洋抖网红社会实验：假装带娃妇女向教会打电话寻求帮助买奶粉喂养小孩，结果大部分基督教会拒绝帮助

mlg1981
Spreadsheet someone has been making to keep track:

有人制作了一份电子表格来追踪记录：

（绿色同意，红色拒绝）

ofmiceandpaco
Look at those couple of Catholic churches. As a birth Catholic who never practiced really, that actually makes me feel pretty good lol.

看看这几间天主教堂。作为一个出生在天主教家庭但从未真正实践过的人，这确实让我感觉挺暖心的哈哈。

GoateeMinion42069
As someone who survived growing up Catholic, there’s a lot for us to be ashamed about, but every now and then we get a W lol

作为一个在成长过程中幸存下来的天主教徒，虽然我们有太多该感到羞愧的事，但偶尔也能赢一把哈哈。

jkraige
Catholic Church has been pretty good on immigration rights for a long time, not just recently. Obviously they have their problems that we can't overlook, but I do have a bit of a soft spot for them because I think locally there is more of that "love thy neighbor" and "look out for each other" ethos coming from the church

天主教会长期以来在移民权利方面都做得不错，不只是最近而已。当然他们存在我们无法忽视的问题，但我对他们确实怀有些许好感，因为我觉得在地方层面上，教会更常体现出"爱邻如己"和"守望相助"的精神。

DevoutandHeretical
Catholic doctrine literally says that salvation comes through faith AND good works. You have to do good things if you want to go to heaven, just believing in god isn’t enough. It was a no brainer to me growing up that my parish literally had a food bank attached to the property and would connect you with other local food banks and resources if you needed them.

天主教教义明确说救赎来自信仰与善行。要想上天堂就必须做好事，光信上帝是不够的。我从小就觉得理所当然——我们教区直接在院里设了食品银行，还会帮你联系其他当地的食品银行和资源。

Also not defending all of the church’s issues, but I’m not at all surprised that the ones she’s contacted have had assistance available.

我也不想为所有教堂的问题辩护，但她联系的那些教堂确实有援助资源，这一点我完全不感到意外。

jkraige
No you're right, that was a difference in theology when I went more Protestant. It was faith alone that would save you, not your deeds. Catholicism seemed to care more about you being a good person while alive, not just repenting at the last minute

你说得对，当我更倾向新教时那确实是神学观点差异。新教认为单凭信仰就能得救，而非善行。天主教似乎更在乎你活着时做个好人，而不是临终前才忏悔。

PineappleNo6573
Ex-catholic school kid here.

作为前天主教学校的学生。

I think that's because Catholics believe in Purgatory. Everyone who gets into Heaven has to go to Purgatory first. It purifies your dirty soul. They used to tell us that you could be stuck there until the rapture (which could be thousands and thousands of years), but if you do good things while on earth, you might not have to be stuck there that long and could get to Heaven sooner because they dont have to cleanse your soul as much.

我想这是因为天主教信仰中存在炼狱的概念。每个进入天堂的人都必须先经过炼狱，那里会净化你污浊的灵魂。他们过去常告诉我们，你可能被困在那里直到末日审判（那可能是数万年后），但如果你在世间行善，或许不必被困那么久，能更快进入天堂，因为他们不需要对你的灵魂做太多净化。

Enjoyerofmanythings
Not to be an erm actually guy but it is not true that everyone who gets into heaven has to go through purgatory. The Catholic Church teaches that only souls who die in God’s grace but still need purification go to Purgatory (CCC 1030). Those who are already fully purified (for example, many saints) go straight to Heaven. Rapture is not part of Catholic teaching

不是要当那个"其实吧"的杠精，但"所有进天堂者都必须经过炼狱"的说法并不准确。天主教会教导的是，只有那些虽蒙神恩却仍需净化的灵魂才会进入炼狱（《天主教教理》1030 条）。那些已完全净化者（比如许多圣徒）会直接升入天堂。末日被提并非天主教教义的一部分。

DoctorRapture
Catholic Church and school and family may have pressure-cooked me into a high anxiety guilty-about-everything adult but at least it's gratifying to be able to recognize that the church really does stand on business when it comes to actually practicing what they preach.

天主教学校、教会和家庭或许把我培养成了一个高度焦虑、对一切都充满负罪感的成年人，但至少能认识到教会确实在践行他们的教义时说到做到，这让我感到欣慰。

Idolikemarigolds
Exactly. I have left the church but I try to live my life by the values I learnt in Sunday school (particularly about care for those less fortunate, welcoming strangers and being kind to others) and I still volunteer at their food bank. They give to anyone, any time, without judgement or question. They go to chocolate manufacturers and candy shops as well as typical meat/veg/grain places for donations because they want to put joy in every parcel. There is real goodness there (as well as the rot we all know about).

