美知乎讨论：为什么很多人认为越南不属于东亚文化圈？（2020年至今的讨论）

Max Ngố Follow
Because Vietnam is indeed a Southeast Asian country on the mainland of SEA. On the surface, Vietnamese culture is more similar to “some” South Chinese/ culture than mainland SEA countries, of course!. In fact, Korea and Japan in East Asia have their own distinct cultures if you look beyond the surface, by removing Chinese influences, such as ancient temple styles , etc. (as sinosphere term right ? In fact it is not wrong when you include Thai, Singapore… in this sphere as well, if you want since they also have many influences from Chinese due to migrations recently).

因为越南确实是一个位于东南亚大陆的东南亚国家。表面上看，越南文化当然比东南亚大陆国家更接近"某些"华南文化！事实上，东亚的韩国和日本如果抛开表层（比如去除中国影响后的古寺庙风格等）也有自己独特的文化（用汉字文化圈这个术语对吧？其实如果把泰国、新加坡...也纳入这个文化圈也不算错，毕竟近代移民潮让这些地区也深受中国文化影响）。

However, if you start to look deeper into the way they build their houses and streets, their manners, Vietnamese cuisine, mindset, the weather, and the majority of people look, language, where it reflects core elements of Vietnamese culture through lifestyle you will definitely see that Vietnam is closer to many countries in mainland Southeast Asia. As culture is composed of many different elements!
a photo of capital city in Cambodia, if I don’t say you might think this is Hanoi.

然而，若深入观察他们的房屋街道建造方式、行为礼仪、越南菜系、思维方式、气候特征、大多数人的外貌特征以及语言体系——这些通过生活方式折射越南文化核心元素的方方面面，你定会发现越南与许多东南亚大陆国家更为接近。毕竟文化是由众多不同元素构成的！
一张柬埔寨首都的照片，若我不说明，你可能会以为这是河内。


Even though Taiwan is located far south of China and not far from Vietnam, you can feel a completely different atmosphere compared to Vietnam, such as in the way the cities are planned and designed, the appearance of the people (again, majority ), etc
Why do Vietnamese people today look exactly like Chinese people? Did China successfully "conquer" Vietnam today?
You cannot find a street style like this in Vietnam or other Southeast Asian countries, but you can easily see it in many East Asian countries, including Japan and Korea & North Korea

尽管台湾（地区）位于中国南方远离越南的位置，但你能感受到与越南截然不同的氛围，比如城市规划设计风格、民众外貌特征（再次强调是大多数情况）等方面。
为什么现在的越南人看起来和中国人一模一样？中国如今是否成功"征服"了越南？（链接）
你在越南或其他东南亚国家找不到这样的街道风格，但在包括日本、韩国和朝鲜在内的许多东亚国家却随处可见。
Typical Japan 典型的日本



Below is Taiwan: 以下是台湾（地区）：



and this is Seoul 这是首尔


Now I bet you can find me a photo in Vietnam of their buildings/streets that give the same/similar vibe as the ones I have shown above from some East Asian countries
I don't understand why some Vietnamese are trying to claim that Vietnam is an East Asian country, this must be due to their inferiority complex.
Look at this desperate guy.

现在我打赌你也能在越南找到一张建筑/街道照片，能呈现出与上述东亚国家相同或相似的氛围。
有些越南人硬要把越南说成东亚国家，我实在无法理解，这一定是他们的自卑心理在作祟。
看看这个可悲的家伙。



图片内容翻译-“更麻烦的是，整整一代越南人被灌输着认为自己属于东南亚——这完全是个虚构的身份。我不得不反复纠正人们的错误认知：除GDP这个东亚书呆子们痴迷的指标外，从所有实质性标准来看，越南人都属于东亚群体。”

Again, as I mentioned somewhere else, there's nothing wrong with the term 'Southeast Asia.' It's just that some people/ or countries in Southeast Asia make themselves look desperate, poor, and cheap! Southeast Asian countries can become developed nations too in their own unique way, based on their cultures and locations, for example Singapore.

