美国提议乌克兰从顿巴斯撤军,缩减军队规模,并接受冻结前线,以此换取广泛的安全保障。
The U.S. Has Proposed That Ukraine Withdraw Its Troops From Donbas, Reduce the Size of Its Army, and Accept a Frozen Front Line in Exchange for Broad Security Guarantees.
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美国总统唐纳德·特朗普政府草拟了一份新的俄乌战争解决方案,这份方案在实际操作上将把顿涅茨克地区的部分区域交给莫斯科,正式化华盛顿对克里米亚和顿巴斯作为俄罗斯领土的承认,并将扎波罗热和赫尔松地区当前的前线“冻结”。
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The administration of U.S. President Donald Trump has drafted a new proposal for settling the Russian–Ukrainian war, one that would in practice hand Moscow parts of the Donetsk region, formalize Washington’s recognition of Crimea and Donbas as Russian territory, and freeze the current front line in the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions. The outline of the plan being developed in Washington was reported by Axios, Reuters, Financial Times and The Economist, citing well-informed sources. According to them, the document reflects “maximalist Kremlin demands,” and to Ukraine and its partners it may appear as “a sweeping concession to Russia.”
European officials, writes Bloomberg correspondent Alex Wickham, view the developments with skepticism and believe Moscow is once again trying to “play” the American side by initiating a new round of informal “talks.” “Europe is not involved in these discussions. It is unclear who in the U.S. supports this line. It looks like yet another Witkoff–Dmitriev idea, one that aligns with Russian demands,” the journalist notes. According to him, European officials believe that by signaling readiness to engage with Washington, Russia is seeking to head off tougher sanctions.
Against the backdrop of reports detailing the American initiative, the Kremlin again stressed its readiness to resume talks in Istanbul. “Moscow is open to negotiations. The pause that has arisen is, in fact, the result of the Kyiv regime’s unwillingness to continue this dialogue,” said Dmitry Peskov, the Russian president’s press secretary.
美国总统唐纳德·特朗普政府草拟了一份新的俄乌战争解决方案,这份方案在实际操作上将把顿涅茨克地区的部分区域交给莫斯科,正式化华盛顿对克里米亚和顿巴斯作为俄罗斯领土的承认,并将扎波罗热和赫尔松地区当前的前线“冻结”。这一正在华盛顿此项制定的计划框架由路透社、金融时报和经济学人根据消息灵通人士报道。根据他们的说法,该文件反映了“克里姆林宫的最大化要求”,对于乌克兰及其伙伴来说,这可能会被视为“对俄罗斯的一项全面让步”。
彭博社记者亚历克斯·威克汉姆写道,欧洲官员以怀疑态度看待这一发展,并认为莫斯科再次试图通过发起新一轮非正式“谈判”来“玩弄”美国。“欧洲不参与这些讨论。目前不清楚美国内部是谁支持这一路线。记者指出。根据他的说法,欧洲官员认为,通过向华盛顿释放愿意接触的信号,俄罗斯正在试图避免更严厉的制裁。
在有关美国这一倡议的报道背景下,克里姆林宫再次强调其准备恢复在伊斯坦布尔的谈判。俄罗斯总统新闻秘书德米特里·佩斯科夫表示:“莫斯科对谈判持开放态度。当前出现的和平谈判的停顿实际上是基辅政权不愿继续这一对话的结果。”
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Skolloc753
In return for these concessions, the United States, according to Axios, pledges to offer Kyiv security guarantees in the event of renewed Russian aggression. The form such guarantees might take remains unclear.
Ah yes, undefined security guarantees for the undefined future. With an Ukraine unable to join NATO, build up an army and gather highly effective weapons.
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“作为这些让步的交换,美国据 Axios 报道承诺,如果俄罗斯重新发动侵略,将向基辅提供安全保障。但这些保障会以什么形式出现仍不清楚。”
啊,是的——对一个不明确的未来给出不明确的安全保障。而乌克兰将无法加入北约、无法扩充军队、无法获取高效武器。
太好了。
YarpsDrittAdrAtta
They should sign these "security guarantees" in Budapest. And call it a memorandum.
