外国网友讨论：对于那些不想生孩子的人，您想说什么？

 
April Moreno
Good for them. No one should be bringing children into Nazi America under Trump. To all women: the red states will let you DIE if there are any complications, such as a miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy. Doctors cannot perform a simple D&C because Republicans have politicized a simple procedure. A D&C saves lives. The Epstein victims will be speaking out on September 3rd.

真为他们高兴。在特朗普治下的纳粹美国，谁也不应该把孩子生在这里。
致所有女性：如果出现任何并发症，比如流产或宫外孕，红州会选择让你死。医生们无法进行简单的子宫切除术，因为共和党人把一个简单的手术政治化了。子宫切除术可以挽救生命。爱泼斯坦受害者将于9月3日公开发声。

How Abortion Bans Have Impacted Texans— By Bonnie Fuller | Ms. Magazine
Texas’ sweeping abortion bans have created a climate where even expert doctors trained in women’s reproductive health care—including abortion—are leaving the state. [1] Physicians like Rubino have faced impossible choices: Under the current laws, performing medically necessary abortions that prosecutors later deem illegal can result in up to 99 years in prison, a $100,000 fine, and the permanent loss of their medical license. [1] This environment of legal jeopardy and uncertainty has already triggered a significant exodus and crisis within the medical community. [1] A 2024 report by Manatt Health found that 21 percent of Texas’s obstetricians and gynecologists are considering or planning to leave the state; 2 percent have already left, while 76 percent believe they cannot practice medicine according to best clinical standards due to abortion restrictions. [1]
The impact extends well beyond doctors: Nearly half (49.6 percent) of Texas counties are now “maternity care deserts,” with no access to an OB-GYN, family physician, or midwife able to deliver babies or provide prenatal and postnatal care. [1] Since Senate Bill 8 (Texas’s first major abortion ban) became law in 2021, the state’s maternal mortality rate has soared by 56 percent, spotlighting the acute risks these laws have caused for Texans seeking essential reproductive healthcare. [1]

堕胎禁令如何影响德克萨斯人——邦妮·富勒
“德克萨斯州全面禁止堕胎的风气，使得就连接受过女性生殖保健（包括堕胎）培训的专家医生也在离开该州。 
像鲁比诺这样的医生面临着两难的抉择：根据现行法律，如果实施医学上必要的堕胎手术后，会被检察官认定为非法，最高可判处 99 年监禁、10 万美元罚款，以及永久吊销行医执照。 
这种法律风险和不确定性环境已经引发了医学界的大规模人才流失和危机。
Manatt Health 2024 年的一份报告发现，21% 的德克萨斯州妇产科医生正在考虑或计划离开该州；2% 的人已经离开，而 76% 的人认为由于堕胎限制，他们无法按照最佳临床标准行医。
其影响远不止医生：德克萨斯州近一半（49.6%）的县现在成了“产科护理荒漠”，无法获得妇产科医生、家庭医生或助产士来接生或提供产前和产后护理。
自2021年参议院第8号法案（德克萨斯州首个重大堕胎禁令）成为法律以来，该州的孕产妇死亡率飙升了56%，凸显了这些法律给寻求基本生殖保健的德克萨斯州居民带来的严重风险。”


In my opinion and experience working with sociopaths. Trump and Project 2025, who are supposed to be in charge in America, are the worst of humanity, and probably all sociopaths and narcissists. Sociopaths attract other sociopaths. America is being torn into a million pieces. Sociopaths gravitate toward others like-minded sociopaths; furthermore, they look for people who are as shallow or single-minded as they are, prone toward groupthink, and willing to embrace irresponsibility and exploitation of other people, which they deem as reasonable or fun.

