西贡现在看起来像中国的二线城市了。网友：二线？五线还差不多

Henri-W-Defense
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It is a shame they never followed the plan from the early 2000s that would have left D1 mostly untouched and located all the sky scrappers and high rises and modern development to Thủ Thiêm.
 
真可惜，他们从未遵循21世纪初的规划，那个规划本可以使第一郡（D1）大部分地区保持原样，并将所有摩天大楼、高层建筑和现代化开发项目都安置到守添（Thủ Thiêm）。
 
trunksfulleh
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Common sense isn’t so common for urban planning in VN
 
在越南的城市规划里，常识并非那么“常有”。
 
Charming_Barnthroawe
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There’s urban planning here?
Joking, of course, but you know what I mean…
 
这里有城市规划？
开玩笑的啦，不过你懂我意思……
 
DaVietDoomer114
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The plan was to ignore all advices from geocologists and build as much as possible on sinking ground to funnel as much money into their pockets as possible.
Which is why half of Saigon now is literally sinking, who care about consequences for future generation, they’d be long dead and their children would already be emigrated.
 
所谓的规划就是无视地质学家的所有建议，在下沉的地基上尽可能多地盖楼，以便将尽可能多的钱敛入他们自己的腰包。
这就是为什么现在半个西贡实际上都在下沉。谁会关心对子孙后代的影响呢，反正到那时候他们早就死了，他们的孩子也已经移民了。
 
Charming_Barnthroawe
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No joke. As someone who's a friend of a son of some big-shot official, his family has more than enough money for him to emigrate and live the rest of his life in luxury without even needing to go to college (but the guy's a brilliant chap). There's not much incentive for them to care about this country or its infrastructure.
 
不开玩笑。我一个朋友是某位高官的儿子，他家里的钱多到足够他移民并在国外奢侈地度过余生，甚至都不需要上大学（不过那家伙本人倒是个很聪明的小伙子）。对于他们来说，根本没有多少动力去关心这个国家或其基础设施。
 
BiggusCinnamusRollus
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That's what happens when core technology is Phanlobannen
 
当核心技术就是“分地皮卖钱”时，就会发生这种事。
 
lostaccountby2fa
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that whole area Thu Thiem and D1 HCM is build on sinking marshland. it's estimated with average rates around 16.2 millimeters (0.6 inches) per year,
 
守添和胡志明市第一郡的整个区域都建在正在下沉的沼泽地上。据估计，平均每年的下沉速度约为16.2毫米（0.6英寸）。
 
Mysteriouskid00
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So what you’re saying is the flooding will only get worse?
Maybe HCM can brand itself as the new New Orleans!
 
所以你的意思是洪水只会越来越严重？
也许胡志明市可以把自己打造成新的“新奥尔良”！
 
amadmongoose
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They still have the plan it just got completely messed up by incompetence due to land use bureaucracy
 
他们还是有规划的，只是因为土地使用方面的官僚主义和无能，把事情彻底搞砸了。
 
Mysteriouskid00
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That’s still the plan?
However “build it and they will come” doesn’t work.
There are a few very nice residential developments in Thu Thiem but it’s still a mess
 
那现在仍然是计划吗？
然而，“建好了，人自然会来”的模式是行不通的。
守添有一些非常不错的住宅开发项目，但那里仍然一团糟。
 
Beneficial_Welder491
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So lots of lights on the buildings?
 
所以就是建筑物上有很多灯？
 
docatwar
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Lights on building = Developed country /s
 
建筑物上有灯 = 发达国家 /s（反讽）
 
Byree2d
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Maybe at night. In daylight, not so much.
 
也许晚上是这样。白天嘛，就不太像了。
 
basafish
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No, Saigon is far from tier 2 city. Have you ever actually seen a tier 2 China city? Saigon is tier 3 at best.
Here is a typical tier 3 city (Zhuhai)
https://www.China2west.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Zhuhai-.png
Here is a tier 2 city (Suzhou)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E4%B9%8B%E9%97%A81.jpg/1200px-%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E4%B9%8B%E9%97%A81.jpg
 
不，西贡远不及二线城市。你真的见过中国的二线城市吗？西贡充其量就是个三线。
这是一个典型的三线城市（珠海）
这是一个二线城市（苏州）
 
tridung1505
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You got me at the first half ngl. But yeah, SG is far behind compare to the T2 city in China. When to Dongguan this July for a business trip. This is a typical T2 city in China: industrialize, near T1 city Shenzheng, etc. I gotta say all the infrastructure in DG outclassed SG. The road full of cars but traffic wasn’t bad. They have a functional subway for fuck sake. Their biggest mall is bigger than any mall in SG, probably VN as well. And this is just a T2, T1 city in China is an another league.
 
