外国网友辩论：为什么去外国寻找恋情的男人遭到太多指责？

MommaLatte
Pink Pill Woman
If you go over to the passport bro sub, they talk about woman like they’re cattle and how to get the best bang for your buck. What women are the hottest and still willing to settle for an ugly foreigner over a local. What women are gonna be good submissive partners that are not too westernized. What countries are “safe” (since they have to go to the shittiest places in the world to even get attention).
And then you look at the passport bros themselves, most are barely middle class by western standards so they’re also looking for “sales” where they won’t have to spend TOO much money because you know, wouldn’t want a gold digger now would we. A big point they make is also not to bring her back overseas because they correctly hypothesize that if she becomes westernized and gets to equal footing as them she’s more likely to leave, because again the desperation of poverty is what makes this entire thing work. They also complain that most girls are “bad” because they expect the man to pay for girls families without realizing that the entire reason this poor girl would give this creep a chance is because she wants to provide for her family. And then the girl is always half the weight, always younger, and always prettier than the creep that went over and bought her.
 
如果你去看看“护照兄弟”的论坛版块，他们把女人当牲畜一样来讨论，谈的是如何花钱最值。哪些女人最性感，而且愿意选择一个丑陋的外国人而不是本地男人。哪些女人会是乖顺的伴侣，不会太西化。哪些国家算是“安全”的（因为他们必须跑到世界上最落后的地方才能引起注意）。
然后再看看这些“护照兄弟”本人，大多数按西方标准来看也只是勉强算中产，所以他们在找“打折”的机会，不用花太多钱，因为你懂的，他们可不想要一个拜金女。他们还特别强调不要把女人带回西方，因为他们很正确地认识到，如果女人变得西化，拥有和他们平等的地位，就更可能会离开，因为这些女人与他们建立关系的基础就是贫困带来的无奈。他们还抱怨大多数女孩是“坏的”，因为这些女孩希望男人能资助她的家庭，却没意识到这个可怜的女孩之所以会给这些猥琐男一个机会，根本原因就是她想养家。然后这些女孩永远都是体重只有男方的一半，永远更年轻，永远比跑去“买”她的猥琐男更漂亮。
 
The entire thing is offputting to me. Passport bros leverage the desperation you won’t understand unless you’ve grown up in true poverty with no upwards social mobility like opportunistic parasites. And then they act moral about it, there was a post on there recently talking about how the guy was lucky because his wife was one of the “grateful” ones since she knows if it wasn’t for him she would still be stuck in her shitty third world country as a dishwasher and instead he gave her a life where she can pursue a degree in chemistry. I am happy this girls gets to study chemistry, what’s disgusting to me is she has to sleep with this ogre to do it just because she was born in the wrong country.
And disclaimer, not mad at people who just fall in love with women in different countries. If you had a normal dating life before and you have legit reasons to go abroad (like work or vacation with your friends) and you and your wife are in the same league then it’ll be fairly easy to realize you’re not a passport bro.
 
整个事情让我觉得很恶心。 “护照兄弟”在利用那种你若不是在真正贫困以及毫无社会流动性的环境中长大就无法理解的绝望，就像机会主义吸血鬼一样。更可笑的是他们还装作有道德感，最近有一个帖子里，一个男人自夸自己很幸运，因为他的妻子是“懂得感恩”的那一类，她知道如果没有他，她还会困在自己烂透的第三世界国家当洗碗工，而他却给了她一个能获得化学学位的生活。我很高兴这个女孩能学化学，但让我恶心的是，她为了做到这一点必须和这个丑陋的怪物上床，只因为她出生在错误的国家。
声明一下，我并不讨厌那些爱上外国女人的人。如果你之前的恋爱经历很正常，而且你出国是因为正当理由（比如工作或者和朋友去度假），你和你的妻子实力相当，那你就不是所谓的“护照兄弟”。
 
NonbinaryYolo
The dudes I know that have done this shit, are retired men that spent their lives busting their ass for families they're now alienated from. They don't go for little 20 somethings, they marry driven women maybe 5 years younger.
You don't have to be living in poverty to want a life with a western man. You think well off women don't like the idea off meeting a guy from another country, developing a connection, and then moving away?
You think locals have no interest in having some fun with a tourist, and then moving on with their lives?
Western girls will get taken on all expense trips paid, and they don't even appreciate it they are so fucking bitter. THAT'S the shit passport bros want to get away from. Western women are the antithesis of romance. Holy fuck.
 
我认识的做过这种事的，都是一些退休的男人，他们为家庭拼了一辈子，结果反而和家人关系疏远了。他们不会去找二十出头的小姑娘，而是娶一些有上进心的女人，可能就小五岁。
外国女人并不都是生活在贫困中才会想和一个西方男人一起生活。你觉得富裕的外国女人就不会喜欢上一个外国男人、发展感情然后同居吗？
你觉得当地女人就没有兴趣和外国游客玩玩，然后继续自己的生活吗？
西方女人可以得到全额支付的旅行，但她们根本不懂得感恩，只会怨气冲天。这就是“护照兄弟”想要逃避的。西方女人就是浪漫的反面。去TM的。
 
proventruetoolate
What do you want men to do when women in West have unreasonable looks and height requirements and the average looking woman doesn't want average looking men?
 
