一部分！

@mof5490 I like how it being bigger than US’s is some how suppose to overshadowed the fact that US has 11 aircraft carriers which is half of all aircraft carriers in the world

我喜欢怎么说这艘航空母舰比美国的还大，似乎要掩盖美国拥有11艘航空母舰的事实，而这占据了全球一半的航空母舰。

@youjustreadthis897 Imagine what that 900 billion dollar annual "defence" budget could be spent on back home, on healthcare, education, infrastructure, etc Then maybe they wouldn't feel the need to overthrow governments by force to get what they wanted, and instead engage in healthy trade like China, Russia, and India have for example

想象一下，每年9000亿美元的“国防”预算如果用在国内，会花在医疗、教育、基础设施等方面会是什么样子。也许他们就不会觉得需要通过武力推翻政府来获得想要的东西，而是像中国、俄罗斯和印度那样进行健康的贸易。

@youjustreadthis897 It would most certainly eradicate the US's homeless problem in its major cities which is amongst the worse cases in the world

这肯定能消除美国在主要城市的无家可归者问题，这在世界上是最严重的情况之一。

@darksars3622 Its not over shadowing anything, its to work together in the thing called NATO

这并没有掩盖任何事情，而是为了在北约这个组织中共同合作。

@talentrecap3851 In hypersonic warfare aircraft carrier is sitting duck can only used for Showoff to world Neverless France should partner with India for collab we both do showoff together to Russia & China

在高超音速战争中，航空母舰就像是一只靶子，只能用于向世界炫耀。不过，法国应该与印度合作，我们可以一起对俄罗斯和中国展示实力。

@francoism2232 I think we should invest in submarines instead. I'm afraid that aircraft carriers are expensive and outdated weapons, given the effectiveness of drones and missiles

我认为我们应该投资潜艇。我担心航空母舰是昂贵且过时的武器，考虑到无人机和导弹的有效性。

@BillyBob-ri9pm Given Ukraine's extraordinary break through with maritime drones surface/submerged and the likelihood that this tech will be adapted go further in many nations, is this not a bit like commissioning a huge Battleship in 1939?

考虑到乌克兰在海洋无人机方面的非凡突破，无论是水面还是潜水，而且这种技术很可能会被许多国家进一步采用，这是否有点像是在1939年委托一艘巨大的战列舰？

@marccouasnon6973 When it comes out, the drone threat will no longer exist, then sink a building like this one, and you'll certainly get a little ‘nuclear’ bonus as a thank you...

当这艘航母建成时，无人机威胁将不复存在，那样的话，像这样的建筑肯定会被击沉，而你也会因此得到一点“核”奖励作为感谢……

@heartofoak45 The UK already have two world class aircraft carriers. What we need to do now, is similar to what Churchill suggested as regards capital ships in the then Empire. We now have the Anglospere Commonwealth in Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Canada, along with Australia and New Zealand, combined need to contribute two Aircraft Carriers along with a supporting battle fleet. Along with the two UK battle fleets we could encompass the world. The U.K. covering the the Baltic Sea together with the North and South Atlantic. Australia and New Zealand would cover the Indo-Pacific and Canada would cover the North Pacific. All those who would seek to do harm to western civilisation would be left in no doubt where they stood and would be contained within their own borders.

英国已经拥有两艘世界级航空母舰。我们现在需要做的是类似于丘吉尔当年关于帝国主义的主力舰的建议。我们现在有英联邦，包括加拿大、澳大利亚和新西兰。加拿大与澳大利亚和新西兰联合需要贡献两艘航空母舰和一支辅助战斗舰队。加上英国的两支战斗舰队，我们可以覆盖全球。英国负责波罗的海以及北大西洋和南大西洋的防务。澳大利亚和新西兰负责印太地区，加拿大则负责北太平洋。所有想要对西方文明造成伤害的人都会清楚他们的处境，并被限制在自己的边界内。

@JJ-si4qh What's the point of a tough military if your country is getting destroyed from the inside?

如果你的国家内部正在被摧毁，强大的军队有什么意义？

@KevinLu-w3j spend your own money to defend your own country is good thing to do

花自己的钱来捍卫自己的国家是件好事。

@Mmjk_12 France needs to build two, then with the Royal Navy Europe will have 4 fleet carriers, maybe they would build one for Italy too.