正如我在其他地方提到过的，"东南亚"这个称谓本身没有任何问题。只是某些东南亚的人/或国家把自己搞得一副可怜巴巴、贫穷廉价的样子！东南亚国家完全可以基于自身的文化和地理位置，走出一条独特的发展道路，比如新加坡就是很好的例子。

Jinseok Hwang
Wtf this wright here? I am korean vietnam is south east country yes correct as vietnamese culture east asian culture correct of course mix of south culture / if i have soju mix water what is this?

这到底是什么鬼？我是韩国人，越南确实是东南亚国家没错，越南文化属于东亚文化当然也对，但混有南方文化--就像我把烧酒兑水喝这算什么？

AnhAnh
This is simply developing countries (most look the same) vs a developed country. Yes, they would look different.
Ancient Ha Noi was modeled after Chinese cities, where each city doubled as fortress and population cetre. That’s why we built layers of brick walls that cover even residential areas. The Nguyen lords demolished them because they had inferiority complex. Old people in Ha Noi still say the Nguyen was never considered anything but an usurper and traitor. To them, the Le was the last legitimate royal dynasty of Viet Nam.

这不过是发展中国家（大多数看起来都差不多）与发达国家之间的对比。没错，它们确实会显得不同。
古河内的城市规划仿效中国城池，每座城市兼具军事要塞与人口中心功能。正因如此我们建造了层层砖墙，甚至将居民区也囊括其中。阮氏国王因自卑情结拆毁了这些城墙，河内老一辈至今仍视阮氏为篡位者和叛徒，在他们心中后黎朝才是越南最后一个正统王朝。

Modern Ha Noi was modeled after a typical European city with a lake or a place as the center point and expand from there. Modern Ha Noi started near the Red River bank, piece of land the Nguyen dysnasty ceded to the French after some bs treaty. They built a mini French quarter there before expand into historically the old trade centre of Ha Noi.
If there’s any doubt just look at a map of Ha Noi centeal, no need to guess.
The parts we added after the French were largely a chaotic mess. Nothing special about them.

现代河内则效仿典型的欧洲城市布局，以湖泊或广场为中心向外辐射发展。现代河内始于红河岸边的地块，那是阮朝通过不平等条约割让给法国的区域。法国人先在此建造迷你版法式街区，随后逐步扩张至历史上河内的古老商贸中心区。
若有疑虑，只需查看河内市中心地图便一目了然。
法国殖民时期后扩建的区域大多杂乱无章，并无特别之处。

Max Ngố· Aug 15
flowerpeckers and sparrows don’t build the same nests.
It doesn’t make sense to me when some Vietnamese people say they are located in Southeast Asia but with East Asian culture. What does EA culture even mean in this context? The Japanese typically just refer to themselves as Japanese culture, and Koreans as Korean culture, this is same for Mongolian. only the Chinese use the term 'Sinosphere' to describe their cultural sphere to show off their influences…

花蜜鸟与麻雀筑的巢并不相同。
有些越南人声称自己身处东南亚却拥有东亚文化，这让我难以理解。在这种语境下，"东亚文化"究竟指什么？日本人通常只说日本文化，韩国人称韩国文化，蒙古人也是如此。只有中国人才会用"汉文化圈"这种术语来标榜自己的文化影响力……

Anh Lam
While I agree with you, Vietnam is a proud Southeast Asian country, I disagree that there are no developed good looking parts in Vietnam.
By the way, East Asian just means countries that adopted Chinese influenced cultures. If Japan and Korea were not influenced by China, no one would group them together.
For the same reason, Mongolia is never counted as part of this group.
Thailand and Malaysia have Chinese migration but the natives don’t practice Chinese culture and are completely different to Chinese descended settlers.
Vietnamese in Vietnam identify as Vietnamese, not East Asian, not Southeast Asian. And to them, Korea is the same as Thailand in terms of foreign countries.