确实如此。虽然我已离开教会，但仍努力遵循主日学中学到的价值观（尤其是关爱弱势群体、热情待人和与人为善），至今仍在他们的食物银行做志愿者。他们不分对象、不问缘由地随时提供帮助，甚至会主动联系巧克力厂商和糖果店，以及常规的肉蔬粮供应商获取捐赠，只为在每个救济包裹里增添一份快乐。那里存在着真实的善意（当然也存在众所周知的腐朽）。

Goober_Man1
Catholics take charity very seriously in comparison to many Protestant churches. I grew up Roman Catholic and volunteered at a food bank run through my local diocese as part of my requirements towards the confirmation sacrament.

相比许多新教教会，天主教对待慈善事业确实更为认真。我从小在天主教会长大，为完成坚振圣事的准备要求，曾在本地教区运营的食物银行做志愿者。

Tilly828282
It is also super organized. The Society of St. Vincent de Paul is a lay worldwide Catholic volunteer organization that provides direct aid to the poor.

该组织还运营得井井有条。圣文森德保罗会是一个全球性的天主教平信徒志愿者组织，直接向穷人提供援助。

In the book/movie Angela’s Ashes they go there for help when they are starving.

在书籍/电影《安吉拉的灰烬》中，当主角一家快要饿死时就去那里寻求帮助。

They have food banks, fundraising, charity shops and thrift stores all over the world

他们在全球范围内运营着食品银行、募捐活动、慈善商店和二手商店

amoebaamoeba
Yeah and key in this is that their charities - even their "missionary" work - are typically not contingent on evangelism or conversion. I went to a Catholic college really focused on volunteerism. It NEVER involved talking about god, so even my atheist ass could take part in it without ever once saying the word Jesus. Conservative Protestant churches are nothing like that - it's really a god first thing.

确实关键点在于他们的慈善工作——甚至包括他们的"传教"活动——通常不以布道或劝人皈依为前提。我上过一所非常注重志愿服务的天主教大学，活动期间从来不需要谈论上帝，所以我这个无神论者都能全程参与而不用提一次耶稣的名字。保守派新教教会完全不是这样——他们总是把上帝放在第一位。

PithandKin
LDS with their billions of dollars and can’t spare a few for formula - colour me surprised!

摩门教坐拥数十亿资产，却连奶粉钱都不肯出一分——这可真是太“出人意料”了呢！

jenrising
LDS and the mega churches living down to expectations

摩门教和大型教会果然不负众望地令人失望

yagirlsophie
Remember that this is the safety net the Right claims should replace the existing government and societal safety nets when they're done gutting and destroying them.

请记住，这正是右翼声称在他们彻底破坏现有的政府与社会保障网络后，应该取而代之的安全网。

(Except of course the mosques, temples, and any black or liberal churches are also in their crosshairs so in their world there's likely to be even less institutions around that are actually willing to help anybody on top.)

（当然，清真寺、寺庙以及任何黑人教堂或自由派教会也同样在他们的攻击目标之内，所以在他们看来，愿意伸出援手帮助他人的机构恐怕只会更少。）

PhaseExtra1132
Some dude in the comments said they should rely on government and someone replied “so we should rely on the mosques?”

评论里有人说他们应该依靠政府，有人回复道：“那我们就该依靠清真寺了？”

No response.   

没有回应。

fallenarist0crat
how quick conservatives forget that safety nets were created by the government precisely because church/charity couldn’t handle how many people needed help.

保守派这么快就忘了，安全网正是政府建立的，因为教堂/慈善机构无法应对那么多需要帮助的人。

shaylaa30
The Catholic Church, for all their faults, takes their pro-life stance seriously. They tend to be very charitable towards the poor and children. They’re also pro-immigrant/ Anti-ICE.

天主教会虽然有不少缺点，但在反堕胎立场上是认真的。他们对穷人和儿童往往非常慷慨。同时他们也支持移民/反对移民海关执法局。

I also loved how the Islamic center, the women’s health (abortion) clinic, and that one Appalachian pastor all immediately offered assistance.