当西方女人有不合理的外貌和身高要求，当一个普通长相的西方女人看不上普通长相的西方男人时，你认为西方男人们应该怎么办？
 
Shebalied
News flash, people don't want most western women. You see just as many old bossy ladies as you do men going overseas to get men. I will never understand why western women talk to Muslim men thinking they can change them.
 
大多数人并不想要西方女人。你会看到很多西方大龄强势女人去国外找男人。但我永远不明白为什么西方女人要和穆斯林男人谈恋爱，还以为能改变他们。
 
meangingersnap
Are you implying western women are interested in Muslim men? lMao
 
你是在暗示西方女人对穆斯林男人有兴趣吗？笑死我了。
 
MommaLatte
I think the men and women passport people are equally creepy.
The only cases I’m okay with are ones with decent SMV so they’re able to pull back home but they’re still able to get better options overseas. If they treat their partners respectfully and they still choose to stay even after getting their citizenship then I can’t really be mad about that.
 
我觉得“护照男”和“护照女”都一样令人感到厌恶。
唯一我能接受的情况是：有些人的“性魅力”还算不错，在本国也能找到对象，但他们出国能有更好的选择。如果他们尊重伴侣，而伴侣即便拿到国籍后仍然选择继续在一起，那我也没什么好指责的。
 
Shebalied
Most people see Western people men and women as loud and obnoxious. You add in current values of zoomers that just makes things worse.
 
大多数人觉得西方男人和女人又吵闹又讨厌。再加上现在年轻一代（Z世代）的价值观，只会让情况更糟。
 
twistednormz
just a regular woman
OP have you been overseas? Have you met any of these guys? I spent several years living in an Asian country and met enough of them to know that they generally have some combination of the following: 1. Unable to hold down a job for long. 2. Poor social skills. 3. Anger issues. 4. Failure to launch syndrome. Basically they are children who refuse to grow up and take responsibility for themselves but they still want the sex, and are angry that women back home won't give it to them. Why are you defending these guys? (And of course there's nothing wrong with living in another country and dating local people but that's not who "passport bros" are).
Twistednormz
 
楼主，你出过国吗？你见过这些“护照兄弟”吗？我在亚洲某国生活了好几年，见过足够多这种人，通常他们都有以下几种情况：
1.无法长期稳定工作。
2.社交技能差。
3.脾气差。
4.巨婴。基本上就是拒绝长大、不想为自己负责的孩子，但还是想要性关系，并且因为本国女人不给他们而愤怒。你为什么要为这些人辩护？（当然，住在外国并和当地人谈恋爱没有任何问题，但那不是“护照兄弟”的定义）。
 
Albedo200
Purple Pill Man
You have never seen some people with those same combination except for poor social skills maybe get sex and even relationship in the west? Heck, i could argue some far worse people in the west are having sex because of their good looks or wealth.
And besides these guys arent having sex with you, they are having sex with other women who might not care or have your criteria as requirements.
Albedo200
 
你没见过有些西方男人，即便具备你列举的种种缺点（除了可能没有社交障碍），也依然能与女性发生性关系甚至谈恋爱。说真的，我甚至能举例一些更糟糕的人，他们在西方照样有人愿意跟他们上床，只因为他们长得好看或有钱。
再说了，这些男人又不是和你发生关系，他们是和那些不在乎你制定的标准的女人谈恋爱。
 
proventruetoolate
I'm defending these men because women with all these faults and then some get laid left and right in the US and Europe?
Why do you hate men and hold them to higher standards than women?
 
我为这些男人辩护，是因为在美国和欧洲，很多女人也有你说的这些缺点甚至更多，但依然可以跟很多人上床。
你为什么仇恨男人，为什么要用更高的标准来要求男人？
 
harmonica2
Purple Pill Man
but why is it that asian woman are so easy that they will give it to these guys compared to western women?
harmonica2
 
所以为什么亚洲女人比西方女人更容易接受这些男人呢？
 
Junior\\\\_Ad\\\\_3086
your SMV goes up a lot if you go to a 3rd world country as a western man. locals are shorter, make a lot less money, you might get bonus points for being exotic and some women look for more egalitarian partners than their local men.
 
作为一个西方男人，如果你去第三世界国家，你的“性魅力”会大幅提升。本地人更矮、收入低得多，你可能因为“异域感”加分，还有些女人想找比本地男人更尊重她们的伴侣。
 
Alwaysnthered
50/25/25 Black/Red/Blue Pill Man
wow who cares? honestly? so what?
let these men do their thing. it's not affecting you.
what's up with the shaming?
dont like how men are going overseas to find women since a lot of women back home are becoming insufferable?
don't like your attention being taken away?
I know you love the attention.
and im literally from one of these countries. yes there are lot of weird men going overseas, but a lot aren't what you describe at all.
Also, I think OP is describing the new wave of passport bros that are more well adusted, looking for family etc but the dating market in the west has become so brutal it's hard to find someone that matches their values, not the old 65 year beer belly in the chang t shirt in phuket thailand predator hopping with 19 year old women.
Alwaysnthered
 
