历史：朝鲜战争第64周：缺乏经验的联合国新兵遭遇灾难——1951年9月9日！

@Ettubrute-ij1st
As TV descended into crazed wellness, whether it was streaming etc., and movies dried up I discovered your World War I series and plowed through it as it was detailed, wonderful and addictive. I then followed you through your World War II series. I can’t recommend these enough to people who haven’t seen them. Take the time to watch them in order
Asked for the specials and the warrior specials they really add a lot if you were a history geek. They really were designed to accentuate what you’re gonna see or what you have seen in other World War I World War II and help you to understand why certain nations did what they did who they worked with who they surrendered to fought against or joined. Truly great stuff.

当电视节目陷入疯狂的“健康养生”潮流、流媒体内容泛滥、电影枯竭之时，我偶然发现了你们关于第一次世界大战的系列，并一口气看完了——内容详实、精彩又令人上瘾。之后我又追完了你们的第二次世界大战系列。我强烈推荐还没看过的人一定要按顺序认真观看。
另外，别忘了那些特别篇和“战士特辑”，如果你是个历史迷，它们真的能带来很多额外价值。这些特辑的设计初衷就是为了强化你在正片中看到（或已经看过）的一战、二战内容，帮助你理解为什么某些国家会采取特定行动、与谁合作、向谁投降、对抗谁、又加入了哪一方。真的是非常棒的内容。

@jorickcaberio1865
You can't find any UN troops pictures?

难道你们找不到任何联合国部队的照片吗？

@archstanton6102
Watched for over a decade across 2 world wars and now 14 months of Korea all the horrors, but never commented before

十多年来，我追完了两场世界大战的内容，现在又看了14个月的朝鲜战争系列，经历了所有恐怖，却从未评论过。

@adamtoolin4955
One of the most important reasons to use authentic archival images/footage/recordings for the purposes of documentary and entertainment is that they are true. They depict real human beings who participated in the history in question, and they depict the real experiences of those human beings. We may not know who any given person is or their specific personal story within that historical event/context, but we do have a real, tangible, obxtive piece of evidence that they did In fact exist and they did in fact experience. that is astonishingly important. I can only speak to me as a long time viewer of timeghost content. the reasons I watched was because of that substance of the work, that respect, and that understanding. the application of a technology that is infamous for being unreliable, being used for deceptive and dishonest agendas, and as a bludgeon in industrial spaces to replace the talent and skill and knowledge of real human beings to save money and maximise profitability knowingly at the expense of the quality of work output is simply (again, speaking only for myself) not acceptable for educators to do.

使用真实的历史档案图片/影像/录音进行纪录片或娱乐内容创作，最重要的原因之一在于它们的真实性。它们描绘的是真实参与历史事件的人，以及他们真实的经历。我们或许不知道某个具体人物是谁，或他在那段历史中的个人故事，但我们拥有的是一件真实、可触摸、客观存在的证据——证明他们确实存在过，确实经历过那些事。这一点至关重要。
作为TimeGhost频道的长期观众，我之所以一直观看，正是因为作品中有这种实质、尊重和理解。而如今，明知AI技术以不可靠著称，常被用于欺骗和不诚实的目的，并且在工业领域被当作压榨人力、取代真实创作者技能与知识以降低成本、追求利润最大化的工具——在这种情况下仍选择使用AI，对我来说（仅代表个人）是完全无法接受的。

@frankunderbush
A treaty conference about the end of the Sino Japanese war without the either China is just crazy��

一场关于中日战争结束的条约会议，却没有中国参与？这也太离谱了

@hannahskipper2764
This is modern war. I remember that line so many times from the other wars. It seemed appropriate.

这就是现代战争。我记得在其他战争中也多次听到过这句话，用在这里似乎很贴切。

@podemosurss8316
I misheard the quote and instead of "an exhaustive chronology" I heard "an exhausted chronology". I'm now imagining a historian who writes about the war but is extremely tired due to having had to deal with all the shenanigans by McArthur, Kim, Mao and the gang for the past years.