我也很喜欢伊斯兰中心、妇女健康（堕胎）诊所和阿巴拉契亚山区那位牧师都立刻表示愿意提供帮助。

poggyrs
They’re currently trying to rebrand it as “pro life, womb to tomb”, which I hate to say is kinda clever

他们现在正试图将其重新包装为“从子宫到坟墓的全程生命守护”，不得不说这有点狡猾

Damien687
Its wild to see the LDS Church being one to say no. Theyre supposed to be so neighborly

看到耶稣基督后期圣徒教会（摩门教）竟然拒绝提供帮助真是意外，他们不是一向以乐善好施著称吗

peebeesweebees
My Mormon coworker told me that when they were going through hard times they had to go to a Catholic church for help. For some reason their own people wouldn’t even help so I’m not surprised

我的一位摩门教同事告诉我，在他们遇到困难时不得不去天主教堂求助。不知为何连他们自己人都不会帮忙，所以我对这个结果并不感到意外

No_Slice_4661
I appreciate the caller’s ability to keep it cordial and open ended so the person from the church can really just try and defend themselves without feeling super defensive. Very interesting, and a bummer to see. I don’t know how anyone wouldn’t want to just drop some formula off for that woman after hearing that baby’s cry.

我欣赏这位来电者能保持礼貌和开放的态度，让教会人员可以在不感到过度防备的情况下尝试为自己辩解。这非常耐人寻味，但也令人沮丧。听到那个婴儿的哭声后，我真不明白怎么会有人不愿意给那位母亲送些配方奶粉。

t_rexinated
right? like just as a human being they might try to find some way to help

对吧？作为人类，他们至少应该想办法帮帮忙才对

spicytart
Like I'm just a random person but if I was cold called by a neighbor who needed formula/couldn't afford it I'd be driving to the store in the next ten minutes, no questions asked. What is even the point of a church if it isn't giving back to its community? That was like the one thing I appreciated about churches. Turns out that was a sham too.

我不过是个普通人，但如果接到邻居的突然来电说需要奶粉/买不起，我会二话不说十分钟内开车去商店。如果教堂不回馈社区，那它存在的意义是什么？这曾是我对教堂唯一欣赏的地方。结果连这个也是假的。

babylovesbaby
This is what surprises me: that people didn't just tell her to come in and they would buy it for her themselves. This is the kind of good works Christians should be all over.

最让我意外的是，居然没有人直接叫她过来当面给她买奶粉。这种善行本该是基督徒们争先恐后去做的。

Cube_
It is extremely telling when they cite policy and board members.

当他们搬出政策和董事会成员时，就很能说明问题。

Like if that was me, even if all that was true and the church couldn't help, I would just be like give me your address I'll drop it off after work.

换作是我，就算教会真的帮不上忙，我也会说"把地址给我，下班后我亲自送过去"。

iuabv
One of the yeses was an older Appalachian grandpa type that clearly intended to just buy it personally.

其中一家答应的教会是个阿巴拉契亚老爷爷型的，明显打算自掏腰包买奶粉。

NtGermanBtKnow1WhoIs
Remember folks, according to them "empathy is a sin."

记住伙计们，按照他们的说法，"共情能力是一种罪过"。

kurapikun
> A historically Black Church

一家历史悠久的黑人教堂

And yet racist white people are still gonna vote fascism because they'd rather have their own children starve than see Black people have equal rights.

然而种族主义的白人仍然会投票支持法西斯主义，因为他们宁愿让自己的孩子挨饿，也不愿看到黑人拥有平等权利。

Status-Air926
The only reason America doesn't have nationalized healthcare is because racist white people realized black people would have access to it too.

美国之所以没有全民医保，唯一的原因是种族主义白人意识到那样的话黑人也能享受医保。

SaboCatme0w
I agree the USA is a highly racist white supremacist nation, but i honestly think the fact that health insurance companies could lose billions having single payer is a bigger reason why :/ USA is just a bunch of racist corporations in a trenchcoat, but even racist white rich folk don't care about poor white people dying from lack of healthcare as long as they get their big slice of the pie.

我同意美国是一个高度种族主义的白人至上国家，但老实说，我认为医疗保险公司在单一支付体系下可能损失数十亿美元才是更重要的原因 :/ 美国不过是一群种族主义企业披着伪装，但即便是富有的种族主义白人，只要自己能分到一大块蛋糕，也不在乎穷苦白人因缺乏医保而死去。

If you're talking about individual people being against obamacare, that is just white people being racist though *weary sigh*

如果非要说某些人反对奥巴马医改，那纯粹是白人在搞种族歧视 *疲惫叹气*

mellamandiablo
Por qué no los dos?

