查理・柯克枪击案凶手首次线下出庭受审，美国网友在评论区提起了阴谋论

Hustlasaurus
I've been wondering what's going on with this dude.
我一直琢磨这家伙到底咋回事呢。

supercyberlurker
It's kind of weird we haven't heard more about him, more narratives, etc.
Seems almost like the authorities are all "uhh.. let's just.. prosecute and move on" for some reason.
挺怪的，关于他我们没听到更多消息，也没听到更多说法啥的。
不知道为啥，感觉当局就像是在说 “呃…… 咱就…… 起诉然后接着往下走”。

shifty_coder
It’s awfully strange that Mangione was paraded through the streets in cuffs, but this guy has practically been hidden from the public since his arrest.
曼吉奥内戴着手铐被游街示众，可这家伙自从被捕后几乎就没在公众面前露过面，这太奇怪了。（注：路易吉・曼吉奥内，12・4 美国企业高管遭枪击身亡案嫌疑人）

turb0_encapsulator
what bout the guy who supposedly attempted to kill Trump? Why do we know 10000x as much about a guy killed a healthcare CEO than a guy who attempted to kill the President and supposedly shot his hear?
那个据说要刺杀特朗普的人咋没消息了？为啥我们对一个杀了医疗公司 CEO 的人了解得，比对一个据说要刺杀总统还射中他耳朵的人多一万倍呢？

Neato-Mosquito_
Valid. This slipped my mind, thanks for pointing it out.
有道理。我都忘了这事儿，多谢提醒。

SkyrimDovahkiin
Its insane that a potential presidential assassination can so easily fall out of the public eye nowadays.
现在一起可能的总统暗杀事件居然这么容易就从公众视线里消失，太离谱了。

InsanityRequiem
Because the person attempted assassination of Trump was proven to be in the same political sphere as Trump. Conservative.
That’s the key thing why these attempted political killings fade away so fast, because the would be (or successful) murderers are proven to be conservative. The media does not want to parade conservatives as terrorists, but will gladly parade false narratives that progressives/centrists are evil.
因为那个试图暗杀特朗普的人被证实和特朗普是同一政治阵营的。是保守派。
这就是为啥这些未遂的政治暗杀事件这么快就没人提了，因为那些潜在（或成功）的凶手被证实是保守派。媒体可不想把保守派宣扬成恐怖分子，但却很乐意传播进步派 / 中间派是坏人这种不实说法。

cupittycakes
Wasn't a Democrat legislative member and her husband gundowned at their own front door?! (Nah, I know, just can't remember the specific details) And I believe their daughter survived; then he went on to attempt to kill another Dem legislator that same morning.
Now THAT is Crazy Work.These people were public servants, doing their job that constitutes voted for them to do. But many crickets on the maga side. Instead they are flapping feathers and trying to martyr some irrelevant asshole. These kinds of crimes seem to feed future perpetrators. They KNOW that, yet continue to ooze violent rhetoric.
Oh, and we all should collectively ignore any of that CK/EK banter. Like, go off sis, but we got real fish to fry. We heard you, thank you, next!
是不是有个民主党议员和她丈夫在自家前门被枪杀了？！（不，我知道，就是记不清具体细节了）我记得他们女儿活下来了；然后同一天早上，凶手还试图刺杀另一位民主党议员。
这事儿太疯狂了。这些人都是公职人员，在做选民选他们来做的工作。但 maga们却没啥动静。反而在那大惊小怪，还想把某个不相干的混蛋捧成烈士。这类犯罪好像会助长以后的犯罪行为。他们明明知道，却还一个劲儿地说些暴力言论。
哦，咱们都别理查理・柯克和埃丽卡・柯克那些废话。就好比，你说你的吧，姐们儿，但咱有正经事儿要做。我们听到你说的了，谢了，下一个！

Teanutt
He murdered Melissa Hortman her husband and their dog and shot John Hoffman and his wife. He had also gone to another legislators home and I don't recall if she just wasn't home or if he left because police were in the area.
他杀了梅利莎・霍特曼、她丈夫和他们的狗，还枪击了约翰・霍夫曼和他妻子。他还去过另一个议员家，我不记得是那议员不在家，还是因为警察在附近他就走了。