哇，谁在乎啊？说真的，有什么大不了？
让这些男人做自己的事吧，这又没影响到你。
干嘛要羞辱他们？
你是不是不喜欢男人去国外找女人，因为本地很多女人越来越让人受不了？
你是不是不喜欢他们把本该属于你的关注抢走了？
我知道你们喜欢被关注。
我本人来自你口中所谓的落后国家。是的，确实有很多古怪的外国男人来我们国家，但也有很多根本不是你说的那种人。
另外，我觉得楼主想说的是正常的 “护照兄弟”，他们更适应环境，想组建家庭等等。但西方的约会市场已经变得太残酷，很难找到符合他们价值观的人。和那种65岁、大肚腩、穿着啤酒衫在泰国普吉岛到处找19岁女孩的老色狼完全不是一回事。
 
Junior\\\\_Ad\\\\_3086
that doesn't describe all of them though. the ones you mentioned stick out like a sore thumb and will be noticed much more and i'm not going to lie, a lot of men fit that descxtion especially around SEA which attracts a lot of sex tourists anyway (so not really PBBs).
i lived as a digital nomad for the better part of a decade, including places in SEA, EE and LATAM which are the most popular destinations to date abroad for men, generally speaking. i met a lot of travelers, expats, guys who date foreign women of all age groups. some of them would have zero issues dating anywhere in the world tbh, although they mostly don't just travel for women/dating i'd guess.
i've also experienced it myself and i can see why men would choose to look elsewhere when it comes to dating (depending on their preferences of course). if there wasn't a relatively high barrier of entry, i think A LOT more men would explore their options overseas. even guys who are pretty successful with women can see big improvements in their dating lives, depending on what they're looking for. honestly, it's hard to blame men for exploring their options and nowadays i don't think it's just the old fat weirdos who choose to go this path. i think at least some of the hate that comes from women is based on the fact that they don't want more competition and they don't want dating abroad to become more normalized.
look at this guy, he doesn't exactly seem like a loser yet looked in the phillippines for love and ended up relocating there. i think men like this will become more common as the world is still globalizing and the western dating market is at an all time low in many ways.
 
一些人并不能代表所有人。你提到的那些人只是很扎眼，所以更容易被注意到，说实话，确实有不少男人符合那种描述，尤其是在东南亚——那本来就是吸引寻欢者的地方（这些人不算是“护照兄弟”）。
我作为国际游民生活了差不多十年，走过东南亚、东欧、拉美，这些都是男人最常去的跨国约会目的地。我遇到过很多旅行者、外派人员、和不同年龄段外国女性交往的男人。有些人其实在世界任何地方都能轻松约会，虽然我猜他们大多数不只是为了女人或约会才旅行。
我自己也体验过，所以我能理解为什么有些男人会选择到别处寻找恋爱机会（当然取决于他们的偏好）。如果不是因为门槛相对较高，我觉得会有更多男人去海外寻找更好的选择。即使是那些和女人相处已经挺成功的男人，也可能在海外大幅改善他们的约会生活。
说真的，男人去探索自己的选择并不难理解，而如今选择这条路的也不仅仅是那些老胖怪人。我认为有部分女性的反感，是因为她们不想面对更多竞争，也不希望海外约会变得正常化。
看看这个视频博主，这个人看起来完全不像个失败者，但他还是去菲律宾找爱情，最后甚至搬过去了。我觉得以后这种男人会越来越常见，因为世界还在继续全球化，而西方的约会市场在很多方面正处于最糟糕的境地。
 
OddRemove2000
Red Pill Man
I'm a man who all my life have heard women say I'm not good enough for love. I disagree. Even if I need to go overseas to find it.
Nothing wrong with being a loser if you want to be. I'm a proud loser. Lay off.
 
我是那种一辈子都在听女人说我不配得到爱情的男人。但我不同意。就算我必须出国去寻找爱情，也无所谓。
如果你愿意做“失败者”，那又没什么错。我就是个自豪的失败者。别来烦我。
 
Junior\\\\_Ad\\\\_3086
i've dated women from developing countries before some women simply seek more egalitarian relationships and don't want to deal with the machismo prent in LATAM for example. a guy who's short in one place might be average or even tall in another. the ratio of attractive or at least thin women is better in most countries when you're from the US. family values and being a good husband is valued more in certain cultures than in others (where in some cases, it might actually bore certain women). socio-economic status matters for women virtually everywhere in the world but it doesn't mean it's the only reason why they choose to tie their life to a man.
      
我之前和一些发展中国家的女性交往过，我的经验是，有些女性确实追求更平等的关系，比如她们不想忍受拉美普遍存在的大男子主义。
一个在某个地方算矮的男人，可能在另一个地方就是平均身高甚至算高个。
对来自美国的男人来说，在大多数国家遇到有魅力或身材苗条的女性的比例更高。重视家庭和好丈夫形象在某些文化里比在其他文化里更受重视（在另一些地方，“好男人”反而可能让部分女性觉得无聊）。社会经济地位对几乎所有女性来说都重要，但这并不是她们决定终身伴侣的唯一理由。
 
Six-Piccolo （No Pill）
I’m a western man married to a southeast asian immigrant woman and I’m really starting to hate the passport bro movement.
The problem is that we’re using the same word to describe two totally different things.
The first are, like you said, guys who are genuinely looking for love. They reject the culture rot of the west and appreciate and respect the differences in the countries they travel to. They see the women as actual people with families, religious beliefs and communities.
The second are sex tourists who are just bitter that they’re too poor or unattractive to participate in the degeneracy back home, so they go to where they have more “buying power”. They have no respect for the people and the culture. They see the women as material assets to exploit. They’re the male versions of the kinds of western women that they hate.
The latter is completely ruining it for the former.
 