我同意越南是一个自豪的东南亚国家，但我不认为越南没有发达且风景优美的地区。
顺便说一句，东亚仅指那些受中华文化影响的国家。如果日本和韩国未曾受中国影响，没人会把它们归为一类。
同理，蒙古也从未被视作这一文化圈的一部分。
泰国和马来西亚虽有华人移民，但当地原住民并不践行中华文化，与华裔移民群体截然不同。
越南人自认是越南人，既非东亚人也非东南亚人。在他们眼中，韩国和泰国一样都是外国。

Max Ngố
I modified my original answer to be clear as: Culture is composed of many different elements!
Yes, Vietnam is closer to East Asian countries if you use EU or South Asian countries as a reference, but if you start to include other countries in the SEA region, the answer will be not really.
I did not say there are no developed good looking parts in Vietnam, but it does not give you the same vibe as you are living in EA countries that I said at all. The lifestyle, environment differences between countries ( SEA vs EA) must contribute too…
The street views above from EA countries are just typical areas in their cities, not wealthy neighborhoods.

我将原回答修改得更明确：文化是由许多不同元素构成的！
是的，如果以欧盟或南亚国家为参照，越南确实更接近东亚国家，但若将东南亚其他国家纳入比较，答案就不尽然了。
我并非说越南没有发达美观的区域，但这些地方完全无法带给你我所说的那种东亚国家的生活氛围。生活方式、环境差异（东南亚 vs 东亚）必然也是影响因素...
上文展示的东亚国家街景只是其城市的普通区域，并非富裕街区。

Mongolia is definitely a EA country or even North East Asia( it does not matter if they share same culture with Chinese or not). I am talking about EA countries in general, I even mentioned about the weather factors & the majority of people look … . Not just “that” culture being influenced from outside, and only, on the surface of Vietnamese culture is similar to (some) Chinese …
Most Vietnamese people have similar eye shapes to those from other SEA countries, including places like Indonesia and Malaysia, so ?
Else, should I add about different types of plants between SEA vs EA too ? And most plants in Vietnam are similar to the native plants in many SEA countries from Malaysia to Myanmar.
In terms of geography, Guangdong/xi or Yunnan could be considered part of Southeast Asia if they had not been incorporated into Chinese dynasties in the past.

蒙古毫无疑问属于东亚甚至东北亚国家（无论其文化是否与中国相同）。我讨论的是广义的东亚国家，甚至提及了气候因素和大多数人的外貌特征...而不仅仅是越南文化表层受外来影响后与（部分）中国文化的相似性。
大多数越南人的眼型与其他东南亚国家的人相似，包括印度尼西亚和马来西亚等地，所以呢？
另外，我是否还应该补充东南亚与东亚在植物种类上的差异？越南的大部分本土植物与从马来西亚到缅甸等许多东南亚国家的原生植物都很相似。
从地理角度来看，如果广东/广西或云南过去没有被纳入中国王朝版图，它们本可以被视为东南亚的一部分。

QMLH
A lot of Cambodian posted as Vietnamese, so take a chill pill and relax

很多柬埔寨人冒充越南人发帖，所以别太较真放轻松。

Kryrne
I saw many Vietnamese who are wannabe East-Asian, so it's really confusing for me (no hate)

我见过很多越南人一心想当东亚人，这真让我困惑（无恶意）。

Max Ngố
Because most of them don't know much about other SEA countries, they know more about developed EA countries instead

因为他们对东南亚其他国家了解不多，反而更熟悉东亚的发达国家...
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It may be because China once ruled Vietnam for a thousand years, but Vietnam was colonized by France in modern times, and modern Vietnamese is also related to French. In addition, northern Vietnam has blood ties with ethnic minorities in China, Guangdong and Guangxi, but southern Vietnam is completely the same race as Cambodia.
So I think Vietnam is a Southeast Asian country in terms of regionality, but culturally belongs to East Asia, a fusion of Southeast Asia and Western civilization. It cannot be simply classified as Cambodia and other countries.