（注：梅莉萨・霍特曼，明尼苏达州已故民主党人，倡导交通、环境权、堕胎权、警察改革和枪支管制政策，还是该州太阳能标准的主要制定者。2025 年 6 月 14 日，霍特曼及其丈夫在家中被枪杀，当局称这是一起政治暴力行为。
约翰・霍夫曼，明尼苏达州参议院第 36 区议员。2025 年 6 月 14 日，他和妻子在家中遭到枪手袭击，两人身中多枪，后被送往医院救治。同一枪手随后枪杀了明尼苏达州众议员梅利莎・霍特曼及其丈夫。）

feral_mushroom
What's crazy to me is the fact that we know how the internet feels about dogs, especially labradors...yet a lot of the usual "i care more about dogs than humans" types were dead silent.
让我觉得奇怪的是，我们都知道网上的人对狗，尤其是拉布拉多犬有多关注…… 但很多平时老说 “我爱狗胜过爱人” 的人，这次却一声不吭。

SuspiciousCranberry6
I'm proud of most of the people on thr Minnesota sub who were horrified at the assassination of Melissa and Mark Hortman, then even more incensed when they found out Gilbert was killed too. Gilbert was such a sweet boy he failed out of service dog training because he loved people too much. May the scum who took their lives never feel another day of peace or comfort.
我为明尼苏达相关板块上的大多数人感到骄傲，他们对梅利莎和马克・霍特曼遇刺感到震惊，得知吉尔伯特（霍特曼家的金毛猎犬）也被杀后更是愤怒。吉尔伯特是个可爱的家伙，因为太喜欢人了，导盲犬训练都没通过。愿夺走他们生命的人渣从此不得安宁。

Takemyfishplease
For reals. My sister and her hubby talked nonstop when there were rumors the shooter was trans or whatever. Ow nothing other than loving Kirk’s widow new boots.
真的。有传言说枪手是跨性别者之类的时候，我姐和她老公就说个不停。现在倒好，除了夸柯克遗孀的新靴子，啥都不说了。

ZHISHER
My cousin bet me $100 on the spot the shooter was trans.
His venmo to me said “he’s probably in the closet”
我表弟当场就跟我赌 100 美元，说枪手是跨性别者。
他给我转钱的 Venmo 留言说 “他可能还没出柜”。

5Point5Hole
Amazing that someone so delusional paid up
这人想法这么离谱，居然还真给钱了，不可思议。

terry496
As long as he Venmo'd you the cash. Talk all the sh*t you want, but pay.
只要他通过 Venmo 把钱转给你了就行。爱说啥说啥，但得给钱。

Benromaniac
Conservative media now speculates on every shooting suspect as being trans.
Take a look at afn radio’s website. Probably will be something there right now regarding trans terrorism.
保守派媒体现在只要碰到枪击案嫌疑人，就猜测是跨性别者。
看看 AFN 电台的网站。现在说不定就有关于跨性别者恐怖主义的内容。

GastricallyStretched
It's so prent there is a Wikipedia article about it.
这现象太普遍了，维基百科上都有相关文章。

techleopard
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I just ask people how many people do they actually know who are trans.
我就问问人们，他们到底认识几个跨性别者。

turb0_encapsulator
ask yourself why a guy whose whole brand is victimization hardly ever talks about it...
你自己想想，一个整天把自己包装成受害者的人，为啥几乎从不提这事儿……

whatagooddaytoday
Does Trump even bring it up anymore? You'd think that situation would be emotionally scarring for anyone and that they'd mention it from time to time, but I can't recall him talking about it for a while now.
特朗普还提这事儿吗？你会觉得这种事儿换谁都会留下心理创伤，时不时会提一下，但我都不记得他最近啥时候说过了。

-SHAI_HULUD
At this point I question whether he truly remembers it even happening.
这时候我都怀疑他是不是真记得发生过这事儿。

CapitalPunBanking
He brought it up at the Kirk memorial events. "ya know i got shot but it missed me, guess I'm just built different". Not an exact quote, but essentially that.
他在柯克的纪念活动上提过。“你们知道，我中枪了但没打中我，我想我就是与众不同吧”。不是原话，但基本就这意思。

CannedNoodlez
"I like people who were shot and survived"
“我喜欢那些中枪还活下来的人”

Vyar
“Skill issue, it’s a new word, I just came up with it…”
“技术问题，这是个新词，我刚想出来的……”

CatholicSquareDance
sometimes it's pretty funny what a narcissistic piece of shit he is
有时候他自恋得像个混蛋，还挺搞笑的。