我把那句“an exhaustive chronology”（详尽的编年史）听成了“an exhausted chronology”（疲惫不堪的编年史）。现在我脑海里浮现出一位历史学家，因为这些年不得不应付麦克阿瑟、金日成、毛泽东等人的种种闹剧，累得筋疲力尽。

@baloonaticsw
As an organization which has time and time again emphasized the humanity of the statistics we see in war, repeatedly driving home that the millions we have seen perish across the many wars covered all had lives like our own, seeing TimeGhost make the face of this episode being a nonperson invented from whole cloth is very disappointing to me. The people whose lives were tossed away so callously deserve to at least be the face of their own slaughter.

作为一个反复强调战争统计数据背后人性的组织，TimeGhost一再提醒我们：那些在历次战争中逝去的数百万人，都曾拥有和我们一样的鲜活人生。因此，看到本期节目封面竟然是一个凭空捏造出来的非真实人物面孔，我感到非常失望。那些生命被如此草率地剥夺的人们，至少应该用自己的真实面容来代表他们所经历的屠杀。

@paulclarke1207
Operation Minden would have been named after the Battle of Minden in 1759. I don't know how the locals of Minden pronounce the name of their town, but we Brits pronounce it to sound like "minute", not "mind".

“Minden行动”（Operation Minden）是以1759年的明登战役命名的。我不知道德国明登当地居民怎么发音，但我们英国人念起来像“minute”（分钟），而不是“mind”（头脑）。

@herosstratos
Minden:
Clifton Barracks
Elizabeth Barracks
Halberd House
Kingsley Barracks
Rhodesia Barracks
Springbok Barracks
St George’s Barracks
Westminster Barracks

明登行动的军营包括：
克利夫顿军营
伊丽莎白军营
哈尔伯德楼
金斯利军营
罗得西亚军营
跳羚军营
圣乔治军营
威斯敏斯特军营

@haggis525
This is the week my Dad arrived as a new replacement with the Canadians... Princess Patricia's Light Infantry - though I don't know which battalion was there at the time. I think all 3 battalions served there but on a rotation. I believe the 22nd (Van Doos) were there at the same time... all in the Commonwealth Brigade.

这一周正好是我父亲作为新兵加入加拿大军队的时候……他隶属于加拿大皇家帕特里夏轻步兵团，不过我不确定当时具体是哪个营在那里。我想三个营都曾轮驻过那里。我相信第22营当时也在，都属于英联邦旅。

@paulcass3180
I was a member of A company, 1/9th Infantry in 1978.

我曾在1978年服役于第1/9步兵团A连。

@anumeon
Heartbreak Ridge... Now i want to watch the Clint Eastwood movie again..

伤心岭……现在我又想重温克林特·伊斯特伍德那部电影了。

@zombiTrout
That movie was about the revolutionary war, not Korea…������

那部电影讲的是独立战争，不是朝鲜战争……

@anumeon
@zombiTrout Sorry to correct you. But no. That movie is about a Marine veteran from Korea, training a squad of Recon marines. And ending up in Grenada.

抱歉纠正你一下，不对。那部电影讲的是一位参加过朝鲜战争的海军陆战队老兵训练一支侦察小队，最后去了格林纳达。

@zombiTrout
@anumeon My post was sarcastic…

我那条评论是讽刺……

@stevekaczynski3793
It turned Grenada into an epic battle rather than the minor military business it was. Oh well. Nobody should learn history from Hollywood anyway...

电影把格林纳达行动拍成了一场史诗级大战，而实际上那只是一场小规模军事行动罢了。唉，反正也没人从好莱坞学历史……

@zombiTrout
@stevekaczynski3793 The real story was about the 82nd Airborne in Grenada, but they had to change it to the USMC when the Army obxted to the scxt.

真实故事原本是关于第82空降师在格林纳达的行动，但陆军反对剧本内容，所以他们只好改成海军陆战队。

@lunasearecords
My dad was in the American air force in Korea. I am sure that he would be very disappointed with how little time you have provided for the air force effort in Korea. You could provide at least one entire episode, especially about the new jet fighters on both sides... There were some amazing individual dogfights too.