我是一个西方男人，娶了一位东南亚移民女性，我真的越来越讨厌“护照兄弟”这个说法了。
问题在于，我们用同一个词来描述两种完全不同的现象。
第一种，正如你说的，是那些真心寻求爱情的人。他们拒绝西方的文化腐化，欣赏并尊重其他国家的文化差异。他们把女性看作真正的人，有家庭、有宗教信仰、有社群。
第二种是性旅游者，他们只是因为在本国太穷或太丑，没法参与“堕落的享乐”，于是跑到一个自己“购买力”更强的地方。他们对当地人和文化毫无尊重，把女人当作可以剥削的物质资产。他们正是自己所厌恶的那种“西方女人”的男性翻版。
后一类人完全毁了前一类人的名声。
 
k0unitX （Passport Pill Man）
There is a whole spectrum of men, especially young men, between "genuinely looking for love" and "women are material assets to exploit". You are acknowledging the extremes and ignoring the middle.
 
男人的类型其实有很多，特别是年轻人，他们介于“真心寻找爱情”和“把女人当物质资源来剥削”之间。你只承认了两极，却忽视了中间的群体。
 
Grow\\\\_peace\\\\_in\\\\_Bedlam （Married Leftist Purple Pill Man, DeCrowist Feminist）
Yeah, I'm an American man married to a Latin American woman and living in her country. I got with her before the term "passport bro" existed.
I think it's weird how young guys who surely inspire genuine attraction in the local women are lumped in with fat, pasty senior citizens who basically pay 20-year-old Filipinas to marry their wrinkly asses.
 
是的，我是一个美国男人，娶了一位拉丁美洲女性，并住在她的国家。我和她在“护照兄弟”这个词出现之前就在一起了。
我觉得很奇怪，那些显然能真正吸引当地女性的年轻男人，却被和那些肥胖、苍老的老头子归为一类，而那些老头子基本上就是付钱让二十岁的菲律宾女孩嫁给他们满是皱纹的身体。
 
u/attendquoi
Hatred is far more energy than I have for them, but it seems like they don't really own what they're doing: it's sex tourism, pure and simple.
 
我对他们根本没有那么多精力去恨，但看起来他们并没有真正为自己的行为负责：这就是纯粹的性旅游而已。
 
u/Junior\\\\_Ad\\\\_3086
Sex tourism involves directly paying for sex abroad, in a sort of quid pro quo arrangement. Dating in another country is not sex tourism and if you think it is I think you should consult the Oxford dictionary.
What about guys who travel for the purpose of traveling itself and who happen to go on dates/hook up with some local women? Is that sex tourism in your eyes?
 
性旅游是指直接付钱在国外发生性行为，是一种“以物换物”的安排。去别的国家约会并不是性旅游，如果你认为是，你应该查查《牛津词典》。
那如果有人只是为了旅行而去国外，顺便约会/勾搭一些当地女性，这算性旅游吗？
 
u/attendquoi
Pretty much. I think it's weird to go abroad just to find a date.
 
差不多吧。我觉得专门去国外找对象有点奇怪。
 
u/NonbinaryYolo
Do you also think it's weird for someone to go to a bar to meet people?
 
那你是不是觉得有人去酒吧认识人也很奇怪？
 
u/baller696969balls
Being a man who goes overseas is not in itself weird. Nobody thinks it’s weird. However, bringing home a young, foreign woman who speaks barely any of your language and having her adapt to a new culture just reeks of power exertion. This is the only type of “passport bro” that I have encountered, and while it is entirely consensual on the woman’s part for her to move and be a part of the relationship, it just happens to usually end up terrible for her.
 
一个去国外寻找恋情的男人本身并不奇怪，也没人会觉得奇怪。然而，把一个几乎不会说你语言的年轻外国女性带回家，并让她适应新的文化，这简直是权力压迫。我遇到的“护照兄弟”都是这种类型，虽然女性完全同意搬过来参与这段关系，但通常结果对她们来说很糟糕。
 
Some of my closest friends are children of passport bros’ wives, and I’m being 100% serious when I say I do not have any other friends with poorer home lives than theirs. Back in school, at least a few times a month, they would show up crying. The explanation when prompted would always either be that their step-dad yelled at or hit them, or that he yelled at or hit their mother. Even when I message these friends now, I will hear more stories about how their step-dad is pressuring them to pursue something they don’t want to, or that their step-dad had a massive fight with their mother, or that their step-dad contributes nothing but they can’t get their mother to see that.
 
我最亲密的朋友中有些是护照兄弟妻子的孩子，我非常认真地说，我没有其他朋友的家庭生活比他们更糟。在学校时，他们每月至少几次哭着来学校。被问起原因时，他们总是说继父对他们或母亲大喊大叫甚至打他们。即使现在我联系这些朋友，我仍会听到更多故事，比如继父逼他们去做不想做的事，或继父和母亲大吵一架，或者继父什么都不做，但母亲却看不到这一点。
 
I have been inside these houses. They are not hostile environments when a guest is over, obviously. But I see my friend communicating with her mother in her native tongue, and her step-dad not understanding a single word. I see my friend’s mother, completely worn out from her mentally draining workplace, cleaning and cooking while her husband juggles a bachelor he doesn’t need with jobs that never stick. I have heard a man incorrectly pronouncing his step-daughter’s name because he couldn’t be assed to even learn that. I see the most awkward and tense relationships in human existence.
 