在我看来，以及我与反社会人格者共事的经验表明，特朗普和他的“2025计划”，这个本应该掌控着美国的人，是人类最恶劣的代表，或许也是所有反社会人格者和自恋者最恶劣的代表。
反社会人格者会吸引其他反社会人格者。美国正被撕裂成无数碎片。反社会人格者会被志同道合的反社会人格者所吸引。此外，他们寻找的是那些和他们一样肤浅或专一、容易集体思维、愿意接受不负责任和剥削他人的人，而这些在他们看来是合理或有趣的。


Why do sociopaths seek each other out?
Sociopaths feel validated by other sociopaths, who openly praise them for the way they live their lives. They are emboldened by the strength-in-numbers effect.
Sociopaths have an unspoken agreement that their criminality can easily be rationalized as right. I’ve got your back. Also, Sociopaths seek empaths because they are bored, and sociopaths need to inflict their cruelty on other people or animals for their personal enjoyment. They appreciate those who do not challenge them with analytical thinking. By associating with other sociopaths, they find a “credible shield of defense—since others think like me, you can’t single me out as a sociopath/psychopath.

为什么反社会人格者会互相寻找？
反社会人格者会感受到其他反社会人格者的认可，因为其他人会公开赞扬他们的生活方式。他们被“人多力量大”的效应所鼓舞。
反社会人格者心照不宣地认为，他们的犯罪行为很容易被合理化为正义。
“我支持你”。
此外，反社会人格者寻找共情者是因为他们感到无聊，而反社会人格者需要将自己的残忍行为施加于他人或动物以满足个人乐趣。
他们欣赏那些不会用分析性思维挑战他们的人。通过与其他反社会人格者交往，他们找到了“可靠的防御盾牌”——因为其他人的想法和我一样，所以你无法将我单列为反社会人格者/精神病患者。


In their groupthink, they find power as they jointly mock those who come against them.Think of the Trump administration, and they are all bullies. Bullying is a form of play for sociopaths, and it provides a quick euphoria.
Now you know why Trump chose a basket of psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists, who share the same worldview—this is what America is under threat from. Psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists want to control others with whatever means possible—hence the religion or Christofascism.
Hence, the psychopathy.

在他们的群体思维中，他们通过共同嘲笑那些反对他们的人来获得力量。想想特朗普政府，他们都是恶霸。欺凌是反社会人格者的一种游戏形式，它能让人迅速获得快感。
现在你知道为什么特朗普选择了一群拥有相同世界观的精神病患者、反社会人格者和自恋者了吧——这正是美国面临的威胁。精神病患者、反社会人格者和自恋者想用尽一切手段控制他人——因此才有了宗教或者说基督教、法西斯主义。
因此才有了精神病患者。


Katie 
I understand completely.

我完全理解



Jean-Marie Valheur
Nothing. That’s their life, not mine.
Personally, I would say that fatherhood has enriched my life beyond measure. I would recommend it to everyone. But we all have a mind of our own, opinions of our own. And we all make our own choices. The one thing I would say, though, is this: “Please don’t make your status as a non-parent into your whole entire identity.”
There’s a certain subset of people — particularly among the perpetually online crowd — that has made “not having kids” as their entire identity. It’s boring, and it’s pretty lame. It is the other side of the same shitty coin the “mommy vloggers” and “momfluencers” are on… people whose entire identity resolves around the fact that they’re parents. Just, don’t do that. Do whatever you want, just don’t be that person. The one who refers to kids with mean-spirited derogatory terms like “crotch goblins”. It seriously makes me throw up.
If you don’t want to have children, by all means go ahead and not have any. And if you want to have ten, go ahead and have ten. Just don’t be annoying about it. I can accept just about any lifestyle choice out there… but I can’t and won’t accept annoying people, regardless of parental status.

没什么。那是他们的生活，不是我的。
就我个人而言，我想说，为人父极大地丰富了我的生活。我会向所有人推荐成为父亲。但我们都有自己的想法，自己的观点。我们都会做出自己的选择。不过，我想说的是：“请不要把你没有孩子的身份当成你的全部身份。”
有一部分人——尤其是那种长期游荡在网上的人——总是把“没有孩子”当成了他们的全部身份。这很无聊，也很蹩脚。
这和“妈妈视频博主”和“网红妈妈”们所处的糟糕境地完全相反……这些人的整个身份都围绕着他们是父母这个事实。
别那样做。
你想做什么就做什么，只是别成为那种人。那种用“裤裆妖精”之类的刻薄贬义词来称呼孩子的人。这真的让我想吐。
如果你不想生孩子，那就别生了。如果你想生十个，那就生十个吧。只是别惹人厌烦。我可以接受任何生活方式的选择……但我不能也不会接受烦人的人，无论他们是否为人父母。