我父亲曾在朝鲜战争期间服役于美国空军。我相信他一定会对你们在视频中给予空军行动如此少的篇幅感到非常失望。你们至少应该专门做一期节目，尤其是讲讲双方当时的新式喷气式战斗机……还有那些精彩的单机空战。

@allisterhuang8244
Soviet griping about not abiding by the Yalta Conference, while occupying most of eastern Europe without allowing free elections is rich. Typical communist hypocrisy

苏联一边自己占领东欧大部分地区、阻止自由选举，一边还抱怨别人不遵守雅尔塔协定，真是典型的共产主义虚伪。

@stevekaczynski3793
They were right about Japan being a US military base. It was, and is.

但他们说日本会成为美国军事基地这一点倒是没错。过去是，现在也是。

@tbone7193
"It will likely be 'heart-breaking' ." Ahhhh, I see what you did there. DERP!

“这场战役很可能会‘令人心碎’。” 啊哈，我懂你玩的文字游戏了。

@seanlander9321
One of the interesting aspects of the Japanese Treaty is that it meant that Australia finally allowed Britain to reopen its embassy in Tokyo.

《旧金山和约》的一个有趣之处在于，它使得澳大利亚终于允许英国重新在东京设立大使馆。

@alanlawson4180
The Minden offensive was so named after a battle in 1759, which was awarded as a Battle Honour to several old British Regiments. It's pronounced (well, in the UK anyway...) as 'Myn-Den'.

“明登攻势”得名于1759年的一场战役，该战役被授予多个老牌英国军团“战斗荣誉”。它的发音（至少在英国）是“Myn-Den”。

@bwboy92
War never ends. As long as human nature is there, the urge for power, resources will never cease. It will reoccur but just in different scales or format.

战争永无终结。只要人性不变，对权力与资源的渴望就不会停止。战争总会以不同规模或形式再次发生。

@konst80hum
Great video as always!
Gods it was bloody ....

一如既往的精彩视频！
天啊，那场战争真是血流成河……

@TrickiVicBB71
That ending about the US & Japan military alliance. To use Japanese troops as they please, to not defend the nation if attacked. No expiry date. Kinda of reminds me of how some people comment that Japan has been an independent nation since 1945 because it is still occupied by USA. Occupied meanin, the various military bases scattered throughout the country. They also say the same for Germany and, even South Korea.
Last thing...NO AI SLOP

结尾提到美日军事同盟那段——允许美军随意调动日本部队，甚至在日本遭受攻击时也不必承担防卫义务，而且没有期限限制。这让我想起有些人常说：日本自1945年以来并非真正独立，因为它仍被美国占领着。“占领”指的是遍布全国的众多美军基地。德国和韩国也被认为是类似情况。
最后再说一句……别用AI垃圾！

@jmacld
Thank you for your content. I spent a fair amount of time in South Korea as a young man. We would often sit in holes that had been dug by our grandfathers, during exercises. I used to wonder how anyone fought there, given the terrain and weather.

感谢你们的内容。我年轻时在韩国待过相当长一段时间。演习时，我们经常坐在当年祖父辈挖的战壕里。我常想，在那种地形和气候条件下，人们究竟是怎么打仗的。
@促至

Now I am curious, why I never heard about troop rotation being a problem in WW2, if it have such serve impact on combat effectiveness?

我现在很好奇，既然部队轮换对作战效能影响这么大，为什么我在二战中从未听说过类似问题？

@stevekaczynski3793
Basically because it did not happen in WW2. They were actually aiming to win WW2, whereas the commitment in Korea was less absolute.