我去过他们家。当客人在场时，环境显然并不敌对。但我看到我的朋友用母语和母亲交流，而继父一句话也听不懂。我看到我朋友的妈妈，累得不行，精神上被工作折磨得透支，还得做家务做饭，而她老公呢，整天像个没用的单身汉一样打零工，根本没个正经着落。我甚至听到一个男人连继女的名字都读错，因为他连学都懒得学。我看到了人类关系中最尴尬和紧张的状态。
 
But still! Those passport bros love the music, loved the sights they saw the very few times they visited the country, love the traditional food that their wives make for them! They’re just incapable of incorporating that into their own western lives, which is concerning since they are dragging back real people. Sorry for ragging on, I’m sure there are “passport bros” out there who haven’t done any of this at all, but I hurt hard for my friends who could’ve maintained a stable home life before having to move here. I think it’s reasonable to give anyone that considers themself a “passport bro” hate if the only examples you’ve been provided with are quite awful.
 
但是说真的！这些护照兄弟真心喜欢异国的音乐、风景，就算只去过几次，也很享受；他们爱自己老婆做的传统食物！问题是，他们根本没办法把这些融入自己的西方生活里，这就很让人担心，毕竟他们把真实的人带回来了。抱歉我有点抱怨，但我心里真的难受，我那些本来能过上稳定家庭生活的朋友们，现在却不得不搬到这里。我觉得，如果一个人自称“护照兄弟”，而你看到的例子都特别糟糕，讨厌他也是合理的。
 
u/Latte-Catte
Those country passports bros are going to, are also sick of y'all. Leave them alone. They find the western perverts who prey on their women disgusting, and it's annoying since the best tourist city gets propped up by a bunch of massage shops in guise. Everyone knows what's going on.
 
那些被护照兄弟骚扰的当地人也已经受够你们了。别打扰他们。他们看不惯西方那些在自己国家猎艳的变态，而最热门的旅游城市背后，其实是一堆打着按摩店幌子的地方撑起来的，大家都明白背后的真实情况。
 
u/MarioWilson122
No they aren’t and they dont see it as preying the men are just going there for a good time. If anything they are very welcomed in most countries as they like outsiders. If anything when it comes to preying, the men are the ones who end up getting preyed on. When they accidently fall in love and end up marrying one of these women just so they can get citizenship.
 
不，他们不是，他们也不认为自己在猎取别人，男人只是为了玩得开心而去。他们在大多数国家都很受欢迎，因为当地人喜欢外国人。如果说谁在猎取谁，其实最后被猎取的往往是男人。当他们不小心爱上并娶了当地女人，而这些女人只是为了获取国籍。
 
u/Latte-Catte
They are welcoming to tourists in general, but don't act like they don't know what some of the men are there for. Yes, a tourist city welcomes tourism for their economy. That doesn't mean they approve of your bad characters.
As for the citizenship problem, yes, but why are y'all there preying on women using your passport and moneys in the first place.
 
总体来说他们对游客是友好的，但别装作不知道有些男人来这里的目的。是的，旅游城市欢迎游客来促进经济，但这并不意味着他们认可你们的恶劣行径。
至于入籍问题，是有这种情况，但你们一开始为什么要利用护照和金钱去猎取女性呢？
 
u/MarioWilson122
Its not preying you like calling it that but it isnt true. The women are welcoming to the men for sexual access they arent begging these women they are open to it. Like i said the men could end up losing on the deal getting used so the woman can get citizenship. Everything else is consensual and desired.
 
这并不算猎取，就算你这么说也不是真的。女性对这些男人是开放的，她们不是在乞求，而是自愿的。正如我说的，男人可能会在交易中吃亏，被女性利用以获得国籍，其余一切都是双方同意并希望的。
 
u/Latte-Catte
When you do nothing but pull up and flaunt around your money and passport like you're amazing shit, don't get mad when you get scammed by scammers. That's on you.
You come from a first world country where your passport can take you anywhere around the world, and your money worth 5x the local economy, and you act like you're not preying on the poorer women who actually need those money?? You cannot be for real.
LBH's.
 
当你只会炫耀钱和护照，好像自己了不起时，被骗子骗了就别生气，因为这都怪你自己。
你来自发达国家，你的护照可以带你去世界任何地方，你的钱在当地价值是五倍，你还装作没有利用真正需要钱的穷女人？你不会是认真的吧。
你这个LBH（国内的失败者）
 
u/MarioWilson122
Nope we are there for a good time. Cant help that they dont have money that is not of our doing. Just like if we date women over here in our home country that are poor that is also not our fault. Yes men get scammed but i guess you dont have symphony for them because you believe they are there for nefarious reasons. Wanting a good time with consenting adults is not evil no matter what you try to say its all bs anyways.
 
