印度能否在世界舞台上挑战美国和中国？（一）

@bobbylow175
The Indian host is frustrated. She only wants to hear the guest saying India is great but he is not saying that.

印度主持人很沮丧，她只想听嘉宾说印度很伟大，但他没这么说。

@markc6140
The host is no difference to the hawkish anti-China Palki with Firstpost. They only sing India praises but did not acknowledge its shortcomings in many areas and will it be improved. Always obsessed to beat China. Simple question- how many gold medal did India won since she joined the Olympic competition. From sports achievements, you can tell how great a country has excelled.

这位主持人跟Firstpost的反华鹰派Palki没什么不同。她们只唱印度的赞歌，却不承认印度在许多领域的不足以及是否会改进。她们总是痴迷于击败中国。一个简单的问题——印度自参加奥运会以来拿了多少金牌？从体育成就就能看出一个国家的卓越程度。

@jrkr7357
Go visit New Delhi and see its roads and traffic, you will know what India can achieve.
Every capable Indian talent wants to leave India for English-speaking countries like Canada, US, Australia ...etc.

去新德里看看它的道路和交通，你就知道印度能做到什么。
每个有能力的印度人才都想离开印度，去加拿大、美国、澳大利亚等英语国家。

@vbandhakavi
I am an Indian, still I find this host (like many other Indian TV and poscast hosts) to be annoying. The title itself is annoying.- "Can India challenge US and China?" They always want to challenge some super power. I don't see a German/French/Malaysian/etc... asking a similar question. She started the interview without giving even a brief introduction to the guest. Honestly, i don't know why the guest agreed to appear on a podcast, where the host appears to have a set of standard questions and processing them one after the other. Honestly, i don't even know how I ended up at this channel. Must be a YouTube algorithm glitch. I just heard her say "more better".

我是个印度人，但依然觉得这个主持人（像许多其他印度电视和播客主持人一样）很烦人。标题本身就烦人——“印度能挑战美国和中国吗？”他们总是想挑战某个超级大国。我没见过德国人、法国人、马来西亚人等提出类似的问题。她开始采访时甚至没给嘉宾做个简单的介绍。说实话，我不知道嘉宾为什么会同意上这个播客，主持人似乎有一套标准问题，一个接一个地问。说真的，我都不知道怎么点进这个频道的，可能是YouTube的算法出错了。我刚听到她说“more better”。

@WongPeter-tx7qq
"The Chinese nation, is the most patient in the world; it thinks of centuries as other nations think of decades. It is essentially indestructible, and can afford to wait." -from the book "The Problem of China" written by Bertrand Russell, the great British philosopher, back in 1920 while he spent a year in China teaching in the Peking University.

“中华民族是世界上最有耐心的民族；它以世纪为单位思考，而其他国家以十年为单位。它本质上不可摧毁，且有耐心等待。”——摘自英国伟大哲学家伯特兰·罗素1920年写的《中国的难题》，当时他在北京大学教书一年。

@solu100

这个世界陷入了疯狂的谬论，即：中国行我也行，中国能造我也能造。简直不可理喻。超级大国的门槛这么低吗？我来自中国广东。我在此断言:印度永远成不了超级大国，因为其工业实力薄弱，种姓制度，文字语言都是个很麻烦的问题。你们自己想想看，莫迪的演讲全国14亿人口只有2亿多人口能听得懂，这得多恐怖。印度独立至今，军工产业不扎实，全靠买，是全世界出了名的杂牌军，万国造，无法独立自给。军事强国不是靠买出来的。印度想改变这个局势唯有祈祷出现一个强人（例如中国2000多年前的第一个皇帝:秦始皇。始皇帝是第一位统一了全中国的皇帝，他统一了度量衡，统一了文字，统一了语言），把全国从上到下来一次大换血。去除种姓制度，统一全国的语言文字才有希望。没有人一生下来就是所谓的高种姓，低种姓，理应人人平等，否则印度很难甚至永远无法成为超级大国。印度看似独立建国了，其实不然，其90%的印度人只是换个方式被高种姓的人奴役罢了。

@Pura70Ultra
The issue with respect to ASEAN-India, is that India doesn't have much to offer ASEAN that ASEAN doesn't produce itself. Some agricultural products, some cheap metal product, some pharmaceuticals. India needs ASEAN more than ASEAN needs India, however ASEAN needs China more than ASEAN needs India.

关于东盟与印度的关系，问题在于印度能提供给东盟的东西（包括一些农产品、一些廉价的金属制品、一些药品等）东盟自己就能生产。印度比东盟更需要东盟，而东盟比起印度更需要中国。

@sbs2047
It's like a child keeps asking a grown up, "how can I become Superman?", and the grownup keeps politely evading a straight answer because they don't want to break the kid's little heart.