基本上是因为二战中并没有实行这种轮换制度。当时的目标是打赢二战，而朝鲜战争中的投入就没那么坚决了。

@maudrysilvain5905
2:27 regarding such parallel with the great war, I wish I could (or maybe anyone in the cast), to quote Ralph Monclar about such desolation and violence, but his words will be on the battle of heartbroke ridge, next week and are, slowly but surely pointing out to this meatgrinder state of the war

2:27处提到与第一次世界大战的类比，真希望能（或者片中有人能）引用拉尔夫·蒙克拉对这种荒凉与暴力的描述，不过他的话要等到下周讲述伤心岭战役时才会出现——而这些话正缓慢却明确地指向这场战争如今这种“绞肉机”般的状态。

@sankarchaya
Say what you will about the USSR but they had some good points - the Chinese lost tens of millions of civilians and soldiers, representatives from both the PRC and Taiwan should have been invited

不管你怎么评价苏联，他们确实也有可取之处——中国在战争中损失了数以千万计的平民和士兵，战争胜利时的会议（日本投降）本应同时邀请来自中国大陆和台湾（地区）的代表。

@frapadingue7066
Great use of AI in the thumbnail ! Thanks to keep us on our toes, 'cause now I will always have to actually check your sources, y'know, just in case you also decide to go the easy way of trusting an AI with your citations, because if you can't be bothered for something has simple has a Korean War UN soldier picture, I can only imagine the temptation of it for hundreds of books, reports, analysis... Really show how professionalism built on a decade of hard work can be deeply tarnished in one fell swoop.

缩略图里居然用了AI！谢谢提醒我们保持警惕，因为现在我每次看你们的内容都得亲自核实资料来源了。万一你们也图省事，把引用和考证都交给AI处理，那可就糟了。如果连一张朝鲜战争联合国士兵的照片这种小事都不愿认真对待，那面对成百上千本书籍、报告和分析时，你们又怎能抵挡住依赖AI的诱惑呢？这真是一次失误，足以让十年辛苦建立的专业声誉毁于一旦。

@gafeleon9032
I'd love if you guys dwelled deeper into the Chinese perspective on the war since it explains why they're so willing to send some of their best units and the little equipment they have to korea
I'll give it as best I understand it, but I'm almost exclusively relying on type 56: the story of China's army (an awesome youtube channel that does know what he's talking about) so don't trust me too much
By 1950 the Chinese civil war was winding down, but was still not over. The CCP was starting to become worried about the KMT in Taiwan, without a full victory and the war still going they had no way of preventing the nationalist army of recovering and rearming, they had no navy and their air force had just been created. While they would manage to invade several of their closer islands those were still incredibly challenging campaigns that could've gone either way
The other problem the lack of a complete victory also meant a lack of international recognition which also meant a much weaker legal position internationally, especially after the Korean war started the possibility of a similar thing happening to them (the US intervening in the Chinese civil war through the UN without the soviets fully coming in to save them) was an existential threat and a war that would be at least immensely destructive if not unwinnable
And then there's the geographic situation, if north korea fell China would have a direct border with an ideological enemy and probably US soldiers
So while the US saw the war as defending against communist expansion and the koreans saw it as a war of unification to the Chinese it was about defending their country against the US abroad before the war could spread home

真希望你们能更深入探讨一下中国对这场战争的看法，这能解释为什么他们愿意把最精锐的部队和仅有的少量装备派往朝鲜。
以下是我个人的理解（主要参考了频道“Type 56: The Story of China's Army”——这个频道讲得很专业），但别太信我：
到1950年，国共内战虽已接近尾声，但尚未完全结束。中G开始担忧退守台湾（地区）的国民党势力。由于未能取得全面胜利，他们无法阻止国民党军队重整军备。当时中G既无海军，空军也才刚组建。虽然他们成功攻占了一些靠近大陆的岛屿，但这些战役异常艰难，胜负难料。
此外，缺乏彻底胜利也意味着缺乏国际承认，导致他们在国际法上的地位十分薄弱。朝鲜战争爆发后，他们尤其担心美国会借联合国名义介入中国内战，而苏联未必会全力出手相助——这对他们而言是生死存亡的威胁，即便不致战败，也将带来毁灭性后果。
地理因素也很关键：一旦朝鲜北方失守，中国将直接与意识形态敌对国接壤，甚至可能面临美军驻扎边境的局面。
因此，美国视这场战争为遏制共产主义扩张，朝鲜人视其为统一之战，而对中国而言，这是在境外抵御美国、防止战火蔓延至本土的卫国之战。