他们应该在布达佩斯签这些“安全保障”。然后叫它“备忘录”。
NoRecipe3350
Munich would be a better location for this agreement.
慕尼黑会是更好的地点。
North-Creative
If nazis from east and West are coming to sign papers, I'd much prefer Nuremburg.
如果东西方的纳粹都要来签字,我更希望地点选纽伦堡。
Rich_Telephone9974
There were no guarantees made in the Budapest memorandum. You fundamentally dont understand what was agreed upon. The only nation which hasn't followed it is Russia. No other nation (US, or Britain) has broken any letter of the memorandum.
布达佩斯备忘录里根本没有做出任何“保证”。你根本不了解当时达成的是什么协议。唯一没有遵守协议的是俄罗斯。没有任何其他国家(美国或英国)违反过任何条文。
Jigsawsupport
Well actually the US also clearly did.
"Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus, and Kazakhstan of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind."
That shakedown agreement for minerals that Trump pushed on Zelensky clearly was Economic coercion
The UK has kept its word more or less.
实际上,美国也很明显违背过协议。
“避免以经济胁迫的方式,使乌克兰、白俄罗斯和哈萨克斯坦在行使其主权所固有权利时屈从于自己的利益,从而为自己获取任何形式的好处。”
特朗普逼泽连斯基签的那个矿产敲诈协议,显然就是经济胁迫。
英国大体上倒是信守了承诺。
Rich_Telephone9974
"Subordinate their own interest" the minerals deal was the opposite, it was in the interest of Ukraine to sign the deal. The us gains nothing from that deal but another trading partner. Have you even read the deal?
The deal gives US companies preferential access to the minerals allowing us companies to invest in ukraines reconstruction. Mineral rights are not inherent to a nations sovereignty, in fact what is inherent to a nations sovereignty is the ability to rebuild itself after a war which this deal makes easier.
“屈从于他们自己的利益”——但那份矿产协议恰恰相反,那是对乌克兰有利的。美国从那里面唯一得到的,就是多一个贸易伙伴。你读过协议吗?
那份协议给美国企业提供优先获取矿产的机会,让美国公司能投资乌克兰的重建。矿产权益并非一个国家“固有主权权利”,反倒是一个国家战后能够重建的能力才是主权的一部分,而这份协议正好能让乌克兰重建更容易。
dschinghiskhan
Ukraine needs aid, weapons, money, and eventually reconstruction help with no expectation or requests for paying or giving anything back. Capiche?
乌克兰需要的是援助、武器、资金,以及最终的重建帮助——不需要任何回报、不需要任何附加要求。明白?
_newfap
Russias security guarantees are rock solid. Nothing can go wrong.
俄罗斯的安全保障可是“牢不可破”的。不会出任何问题。
MercatorLondon
hey match USA security guarantees.
To make it easier for both sides - they already signed guarantees for Ukraine in Budapest. They just need to find them and stick to them.
俄罗斯的保证跟美国的安全保障一样稳。
为了让双方更省事——他们已经在布达佩斯为乌克兰签过保障了。只需要把那些文件找出来并遵守就行。
emotionalsupporttank
Would this be the same type of security guarantee the usa gave them when Ukraine gave up it's nukes?
这会是和当年乌克兰放弃核武时美国给的那种“安全保障”一样吗?
Gjrts
No, these will be weaker.
As they are backed by a much weaker administration.
不,这次会更弱。
因为这次的政府要弱得多。
azmarteal
No, because back then Ukraine was naive enough to actually believe USA lol
不,因为当时乌克兰天真到真的相信美国 哈哈。
Every-Ad-3488
It's no surprise that the Donbass is called Putin's Sudetenland.
难怪顿巴斯被叫做普京的苏台德地区。
Maeglin75
It would be great if a journalist or politician asked Trump if he knows what happened to Czechoslovakia and what the Munich Agreement was. I would like to hear his thoughts about that and why he thinks his proposal for Ukraine would turn out differently.
I'm sure Trump would be delighted to speak about something else than the Epstein files.