就像一个小孩不停地问大人：“我怎么才能成为超人？”而大人总是礼貌地回避直接回答，因为他们不想伤了孩子的小小心灵。

@petergohtek5842
The Chinese are very humbled and hardworking people that makes China so successful.

中国人非常谦逊和勤奋，这让中国如此成功。

@amimi-ricky
Why do Indians aspire to become a superpower so eagerly? In China, few people mention the desire for the country to become a superpower. Even now, the vast majority of Chinese people do not consider China to be a superpower already. The Chinese are more focused on improving their own lives and the nation's rejuvenation and development, rather than becoming a so-called superpower.
Becoming a superpower is not a goal, but a natural outcome of national development.

为什么印度人如此渴望成为超级大国？在中国，很少有人提到希望国家成为超级大国。即使现在，绝大多数中国人也不认为中国已经是超级大国。中国人更专注于改善自己的生活以及国家的复兴和发展，而不是成为所谓的超级大国。
成为超级大国不是目标，而是国家发展的自然结果。

@rishikeshaishwarya4099
Yes I agree
India has to look internally and solve all the internal problems
Focus on increasing capital expenditures and reducing revenue expenditure and basic infrastructure
But at the same time should also focus on high-tech like AI, semiconductor, nanotechnology etc
There is no point in looking too much in external world before one has made strong from internally.

我同意。
印度必须先向内看，解决所有内部问题，
专注于增加资本支出、减少经常性支出和基础建设，
但与此同时，也应该关注人工智能、半导体、纳米技术等高科技。
在内部尚未强大之前，过多关注外部世界毫无意义。

@person1858
@amimi-ricky I think your claim itself is incorrect. Chinese people's attitudes are not that different from ours, they're just as nationalistic. Just that you don't hear as much from them due to their internet being seperated from the rest of the world.

我认为你的说法本身就不对。中国人的态度和我们没有太大的差别，他们同样具有民族主义。只是因为他们的网络与世界其他地方隔开了，你听到的不多。

@kofiadade7808
@person1858 After living in China the last 2 decades, the Chinese are very different from Indians and thats a fact. Forget about the internet, the people are focus3d on themselves and dont consider their current place in the world as having attained a super power status. They still say they are a developing nation so this is what drives them yet Indians see themselves as almost a super power yet again this is a very disturbing illusion that has to stop. India sure can be an important player on the world stage but they must first look at lifting the over 900million poor people out of abject poverty and raise the level of education.

在过去二十年里生活在中国后，我认为中国人与印度人非常不同，这是事实。别提网络，中国人专注于自身，不认为自己目前在世界上已达到超级大国的地位。他们仍然说自己是发展中国家，这是驱动他们的动力。而印度人却觉得自己几乎是个超级大国，这种令人不安的幻觉必须停止。印度当然可以在世界舞台上成为重要的角色，但他们必须先致力于让超过9亿贫困人口摆脱极端贫困并提升教育水平。

@dharamewada6922
Exactly boss, Indians per se are not bothered but are busy improving their life, it is basically media and politicians who are a bit obsessed with it may be trying to project but to some extent it is required but not go over board.

完全正确，老板，印度人本身并不在意这些，他们忙于改善生活，主要是媒体和政客对此有些痴迷，他们可能是想对外展示，但适度是必要的，不能太过火。

@advaitaveda5671
Chinese have a very high opinion of themselves while sqeemishly saying they are still a developing country. The whole world started being apprehensive of Beijing when they started punching above their weight back in 2012 itself. They sort of toned down the rhetoric of being a great power after they saw the west's reaction to their assertive Posturing. I'm not saying if that attitude is good or bad. I think any country should be free to indulge themselves in any kind of superiority or delusions of greatness they want as long as it won't affect others. But unfortunately that's not the case especially with a country like US. And obviously the backlash to Chinese assertion was quick and strong from the west and its media and interestingly Chinese also kinda stopped their assertive Posturing overtime and that was more apparent in covid and after covid. Chinese Ppl mocking India during those hard times that they begot upon the world was some peak levels of superiority complex. Don't trust them when they say they are humble thats kinda bs actually. They are low key racist under scrutiny and full on bigots when allowed to be.