这可能是因为中国曾统治越南长达千年，但近代越南被法国殖民，现代越南语也与法语存在关联。此外，越南北部与中国两广地区的少数民族有血缘关系，而越南南部则与柬埔寨完全同属一个种族。
因此我认为，从地域角度看越南属于东南亚国家，但在文化上却属于东亚文明圈，是东南亚与西方文明的融合体。不能简单地将其与柬埔寨等国家归为一类。

Hieu Luu Follow
I blame it on the weak effort of the Vietnamese cultural ministry.
While Korea and Japan are actively promoting their ancient traditional culture, the clueless and amateur Vietnamese cultural ministry is actively promoting Westernised elements of Vietnamese culture over our traditional native ones.
For example: coffee, baguettes, opera house, churches, post office and even westernised designs of ao dai. To the point where many foreigners just consider all East Asian aspects of Vietnamese culture to be Chinese, something which rarely happens for Japan and Korea.

我认为这要归咎于越南文化部的软弱作为。
当韩国和日本积极推广其古老传统文化时，越南文化部那些毫无头绪的外行却在大力推崇越南文化中的西化元素，而非我们本土的传统元素。
例如：咖啡、法棍面包、歌剧院、教堂、邮局，甚至奥黛的西化设计。以至于许多外国人直接将越南文化中所有东亚元素都视为中国文化的延伸，这种情况在日本和韩国文化中几乎不会发生。

While our traditional culture is just as interesting and rich as China, Japan and Korea, they have been pushed aside for too long. The culture ministry thinks if they give foreigners what they would like to see (aka westernised elements) then they can keep their interest. But this low pride and insecure behaviour is what gives Vietnam such a weak cultural pull.
Look at how the Koreans promote their traditional clothes and aesthetics through cinema. On the other hand the Vietnamese culture ministry is bastardising our culture just so it doesn’t look too “Chinese”, in other words they are insecure and afraid of showing off our real culture. They purposely choose designs that stray too far from traditional East Asians aesthetics

尽管我们的传统文化与中国、日本和韩国一样精彩丰富，但它们被忽视太久了。文化部门认为只要给外国人看他们想看的（即西化元素）就能维持他们的兴趣。但这种缺乏自豪感的不自信行为，恰恰导致越南文化吸引力薄弱。
看看韩国如何通过电影推广他们的传统服饰和美学。反观越南文化部门，为了不让我们的文化显得太"中国化"，正在扭曲本土文化——本质上就是不自信，不敢展示真正的文化底蕴。他们刻意选择那些偏离东亚传统美学太远的设计。


No point in history did our people ever dress like this.
Why is Vietnam too scared of making a movie with something like this:

我们的祖先在任何历史时期都未曾如此穿着。
为什么越南不敢拍一部展现这样元素的电影：


We have our own tea culture, but the ministry is not promoting that. They are instead promoting coffee as a culture of Vietnam. To be fair, having new cultural creation is not bad but it’s important to raise awareness for traditional culture (for example Taiwan with it’s bubble tea, but Taiwan also promotes its traditional Chinese tea as well).
The ministry is not promoting important Vietnamese landmarks like the various temples in Ninh Bình, the Perfume Pagoda etc, instead they keep using French colonial landmark as landmark buildings of Vietnam. For example, why the symbol of Saigon is a church but not the Vinh Nghiem temple or Thien Hau temple?