如果有记者或政治人物能问特朗普,他是否知道捷克斯洛伐克发生过什么,是否知道慕尼黑协定是什么,我会很想听他对这些事情的看法,以及为什么他认为他给乌克兰的提议会有不同结果。
我敢肯定特朗普会很乐意谈点不是爱泼斯坦档案的别的话题。
vicegrip
Trump’s word on anything is completely unreliable. The only thing he is consistent on is being corrupt.
特朗普对任何事情的承诺都完全不可靠。他唯一始终如一的就是腐败。
axelkoffel
Yeah lol, Trump would give security guarantees and next week deny that he ever gave anything like that. And ban from White House anyone that tries to bring that up.
是啊,特朗普今天会给出安全保障,下周就否认自己说过任何类似的话。然后把任何敢提这件事的人都赶出白宫。
Librashell
US has abandoned friends and allies repeatedly. Right now, its guarantees are written on wet paper.
美国一次又一次地抛弃朋友和盟友。如今,它的保障就是写在废纸上的话。
iwatchcredits
Not just abandoned, but they have reneged on deals with allies just to antagonize them. Americans are trash
还不只是抛弃,他们甚至会为了激怒盟友而撕毁与盟友达成的协议。美国人就是垃圾。
snusmini
Ukraine knows what "security guarantees from the USA" means.
乌克兰非常清楚“来自美国的安全保障”是什么意思。
Neither_Guava_8292
Trump is a modern Chamberlain, how that went the last time?
特朗普就是现代的张伯伦。上一次那样做结果如何?
TitanDarwin
That's unfair to Chamberlain.
这么说对张伯伦不公平。
Pension-Helpful
I mean if the current US administration doesn't want to help and the EU is too broke to help, ceding some land in exchange for 2-3 years of head space so the EU can get their act together and also hope for a more pro-EU/Ukraine US administration to come in to power isn't too bad, given that Putin might be able to capture all of Donbas and maybe even more by next year spring with under men and under arm Ukraine is currently.
我是说,如果当前的美国政府不想帮忙,而欧盟又破产无法提供援助,那么为了给欧盟整理局面争取两三年的喘息时间,同时也寄希望于未来有一个更亲欧盟和乌克兰的美国政府上台,用一些土地换取这样的时间,也未尝不可。毕竟按乌克兰目前的兵力和武器情况,普京到明年春天可能就能拿下整个顿巴斯,甚至更多。
Skolloc753
And ... what makes you so sure that the EU gets their act together in 2 years? You do know that in in the coming years in the UK, France and Germany pro-Putin right wing parties are poised to take control? And how exactly should Ukraine prepare in those two years for the next invasion? With a broken economy, a neutered army and a reduced weapon stockpile?
你为什么就这么确信欧盟两年内能整顿好?你知道在接下来的几年里,英国、法国和德国的亲普京右翼政党都有可能掌权吗?那么乌克兰在这两年里到底该如何为下一次入侵做准备?在破碎的经济、削弱的军队和减少的武器储备下?
chris-za
Didn’t the US offer Ukraine security guarantees in exchange for it giving up its nukes back in 1993?
And tell me, how did those US guarantees work out for Ukraine? And why would it be any different this time?
美国在 1993 年乌克兰放弃核武时,不也是承诺提供安全保障吗?
那么当时这些美国承诺对乌克兰有多大作用?这次又怎么可能不同?
toughtbot
Well it's this or Europe foot the bill. Trump is going to cutoff Ukraine. He has other fish to fry.
不签这个的话,就得让欧洲买单。特朗普会切断对乌克兰的支持。他还有别的事情要处理。
and_then_he_said
I'd be surprised if Putin waits 2-3 years considering his age and Russia's internal turmoil. I'd wager no more than 6-12 months before we see renewed attacks. Just needs to rally some more troops and equipment and shift more resources into a new conflict.
Also, what else is there for him? Engage in reforms in the country he's destroyed? Work 5-10 years and develops BRICS into a strong and relevant alliance and imagine there's any honor among thieves?