说实话，你前半句话差点骗到我。但是没错，和中国的二线城市相比，西贡差远了。我今年七月去东莞出差。那是一个典型的中国二线城市：工业化，靠近一线城市深圳等等。我得说，东莞的所有基础设施都完胜西贡。路上车很多，但交通并不糟糕。我的天，他们竟然有能正常运行的地铁。他们最大的购物中心比西贡任何一个商场都大，可能比越南任何一个商场都大。而这仅仅是一个二线城市，中国的一线城市完全是另一个级别了。
 
DimensionExotic8907
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Went to China for the first time last year and it was bigger than everything I had heard about it even though I was expecting very highly and has travelled to Malaysia, Singapore and Australia. Never seen a city where literally every building is a skyscraper before and it expanded to the horizon on all sides, like with more advanced technologies T1 Cities in China is literally the cities in those sci-fi worlds. It makes you feel both extremely small, invisible and lonely, like you are just an ant seeing those giant structures stretching endlessly to the horizon. I honestly was lost for word the first time walking along the street of Shanghai, being there in person is an entirely different feeling than watching it in a video, you just feel so small.
 
我去年第一次去中国，尽管我已经有了很高的期待，并且去过马来西亚、新加坡和澳大利亚，但中国的宏大还是超出了我所有的听闻。我从未见过一个城市，真的每一栋建筑都是摩天大楼，而且向四面八方延伸至地平线。感觉有了更先进的技术，中国的一线城市简直就是科幻世界里的城市。它让你感到自己无比渺小、无形和孤独，就像一只蚂蚁看着那些巨大的结构无尽地延伸到天际。说实话，第一次走在上海街头时，我震惊到无言以对。亲身在那里的感觉和看视频完全不同，你就是感觉自己太渺小了。
 
kirsion
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Yeah vietnam is decades behind China in terms of urban development, skyline and cityscape
 
是的，在城市发展、天际线和城市景观方面，越南落后中国几十年。
 
omiotsuke
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Tier 3? Kek.
 
三线？呵呵。
 
simulmatics
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You just gotta build a giant pair of pants.
 
你只需要建一条巨型“大裤衩”就行了。
 
Informal_Air_5026
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this is accurate. tier 2 cities in China even put most if not all cities in the US in shame. tier 1 is futuristic af.
 
这很准确。中国的二线城市甚至让美国大多数（如果不是全部的话）城市都相形见绌。一线城市简直未来感爆棚。
 
Upper-frx-619
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Can’t even compare to rural China; at least the cities in China are good-looking. HCMC? To be honest, they just build whatever the heck they want and don’t give a shit about the aesthetic aspect. LED, fucking LED everywhere.
 
连中国的农村地区都比不上；至少中国的城市还挺好看。胡志明市呢？老实说，他们就是想盖啥就盖啥，根本不在乎美学。到处都是LED，他妈的到处都是LED。
 
DontBeBrainwashedKid
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I dont understand that take. Have you been or lived in these places? Because ive been to all T1 and some T2 and T3 cities. And in some ways hcmc is better than the T1 cities lol. The main difference is that the Chinese T1 cities feel wider. Roads and shopping streets.
I mean, shanghai stood out the most to me but other than the bund and the long shopping street leading to the bund, and the decent park with the famous museum, it didnt feel "super advanced" like ppl like to pretend thanks to the constant chiense propaganda. Just because they have wider roads and a nice train station doesnt mean these T1 cities are marvels of the world.
And beijing is even worse, yes it has some famous historical buildings and areas to visit, and again a long/wide shopping street with some cool stuff. But outside of that its just a normal city that is slowly falling apart. I stayed for a week just outside the city center and the buildings felt half deserted, there was mold and damage everywhere. Only the ground was very clean cus they seem to have an army of old street sweepers, but if you used your neck to look up it was bad.
And actually that was the main thing I noticed, these cities all felt... empty. I mean sure the touristy areas were full, but besides that? I could walk about 1km and see 5 people. The subway outside rush hour was never busy like I experienced in Tokyo or seoul (outside rush hour) etc. Matter of fact, beijing and shanghai both felt kinda... boring. I prefer hcmc over any Chinese city i visited. But I never lived there so ymmv.
 