中国人对自己评价很高，却扭捏地说自己还是发展中国家。早在2012年，当他们开始展现超乎自身实力的姿态时，全世界就对北京产生了戒心。他们看到西方对其强势姿态的反应后，稍微收敛了大国的言辞。我不是说这种态度好坏与否，我认为任何国家都应该自由地沉迷于任何优越感或伟大的幻觉，只要不影响他人即可。但不幸的是，情况并非如此，尤其是像美国这样的国家。显然，西方及其媒体对中国的强势姿态反应迅速而强烈，有趣的是中国人也在新冠疫情及其后逐渐停止了强势姿态，这一点更为明显。在那些艰难的时期，中国人嘲笑印度，显示出了极端的优越感，这是他们给世界带来的印象。别相信他们说自己谦逊，那其实有点扯。这些人骨子里带着种族歧视，一旦逮着机会就会彻底暴露偏执嘴脸。

@pikachus5m166
@advaitaveda5671 You just described India to a T, and to a lesser but similar extent, the US. And it's so obvious India plays to the US tune. If anyone is being assertive, it's the US with their pivot to Asia in 2011, and with Modi coming to power, gladly playing second fiddle to American primacy, especially with regards to the Galwan conflict, to follow up on rhe Doklam dispute a few years earlier, prompted by Hindutva nationalism and egged on by Trumps policy of confrontation. As for Covid, that failed as intended US bioweapon attack on China, again, India diligently played second fiddle. It was Indian scientists who first discovered the HIV insertions of this bioengineered virus, but as soon as that was revealed, it was withdrawn, due to "insufficient data", obviously because it countered the US narrative. And then after Feb 2020 Trumps state visit, like an obedient vassal, Modi planned the Galwan provocation. As for the Covid virus that struck India a full 18mths after wuhan, it bore no direct relation to that strain, rather several mutated variants on, and India loathe to admit, from rhe West, particularly from the EU. So keep playing the victim due to your own failings and siding with a declining hegemon, Chinas about progress and will leave India further behind in the dust.

你描述的完全就是印度，某种程度上也适用于美国，只是程度稍轻。显然，印度在跟着美国的调子走。如果说谁在强势，那是从2011年开始重返亚洲战略的美国，而莫迪上台后，乐于做美国霸权的附庸，特别是在加勒万冲突以及延续了几年前由印度教民族主义推动并受特朗普的对抗政策怂恿的洞朗争端中。至于新冠病毒，那是美国针对中国的生物武器攻击失败了，印度又一次勤勤恳恳地当了附庸。印度科学家最先发现了这种生物工程病毒的HIV插入片段，但一公布就因“数据不足”被撤回，这显然因为这与美国的叙事相悖。2020年2月特朗普对印度进行国事访问后，莫迪像个听话的附庸策划了加勒万挑衅。至于18个月后袭击印度的新冠病毒，它与武汉的毒株并无直接关联，而是几个变异毒株，印度不愿承认它实际上来自西方，尤其是欧盟。所以，印度继续扮演因自身失败而受害者的角色，站在衰落的霸权一边，而中国则专注于进步，将把印度远远甩在尘土中。

@73oxen
Comparing China and India, is like comparing US and Indonesia. same population but not comparable at all. Its not *** bots, its reality.

拿中国和印度相比，就像拿美国和印尼对比——人口相当却完全不可同日而语。这不是中G的水军说的，而是铁一般的事实。

@ScanHong
The biggest issue is that if the Indian and Indonesian don't work at all, their lands provide everything for their lives. But in China and the US, if people are not hard working they will be hungry.

最大的问题是如果印度人和印尼人完全不工作，他们的土地能提供生活所需的一切。但在中国和美国，如果人们不努力工作，他们就会挨饿。

@WongPeter-tx7qq
@ScanHong Population stays poor in an economy with subsistence farming. They broke their backs working on the field. Tell me how many small farmers became bankrupted and committed suicide in India every year.

在以自给农业为主的经济中，人民在田间劳作到筋疲力尽，但他们依然贫困。告诉我，印度每年有多少小农破产并自杀。

@dl8935
I have been to India three times in the past ten years.
The reason I went to India was to assess the business environment in India.
My assessment of India is that it is at least fifty years behind East Asian countries.
The people of this country do not have any credibility at all.
There is a saying in my country about investing in India: Make money in India and spend it in India, don't even dare to think about taking a penny home.
Overall, this country has no hope.

过去十年我去过印度三次。
我去印度的原因是评估那里的营商环境。
我对印度的评估是它至少落后东亚国家五十年。
这个国家的人完全没有信誉。
我的国家有句关于在印度投资的说法：印度赚钱印度花，一分别想带回家。
总的来说，这个国家没有希望。

@CC-rd9wj
Not only behind China and US. Some countries in south east Asia ie Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand are much much better than India in terms of infrastructure, cleanliness, civil sense etc too.