There aren't any real opportunities for him left at this point to maintain power and relevance. He has might still have a seat at some tables because he's a war monger with nukes, that's it.
考虑到普京的年龄和俄罗斯内部动荡,我会很惊讶他能等两三年。我敢打赌,最多六到十二个月,我们就会看到俄罗斯发起新一轮攻击。他只需要再集结一些兵力和装备,把更多资源投入新的冲突即可。
还有,普京还能做什么?去搞他毁掉的国家的改革?花五到十年把金砖国家建设成强大联盟?想象一下小偷之间还有什么荣誉?
现在他几乎没有维持权力和影响力的真正机会了。他之所以还能在某些场合占一个座位,只因为他是个拥有核武器的好战分子,仅此而已。
garack666
Thats what trump wants, the success of his dictator buddy.
那个条约正是特朗普想要的,他独裁朋友的成功。
FredB123
Are these the same type of guarantees Ukraine received from Russia that they would never be invaded if they gave up their nuclear weapons?
这些安全保障和当年俄罗斯给乌克兰的“如果放弃核武就永不入侵”的承诺是一样的吗?
Nknk
I'd be a ludicrous suggestion even if someone relatively reputable and willing to stand up to Russia like Biden or Obama were US president.
For it to be suggested at a time when a Russian asset is president is insulting beyond belief.
Though given this is what's being pushed, presumably by the US, we can guess this is what Russia is screaming at them for behind the scenes. Which is nice, since if they want that much and they want it so badly it indicates the war is even more of a strain for them than it appears.
即便是像拜登或奥巴马这样相对有声望、敢于对抗俄罗斯的总统,这也是荒谬的建议。
更别说,现在美国总统是俄罗斯的棋子,这种协议简直是无法形容的侮辱。
不过既然这是美国推动的方案,我们可以猜测俄罗斯背地里正为此大喊。这倒也不错,因为他们想得那么多、那么急,也说明战争对他们的压力比表面更大。
aretasdamon
I’m American, you probably shouldn’t take America at any word ESPECIALLY in the current regime. I’m sure they know that
我是美国人,你们最好不要相信美国任何承诺,尤其是在当前这届政府。我敢肯定他们自己也明白这一点。
DerkleineMaulwurf
I think its a trick of the US to leave the conflict to europe alone, fake peace talks to give reason to retreat from any commitment.
我觉得这是美国的诡计,把冲突留给欧洲自己处理,假装和平谈判,为自己撤回任何承诺找借口。
DryCloud9903
I saw that on top of that "there can't be any foreign troops or peace keepers in Ukraine". So what the hell kind of security "guarantees" could those even be?
我看到上面还有一句“乌克兰不能有外国军队或维和部队”。那这种安全“保障”到底是什么鬼?
Oxu90
And as the peace deal denies foreign troops in Ukraine, In case of new aggression only weapon aid would be given, which would not be enough to stop renew Russian army with smaller and hamstrung Ukrainian army.
So this deal is just capitulation. Half year after deal Russia will take rest of Ukraine
而且和平协议禁止外国军队入驻乌克兰,如果再次遭到侵略,只会提供武器援助,这对已经瘦弱、受制约的乌克兰军队来说根本不够。
所以这份协议就是投降协议。协议半年后,俄罗斯就会拿下乌克兰剩余地区。
AffectionateSignal53
Surrender or be defeated, Ukraine shouldnt be a western proxy in the first place
结局只有投降或被打败,乌克兰根本不应该成为西方的代理人。
Preisschild
Russians have literally been torturing, bombing and castrating Ukrainian POWs. What do you think happens if they control the entire country? What do you think happens to dissidents? LGBTQ+ people (which Russia deems "extremist")? People who refuse to stop speaking Ukrainian?
俄罗斯已经在折磨、轰炸和阉割乌克兰战俘了。你觉得如果他们控制整个乌克兰会怎样?不同政见者会怎样?LGBTQ+ 人群(在俄罗斯被视为“极端分子”)会怎样?拒绝停止讲乌克兰语的人会怎样?
GDPR_Guru8691
Sounds like surrender, sounds grossly unfair and lacking justice.