我无法理解这种看法。你去过或在这些地方生活过吗？因为我去过所有一线城市以及一些二、三线城市。在某些方面，胡志明市比一线城市还好，哈哈。主要区别在于中国的一线城市感觉更宽阔，比如道路和商业街。
我的意思是，上海给我的印象最深，但除了外滩和通往外滩的那条长长的商业街，以及那个有著名博物馆的还不错的公园外，它并没有像人们在中国持续的宣传下所假装的那么“超级先进”。仅仅因为他们有更宽的马路和漂亮的火车站，并不意味着这些一线城市就是世界奇迹。
 
北京甚至更糟，是的，它有一些著名的历史建筑和值得参观的区域，也有一条又长又宽、有些酷东西的商业街。但除此之外，它只是一个正在慢慢衰败的普通城市。我在市中心外住了一个星期，那里的建筑感觉半废弃，到处都是霉菌和破损。只有地面非常干净，因为他们似乎有一支老年扫街大军，但如果你抬头看，情况就很糟糕了。
实际上，我注意到的主要问题是，这些城市都感觉……空荡荡的。当然，旅游区人满为患，但除此之外呢？我可能走一公里只能看到五个人。非高峰时段的地铁从来不像我在东京或首尔（非高峰时段）经历的那么拥挤。事实上，北京和上海都感觉有点……无聊。在我去过的所有中国城市里，我更喜欢胡志明市。但我没在那里生活过，所以你的体验可能会有所不同。
 
KartFacedThaoDien
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How is Saigon better than Guangzhou, ShenZheng or Shanghai?
 
西贡在哪些方面比广州、深圳或上海更好？
 
Fugue_State76
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I’m saying it’s better and I used to live in China. If you are just talking about one aspect: “infrastructure” then Chinese cities obviously win. But if you take into account all the other more important aspects that make a city great like the energy, vibe, creativity, innovative spirit, historic architecture, open & friendly locals, colorful buildings, etc then Saigon wins Hands Down. There’s a reason why Vietnam is so hot for international tourism these days and literally no international tourist goes to China unless paid or given a free trip by the govt to do propaganda vids. Concrete, metal girders, and loud robot voices barking at me at massive overcrowded train stations are what I remember from living in China. Shudder. Don’t miss it for a second. Love Saigon and it’s cool, colorful, open vibes… very opposite to China
 
我就是要说它更好，而且我以前在中国住过。如果你只谈论一个方面：“基础设施”，那中国城市显然赢了。但如果你考虑到所有其他让一个城市变得伟大的更重要的方面，比如活力、氛围、创造力、创新精神、历史建筑、开放友好的本地人、色彩缤纷的建筑等等，那么西贡毫无疑问会胜出。为什么越南如今在国际旅游业中如此火爆，而几乎没有国际游客去中国（除非是政府付钱或提供免费旅行让他们拍宣传视频），这是有原因的。混凝土、金属大梁，以及在拥挤不堪的巨大火车站里对着我大喊的机器人噪音，这些是我在中国生活的记忆。不寒而栗。我一点也不怀念。我爱西贡，爱它那酷炫、多彩、开放的氛围……与中国截然相反。
 
KartFacedThaoDien
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I think the number one thing that’s better for a lot of people is the white worship. China has it but in Vietnam it skyrockets to insane levels.
 
我认为对很多人来说，一个地方最好的一点是“白人崇拜”。中国也有，但在越南，这种现象达到了疯狂的程度。
 
Jazzlike-Check9040
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SG is a tier 3 city.
 