我们有自己的茶文化，但相关部门并未加以推广，反而将咖啡塑造成越南的文化象征。平心而论，创新文化本无不可，但提升传统文化认知同样重要（例如台湾（地区）推广珍珠奶茶的同时，也积极弘扬中国传统茶道）。
官方机构并未着力推广宁平诸多寺庙、香寺等重要越南文化地标，反而持续将法属殖民建筑作为越南标志性建筑。试问为何西贡的象征是教堂，而非永严寺或天后宫？

The government also completely neglects promoting our traditional rice wine, whereas China, Japan, Korea all actively promote their Baijiu, soju, sake etc. Vietnam is now a beer country instead. Don’t you think this is sad? Vietnamese rice wine has not reached the prestige standard of other East Asian wine despite using the same method and deriving from the same origin.
The Vietnamese cultural ministry needs to do a much better effort in promoting and raising awareness for traditional Vietnamese culture, otherwise you can’t expect others to know who you are if you don’t even know yourself.

政府还完全忽视了传统米酒的推广，而中日韩都在积极推广白酒、烧酒、清酒等饮品。如今的越南却成了啤酒国度。这难道不令人扼腕吗？越南米酒虽与东亚其他酒品同源同法，却始终未能获得相应的文化地位。
越南文化部门需要更加努力地推广和提升人们对越南传统文化的认知，否则如果连自己都不了解自己，就别指望别人能知道你是谁。

Danel Fentone
please keep writing about vietnam. we are very open to learn about your country’s culture

请继续介绍越南。我们非常乐于了解贵国的文化。

Carl Jacobson
It’s probably due to the historical and, especially, current hostility and economic competition with China.
So the Vietnamese government is resisting being considered part of the ‘Sinosphere’ and is promoting their non-Chinese cultural influences.

这可能是由于历史上，尤其是当前与中国之间的敌对关系和经济竞争所致，
因此越南政府抵制被视为"中华文化圈"的一部分，并积极推广其非中国的文化影响。

Cheong Tee
It’s mainly cultural, that Vietnam wants its own identity, avoid being seen as some offshoot of China. Current geopolitical competition over south China sea adds to the ambivalence.

主要是文化认同问题，越南希望保持自身独特性，避免被视为中国的分支。当前南海地缘政治竞争加剧了这种矛盾心理。

Broth
Tbh I think same can be said for other countries. When I was kid, born in Canada, I’ve seen movies/vietnamese media all wearing traditional vietnamese outfit. I think the difference between vietnam from japan and korea is in the power of media.
Vietnam has been ravaged by war before and it stunt it’s economic growth + the economic sanction imposed by the US after the vietnam war. The other sinospheric countries had more time to grow + the fact US helped them economically as opposed to the bitter feeling of losing the vietnam war. Due to lack of economical growth compared to others, Vietnam didn’t develop it’s soft power. I do think korea’s media is very americanized is americanized. But just like traditional movies, both showcase lot of traditional clothes.
I feel like China too didn’t invest a lot in soft power

说实话，我觉得其他国家也存在类似情况。我小时候在加拿大出生，看过的越南电影/媒体里人们都穿着传统越南服饰。我认为越南与日本韩国的差异在于媒体影响力。
越南曾饱受战争摧残，这阻碍了其经济增长，加上越战后美国实施的经济制裁。其他汉字文化圈国家拥有更长时间发展经济，且美国在战后给予它们经济援助——这与美国在越南战败后的抵触情绪形成鲜明对比。由于经济发展相对滞后，越南未能培育出强大的文化软实力。我确实认为韩国媒体高度美国化，但就像传统电影一样，两国都大量展示传统服饰。
我感觉中国在文化软实力方面的投入也相对不足

Simon Au
I hope the world gets to see more of traditional Vietnamese culture but to be fair, Vietnamese coffee is pretty amazing. Outside of Vietnamese coffee, I usually don’t drink the stuff.

我希望世界能更多地了解越南传统文化，但公平地说，越南咖啡确实非常棒。除了越南咖啡，我平时基本不喝其他咖啡。

Ming（明） Zhang（張）
I think traditional culture is more suitable for common people’s life. The reasons is why:
The clothes: people use hundreds of years in history to make the clothes suit for their life. That is why Ao Dai or traditional Hanfu (汉服) is more beautiful on East Asia girls than other countries, Most west girl seems weird when wear traditional East Asia clothes because they body is too wide or too long. Of course, in my opinion, Vietnam belong to EA.