@Warmaker01
“To lead uninstructed people to war is to throw them away.” - Confucius
There are a lot of instances in military history where quickly raised troops being sent into battle with little to no training do very poorly and get slaughtered. The worst instances in history is when a group is losing a war and they have to keep on hastily levying troops and sending them in as quickly as possible to fight. Training is at a minimum, if at all, and they die in droves.

“驱使未经训练之人赴战，无异于弃之如敝履。”——孔子
军事史上有很多例子表明，仓促征召、缺乏训练的部队一旦投入战场，往往表现极差，惨遭屠戮。最糟糕的情况出现在一方节节败退时，不得不持续快速征兵并立即投入战斗：训练几乎为零，士兵成批阵亡。

@ukaszheil6672
4:25 Heartbrake Ridge? It really existed, or it's a nod to a Clint Eastwood film?

4:25“伤心岭”？它真的存在过，还是只是对克林特·伊斯特伍德电影的一个致敬？

@Orangefan77
Yes, and it's Heartbreak.

确实存在，不过正确拼写是“Heartbreak”。

@garyfasso6223
How many POW's, held by Japan, returned to Sri Lanka to relate how they were treated?

有多少被日本关押的战俘后来回到斯里兰卡讲述了他们的遭遇？

@stevekaczynski3793
Perhaps few or none. Most Indian subcontinent POWs in Japanese hands were from what later became India, Pakistan or Nepal. A lot joined the Indian National Army, sponsored by the Japanese.

可能很少甚至没有。被日军俘虏的南亚次大陆战俘大多来自后来成为印度、巴基斯坦或尼泊尔的地区。其中许多人加入了日本支持的“印度国民军”。

@jliller
Why would Japan have Sri Lankan POWs?

日本怎么会有斯里兰卡战俘？

@mohammedsaysrashid3587
Another times superpowers thrown theirs lateral agendas in negotiating tables...those lateral agendas were not interference in the Korean crisis in 1951-1953 ...

又是超级大国在谈判桌上抛出各自的次要议程……这些次要议程并不是1951–1953年朝鲜危机中的干涉行为……

@nickmacarius3012
"This is madness!"
"THIS. IS. SOVIET RUSSIA!!!"

“这太疯狂了！”
“这——就——是——苏联俄罗斯！！！”

@polykarpos1969
Well the Soviets were right about a US base in Japan and the participation of China

苏联人说得没错：美国在日本设军事基地后，也想在中国设立。

@nordlandak6853
Americans dying in a war our leaders won’t win. Asking them to die while giving minimal support. Truman started the fight wars without asking for sacrifices on the home front.

美国人在一场本国领导人不愿打赢的战争中送命。一边要求他们牺牲，一边却几乎不提供支援。杜鲁门发动战争，却从未要求国内民众做出相应牺牲。

@trescatorce9497
i defer to the experts, but, strategically and/or tactically, how much is any hill worth? Cassino for starters, or is it a matter of ego on both sides, the body count be damned?

我尊重专家意见，但从战略和/或战术角度看，一座山头究竟值多少？比如卡西诺战役就是个例子，还是说这其实只是双方出于自尊心的较量，根本不在乎伤亡人数？

@stevekaczynski3793
Not a lot - Korea was (is) full of them and losing a significant number of troops to take a hill, against bitter resistance, only for another hill to loom ahead, then another, then another... No wonder they went back to peace talks.

没太大价值——朝鲜遍地都是这样的山头。在激烈抵抗下付出惨重伤亡夺取一座山头，结果前面又冒出一座，再一座，再一座……难怪他们最终还是回到了谈判桌。

@creatoruser736
"Hatred ceases not by hatred, but by love."
Uh huh, how was Japan defeated? Through love?