法国需要建造两艘，然后与皇家海军一起，欧洲将拥有四艘航母，也许他们还会为意大利建造一艘。

@pauldanielando The navy needs submarines not surface ships. A dozen fast attack nuke subs or 50 conventional subs could be had for the same cost as a new aircraft carrier and protect or close sea lanes in a better and safer way. New Anti-Ship Missiles and drones mean that no ship can operate within 400 kms of hostile land - unless it is a submarine.

海军需要潜艇，而不是水面舰艇。一打快速攻击的核潜艇或50艘常规潜艇的成本与一艘新航母相同，并且能够以更好更安全的方式保护或封锁海上航道。新的反舰导弹和无人机意味着没有船只可以在敌方陆地400公里以内作战——除非是潜艇。

@Hostessmoses War breaks out and what exactly are you going to send? Nuclear armed submarines? Your first choice is to nuke them? Is that what you are saying. Yes, I know there are SSGN subs that don't carry nukes.. but still, submarines are pretty limited when it comes to conflicts. Aircraft Carriers serve a great function. They transport Aircraft that can do a large variety of attack and defense missions. Plus there are a handful of munitions within the Navy and Aircraft themselves that can take out Anti-Ship missiles and even drones.

战争爆发时，你到底准备派什么？核武器装备的潜艇吗？你的第一选择就是用核武器打击他们？这是你的意思吗？是的，我知道有些不携带核弹头的SSGN潜艇……但在冲突中，潜艇的作用确实有限。航空母舰则发挥着重要功能。它们可以运输飞机，执行多种攻击和防御任务。此外，海军内部还有一些弹药和飞机能够击落反舰导弹甚至无人机。

@kurousagi8155 France needs both more surface ships and submarines. Without drop tanks, a Rafale M has a combat radius of 500km. Which means that it can reach about half the world’s population if the carrier is 400km away from the shoreline.

法国需要更多的水面舰艇和潜艇。没有外挂油箱的阵风M战斗机的作战半径为500公里。这意味着如果航母距离海岸线400公里，它可以覆盖大约全球一半的人口。

@bobbytay167 if J10 can easily defeat rafale then its a good time for france to upgrade

如果J10能够轻松击败阵风，那么法国现在是时候升级了。

@TheBooban If they say it costs $10 billion now, it will really cost $20 billion in the end.

如果他们说现在的成本是100亿美元，最终真的会花费200亿美元。

@goobersmoochers1553 Wild. The U.S. tells Europe it needs to take itself seriously, build up its military, and it really took the U.S. taking steps toward isolationism. Then all of a sudden they want to arm up. If Europe would’ve listened the first time, we’d all be hunky dory 8 years ago, Europe would’ve been more prepared, and Russia would have been more reluctant to go into Ukraine.

真疯狂。美国告诉欧洲需要认真对待自己，增强军事力量，而这正好是在美国采取孤立主义措施的时候。然后突然之间，他们想要武装自己。如果欧洲能在第一次就听取建议，八年前我们都会过得很好，欧洲会更有准备，而俄罗斯也会更不愿意入侵乌克兰。

@EuropeanOnion They are punching above their weight. Still thinking they are a major colonial power. I don’t see the need to project power abroad. Let alone with just 30 planes

他们有点超出自己的能力范围。仍然认为自己是一个主要的殖民大国。我看不出有必要将力量投射到国外，更何况只有30架飞机。

@Joelmonterrey Good work, France! Sorry we let you down and became braindead but we will be back to help you always! Hello from Arkansas, USA!

干得好，法国！抱歉我们让你失望了，变得无能，但我们会回来永远支持你的！来自美国阿肯色州的问候！

@DC-ux1dt well done france.lets give america and russia the finger. remember to build long range anti aircraft missiles aswell...

干得好，法国。让我们给美国和俄罗斯一个中指。记得也要建造远程防空导弹……

@marccouasnon6973 We are working on it, and some are already in the testing phase, very advanced.

我们正在努力，有些已经进入测试阶段，非常先进。

@timmyhexham9603 Remember, the only reason you’re able to raise your finger is because of the sacrifice of those that fought for you when you couldn’t.

记住，你们能抬起中指的唯一原因是因为那些为你们战斗、而你们无能为力的人所做出的牺牲。

@Samayil_2024 These are obsolete. There is a reason US did not send carriars to yemen. They work only as long as enemy does not attack them.

这些已经过时了。美国没有向也门派遣航母是有原因的。它们只有在敌人不攻击时才有效。

@matthew_baynham Hypersonic missiles sound cool but the aircraft carrier is only 320 meters long, so if the missile is travelling multiple times the speed of sound how will it hit such a small target. Think of the numbers, these hypersonic missile are doing about 2000-5000 mph, so hiting a target 0.2 of a mile long but narrow, that's difficult.