Jordan Jay
I did once ask an aunt and uncle why they didn’t want to have children, because at that point my sisters and me didn’t have any cousins on my father’s side. They explained that they looked at the world and the way it’s going and decided that this wasn’t a world they wanted to raise children in. However, they were fantastic as an aunt and uncle.
My daughter, who’s nearly 32, has decided that she doesn’t want to have children. She’s decided that it’s much more fun to be the “kooky aunt” and take her friends’ kids out for a day, load them up on sugar, and then return them! She gets to do the fun bit and return them when they get cranky. She’s not daft!
She works as a nurse in the NHS and this involves doing shift work, which makes it much harder to be a parent - especially if she were to split from the child’s father. There are nurses out there who have children and because of having to work part time, they have to use food banks!
I fully respect my daughter’s decision but I know her mother is disappointed. She had kept a lot of nice baby clothes that Naomi had and also kept her pram, cot, and high chair. They are still hanging around taking up space in the cupboard under the stairs but I don’t think my ex can bear to part with them still. I know my ex would have loved to be a grandparent, but it’s our daughter’s choice and she shouldn’t have a kid just to please her mother.
I don’t think any of us should be pressured into having children and I mind my own business when it comes to other people’s decisions regarding whether or not to have kids. It doesn’t impact me if my friends don’t have kids, does it?

我曾经问过我的一位姑姑和姑父，为什么他们不想生孩子，因为那时，我们妹妹和我，还没有我父亲那边亲戚中的兄弟姐妹。
他们解释说，他们观察了这个世界的发展，觉得这不是一个他们想要养育孩子的世界。不过，作为姑姑和姑父，他们做得非常出色。
我女儿快32岁了，她决定不生孩子。她觉得做个“古怪的阿姨”更有趣，可以带朋友的孩子出去玩一天，让他们吃糖，然后再把他们送回来！她可以做点有趣的事，等孩子们闹脾气的时候再把他们送回去。她一点也不傻！
她在英国国家医疗服务体系（NHS）当护士，需要轮班工作，这让做父母更加困难，尤其是在她不得不和孩子的父亲分开的情况下。有些护士有孩子，因此不得不把工作变成兼职，所以不得不去食物银行领救济金！
我完全尊重女儿的决定，但我知道她的妈妈很失望。她保留了女儿的很多漂亮的婴儿服，还有她的婴儿车、婴儿床和高脚椅。这些东西现在还放在楼梯下的橱柜里，占着地方，但我觉得我的前妻还是舍不得扔掉它们。我知道我的前妻很想当祖父母，但这是我们女儿的选择，她不应该为了讨好妈妈而生孩子。
我认为我们任何人都不应该被迫生孩子，而且在别人是否要孩子的决定上，我们管不着。如果我的朋友没有孩子，这不会影响到我，不是吗？


Brian Hayford
“Cool”??
I don't know what you're expecting here. Are you trying to find arguments to pressure them into having children? If so, why?
If someone doesn't want children, who benefits from them being pressured into parenthood?
Certainly not the child, who would be raised by someone who doesn't want to raise them.
Certainly not the person, who would be dedicating the rest of their life to doing something they don't want to do.
Certainly not society, as unwanted children are unlikely to thrive, and more likely to have a negative outcome.
I can't think of any reason I would say anything at all. Just respect their choice and move on with my life. I don't need to know their reason, if they even have a defined reason.
I think what I'd say, to you, is “mind your business”.