“仇恨不能止息仇恨，唯有爱可以。”
呃，日本是怎么被打败的？靠爱吗？

@sonicgoo1121
I think that more referring to the situation at hand, to prevent recurring wars after the last one. That which had failed so miserably after WW1.

我觉得这句话更多是指当时的情境，旨在防止战后再次爆发战争——而这一点在一战后的处理中彻底失败了。

@univeropa3363
Don't worry Japan, we in Germany also still have American soldiers in the country and they plan and fight wars from our soil.

日本别担心，我们德国也还有美国驻军，他们正利用我们的土地策划和发动战争呢。

@addickland5656
Regarding the whole "Japan" thing:
Considering how much the soviets "consulted" the western allies about their settlements and treaties in eastern Europe, especially Poland (which yeah was the actual true "main victim of German aggression" btw soviets during the time when you were too busy shooting yourself in the foot to see how Molotov-Ribbentrop basically guarantee Barbarossa), they can kindly sit down, stfu, and sodd off.

关于“日本”那件事：
考虑到苏联当年在东欧（尤其是波兰）的条约和安排上，对西方盟国几乎毫无商量（顺便提一句，波兰才是德国侵略的真正首要受害者），而当时你们正忙着自毁长城，根本没注意到《莫洛托夫-里宾特洛甫条约》实际上已经为巴巴罗萨行动埋下了伏笔——所以他们最好乖乖闭嘴，坐一边凉快去。

@lifeitselfevents
If the USSR never signed, does that mean Russia and Japan are still legally in a conflict?

如果苏联从未签署和平条约，是否意味着俄罗斯和日本在法律上仍处于战争状态？

@DanielK-x8s
You couldn't find a photo of a UN soldier? What laziness. This is a war that had cameras! Absolute no excuse for AI slop thumbnail. It is terrible 'hallucinated' history in that you're showing a fake photo of a person that doesnt exist on a history channel. I don't know which one of you has boomer brain and thinks this is a good idea. I want to see real people and real people only on a show about history!

你们连一张联合国士兵的照片都找不到吗？这也太懒了吧！那场战争可是有摄影记录的！用AI生成这种垃圾缩略图完全说不过去。这简直是“幻觉式”的历史——在一个历史频道上展示一个根本不存在的人的假照片，实在太糟糕了。真不知道你们当中谁脑子还停留在上个时代，觉得这是个好主意。我想在历史节目中看到的是真实的人，而且只能是真实的人！

@rafaelaizon
Do you understand that most photos of the korean war are not part of the public domain

你们是否意识到，朝鲜战争时期的大多数照片并不公开？

@williamhalsted4
Bloody Ridge in Korea reminds me of Peleliu's Bloody Nose Ridge.

朝鲜战场上的“血岭”让我想起了贝里琉岛的“血腥鼻岭”。

@zainmudassir2964
Hope war stops soon

希望战争早日结束。

@peterclark6290
Government is the focal point for preserving war, poverty, economic failures of all descxtions, injustice... We have to work out an administration that has no power, just the ability to maintain the core of the state, the lives, liberty and property of the humans that live there: job's done. Huge clues from Adam Smith (and Locke): human systems are distributed open markets for wealth as well as power and maybe a few more as well. Until then humanity will continue to bounce along the bottom, oblivious to its true potential.

政府正是维持战争、贫困、各类经济失败以及不公正现象的核心所在。我们必须设计出一种新型治理模式：它不应拥有权力，而只应具备维护国家基本职能的能力——即保障生活在其中的人们的生命、自由与财产。一旦做到这点，任务就完成了。亚当·斯密（以及洛克）早已给出了重要启示：人类社会系统应当是分布式的开放市场，不仅适用于财富，也适用于权力，或许还适用于其他一些领域。否则，人类将继续在底层挣扎，对自己的真正潜力浑然不觉。

@bobmumford7088
How about the Vietnam war?

那越南战争呢？