听起来就是投降协议,极不公平,也缺乏正义。
Wadarkhu
Better would be if Russia fucks off behind its own borders, in fact at least 5km behind its own border and that 5km land strip becomes a heavily landmine-carpeted "DMZ".
更好的办法是让俄罗斯滚回自己的边境,至少退回 5 公里,并把那 5 公里地带布满地雷,做成“非军事区”。
Dependent_Reveal_524
Yap that's not happening, so people need to live in reality and reality is that Ukraine is losing, we still don't know how many people they lost, only thing that we know they are lacking manpower while Russia still didn't even start to mobilize from big cities, they still paying for people to fight there
是啊,那不可能实现,所以人们需要面对现实——现实是乌克兰正在输。我们还不知道他们到底损失了多少人,只知道他们缺人,而俄罗斯甚至还没从大城市开始动员,他们还在付钱让人去参战。
daviddjg0033
American here to tell you that I am screaming at the top of my lungs: Putin is the devil. If Russia takes Ukraine, Poland, the Baltics and Finland will be facing Russian and North Korean soldiers plus paid mercenaries and slave/prison infantry.
Russia seizing the troops trained in drone warfare: from manufacturing to modifications to repair to flying these fiber cable tail drones - would be a turning point. Europe is not prepared for drones in the air, let alone the amount of artillery needed to beat Putin on the battlefield.
There are more countries than DPRK that would line up to provide men for the meatgrinder.
我是一名美国人,要大声喊出来:普京就是魔鬼。如果俄罗斯占领乌克兰,波兰、波罗的海国家和芬兰将面对俄罗斯和朝鲜士兵,加上雇佣军和奴隶和监狱步兵。
俄罗斯如果掌握了无人机作战训练的部队——从制造、改装、维修到操作这些光纤尾翼无人机——将会成为战局的转折点。欧洲对空中无人机根本没有准备,更不用说要在战场上击败普京所需的火炮数量了。
愿意提供士兵充当“绞肉机”的国家,不只朝鲜一家。
Realistic_Mirror_762
Ukraine has lost every battle for three years straight and the pace seems to be accelerating. Surrender seems like the logical conclusion to the reality on the battlefield. The sooner the less they will lose.
乌克兰三年来每场战斗都在失利,而且节奏似乎还在加快。从战场现实来看,投降似乎是逻辑结论。越早投降,损失越少。
bond0815
Another dead on arrival plan to make Putin happy.
Lets just hope donny doesnt withdraw intelligence sharing when it gets rejected by Ukraine.
This US government is really the dumbest and most spineless one imaginable.
又一个生不逢时的方案,只是为了让普京高兴。
希望当乌克兰拒绝时,特朗普别撤回情报共享就好。
这届美国政府真是最愚蠢、最软弱的政府了。
lostindanet
You forget another clause in this sick joke: adopt Russian as an official language.
This was never ever meant to be accepted, quite the opposite, it's just more smoke and mirrors to burn some time.
你忘了这场恶心笑话里的另一条款:乌克兰将俄语作为官方语言。
这条根本不可能被接受,恰恰相反,这只是更多的烟雾弹和障眼法,用来拖延时间。
Enjutsu
Oh my god this looked too stupid to be true and there's no way in the article so i had to check, but for anyone doubting like i was, here it is:
Sources cited by FT say Ukraine would have to designate Russian as an official state language and grant official status to the Russian Orthodox Church. In addition, the document prohibits the deployment of foreign troops on Ukrainian soil.
天啊,这简直傻到不敢相信,文章里也没写清楚,我不得不去核实,但对于像我一样怀疑的人,这里是事实:
《金融时报》引用的消息称,乌克兰必须将俄语定为官方国家语言,并给予俄罗斯东正教教会官方地位。此外,文件禁止在乌克兰部署外国军队。
kiil1
Imagine having to recognize Russian Orthodox Church after its leader openly glorified an irredentist war of conquest against Ukraine. It's so obvious Trump's administration has absolutely no understanding of the situation, the background, any of it. They really are just fool that happened to get in charge of the most powerful country in the world.