PartyPorpoise
Yeah if he wasn’t in a position of power and doing terrible things I’d think he was hilarious.
是啊，如果他没权，也没干那些坏事，我会觉得他超搞笑。

elroxzor99652
Especially to a guy who seemingly can’t let go of the smallest grudge
尤其对一个好像连一点小怨恨都放不下的人来说。

Michael_DeSanta
Yup. He’s publicly tried to shit on Jimmy Kimmel 3 out of the past 4 days. Yet he stopped talking about his “assassin” within a week
没错。过去四天里，他有三天都公开抹黑吉米・坎摩尔。但他自己的 “刺客” 那事儿，还不到一周就不提了。

sneaky-pizza
Good point. He's still mad at Seth Meyers for one joke years ago
说得对。塞斯・梅耶斯几年前开了个玩笑，他到现在还耿耿于怀呢。

immersemeinnature
How about the guy that KILLED the Minnesota house Democrat and her husband and dog and attempted to kill another Democrat couple!!
那个杀了明尼苏达州众议院民主党议员、她丈夫和狗，还试图杀另一对民主党夫妇的人呢，咋没消息了！

AbuJimTommy
Why do we know so little about the guy who shot up that concert in Vegas years ago. Massive casualty event and no one ever figured out why he did it.
为啥我们对几年前在拉斯维加斯那场音乐节开枪扫射的人了解这么少。那可是造成大量伤亡的事件，却没人弄清楚他为啥那么做。

catinreverse
Im currently listening to Fox News at work (not by choice) and they are already complaining that the defense is going to “try and plant reasonable doubt” in the jury’s mind.
No shit. That’s their job. Also, this guy is innocent until proven guilty.
我现在上班（不是我自愿的）在听福克斯新闻，他们已经在抱怨辩方要 “试图在陪审团心里种下合理怀疑”。
这不是废话嘛。那是人家的工作。而且，这人在被证明有罪之前是无罪的。

Violet_Paradox
That's been their angle for every high profile trial lately. They're basically trying to frx the whole concept of a fair trial as evil, as if manufacturing consent for something that's coming.
His trial is going to be interesting to watch. So much of the police work immediately following was suspect including reading the texts that seemed so fabricated.
I’m not saying he’s innocent, just saying it will be interesting to watch it play out.
最近每一场备受瞩目的审判，他们都是这个套路。他们基本上是想把公平审判这个概念抹黑成邪恶的，好像在为接下来要发生的事制造舆论支持。
他的审判应该会很有看头。案发后警方很多工作都让人怀疑，包括那些短信，看着就像编造的。
我不是说他是无辜的，只是说看着事情发展应该会挺有意思。

Oramatheos
The texts were literally what you would get if you asked ChatGPT to write a confession in the style of Pride and Prejudice that would be convincing to 80 year olds.
那些短信简直就像是你让 ChatGPT 用《傲慢与偏见》的风格写一份能说服 80 岁老人的认罪书。

james-HIMselfProfile
Anyone else seen the wife literally complaining about people talking about Charlie while simultaneously going on a press tour? You’d think she was advertising an album release with the tv appearances and the grieving. There’s also something incredibly fake about it like she posted his embalmed hand on Instagram. How exactly are the media and internet the problem when you advertise merchandise and products while you’re “grieving”.
有没有人也看到，他老婆一边抱怨别人谈论查理，一边却在进行巡回媒体宣传？看她上电视露面和表现出的悲痛劲儿，还以为她在宣传新专辑发布呢。这事儿透着一股极度的虚伪，比如她在 Instagram 上发了她丈夫经过防腐处理的手。当你在 “悲痛” 之时还推销商品，又怎么能说媒体和网络是问题所在呢。

raptorjawslol
she’s more mad at candace owens than she is at the guy who allegedly offed her husband哈哈，她对坎迪斯・欧文斯的气，比对那个据称杀了她丈夫的人还大。
PoliticsboringagainProfile Badge for the Achievement Top 1% Commenter Top 1% CommenterShe forgave him the second she found out he was white and his family were maga.
她一发现凶手是白人，且其家人是 “让美国再次伟大”（MAGA）的支持者，就原谅他了。

softfart
He did her a huge favor. She’s gonna be grifting off this for the rest of her life.
他可帮了她大忙。她后半辈子都能靠这事儿捞钱了。

anonlaw
And, bonus! She doesn't have to fuck charlie kirk anymore!
还有个额外 “好处”！她再也不用和查理・柯克上床了！