我认为传统文化更贴近普通民众的生活。原因在于：
服饰：人们用数百年的历史让服装适应生活。这就是为什么奥黛或汉服穿在东亚女孩身上比其他国家的女孩更美，大多数西方女孩穿传统东亚服饰显得怪异，因为她们体型过于宽大或高挑。当然，在我看来，越南属于东亚文化圈。

Music: Traditional music can touch our heart more easily than hiphop or Rock or Jazz, why? Because people spend thousands of years playing traditional music to sext and modify the rhythms to better touch our heart and made it popular. Jazz and Hiphop originate from Africa because the Africans are simple and easy-going style. They just repeat one simple rhythm and that can make them happy. Sinosphere countries are more sensible and that is why the music is more complex and romantic.

音乐：传统音乐比嘻哈、摇滚或爵士乐更容易触动我们的心弦，为什么？因为人们花费数千年时间演奏传统音乐，筛选修饰韵律以更好地触动心灵并使其广为流传。爵士与嘻哈源自非洲，因为非洲人性格淳朴随性。他们只需重复简单节奏就能获得快乐。而汉字文化圈国家更为感性，因此音乐也更复杂浪漫。

Philosophy: EA countries prefer order and unity. That is why Confucian is sexted as the main religion or philosophy. Also, we love nature and want to live naturally. That is why Taoism is popular.
Although I am a Chinese, but I still think most of people from East Asia share some common things together and should treasure our traditions carefully. Because that is what we sexted during thousands of years history.

哲学：东亚国家崇尚秩序与统一。这就是儒家思想被选为主要宗教哲学的原因。同时我们热爱自然，追求天人合一的生活境界，因此道家思想也广为盛行。
虽然我是中国人，但我仍认为东亚各国人民有许多共通之处，我们都应当珍视自己的传统。因为这些都是历经数千年历史沉淀的精华。

Charles Lin
If you don’t mind to be direct, Colonialism was the reason for what has happened inside the ministry of culture in Vietnam today, eg. in ignoring its real East Asian culture heritage as described by you. Whereas China, Korea and Japan were never colonized by a western power, to maintain their own East Asian traditions were easier.

直白地说，殖民主义是造成当今越南文化部现状的根源，例如忽视了你所描述的真实东亚文化遗产。而中国、韩国和日本从未被西方列强殖民过，要维护自身的东亚传统就相对容易。

French colonists had done a good job to reshape and reorganize Vietnam’s social structures, in which western culture and religions were given priority over whatever were Chinese-based. When China gave up the protectorate of Vietnam in 1885, after the wars with French, China and Chinese-based cultures were suffering with confidence crisis in the eyes of many. It had proved that introductions of both French language and Catholicism into schools were very effective to make colonialism stick in Vietnam for years to come. Many generations of French-educated Vietnamese elites had been sitting at high positions to carry orders to help themselves and their political bosses.

法国殖民者成功重塑并重组了越南的社会结构，使西方文化和宗教优先于一切中国渊源的事物。1885 年中法战争后，中国放弃对越南的宗主权时，在许多人眼中，中国及中国文化正深陷信心危机。事实证明，将法语和天主教引入学校的举措极为有效，为殖民主义在越南长期扎根奠定了基础。数代接受法式教育的越南精英阶层身居高位，执行命令以谋取私利并效忠其政治主子。

M Wasif Khan
Colonialism can't be the only reason. Look at the countries in South Asia: India, Sri-Lanka, Bangladesh etc. When we promote or advertise our culture, whether be it food (e.g. biriyani, dosa) , practices (e.g. yoga) or clothes (e.g. Sari, or Kurta) it's rooted in pre-colonial traditions. We all were ruled by Europeans for around two centuries.