“酷”？？
我不知道你在这里期待什么。你是想找理由逼迫他们生孩子吗？如果是，为什么？
如果有人不想要孩子，谁会从逼迫他们成为父母中受益？
当然不是孩子本身，因为孩子会被一个不想抚养他们的人抚养。
当然也不是被逼迫的人，因为这个人会把余生奉献给做自己不想做的事情。
当然也不是社会，因为不被想要的孩子不太可能茁壮成长，更有可能带来负面结果。
我想不出任何理由让我说什么。我只需要尊重他们的选择，继续我的生活。我不需要知道他们的理由，即使他们有明确的理由。
我想我会对你说：“管好你自己的事”。


Andy Sawford
Good luck to them, It’s their choice & bugger-all to do with anyone else.

祝他们好运，这是他们的选择，与其他人无关。


Stephen Leader
Why should I say anything? They have made their choice and it’s not my business to say otherwise.

我为什么要说什么？他们已经做出了选择，我无权评论。

Pamela Bruce
I have two sons. One has children. The other doesn’t want any. Both considered their choices quite carefully. I accepted both. Why would I inject my opinion into the lives of others? People who don’t want children shouldn’t have them.

我有两个儿子。一个已经有孩子，另一个不想要孩子。他们都仔细考虑过自己的选择。我接受了他们的选择。我为什么要把自己的意见强加到别人的生活中呢？不想要孩子的人就不应该生孩子。

Don Daniels
That depends on what the discussion is about. I would not typically comment on their choices to not become a parent anymore than I would comment on their decision to not become a doctor or a lawyer or an accountant or a writer.
Not having children is their decision, and none of my business.
I have 3 adult kids. None of them are married or in any such kind of relationship that might result in children. The youngest will be 43 in December. I’m perfectly fine with that, but even if I weren’t, it’s still none of my business anyway.

这取决于讨论的内容。我通常不会评论他们不做父母的决定，就像我不会评论他们不做医生、律师、会计师或作家的决定一样。
不生孩子是他们的决定，与我无关。
我有三个成年子女。他们都没有结婚，目前也没有任何可能导致孩子出生的关系。最小的到今年12月就43岁了。我完全可以接受，即使我不接受，无论如何，这也是与我无关的事情。


Nathaniel Kisslinger
That I agree.
Whatever interest I may have in having children is completely quashed by the state of our economy. And the idea that Trump thinks a $1000 incentive would even dent that expense? More proof of how disconnected he is from everyday Americans.

我赞同不生。
我对生孩子的任何兴趣，都被我们当前的经济状况彻底压制了。特朗普竟然认为1000美元的奖励就能弥补这笔开支？这进一步证明了他与普通美国人是多么脱节。

Anil Mitra
‘Normally’, I’d say nothing if it was just information. If they were doubting their choice, I’d ask them to elaborate and offer support.
But these are not normal times. The politicians and influencers are promoting children. More than promoting, they are offering threat (criminalizing abortion, with stiff penalties) and enticement (monetary rewards for having children). Though they aren’t explicit about it (as far as I know) they really want white women to have children.
I think the question is referring to these abnormal times. It may be wanting (a) us to offer encouragement for the choice (if the questioner is human) (b) offer discouragement (if the questioner is inhuman).
What do I say to people who don’t want children? “The choice is yours, I support your choice, and I’m willing to listen to what you have to say if you want to do so”.

“通常情况下”，如果只是得知这么一个信息，我什么也不会说。如果他们怀疑自己的选择，我会要求他们详细说明自己的情况，我会提供我的支持。
但现在是非常时期。政客和有影响力的人都在提倡生育。他们不仅提倡，还在威胁（将堕胎定为犯罪，并处以严厉的惩罚）和诱惑（生育孩子有金钱奖励）。虽然他们没有明确表态（据我所知），但他们真的希望白人女性生孩子。
我认为这个问题指的就是这些非常时期。
它可能是希望：
1、我们鼓励他们的选择（如果提问者是人的话）
2、劝阻他们（如果提问者不是人的话）
对于那些不想要孩子的人，我该说什么？“选择权在你手中，我支持你的选择，如果你愿意，我愿意倾听你的意见。”


Not Provided
Try a cat. Cats are better by any measure.