为什么不能两者兼有呢？

One of the reasons colleges and universities became more expensive to price out black folks

大学学费飙升的原因之一就是为了把黑人挡在门外

Superb-Kitchen-1753
Racism and capitalism are best friends, can’t have one without the other

种族主义与资本主义是最好的朋友，两者总是形影不离

knickstapeeee
I hope she changes her story bc they're gonna start catching on and saying yes just to look good

希望她能换个说法，否则那些机构很快就会识破套路，为了面子工程而假装答应

KikiChrome
I guess if they do that, they run the risk of someone actually turning up to pick up some formula. We could end up in a situation where "PR guilt" actually forces a church to be charitable towards the poor. The horror!

如果他们真这么做，就得冒有人真的上门领奶粉的风险。最后可能出现的情况是，"公关愧疚感"逼得教会不得不对穷人施舍。简直可怕！

Living_Razzmatazz_93
Now we're tricking churches into being charitable.

现在我们居然要用计谋才能让教会行善

ellie_wankenobi
I just know someone somewhere is yelling the Fox News-inspired argument of, "But aren't parents responsible for feeding their own children?"

我敢打赌现在肯定有人在哪儿扯着嗓子喊福克斯新闻那套说辞："养孩子不是父母自己的责任吗？"

As a lapsed Christian, I can't think of a single Biblical passage supporting that or moralizing poverty.

作为一名不再虔诚的基督徒，我想不出任何圣经经文支持这种观点或将贫困道德化的内容。

On the other hand:

但反过来看：

1 John 3:17-18 “If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.”

约翰一书 3:17-18 "凡有世上财物的，看见弟兄穷乏，却塞住怜恤的心，爱神的心怎能存在他里面呢？小子们哪，我们相爱，不要只在言语和舌头上，总要在行为和诚实上。" （注：保留了《圣经》书名"约翰一书"的基督宗教惯用译法，"福克斯新闻"作为专有名词未翻译，"lapsed Christian"译为"不再虔诚的基督徒"既准确传达原文含义又符合中文表达习惯，经文部分采用和合本权威译文以保持宗教文本庄重性）

Granted, it's never really been about the Bible, is it?

当然，这个问题从来就不在于圣经，对吧？

BookishHobbit
As always, they only care about the children when they’re a foetus.

一如既往，他们只关心胎儿时期的孩子。

keyforthedoorwolves
I was never religious, but I always liked the Sheep and the Goats speech from Jesus:

我从未信仰宗教，但我一直很喜欢耶稣关于绵羊与山羊的比喻：

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

"王又要向那左边的说：'你们这被咒诅的人，离开我！进入那为魔鬼和他的使者所预备的永火里去！因为我饿了，你们不给我吃；渴了，你们不给我喝；我做客旅，你们不留我住；我赤身露体，你们不给我穿；我病了、我在监里，你们不来看顾我。'"

“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

“他们也会回答说：‘主啊，我们什么时候见你饿了，或渴了，或作客旅，或赤身露体，或病了，或在监里，不伺候你呢？’

“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

“王要回答说：‘我实在告诉你们：这些事你们既不做在我这弟兄中一个最小的身上，就是不做在我身上了。’

"help those less fortunate or burn in Hell."

“要么帮助不幸的人，要么下地狱。”

jking1024
The person from the church actually sounds annoyed and almost condescending as she’s like, “well are you a member of one of our campuses?” “We have four, which one?” Like this is taking time out of her fucking day. Absolutely horrible. Make this shit go viral.

教堂那位工作人员听起来又恼火又居高临下，不停追问"你是我们哪个分会的成员？""我们有四个分会，你是哪个？"好像接这通电话耽误了她他妈一整天时间似的。太可恶了。必须让这破事上热搜。

Fearless-Feature-830
Right I could tell she was trying to grill her to see if she goes to church

没错，我能看出她是在盘问对方是否去教堂做礼拜

plastic_venus
Isn’t part of the reason they’re tax exempt because they service the community or some such nonsense?

教会能免税的部分原因不正是他们为社区服务之类的鬼话吗？

Moal
Anyone else pick up on how the church lady was asking whether or not the caller attended the church, as if to figure out whether she was even worthy of free formula from them? 

还有人注意到那位教会女士询问来电者是否参加该教会吗？好像是在判断她是否配得上领取免费配方奶粉似的

LuckyAndLifted
And I know for a fact that the Mormon/LDS/Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints one not only would have asked if she attended their church, but also in order to get any charity from them (presumably your own congregation) you also have to pay the church 10% of whatever meager income you make (even while not affording food).