西贡是一个三线城市。
 
AnnoymousName8
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Nice try. As someone who has lived in both - this statement could not be further from the truth!
Things a Tier 2 or 3 city in China will have:
\\\\-A widely used metro system with multiple lines.
\\\\-High speed rail access.
\\\\-A modern airport.
\\\\-Cleaner, safer, walkable streets and parks.
\\\\-Effective drainage systems. Cities in China are back to normal after a day, while the exact same typhoon will leave a city in Vietnam a flooded mess for weeks.
\\\\-Much better medical care.
\\\\-Less obnoxious noise.
\\\\-A vastly superior network of apps for online shopping and payments. (It dosen't get much worse than Zalo)
Also, in China, they wouldn't put tacky crap like "I  CN" on a building. Everything in Vietnam is a pep rally designed to distract the masses with nationalism in place of actual tangible results for its citizens. (Sadly, this appears to be working)
As much as the Viets claim to hate the Chinese, they seem to try and copy them at every turn, yet remain very very far behind.
 
想得美。作为一个在这两边都生活过的人，我可以告诉你这个说法错得离谱！
一个中国的二线或三线城市会具备以下条件：
- 一个被广泛使用的、拥有多条线路的地铁系统。
- 能通上高铁。
- 一个现代化的机场。
- 更干净、更安全、适合步行的街道和公园。
- 高效的排水系统。同样一个台风过后，中国的城市一天就能恢复正常，而越南的城市会内涝数周。
- 好得多的医疗服务。
- 更少的恼人噪音。
- 一个极其优越的用于在线购物和支付的应用网络。（真的很难找到比Zalo更差的了）
而且，在中国，他们不会在建筑上放“我❤️中国”这种俗气的东西。越南的一切都是一场动员大会，旨在用民族主义来分散民众的注意力，而不是为公民带来实实在在的成果。（可悲的是，这招似乎还挺管用）
尽管越南人声称多么讨厌中国人，他们似乎处处都在模仿，却依然远远落后。
 
AriyaSavaka
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Thanks for clarification. HCM City is Tier 4 at best lMao. The sewage and drainage system is horrible, the ground is sinking everywhere, urban planning and logistics look like they're designed by a kid.
 
感谢澄清。胡志明市充其量就是个四线城市，笑死。排污和排水系统糟透了，地面到处都在下沉，城市规划和物流看起来就像是小孩设计的。
 
cooki-yes-good
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Vietnamese people hating on Chinese people has always confused me, I too have noticed they are constantly trying to emulate them.
Whenever I come across a Vietnamese post on social media, it’s almost always just reposted content from Chinese social media from all aspects, be it beauty, fashion, makeup, lifestyle, comedy, etc. they seem to really like the content, but at the same time hate the people.
Or when they absolutely detest when someone assumes they’re Chinese, but then they’re styled exactly the same as a Chinese person. Going back to the reposted content, sometimes they try to pass off the Chinese people as Vietnamese so idk why they get mad when people start to assume they are/look Chinese when that’s the image they’re putting up online.
 
越南人讨厌中国人这件事一直让我很困惑，我也注意到他们总是在模仿中国人。
每当我在社交媒体上看到越南的帖子，几乎都是转发的中国社交媒体内容，涵盖了美妆、时尚、化妆、生活方式、喜剧等各个方面。他们似乎真的很喜欢这些内容，但同时又讨厌中国人。
还有，当有人以为他们是中国人时，他们会表现得极其厌恶，但他们的打扮风格却和中国人一模一样。回到转发内容的话题，有时他们会试图把视频里的中国人伪装成越南人，所以我搞不懂，既然他们在网上展现的就是这样的形象，为什么当人们开始认为他们是/长得像中国人时，他们还会生气。
 
AnnoymousName8
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Vietnam's tourism return rate is 5%, one of the lowest in the world.
 
越南的旅游回头率是5%，是全世界最低的国家之一。
 
altaccount90z
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I’ll never understand the appeal of RGB lighting of large cities or why people thinks this defines an attractive place to see everyday. Would prefer more walkable environments and large green parks in the city when you want to get away from a concrete jungle without having to go miles outside the city to experience that.
Also, this probably won’t butcher the cost of living as you think. Labor is still extremely cheap and surplus in Vietnam, given that it’s still a developing country. Places like the West and America, where the wages are extremely high and most are educated, are seeking higher paying roles than laborers and construction workers. There are also strict regulations and red tape that go into building and constructing a city.
Just look at Bangkok or Malaysia, you can still find a decent meal for around $1, rent a condo for about $250, and transportation is still relatively affordable. If prices were to suddenly skyrocket, it would likely be due to artificial manipulation.
 