试试养猫吧。无论怎样，养猫都更好。


 
Lucía Alvarez
I'm one of those people, so I just agree. I think parenting is difficult and becoming a parent should be a very well considered decision.
I've always known I'm not psychologically well balanced enough to raise a child (I have depression and PTSD) so I chose to never have one.
Some people think that I'm selfish or that I dislike children. Others may think I'm just crazy and it's for the best.
I guess that everyone who chooses not to have children have a reason, maybe not all of them are comfortable sharing it and they shouldn't have to justify themselves.

我就是选择不生的其中之一，所以我完全同意。我认为养育孩子很困难，成为父母应该是一个非常深思熟虑的决定。
我一直都知道自己心理状态不够平衡，无法抚养孩子（我有抑郁症和创伤后应激障碍），所以我选择不生孩子。
有些人觉得我自私，或者不喜欢孩子。另一些人可能觉得我疯了，所以这样最好。
我想每个选择不生孩子的人都有自己的理由，也许不是所有人都愿意分享，他们也无需为自己辩解。

 
Kaedyn Walsh
I say “good for you! Life is too short and if you want kids, do it. If you don't, don't.”
It's really that simple.

我会说：“真为你高兴！人生苦短，如果你想要孩子，就生吧。如果你不想要，就别生了。”
真的就这么简单。

Joseph Newcomer
We did not want children. We did not have children. People could tell us whatever they want (one woman called me a “race traitor” for not bringing more white children into the world) and it would not have changed our minds. The decision to have or not have children is nobody else’s business, and you are invading personal space by even bringing the subject up. You have nothing of interest to say to them, and there is nothing they want to hear from you. They do not owe anyone children. Not their parents, not society, not their country, not their race. It is a private matter between those people and you have no right to question it.

我们不想要孩子，也没有孩子。
人们想说什么就说什么（一位女士骂我是“种族叛徒”，因为我没有生育更多的白人孩子），但这并不能改变我们的想法。
生不生孩子不关别人的事，你提起这个话题就是侵犯个人界限。
你对他们来说没什么好说的，他们也不想听你说什么。他们不欠任何人孩子。不欠他们的父母，不欠社会，不欠他们的国家，不欠他们的种族。这是他们的私事，你无权质疑。


Colleen McCloskey
It’s just RUDE to say ANYTHING.
I knew someone who couldn’t have children, while her sister was spitting them out every two years. I do not need to know why. None of my business.
She ended up adopting two lovely children from abroad.
They are wonderful, gave me a delightful day at a nursery just picking out plants.
That is a chore for some, they made it a treat for me.
I didn’t need to know her child-bearing trauma.
I am just so happy with the children she had.

说什么都是很无礼的。
我认识一个人，她生不了孩子，而她姐姐每两年就生一个。我不需要知道原因。不关我的事。
她最后从国外领养了两个可爱的孩子。
他们很棒，和我一起在苗圃里挑选植物，就让我度过了愉快的一天。
对某些人来说，这是一件苦差事，但他们却让我享受其中。
我不需要知道她生育的痛苦。
我只是为她拥有了孩子感到高兴。


Robert Kiser
I would say:
If you don’t want children, how can you possibly become a good parent?
So, it’s best for you, best for society, and most of all, best for any potential children, that you follow your heart. Leave childrearing to those who feel a little more interested, enthused, and motivated to be the good parents that children deserve, and society needs.

我想说：
如果你不想要孩子，怎么可能成为一个好父母？
所以，遵从你的内心，这对你、对社会，以及最重要的，对所有未来的孩子来说，都是最好的。
把养育孩子的重任留给那些对孩子更感兴趣、更热情、更有动力成为孩子应得的好父母、社会需要的好父母吧。

Beyonce
That they are smart. There are wildfires, floods, no good jobs, housing is not affordable, Healthcare can bankrupt you in the US, and school shootings once a week. Who can justify bringing children into this hell?

他们很聪明。美国有山火、洪水，没有好工作，住房负担不起，医疗保健会让你破产，每周都会发生一次校园枪击案。谁能说得通把孩子带进这个地狱？

Steve Penland
I understand, I love kids, but I love elephants too. Either is way too much trouble to own, and keep at home. ;-)

我理解，我喜欢孩子，但我也喜欢大象。养孩子和养大象都太麻烦了。