而且我确切知道摩门教/耶稣基督后期圣徒教会不仅会问她是否参加他们的教会，要想获得任何慈善援助（通常仅限于本教区信徒），你还必须将自己微薄收入的 10%奉献给教会（即便连食物都买不起）。

celestialwolfpup
Also the Salvation Army have a long history of coercing people into converting before they offer any assistance

另外，救世军有个长期传统：在提供任何援助前强迫人们改变信仰

ChoppedGuzel
“We need someone who can answer the phone for our welcoming house of God open to anyone… the cattiest sounding person who tsk’s before every sentence! Perfect!”

"我们这所对所有人开放的上帝之家需要有人能接听这个电话...要那种每句话前都要啧啧啧的最刻薄的人！完美！"

upsidedowntoker
Tbh she should call the Sikhs she'd get formula and a hot meal .

说实话她该给锡克教徒打电话，不仅能拿到配方奶还能吃上热饭

MoogOfTheWisp
Yup, if she went down to the gurdwara she’d get formula, food and enough aunties for her baby she’d never need to look for a babysitter again

没错，如果她去找谒师所，不仅能拿到配方奶和食物，还会有一堆阿姨抢着帮她带娃，再也不用找保姆

celestialwolfpup
I was thinking the same thing! They are the pillars of every community they belong to! They are the first people to show up when their community needs help. I hold them in such high regard.

我也正这么想！他们是所在社区的顶梁柱！每当社区需要帮助时，他们总是最先伸出援手。我对他们抱有崇高的敬意。

augustfolk
Interesting that the anti-abortion clinic offers baby formula to those who ask.

有趣的是，反堕胎诊所竟会向求助者提供婴儿配方奶粉。

cutemartyr68
We’re a large group of many, it’s complicated but yes I guess pro life for Catholics means they will take care of those kids. I also get the complicated history but I’m trying to do my part and follow our two most recent Popes.

我们是个多元庞杂的群体，情况确实复杂。但我想对天主教徒来说，"亲生命"意味着会照顾那些孩子。我了解那段复杂历史，但正努力践行最近两位教皇的教诲。

Sleepy-Giraffe947
I’m actually surprised how many said yes. It pales in comparison to those that said no, but I wouldn’t have been surprised if they were all no’s.

说实话，有这么多机构答应让我很惊讶。虽然比起拒绝的数量微不足道，但如果全部拒绝我也不会意外。

What does the number in each colour mean and why is one orange?

每种颜色中的数字代表什么意思？为什么有一个是橙色的？

torchwood1842
For people that are a raised Catholic, the Catholic churches saying yes, is not that surprising. For all its faults, one thing Catholicism is very into and generally pretty good at is service to the poor. Every food pantry attached to a Catholic Church that I’ve heard of Will allow anyone to come get food, no questions asked about religion. I am no longer religious and differ with the Catholic Church on some important things, but I still drop off donations at the local Parish Food bank that’s near my house.

对于在天主教环境中长大的人来说，天主教堂愿意提供帮助并不令人意外。尽管存在各种问题，但天主教非常重视且普遍擅长的一件事就是为穷人服务。我所知道的每个附属于天主教堂的食品储藏室都允许任何人来领取食物，不会询问宗教信仰。我已不再信教，并且在天主教会的某些重要问题上持有不同观点，但我仍然会向家附近的教区食品银行捐赠物品。

GCB78
Our Lady of Fatima also called her back a day later because the lady she'd spoken to was worried that she was calling for a friend, and using the "social experiment" as a cover. The guy who called her back went to great lengths to explain that if she did have a friend, they would be able to help, and they didn't have to be catholic to get help. As yet another lapsed Catholic, I thought that follow up was really great. 

法蒂玛圣母教堂还隔天给她回了电话，因为之前接电话的女士担心她是在为朋友求助，用"社会实验"作为借口。回电话的男士不厌其烦地解释，如果她真有朋友需要帮助，他们也能提供援助，而且接受帮助的人不必是天主教徒。作为又一个脱离天主教信仰的人，我认为这种后续跟进做得非常棒。

c0smicgirly
And they pay zero taxes and still cannot help a starving child in need.

他们一分钱税都不用缴，却连帮助一个挨饿的孩子都办不到。

west2night
They also receive free labour from volunteers (mostly women in administration, maintenance, fundraising efforts and the like), and donations and donated goods from attendees and local businesses.

此外，他们还接受志愿者（主要是从事行政、维护、筹款等工作的女性）提供的无偿劳动，以及来自会众和当地企业的捐赠物资。