我永远无法理解大城市的RGB灯效有什么吸引力，也不明白为什么人们认为这是一个每天都值得看的美景。我更希望城市里有更多适合步行的环境和大型绿地公园，这样当你想逃离钢筋水泥的丛林时，不必跑到城外好几英里。
另外，这可能不会像你想象的那样导致生活成本飙升。考虑到越南仍是一个发展中国家，劳动力依然非常廉价且过剩。而在西方和美国等地，工资极高，大多数人受过良好教育，他们寻求的是比劳工和建筑工人薪水更高的职位。建设城市也面临着严格的法规和繁琐的程序。
看看曼谷或马来西亚就知道了，你仍然能以大约1美元的价格吃到一顿像样的饭，用大约250美元租到一套公寓，交通也相对实惠。如果物价突然暴涨，那很可能是人为操纵的结果。
 
Mysteriouskid00
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Yup.  By OP’s standards, Las Vegas must be the most beautiful city on earth will all the lights
 
是的。按照楼主的标准，拥有那么多灯光的拉斯维加斯一定是地球上最美丽的城市了。
 
ShrimpCrackers
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Futuristic and Vibrant is Singapore or places like Amsterdam. Not cheap tacky LEDs adorning random buildings at night. There's a big difference. Walkable cities is paramount, not a path where you can go along while highways zip by bisecting cities into smaller isolated pieces.
 
有未来感和活力的是新加坡或阿姆斯特丹这样的地方，而不是晚上用廉价俗气的LED灯装饰的随机建筑。这有很大的区别。适合步行的城市才是最重要的，而不是那种高速公路呼啸而过、将城市分割成一个个孤立小块的地方。
 
Gooseplan
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Singapore lights up at night too.
 
新加坡晚上也亮灯。
 
ShrimpCrackers
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Not to the degree the other cities are doing it.
Also, Singapore is WALKABLE and livable especially downtown. You have rest areas. You have actual places where people live and work with pathways, shops, for everyone and all classes. It's not defined by tacky LED towers and "luxury" (read tacky that real rich people don't actually buy) brands being sold. The entire city of Singapore is walkable and livable with real neighborhoods.
Creating big boulevards to cut the cities into pieces is the wrong move. Granted, Singapore has its share of luxury malls, but they're intermixed, which allows diversity of classes. Its usually not empty Gucci stores filling a mall.
 
程度和其他城市不一样。
而且，新加坡是适合步行和居住的，尤其是在市中心。那里有休息区，有真正供各阶层人士生活和工作的地方，有步道和商店。它不是由俗气的LED塔和所谓的“奢侈”品牌（实际上是俗气到真正的有钱人根本不会买的品牌）来定义的。整个新加坡城都有着真实的社区，适合步行和居住。
修建宽阔的大道将城市切割成碎片是错误的做法。诚然，新加坡也有奢侈品商场，但它们是混合在一起的，这使得不同阶层得以共存。商场里通常不会只有空荡荡的Gucci店。
 
zen1706
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one big thing they have over us is their very robust public transportation system. Saigon is still trash in that regard, with a single metro line going 20km, and bus drivers going around like maniacs.
 
他们有一点比我们强太多了，那就是他们非常健全的公共交通系统。西贡在这方面仍然是垃圾，只有一条20公里长的地铁线，公交车司机开车像疯子一样。
 
Gooseplan
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That seems to be more of a city planning issue rather than an LED one.
 
这似乎更多是城市规划问题，而不是LED灯的问题。
 
Fugue_State76
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Singapore is as bland and soulless as Dubai, barf
 
新加坡和迪拜一样平淡无奇、没有灵魂，恶心。
 
Mysteriouskid00
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It’s cheap LEDS.  That’s all it is
 
那就是些廉价的LED灯，仅此而已。
 
7LeagueBoots
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No, it looks like it’s trying to be an ‘80s cyberpunk dystopia.
This hasn’t looked ‘modern’ or ‘vibrant’ since *Akira* was showing on the big screen.
 