殖民主义不可能是唯一原因。看看南亚国家：印度、斯里兰卡、孟加拉等国。当我们推广或宣传自身文化时，无论是食物（如印度香饭、印度煎饼）、习俗（如瑜伽）还是服饰（如纱丽、库尔塔），这些文化元素都植根于前殖民时代的传统。我们都被欧洲人统治了约两个世纪。

Brian Norwynn
It is. Different power has different way to colonize. UK based colonies is considered has second rate or lesser, therefore the UK never wanted to integrate them and later let them self rule. France wanted to assimilate the civilization.

确实如此。不同强权采取不同的殖民方式：英国将殖民地视为次等或更低等级，因此从未试图同化它们，最终允许其自治；而法国则致力于文明同化政策。

112233
No. It’s not just colonialism. It’s also American & European influence/imperialism however you look at it. It seems to me that many white people don’t appreciate Vietnam’s efforts and would like to see Vietnam as a war-torn country - just like how some people actually enjoyed seeing Vietnam at war rather then at peace - they like to see devastation like watching a wrestling match or a video game to their poorly unempathetic brains. Japan, Korea and China are to be privileged ones whilst Vietnam is the European occupied one. That is the current status quo - even if Japan, Korea and China actually see Vietnam as their fellow brothers and sisters, Vietnam has an issue combating the viewpoints of the Tây.

不，这不仅仅是殖民主义的问题。无论怎么看，美国和欧洲的影响/帝国主义也难辞其咎。在我看来，许多白人并不欣赏越南的努力，更愿意将越南视为一个饱受战争摧残的国家——就像有些人实际上更喜欢看到越南处于战争状态而非和平时期一样——他们喜欢看到破坏场景，就像用他们那缺乏同理心的大脑观看摔跤比赛或电子游戏。日本、韩国和中国被视为享有特权的国家，而越南则是被欧洲占据的那一个。这就是现状——即使日本、韩国和中国实际上将越南视为他们的兄弟姐妹，越南在对抗西方观点时仍面临困境。

Cheong Tee
Disagreed. Western influences have been equally prominent in Korea, Japan, Vietnam, and also China. My thinking is similar to OP, that for South Korea and Japan, partly because of having achieved economic developed status, they have more self confidence in displaying their own characteristics. Vietnam seems to be lacking that self confidence, plus current sea territory conflicts with China have made it hard for the government to encourage a show of similarity to China.

不同意。西方文化对韩国、日本、越南乃至中国的影响同样显著。我的想法与提问者类似，认为韩国和日本部分由于已实现经济发达地位，在展现自身特色时更有自信。而越南似乎缺乏这种自信，加上当前与中国在南海的领土争端，使得政府难以鼓励民众展现与中国的文化相似性。

Keeley Tim
I strongly agree with your argument. I am a “white Japanese” in other words a caucasian with “Western” roots who is a Japanese citizen. There are 10 Asian languages among the languages I speak, and I have learned both the southern and northern forms of VN. Having traveled by motorcycle over 12,000 km in VN, I can say it is one of the most ethnically diverse and beautiful countries in the world. I think the cultural ministry should promote more of that Asian diversity and rich Sino-influenced culture.

我完全赞同你的观点。作为一名"白人日本人"——即拥有西方血统的日本公民，我掌握十种亚洲语言，包括越南语的南北两种方言。曾骑摩托车在越南行程超过 1.2 万公里，我敢说这是世界上民族最多元、风景最秀丽的国家之一。文化部门真应该多宣传这种亚洲多样性以及受中华文化影响的丰富文化遗产。

Domian Trian
And I blame the fault onto the Vietnamese themselves. Seriously, many Japanese and Koreans promotes their culture through different ways, among them are pop music, games, movies and arts. Instead of blaming the government, blame yourself first for not doing it.