想象一下,在俄罗斯东正教领袖公开美化对乌克兰的“复国战争”之后,还得承认它为官方教会。很明显,特朗普政府根本不了解实际情况、历史背景或者任何细节。他们真的是一群蠢货,偏偏掌握了世界上最强大的国家。
Armodeen
LMao this is a surrender plan. This is like the 10th time Trump demanded Ukraine surrender now? He has no ideas other than just give up immediately.
Honestly anyone in this thread could likely do a better job as president of the US.
哈哈,这就是投降计划。特朗普要求乌克兰投降,这已经是第十次了吧?他除了让对方立即放弃外根本没有其他方案。
老实说,哪怕是本帖里的任何人,作为美国总统可能都比他做得好。
Lothdrak
Russian already had an official status in Ukraine since independence because of the autonomy of Crimea and the populations of Donbass. As a reminder, Zelensky himself is a native Russian speaker.
自乌克兰独立以来,俄语就已经在乌克兰拥有官方地位,因为克里米亚自治和顿巴斯人口构成。顺便提醒一下,泽连斯基本人就是以俄语为母语。
Automatic_Pressure_8
The oppression of the Russian language was one of the main reasons for the start of protests in the Donbas and Crimea in early 2014, ignoring the desire of their own citizens to constitutionally protect their native language literally led to the current war.
对俄语的压制是 2014 年初顿巴斯和克里米亚抗议爆发的主要原因之一。乌克兰忽视公民依法保护母语的愿望,直接导致了现在的战争。
lostindanet
you are still going with that made up bullshit?
你还在信那些编造的胡说八道吗?
DarrensDodgyDenim
From a European perspective, this is not a plan that is in our interest in my view. The only thing this would do is to embolden Russia, cement American withdrawal from Europe, and set up Ukraine for another invasion.
We have to prepare for war against Russia, and we have to prepare to back Ukraine alone. The Americans will pivot to Asia, and the country is soon so divided that it is too unpredictable to be seen as an ally.
It is unfortunate that we find ourselves in this situation, some of it is our own fault, some of it has been foisted upon us by a dictator in the east.
Nevertheless, if anyone think that we can "send a strongly worded letter" and be done with this, you'll have a very rude awakening coming.
从欧洲的角度来看,我认为这不是符合我们利益的计划。这只会让俄罗斯更加胆大,巩固美国撤出欧洲的态势,同时让乌克兰为下一次入侵做好准备。
我们必须为与俄罗斯的战争做好准备,也必须准备好独自支持乌克兰。美国将把重心转向亚洲,而国内很快就会分裂得太厉害,根本无法被视为可靠盟友。
我们陷入这种局面实属不幸,其中一些是我们自己的过错,一些则是东方独裁者强加给我们的。
然而,如果有人以为我们只需“发一封措辞强烈的信”就能解决问题,你们将会有一个非常粗暴的醒悟。
Wgh555
I’m a big big fan of the JEF and think that it’s something that should be built up and evolved.
I think that the future is these more regional focused defence alliances, France Italy and Spain and Greece for southern Europe, Germany, Poland and other central euro countries for the eastern land border flank.
The JEF alone nearly matches Russia for population but with 4x the gdp, Just under 8 trillion, a very high gdp for the population size.
But crucially it makes the Americans more irrelevant. Empowers European nations more and stop this bullshit of Europe being a pawn in a great game between America and China, and start being a fearsome power in its own right.
我非常非常支持联合远征部队,认为它应该被进一步建设和发展。
我认为未来是这些更注重区域的防务联盟:法国、意大利、西班牙和希腊负责南欧,德国、波兰及其他中欧国家负责东部陆地边境。
单看联合远征部队,其人口几乎可与俄罗斯匹敌,但GDP却是其四倍,略低于8万亿美元,对人口规模来说是非常高的GDP水平。
但最关键的是,它让美国变得更加无关紧要,增强了欧洲国家的权力,结束了欧洲在美中博弈中充当棋子的荒谬局面,使欧洲开始真正成为一个令人生畏的力量。