不，这看起来像是在努力成为一个80年代的赛博朋克反乌托邦。
自从电影《阿基拉》上映以来，这种风格就不再显得“现代”或“有活力”了。
 
Apprehensive-Rub4311
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You know that walkable cities require a transit oriented model and strong central planning right?
Unlike Amsterdam which was rich or Singapore which was poor but had strong centralization, HCMC was both poor and lacked strong planning as the North was still consolidating control post 1975. This results in a much more informal and sprawling urban development that encourages heavy motorbike-centric culture, making new redevelopment very challenging. Besides, a metro system was not something that Vietnam could afford back then.
Fortunately, Vietnam has shifted focus back to TOD model again with infrastructure redevelopment and new metros so I believe the situation will improve drastically in the next 10 years and beyond.
 
你知道的，要打造步行城市，需要一个以公共交通为导向的模式（TOD）和强有力的中央规划，对吧？
和富裕的阿姆斯特丹或者贫穷但高度集权的的新加坡不同，胡志明市既贫穷又缺乏强有力的规划，因为1975年后北方仍在巩固控制。这导致了一种更为非正式和杂乱无序的城市发展，鼓励了以摩托车为中心的重度文化，使得新的再开发项目变得极具挑战性。此外，那时候的越南也负担不起地铁系统。
幸运的是，越南已经通过基础设施重建和新建地铁，重新将重点转回了TOD模式，所以我相信在未来10年及以后，情况将会有极大的改善。
 
tallandfree
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Meal for $1 in Malaysia? Where?
 
在马来西亚花1美元吃一顿？在哪？
 
finnlizzy
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Indian places.
 
印度餐厅。
 
basafish
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Bro I would actually be happy if Saigon looks like a real tier 2 city in China. Have you ever seen any tier 2 city in China? Saigon is tier 3 at best. Tier 2 city is like Suzhou, Qingdao, Dalian, Tianjin, maybe Wuhan and Chengdu, but those are now closer to tier 1.
 
兄弟，如果西贡看起来真像中国的二线城市，我其实会很高兴的。你见过中国任何一个二线城市吗？西贡充其量就是个三线。二线城市像是苏州、青岛、大连、天津，也许还有武汉和成都，但这些现在都更接近一线了。
 
Boring-Test5522
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I mean, for sure it does. But saigon is tier 3 city in China but it has tier 1 real estate price lol.
 
我的意思是，确实是这样。但西贡是个中国的“三线”城市，却有着一线的房价，哈哈。
 
KartFacedThaoDien
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It has tier 1 real estate prices while tier 1 cities have a larger economy than the entire country of Vietnam.
 
它有着一线的房价，而那些一线城市的经济总量比整个越南还大。
 
lostaccountby2fa
likes: 5
yeah HCM is far from that.
 
是的，胡志明市离那个水平还差得远。
 
Departed00
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Certainly 'China lite' in many ways...
 
确实在很多方面是“中国青春版”……
 
Bottom-Bherp3912
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They cry about how much they hate China while having copied China in just about everything. The irony
 
他们一边哭喊着多讨厌中国，一边又几乎在所有事情上抄袭中国。真是讽刺。
 
Khiemdaoo
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It is kind of normal and a smart way to learn and copy from the one that more developed than you, every countries on earth does that, even from the one you despite like Japan and western nation at first or China to the western world from the late 70s onwards. We do understand that as well about the risk and opportunity and try our best to navigate that. Those who opposed it are most likely to be butthurt nationalist who too ignorance for their own good
 
向比你更发达的对象学习和模仿，这其实很正常，也是一种聪明的方式。地球上每个国家都这么做，即使是最初你鄙视的对象，比如日本和西方国家，或者从70年代末开始中国向西方世界学习。我们也明白其中的风险和机遇，并尽力去应对。那些反对的人，很可能只是些玻璃心的民族主义者，他们的无知对自身毫无益处。
 
louitobias
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The Saigon government want the city to be like Singapore but the problem is that the locals just don't have the mindset (and nor should they).
'Yeah let us tear down all the heritage buildings we have that remind people of why Saigon was so beautiful, and build cheap lego towers full of cheap LED lights that ruin the skyline.'
 