高超音速导弹听起来很酷，但航空母舰只有320米长，所以如果导弹的速度是音速的多倍，怎么能打中这么小的目标呢？想想这些数字，这些高超音速导弹的速度在2000到5000英里每小时之间，打中一个长度为0.2英里但很窄的目标是困难的。

@Samayil_2024 Computers calculate all that. And you dont have enough time to go mobile when they are fired.

电脑可以计算所有这些。当导弹发射时，你没有足够的时间去机动。

@joem0088 Macron wants to delay people pensions so he can build carriers ? The new Napoleon !

马克龙想推迟人们的养老金，以便他能建造航母？新拿破仑！

@MichaelGlusko As a projection of power at times perhaps they have a place. In a future large conflict their vulnerability to hypersonic missiles and drones is not looking so good.

作为一种力量投射，在某些时候它们或许有一席之地。在未来的大规模冲突中，它们对高超音速导弹和无人机的脆弱性看起来并不乐观。

@nycknickerbockers6427 At least they’re not going with the likes of those British carriers with ramps. Ramps..

至少他们没有采用那些带斜坡的英国航母。斜坡……

@mattwho81 The big problem is currently the only jet for this carrier is Rafale. A fine 4th Gen plane but soon to be operating in a stealth dominated field. With the FCAS failure France either has to either fund developing a stealth carrier jet alone, or swallow its pride and buy F35c.

目前最大的麻烦是这艘航母唯一的战斗机是阵风。这是一架优秀的第四代飞机，但很快将在隐形主导的领域中作战。随着FCAS的失败，法国要么必须单独资助开发一种隐形舰载机，要么吞下自尊购买F35C。

@darkozver5801 Just one ain’t gonna cut it. For a successful power projection at least 6 are needed.

只有一架是不够的。要实现成功的力量投射，至少需要6艘。

@daikucoffee5316 They should build multiple drone carriers instead. Cheaper, more redundant more available, more dispersed.

他们应该建造多个无人机航母。这样更便宜、更具冗余性、可用性更高、分散性更好。

@bariman223 France had been planning on having two carriers since the 1980s, they just couldn't afford it. Based on what I've seen and heard, they still can't. I'm not French, though. Anyone with insight?

法国自1980年代以来就计划拥有两艘航母，只是负担不起。根据我看到和听到的，他们现在仍然不能。我不是法国人，有谁能提供一些见解吗？

@ultranoobpromaxinfinity Better feed homeless on streets of Paris France instead of warmongering

与其让巴黎街头的无家可归者受苦，还不如停止战争挑衅。

@jascrandom9855 The EU needs a unified Military. It would be better if the costs of such systems were spread among all EU members rather than just French tax payers.

欧盟需要一个统一的军事力量。如果这样的系统成本能够在所有欧盟成员之间分摊，而不仅仅是法国纳税人承担，那将更好。

@TomislavPuklin-b3w No money for pensions, but there's always money for war machines. We increase defense spending in EU on the count of a manufactured threat of Russia "conquering" Europe and tell the workers to pick up the tab for the defense contractors.

没有钱用于养老金，但总是有钱用于战争机器。我们在欧盟增加国防开支，理由是俄罗斯“征服”欧洲的虚构威胁，并告诉工人们为国防承包商买单。

@hyperblade001 This is France. It'll likely take 30 years years to build, costs billions over budget, delayed, strikes, etc. It'll never get done.

这就是法国。建造可能需要30年，超出预算数十亿，拖延、罢工等等。这永远不会完成。

@occupyscience-9479 The stupidest of moves. In the nuclear era, all resources should go to diplomacy ! Looking from afar, my belief is that the logical course, is creating an Eurasian conglomerate EU + Russia. A second conglomerate could be the Americas, A third China plus south Asia,and a muslim area in the near east. These are not borders, these are responsibilities. Can anyone have an answer to what will happen when sea level rises by a meter? Those who rule the world are encapsulated in their ego, completely neglect the needs of people. They are so arrogantly ignorant to what science says. The next 30 years will decide whether humanity will survive. The course our elites are on, leads to hell on earth. First step : dismantle the system ! second dethrone the rich. Third care for the people.