不，我们是来玩的。他们没钱不是我们的错。就像我们只能在本国约会穷女人也不是我们的错。是的，男人可能会被骗，但我猜你不会同情他们，因为你认为他们来这里有阴险目的。想和成年人愉快相处并不是邪恶的，不管你怎么说，你就是在胡扯。
 
julia-peculiar
I largely view them with distaste. It's a distasteful phenomenon. At the same time, such males are doing 'western women' a favour, by removing themselves from that dating market. The trash taking itself out, if you will. Conversely, the women of the dating markets into which these males insert themselves have my sympathy.
 
我对他们大体上持厌恶态度，这是一个令人不齿的现象。同时，这些男性也在帮“西方女性”的忙，他们离开了约会市场，就像垃圾自行清理一样。相反，与那些男性约会的女性，我则表示同情。
 
mika\\\\_running
Western women didn’t give these guys any attention anyway. And despite the whinging, probably benefit from these guys not being here because then they won’t get hit on by them. And then guys find happiness, so it’s a win win?
 
西方女性本来也没给这些男人任何关注。尽管有人抱怨，但西方女性也会因为这些男人的放弃而受益，因为她们不会被搭讪骚扰。男人们也能在外国找到幸福，这不就是双赢吗？
 
u/Iron-DBZ
Do you want a class-based dating system? Many on this sub have explicitly advocated for this. The poor should date each other or not date at all is a common enough opinion from the women here. 
 
你想要一个基于阶级划分的恋爱体系吗？这个版块里有不少人明确支持这种观点。这里女性成员很普遍的想法是，穷人就应该互相约会，或者干脆别约会。
 
u/MommaLatte
Why does the passport bro sub heavily advocate for not bringing the girls back overseas? Because they correctly hypothesize that if they reach the same socioeconomic status as their partner, they’re more likely to leave. They know the desperation of poverty is what makes this entire relationship work.
 
为什么“护照兄弟”强烈反对把女伴带回国？因为他们很清楚地认识到，如果这些女性在经济地位上和伴侣持平，她们更可能离开。他们明白，贫穷才是维持整个关系的关键动力。
 
N\\\\_Count\\\\_Council      
They're afraid of their women becoming westernized and exactly like the women they're trying to leave
 
他们害怕自己的女人被西化，变得和他们想逃避的西方女性一样
 
u/Shebalied
The current dating market is trashed. Dating in American is one of the worst areas. In the EU and other areas the dating market is not perfect, but better.
Not all western women, but a lot of them are spoiled. Dating overseas like the EU, things are better than America.
 
当前的约会市场很糟。美国是约会最糟的地区之一。在欧盟和其他地区，约会市场虽然不完美，但要好一些。
不是所有西方女性都这样，但很多都被宠坏了。在欧盟国家约会情况比美国好。
 
u/MommaLatte
Wrong, there are trad conservative women in the US who would also avoid passport bros like the plague.
The difference here is that western women can earn decent money for themselves and still live a nice life. The poorer women that passport bros prey on have little to no social mobility so they see passport bro as a way out of their shitty situation. That’s why you won’t bring them back, you know the poverty is what keeps them in line.
There are passport bros who do bring their girl back and they choose to stay even after getting their citizenships, I can’t be mad at that and I applaud them.
 
不对，美国也有传统保守的女性，但会避开护照兄弟如避瘟疫。
不同的是，西方女性可以靠自己赚取不错的收入，还能过上好生活。护照兄弟猎取的穷女人，她们的社会流动性很低，她们把护照兄弟视作脱离糟糕境遇的途径。这就是为什么你不会把她们带回国，贫困正是让她们守规矩的原因。
有些护照兄弟会把女友带回国，她们在拿到国籍后选择继续在一起，我不会生气，并且为她们点赞。
 
u/k0unitX
How is that a counter-argument to his point?
 
你说的这些并没能反驳他的观点啊？
 
Death\\\\_sayer
That’s actually insane. Rich man dates poor woman? “Must an be an exploiter” Classists are so weird.
 
这简直荒谬。因为富有的男人约会穷女人，所以富有的男人就是剥削者？阶级歧视者真奇怪。
 
u/Iron-DBZ
They're usually more of the "Keep the broke men away from me and my riches" type. I don't think they care much what happens to poor women.
 
这种女人通常属于“穷屌丝离我和我的钱远一点”的类型。我觉得她们并不会真正关心穷女人的处境。
 
u/coiled-serpent
Most of them aren't wealthy, they typically date men who make more money than them.
 
她们大多数并不富有，通常约会的都是比她们赚得多的男人。
 
u/coiled-serpent
I don't understand. They're afraid of impoverished women "stealing" their man?
 
我不明白。也许她们害怕贫穷女性“抢走”她们的男人？
 
u/Iron-DBZ
No, these are women with money. They don't want poor men around.
 
不，她们是手里有些钱的女性。她们更厌恶穷男人靠近自己。
 
u/Ill-Cook-6879
People should date whoever they want. That really good looking good natured working class girl is however unlikely to want to date a failure of any sort unless his family is spectacularly rich and she personally has a lot more gold digging tendencies than most of her peers. She's a success as is, in situ in her class, and experiences all the emotional well being effects that come from being a success. She'd have to trade success for failure. That's not a good trade
 
人们应该和自己想约会的人约会。
然而，漂亮、性格好的工人阶级女孩不太愿意和没有魅力的男人约会，除非他的家庭极其富有，并且她个人的拜金倾向远超同龄人。她在自己的阶层中已经是成功人士，享受着成功带来的心理和情绪满足。让她用成功去换一个失败的男人，这不是一个好的交易
 
NoDanaOnlyZuuI
The type of men leaving the dating market and going overseas aren’t the type of men women want to date anyway.
We don’t care about the men. We care about the women they’re exploiting.
 