不仅落后于中国和美国。东南亚的一些国家，如新加坡、马来西亚、泰国，在基础设施、清洁度和公民意识等方面也远超印度。

@teresaho4092
I respect the speaker. He is brutally frank and honest. His view is cogent and realistic, no bullshit nor flattery. He highlighted Chinese prowess in various spheres and her long term planning that India lacked, much to the disappointment of the Indian host.

我尊重这位演讲者。他直言不讳，诚实坦率。他的观点清晰而现实，没有废话也不阿谀奉承。他强调了中国在各领域的实力及其长期规划，而印度在这方面有所欠缺，这让印度主持人颇为失望。

@maxdc888
The male speaker is not Indian. He is a Swiss citizen, named Claude Smadja. He mentioned a few times that his country is Switzerland.

男演讲者不是印度人，他是瑞士公民，名叫Claude Smadja。他多次提到他的国家是瑞士。

@bprajubp
Why any country should be a superpower. No need. One should have quality life. That's enough.

为什么任何国家都要成为超级大国？没必要。拥有高质量的生活就足够了。

@lyttlebee
When it costs more to do your laundry using washing machines than by someone's hands, you talk about "quality life"?

当用洗衣机洗衣服比人工洗还贵时，你还谈什么“高质量的生活”？

@sportszone9159
@bprajubp one should have quality life of most of the people in a big country that country automatically become superpower.

在一个大国里，如果大多数人都拥有高质量的生活，那个国家自然会成为超级大国。

@justhomas67
I wonder how a country can be superpower that is with 85% of its population still live below the subsahara living standard.

我想知道一个85%的人口生活水平低于撒哈拉以南地区的国家怎么能成为超级大国。

@parimlk
85%? Which country are you referring to?

85%？你指的是哪个国家？

@imadkhaliq2941
@parimlk truth hurts and Godi media doesn't show the reality. If it makes you happy then let me say India is the super power and Indian are the richest people in the Universe.

真相很伤人，Godi媒体不展示现实。如果这能让你开心，那我说印度是超级大国，印度人是宇宙中最富有的人。

@JestoniPalma
@parimlk isnt it obvious? Its india ffs...india gdp per capita is equal to sub saharan africa...it means an average indian income is that of a third world country...��

不是显而易见吗？说的就是印度啊……印度的人均GDP和撒哈拉以南的非洲相当，这意味着普通印度人的收入是第三世界国家的水平……

@parimlk
@JestoniPalma I agree that per capita income is less compared to other countries. But things have changed from 10-20’years. For example apple factory has also built accommodation for workers. If government mandates such facilities for all manufacturing jobs then standard of living will go high. There is lot of work to do but it can only get better going forward.

我同意印度的人均收入比其他国家低，但过去10到20年情况已有所改变。例如，苹果的工厂还为工人建造了宿舍。如果政府强制要求所有制造业企业提供此类设施，生活水平就会提高。虽然还有很多工作要做，但未来只会更好。

@parimlk
@JestoniPalma government of India gives basic healthcare free. Basic education free basic food is very cheap thru ration card. If you are in Karnataka transportation for women is free. If you save for kids education interest rate is high. Higher for girl child. Women of the household gets a stipend from government. You should consider all this.

印度政府提供免费的基本医疗、免费的基础教育，通过配给卡提供非常便宜的基本食品。如果你在卡纳塔克邦，女性乘坐公共交通免费。如果为孩子的教育储蓄，利率很高，女孩更高。家庭中的女性还能从政府获得津贴。你应该考虑这些。

@liujuxiang6214
The expert’s analysis was very accurate, but it was not what the blogger expected. From her expression, you can tell that she was very disappointed, because in the perception of Indians, India is already a superpower.

专家的分析非常准确，但这不是博主期望的，从她的表情可以看出她非常失望，因为在印度人的认知中，印度已经是超级大国。

@charttrakarn3438
She is no different from Palki Sharma who wants to hear from the guest that India is a Super Power. But she was disappointed just like Palki, the guest said only 2 countries only China and the US.

她和Palki Sharma没什么不同，她们都想听嘉宾说印度是超级大国。但她和Palki一样失望，因为嘉宾只提了两个国家：中国和美国。

@jakblu5411
This gentleman warned this lady more than once: Don't mess with China, concentrate on doing your own thing, you are not on the same level as China, but it is obvious that this woman completely ignored this point.

这位先生多次警告这位女士：别和中国较劲，专注于做好自己的事，你们和中国的水平不在一个层次，但显然这位女士完全忽略了这一点。

@jackyhuang8789
That’s same thinking of India government, desperately want to become the superpower by challenging other countries, never calculate the cost. Should watch more BBC, always think about “at what cost”��

这和印度政府的想法一样，拼命想通过挑战其他国家成为超级大国，却从不计算成本。她们应该多看BBC，多想想“代价是什么”。