Cake icon
Probably even has her own bank account now.
说不定现在她都有自己的银行账户了。

Cronchy_Tacos
Bro Im not gonna lie, I really dislike Candace Owens but I do think shes onto something when she says this whole situation is sus as hell兄弟，说实话，我真不喜欢坎迪斯・欧文斯，但她说这整件事非常可疑，我觉得她这话有点道理。
（注：坎迪斯・欧文斯，美国政治评论员、政治活动家及作家，常发表煽动性言论，曾批评 “黑人的命也是命” 运动，反对新冠疫情封锁措施和疫苗接种。她还因声称法国第一夫人布丽吉特 “其实是男性”，于 2025 年被马克龙夫妇提起诽谤诉讼。此外，她曾就查理・柯克被暗杀一事提出阴谋论，称与以色列有关）

Forged-Signatures
As last I was made aware of her at the time, unless it has changed since, her stance was that Israel killed Charlie because he started to disagree with them and was on the fence about openly supporting Palastine. Has she changed her position since, or is this the thing you believe she is 'onto'?
据我当时所知，除非后来有变化，她的立场是以色列杀了查理，因为他开始和以色列有分歧，且对是否公开支持巴勒斯坦持观望态度。她后来改变立场了吗，还是说你指的就是她这个观点？

Jegglebus
I thought it was because Kirk was really rooting for the release of the Epstein files
我还以为是因为柯克强烈支持公布爱泼斯坦相关文件。

Emm_withoutha_L-88
It was both, Israel is against certainly the government who ran Epstein's honey pot operation.
两方面原因都有，以色列肯定反对那个运作爱泼斯坦 “美人计” 行动的政府。

Emm_withoutha_L-88
Owens is garbage but she seems to be doing this for personal reasons. Which makes me think it's somewhat genuine, at least her version of it.The recent revolt of some right wing women has been entertaining to watch.
欧文斯这人不咋地，但她这么做似乎是出于个人原因。这让我觉得她这说法多少有点真情实感，至少从她的角度是这样。最近一些右翼女性的反叛还挺有看头的。

turquoise_amethyst
She posted his embalmed hand??!
她发了她丈夫经过防腐处理的手的照片？！

katnip-evergreen
Yes. The post was weird af and unnatural
没错。那帖子怪异得很，不自然。

rabbitzi
Worldwide Privacy Tour for the Dead
为逝者举办的全球隐私之旅（讽刺其行为怪异）

Designer-Contract852
It's like she's using this tragedy to show off her tight fitting black mourning clothes and how happy she is. It's just very weird. She was interviewed by other weirdo Megan Kelly and giggled like a schoolgirl about people saying she touched vances ass in their inappropriate public hug thing. Not serious at all about how he's a married man with a wife and and children, just a giggle fest about how she's just a hugger and maybe she should have touched his ass because people were mad at her like she actually did it. So Christian and biblical to giggle about grabbing a married man.
她就好像在利用这场悲剧炫耀她紧身的黑色丧服，以及展示她有多开心。这太奇怪了。她接受了另一个怪人梅根・凯利的采访，还像个女学生一样咯咯笑，就因为有人说她在那次不合适的公开拥抱中摸了万斯的屁股。对于万斯是个有妻儿的已婚男人这事儿，她完全不当回事，就知道咯咯笑，说自己就是喜欢拥抱，还说也许她就该摸他屁股，因为人们为此生她气，就好像她真摸了似的。为摸已婚男人屁股的事儿咯咯笑，这可太符合基督教教义和《圣经》精神了（反讽）。

50FirstCakes
Florida is still trying to name a couple of roads and a small town after him. The area is located somewhere between Orlando and the Space Coast, I think. I also read somewhere that a Florida Senate committee has approved a proposal to establish an annual "Day of Remembrance" for Charlie Kirk. Here’s the proposed bill (SB 194) that would designate October 14th as “Charlie Kirk Day of Remembrance.”. It’s a bonafide shit-show down here.
佛罗里达州还在努力以他的名字命名几条道路和一个小镇。我想那个地方在奥兰多和太空海岸之间。我还在某个地方看到，佛罗里达州参议院的一个委员会已经批准了一项提议，要为查理・柯克设立一个年度 “纪念日”。这是拟议的法案（SB 194），将 10 月 14 日定为 “查理・柯克纪念日”。这里简直乱成一团糟。

The_Mellow_Tiger
Charlie Kirk told me not to listen to single mothers whining.
查理・柯克曾告诉我，别听单身妈妈的抱怨。