那些离开约会市场、出国的男人，本来就不是女性想约会的类型。
我们不关心这些男人。我们关心的是那些被他们利用的女性。
 
u/OddRemove2000
They care for if they are unable to date the men they want.
I've met women who rejected me when in their 20s then asked me out in their 30s after having three kids.
Id prefer going overseas.
So yes some do care they lose out on their back up option
 
她们在意的是，如果无法约会到自己想要的男人怎么办。
我见过一些女人，二十多岁时拒绝我，三十多岁生了三个孩子后又约我。
我更愿意去海外。
所以，是的，有些人确实在意自己失去了备用选择。
 
Lift\\\\_and\\\\_Lurk
Genuine passport bros probably don’t care about the hate and wish the shut ins would stop talking about them and bringing attention to what they are out there doing like they were some sort of pawn in their internet “boys against girls” middle school online wars.
 
真正的护照兄弟可能根本不在意那些仇恨言论，只希望宅在国内的人不要总谈论他们，也不要把他们在外面做的事当作国内互联网男女对立的武器。
 
u/NonbinaryYolo
I've seen this. A woman that goes to chili, picks up a man, and then dress him, controls the finances, and dictates the direction of the relationship is viewed as empowered.
Women are pissed off about men doing the same because a lot of their social propaganda relies on men not having other options.
 
我见过这种情况。一位去智利的女性，挑选男人，然后管理他的穿着、掌控财务、主导关系方向，这样的女性被视为有权力的女性。
而当男性做同样的事时，女性会生气，因为很多社会宣传都在说西方男性除了她们没有其他选择。
 
u/TermAggravating8043
Op, your dismissing the fact that most “passport bros” are the creepy predators that go after children in Thailand. They are the majority but of course they pretend they go overseas for love
Your also trying to comparing British women paying fir adult men as the same as sexual slavery or children. Which is telling
Why do you need to go to a country where women have less rights to “up your dating pool”
 
楼主，你忽略了一个事实：大多数“护照兄弟”是去泰国追求儿童色情的性掠夺者。他们是多数，但他们假装是为了爱情出国的。
你还试图把英国女性付钱给成年男性与性剥削未成年人相提并论。这说明了很多问题。
为什么你需要去一个女性权利更少的国家来“扩大你的约会选择”？
 
u/k0unitX
Being a PPB is more than just dating
Here's my offer: I will move you to a country with a completely different culture than yours, you don't speak the language, you don't know any of the local food, you have no friends or family there or any type of support system, and generally have no idea how to navigate the country on your own. But you get the woman of your choice. Interested? No?
 
成为护照兄弟不只是约会而已
这是我的看法：如果你搬到一个文化完全不同的国家，你不懂当地语言，不认识任何当地食物，没有朋友或家人，也没有任何支持系统，不知道如何独自在这个国家生活。你能找到对你感兴趣的女性吗？不，你不能
 
Fact of the matter is - being a PPB is more than just dating/women - if you have no genuine desire to learn a new culture, language, and assimilate, you won't survive 2 months in your "destination" country. Seen it time and time again.
 
事实是，成为护照兄弟不只是约会/女性，如果你没有真正想学习新文化、新语言和融入新环境，你在异国他乡连两个月都呆不住。这种案例我亲眼见过一次又一次。

Fact of the matter is, the average PPB is way more socially well-adjusted than the average sperg who's never left the country for more than a week and posts on r/PPD.
I am specifically talking about western men who find genuine love overseas. I am specifically excluding predators who go to seedy underground child brothels in Thailand.
You're just as ill-informed as the women who comment on this subject, no offense.  I've met many many PPBs and not once, even in a drunken stupor, have even slightly indicated that they were intentionally looking for underage girls.
 
事实是，护照兄弟在社交上，比那些从未出国一周以上、只在网上发帖的宅男更适应社会。
我特别指的是那些在海外找到真爱的西方男性。我明确排除去泰国地下儿童妓院的性掠夺者。
楼上那位，你和那些在这个话题上发表评论的女性一样，脑袋空空，无意冒犯。
我见过很多护照兄弟，甚至醉酒时他们也从未暗示过他们有意寻找未成年女孩。
 
What actually happens is a lot of 16/17 year old girls lie about their age, coupled with the fact that many Asian women age extremely gracefully (genuinely thinking a 29yo looks 19 is not impossible in Asia), foreign men genuinely fall into the trap that the girl who they thought was 20 was actually 17. If you don't believe me, good for you, spend 10 years in Southeast Asia and see if you still hold the same opinion.