西贡政府想让这座城市变得像新加坡一样，但问题是当地人没有那种心态（他们也不应该有）。
‘好啊，让我们拆掉所有那些能让人记起西贡为何如此美丽的遗产建筑，然后去建满是廉价LED灯、破坏天际线的廉价乐高式塔楼吧。’
 
Automatic-Unit-8307
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Tier 2 city, I wish. That means subway the entire city, walkable streets, etc
 
二线城市，我倒是希望呢。那意味着全城覆盖地铁，有适合步行的街道等等。
 
Least_Light2558
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Eh, I wouldn't say Chinese cities are pedestrian friendly. The entire street is dedicated to car, with bike, moped and people sharing the tiny sidewalk. But the city planning still have sidewalk in mind, Vietnam sidewalk is an afterthought, and often gets entirely occupied by street vendor
 
呃，我不会说中国的城市对行人友好。整个街道都是为汽车设计的，自行车、助动车和行人挤在狭窄的人行道上。但中国的城市规划至少还考虑到了人行道，而越南的人行道完全是事后才想到的东西，还经常被街头小贩完全占据。
 
finnlizzy
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Chinese cities are mad walkable
 
中国的城市超级适合步行。
 
Casamance
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Beijing is tier 1 but it's incredibly car brained. Also there's a joke in China that if you live in ring road 3 and you want to date someone in ring road 6, or if you want to date someone on the opposite side of the city, then you're effectively in a long distance relationship.
 
北京是一线城市，但它的城市规划简直是“车本位”思想的极致。在中国还有个笑话，说如果你住在三环，想和六环的人约会，或者想和城市另一头的人约会，那你们基本上就是异地恋了。
 
GenGun
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I think Saigon is like a tier 3 or 4 city in China. It cannot be compared with the capital of any province.
 
我认为西贡相当于中国的三线或四线城市。它无法与任何一个省的省会相比。
 
Bottom-Bherp3912
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Love when they use some nighttime drone footage of flashy lights from hundreds of ft in the air to show how "modern and developed" Saigon is.
A few flashy lights on the buildings doesn't put them anywhere near a Tier 2 city in China, especially with the lack of infrastructure Saigon still has. Dressing up dirty, chaotic unwalkable streets with some flashy LED skyscrapers doesn't make a place developed.
Even Tier 4 cities in the provinces of China have modern metros, proper public transport and clean, walkable streets.
Now let's see some daytime footage at street level to show us what it's really like.
 
我最“喜欢”看他们用一些几百英尺高空拍的夜间无人机视频，用闪烁的灯光来展示西贡有多“现代和发达”。
建筑上的一些花哨灯光并不能让它接近中国的二线城市，尤其是考虑到西贡仍然缺乏基础设施。用一些华而不实的LED摩天大楼来装点肮脏、混乱、无法步行的街道，并不能让一个地方变得发达。
即使是中国各省的四线城市也有现代化的地铁、像样的公共交通和干净、适合步行的街道。
现在，让我们看看一些白天的街景镜头，来展示一下它到底是什么样子。
 
CaregiverOdd2038
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Forreal… I lived in HCMC, now living in a tier 2 city in China. No way HCMC is tier 2
 
真的… 我在胡志明市住过，现在住在中国一个二线城市。胡志明市绝不可能是二线。
 
Boring-Test5522
likes: 1
damn, that hits hard
 
我去，这话太扎心了。
 
chartry0
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Saigon is tier 4
 
西贡是四线。
 
Least_Light2558
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The public transport network, particularly metro is still severely underdeveloped compared to any Chinese cities. The government should do more about that before they make any claim.
 
公共交通网络，尤其是地铁，与任何中国城市相比都还严重不发达。政府在吹嘘之前应该在这方面多下点功夫。
 
RotisserieChicken007
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Looks like it perhaps from above at night.
Daytime on the ground it's more of a tier 3 African city.
Chinese tier 5 cities are even much better.
 
也许晚上从高空看是这样。
白天在地面上，它更像一个非洲的三线城市。
中国的五线城市都比这好得多。
 
Alternative_Pea_161
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Lived in both Shanghai and HCMC, and way prefer HCMC. Yes Shanghai has better public transport, but that is the only thing better. Never seen public defecation in Saigon, nor spitting.
 