这是最愚蠢的举动。在核时代，所有资源都应该投入外交！从远处看，我相信合乎逻辑的做法是创建一个欧亚联合体，即欧盟和俄罗斯。第二个联合体可以是美洲，第三个则是中国加南亚，以及近东的穆斯林地区。这些不是边界，而是责任。对于海平面上升一米后会发生什么，谁能给出答案？统治世界的人被他们的自我封闭所困扰，完全忽视了人们的需求。他们如此傲慢无知，完全不顾科学所说的。接下来的30年将决定人类是否能够生存。我们精英们所走的道路，将通向地狱。第一步：拆解系统！第二步：推翻富人。第三步：关心人民。

@HolisticHealthEducation So, no pension funds and medical care, for the citizens of France???

那么，法国的公民没有养老金和医疗保健吗？

@PomaReign How will France afford it when it can't even afford its pension for its citizens.

法国怎么能负担得起这一切，连公民的养老金都负担不起。

@robertwang7825 Yeah it wld take 15 yrs or more and already obsolete due to hypersonic missiles development. Not to mention a bankrupt France.

是啊，这将需要15年或更长时间，而且由于高超音速导弹的发展，已经过时。更不用说法国已经破产了。

@rodneyagesa1851 Spend that money on paying pensions instead of wasting it on useless wars that you never win.

把钱花在支付养老金上，而不是浪费在你们永远赢不了的无用战争上。

@patthonsirilim5739 france needs 2 carrier like the uk to have persistent power projection the charles de gaulle has shown the weakness of a 1 carrier nation they rotate from being respectable naval power to coastal power every time the carrier is off its deployment this means enemy can target french oversea interest at the the opertune timing they can build a new one but they should keep the charles de gaulle so they can have a tier 1 carrier and tier 2 carrier group

法国需要两艘航母，就像英国一样，以实现持续的力量投射。戴高乐号已经显示出一个航母国家的弱点，每次航母不在部署时，法国的海军实力就从可敬的海军强国变成了沿海国家。这意味着敌人可以在适当的时候打击法国的海外利益。他们可以建造一艘新的航母，但应该保留戴高乐号，这样他们可以有一艘一级航母和一艘二级航母群

@Robert-xy4xi Macron doesn't have to worry about financing an aircraft carrier. Macron will be long gone from office. One carrier isn't enough anyway. The current CDG is a example. France with the highest debt to GDP in the Eurozone. The lowest retirement age and the most generous pensions in Europe, which is unsustainable. Will other Eurozone members be paying for all this.

马克龙不必担心为航母融资。航母融资时马克龙已经离任。一艘航母根本不够。目前的戴高乐号就是个例子。法国的债务占GDP比在欧元区中最高，退休年龄最低，养老金在欧洲中最慷慨，这种情况是不可持续的。其他欧元区成员会为这一切买单吗？

@CEOofCulturalMarxism I do not see how this would be usefull against russia. Europe really does not suffer from a lack of airfields.

我看不出这对俄罗斯有什么用。欧洲真的不缺乏机场。

@markb637 Completely buried in debt to the point they almost have a debt crisis but yet they will spend a gazillion on a new aircraft carrier that can be easily destroyed by a swarm of drones

完全陷入债务，几乎快要出现债务危机，但他们却会花费巨额资金在一艘容易被无人机群摧毁的新航母上。

@chigeryelam4061 10 Billion for just one carrier, then add the aircraft, drones, support ships, port facilities etc etc. Rafale won't cut it in 2038 so they'll need to get a move on with FCAS. So double the 10 billion and then double that again because these things never stay on budget. Bon chance mon amis.

仅仅一艘航母就要100亿美元，再加上飞机、无人机、支援舰艇、港口设施等等。到2038年，阵风战斗机将不再够用，所以他们需要尽快推进FCAS项目。所以把100亿美元翻倍，然后再翻倍，因为这些东西从来不会按预算进行。祝你好运，我的朋友。

@f9gbvc I’m with the French army general. France needs to pivot to Ukraine-like drone warfare for future non-nuclear wars - and they need to do it yesterday.

我支持那位法国军官。法国需要转向类似乌克兰的无人机战争，以应对未来的非核战争——而且他们需要尽早采取行动。

@mamoudkargbo2156 France should invest in missiles the carrier is an easy prey from missiles attack even by the weaker nonconventional armies not to talk about missile powers like Iran Russia China etc etc

法国应该投资导弹，航母在导弹攻击下很容易成为猎物，即使是来自较弱的非常规军队，更不用说像伊朗、俄罗斯、中国等拥有导弹能力的国家了。