实际上，很多16/17岁的女孩会谎报年龄，再加上许多亚洲女性衰老得非常慢（29岁看起来像19岁在亚洲并非不可能），外国男性真的会掉入误区，以为女孩20岁，其实17岁。如果你不信，去东南亚待10年，再看看你是否还持同样观点。
 
Anyway, the men who come for 1-2 weeks for companionship are sex tourists, not PPBs.
Critics often cite the power imbalance and economic disparity between the man and woman as the main point of contention.
My personal "gotcha" card is that I match with Chinese women who are just as successful as me, if not more, on the regular. If anything, they have the power imbalance. Won't stop white women from slapping the sexpat label on me or any white dude living in Asia, though. LMao
 
无论如何，那些只来1-2周寻求陪伴的男性是性旅游者，不是护照兄弟。
批评者常把男性与女性之间的权力不平衡和经济差距作为争论的主要焦点。
我个人亲身经历的反例是，我经常与和我一样成功、甚至更成功的中国女性匹配。如果有不平衡，也是她们拥有更多权力。不过，这并不会阻止白人女性给我或其他在亚洲生活的白人男性贴上“性旅游者”的标签，哈哈。
 
u/wtknight
I don’t think women care that these men are leaving the dating market. However, it’s mostly just a way for women to shit on what they consider undesirable men. Most western women really don’t care much about the experiences of foreign women from poor countries
 
女性所谓的，并不在意这些男性离开约会市场，大多只是用来贬低她们瞧不上眼，认为不理想的男性。大多数西方女性并不关心来自贫穷国家的外国女性的经历。
 
SteveSan82
You’re not finding love. You’re just being used for cash. beta bucks. I live in Asia and they all cheat and have huge notch counts.
 
那些想当“护照兄弟”的人醒醒，你不会找到爱情。你只会被当作取款机。我住在亚洲，她们几乎都会出轨，而且性伴侣数量很多。
 
Grow\\\\_peace\\\\_in\\\\_Bedlam
Lately, I've been thinking that there are two very distinct groups that get conflated as passport bros: 1) 60+ retirees who act as sugardaddies to 20-something Filipinas; and 2) young guys in their 20s and 30s who want to have a good time with foreign women their age and are open to it developing into something more.
When bluepill women say that passport bros are just discount betabuxxers, I think they're thinking of the first group.
 
最近我在想，“护照兄弟”其实混淆了两个非常不同的群体：
1）60岁以上的退休者，当20多岁的菲律宾女性的糖爹；
2）20、30岁的年轻人，只想和同龄的外国女性玩得开心，并愿意发展成更深的关系。
当女性说护照兄弟只是廉价提款机时，我认为她们指的是第一类人。
 
badgersonice
Why is it that they so often whitewash all foreign women from wildly different cultures into a homogeneous blob of “traditional”?
How can they say women from totally different corners of the globe are all exactly what they want, but somehow all the women they know and grew up with (and largely also share common cultural values with!) are uniquely rotten garbage?
Even the very notion of striking it out individualistically on your own to find your own personal mate is extremely western!
How do passport bros think their own extremely western values are compatible with these women?
 
为什么他们经常把来自截然不同文化的所有外国女性，都美化成一个有“传统美德”的同质群体？
他们怎么能相信来自世界各地的外国女性都是他们想要的伴侣，而他们认识和一同成长的女性（大部分有共同文化价值观！）却都是独特的烂货？
即便是独立去海外寻找个人伴侣的这种思想，也非常西方化！
护照兄弟凭什么认为他们极度西化的价值观能与这些女性兼容？
 
u/ASnowfallOfCherry
Love is where you find it.
That said, passport bros get a lot of hate for three reasons.
First, men regularly trash western women but then go to play the same games. They bitch that women are too transactional and whine about beta buxxing but then run to poor countries to use a very favorable exchange rate to become “rich” and play the same games.
Second, they trash western women as fat and ugly when western men are the same.
Third, some do engage in sex tourism.
Of course #not all. To add, many times the western men is more egalitarian and thus more attractive than the native population.
 
爱情在哪里都可以找到。
不过，护照兄弟受到仇恨有三个原因：
第一，这类男性经常贬低西方女性，却去做同样的事。他们抱怨女性太功利，哀叹自己被当提款机，然后跑去贫穷国家利用汇率变“富”，继续当提款机。
第二，自己又胖又丑，却说西方女性又胖又丑。
第三，有些人确实参与性旅游。当然，并非全部。
此外，很多时候这些西方男性更平等主义，因此比当地男性更有吸引力。
 
non-decision
The feminist literature on the subject finds that the women dating these men are actively seeking them, are happy with them, and are not seeking to exploit them. Even fighting against the notion that these women are poor exploited and uneducated.
There's a huge market of highly educated women in countries like China or Russia seeking to date western men.
 
女性主义研究发现，和这些男性约会的外国女性是主动寻找他们的，对他们感到满意，也不试图剥削他们。甚至反驳了这些女性是贫穷、受剥削、未受教育的说法。
像中国或俄罗斯这样的国家，有大量高学历女性想与西方男性约会。
 
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I agree, most "passport bros" just quietly check out of the western dating game and find love elsewhere; the stereotype of a guy looking for prostitutes in Thailand is rare
 
我同意，大多数“护照兄弟”只是默默退出西方约会市场，在别处寻找爱情；找泰国妓女的刻板印象在现实很少见。
 
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Some people will go anywhere in the world in order to better the social and/or economic prospects. If you can't find what you are looking for locally at home, you might try going abroad for it. People have been doing this for a very long time.
 
人们会前往世界任何地方以改善自己的社会地位或经济前景。如果你在本地找不到想要的东西，可以尝试去国外寻找。而且人们从古到今也一直是这样做的。