在上海和胡志明市都住过，我更喜欢胡志明市。是的，上海的公共交通更好，但那也是唯一更好的地方。我在西贡从没见过当街大小便，也没见过随地吐痰。
 
Chilltastic3000
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You have not been to hcmc If you haven’t seen someone spitting
You haven’t seen anyone just toss trash on the ground either right?
 
如果你没见过有人吐痰，那你就算没来过胡志明市。
你肯定也没见过有人随地扔垃圾，对吧？
 
Olithenomad
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Another Vietnam & China expert
 
又来一个越南和中国问题专家。
 
UserLesser2004
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Can see the clear Chinese urban city layout inspired layout.
 
能看出明显受到中国城市布局启发的痕迹。
 
Complex-Sir-6125
likes: 3
Lol, tier 3 or 4 at best
 
哈哈，充其量三线或四线。
 
Choice-Rope2147
likes: 3
I have been to China and it‘s true
 
我去过中国，这是真的。
 
xeprone1
likes: 3
Saigon isn't at all like any Chinese city, it's more comparable to Karachi or Mumbai.
Noisy dirty chaotic unwalkable with terrible public transportation.
 
西贡根本不像任何中国城市，它更像卡拉奇或孟买。
嘈杂、肮脏、混乱、不适合步行，公共交通糟糕透顶。
 
Rainbow_tree66
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China have I love xx in many cities too…
 
中国很多城市也有“我爱XX”……
 
Rocky_Bukkake
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a damn shame. the lighting in EVERY city in China is neat at first (not mindblowing), then tacky, then old. it’s not unique and it kinda looks like shit close up. a cheap thrill for a skyline shot. wish cities would stop doing this.
 
真他妈的可耻。中国每个城市的灯光，起初看着还行（谈不上惊艳），然后就变得俗气，最后就过时了。它毫无特色，近看就像一坨屎。只是为了拍一张天际线照片而带来的廉价快感。希望各个城市能停止这么做。
 
CoastalTraveller
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I hope it retains a totally unique Vietnam vibe. I would absolutely hate Vietnam to mimic China
 
我希望它能保留完全独特的越南风情。我绝对不希望越南模仿中国。
 
dvn1491
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Ah yes, the beautiful RGB Lighting skyscrapers with ZERO walkability. Much development.
 
啊是的，美丽的RGB灯效摩天大楼，加上零步行体验。真是大发展啊。
 
Pase4nik_Fedot
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I haven't been to China, but Saigon looked less impressive to me than Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia or central Singapore...
 
我没去过中国，但西贡给我的印象不如马来西亚的吉隆坡或新加坡市中心……
 
Adventurous-Ad5999
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is that I love VN building finished now? I was only gone for 2 months
 
那个“我爱越南”的大楼现在建完了吗？我才离开两个月。
 
Livid_Gane
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This Sh*t tower beaming light directly to my apartment every night
 
这个破塔每天晚上都把光直接射进我的公寓。
 
KartFacedThaoDien
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No it doesn’t. Chengdu and Chongqing each have a gdp per capita of around $15,000 and their metros are 650 km and 560km in length. They are both overall richer and cheaper to live in than Saigon. Chongqing alone almost has a larger economy than Vietnam.
 
不，不像。成都和重庆的人均GDP都在15000美元左右，它们的地铁长度分别是650公里和560公里。总体而言，它们都比西贡更富裕，生活成本也更低。仅重庆一个市的经济总量就几乎比整个越南还大。
 
Sinaloa_Parcero
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Saigon is nothing like a tier 2 city in China
Tier 2 city in China has a full metro
Saigon is probably not even comparable to tier 3 in China
 
西贡跟中国的二线城市一点也不像。
中国的二线城市有完善的地铁系统。
西贡可能连中国的三线城市都比不上。
 
Jazzlike-Check9040
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it looks like, from this photo but its far from it on the ground
 
从这张照片看是挺像的，但在地面上看就差远了。
 
thisistheplaceof
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Light pollution is nothing to brag about
 
光污染没什么值得吹嘘的。
 
timevirus
likes: 1
LMao!  T2?  Since when is SG infrastructure, amenities, and public transportation so good?
You're barely T3.
 
笑死！二线？西贡的基础设施、便利设施和公共交通什么时候这么好了？
你勉强算个三线吧。