我认为越南人自己也难辞其咎。说真的，日本人和韩国人通过流行音乐、游戏、电影和艺术等多种方式推广自己的文化。与其责怪政府，不如先反省自己为何没有行动起来。

David Yu
It has to different itself, sort of like HK, always try to be different, so it’s own people don’t fall in love with “East Asian” culture.(Mainly Chinese)

它必须与众不同，有点像香港（特区），总是试图标新立异，这样本国人民就不会爱上"东亚"文化。（主要是中国）

Đức Thịnh Nguyễn
But it doesn’t even try. It just not care. Its not rich enough to try to promote traditional Sino influenced culture yet. Those traditions have a feeling of elitism to them and is not enjoyed by the common population who is still dirt poor and barely making through the day.

但它甚至懒得尝试，根本不在乎。它还不够富裕到能推广受中华影响的传统文化。那些传统带有精英主义色彩，尚未被仍在贫困线上挣扎的普通民众所接受。

112233
They just like to act dirt-poor because it suits the mentality of universality and egalitarianism. If most of the Vietnamese population shifted towards Sino-Vietnamese elements then Vietnam would suddenly be propelled into “elitism”. But that can’t happen since most of the world is poor.

他们只是喜欢装穷，因为这种姿态符合普遍平等主义的心态。如果多数越南人转向中越文化元素，越南瞬间就会被推向"精英主义"——但这不可能实现，毕竟世界上大多数人都是贫困的。

Maulana Oraf
Thsts cos French culture mixed with local culture in Vietnam to produce a unique garam masala. Like even in street food u can see French bread sandwich with local toppings.

那是因为法国文化与越南本土文化混合，形成了一种独特的混合风味。就连街头小吃里，你也能看到法式长棍面包、三明治配上本地配料。

112233
We can’t make that argument anymore since baguettes are seen as bread rolls in English and sô cô la is calqued from chocolat (French) but the impact of Westernisation of Japanese, Korean and Chinese culture have negated the “uniquely” French influence on Vietnamese culture.

我们不能再这样论证了，因为法棍在英语里被视作面包卷，sô cô la（巧克力）也是从法语"chocolat"直译过来的——但日韩文化西方化的影响，加上中国文化本身的影响力，早已使法国对越南文化的所谓"独特"影响不复存在。

Vincent OuYoung
Completely agree and there are similarity with nations in South America as well, they tend to be more readily promoting culture that derived from colonialism rather than their native culture and history.
Just don’t go as far and ridiculous like some Koreans that claims Confucius is Korean

完全同意，这与南美国家的情况也有相似之处，他们往往更乐于推广源自殖民时期的文化，而非本土的历史文化传统。
但别像某些韩国人那样离谱到声称孔子是韩国人就好...

Jaehan Park
Been a while since I saw this bullshit claim. Chinese people have to stop saying Koreans are claiming [X] thing which is Chinese. More times that not, it’s fake Chinese news distortion like the Danoje Festival or just straight up fabrications by Chinese nationalists.
How about you Chinese stop claiming foreign countries’ history and identities? Yea sure, there might be some mentally deranged Korean pseudo-nationalists like the Hwanppas but what about your entire government funding a research project to try and claim Korean proto-kingdoms among other non-Chinese border states as part of the Han Sphere?

好久没看到这种胡言乱语了。中国人应该停止总说韩国人剽窃中国文化。多数情况下，要么是像江陵端午祭这类被中国假新闻扭曲的事实，要么干脆就是中国民族主义者凭空捏造的谎言。
你们中国人能不能别再Q取别国的历史和身份认同了？没错，韩国确实有些像“韩伪爱国者”这样精神错乱的伪民族主义者，但你们整个政府资助研究项目，试图将朝鲜原始王国等非中国边境政权纳入汉文化圈，这又算什么？

Vincent OuYoung
If you can read, I said “some koreans” not all.
Are you claiming Korean proto-kingdoms are somehow not part of Sinosphere? Have you studied your own history? What type of writing system for official documents did Korean aristocrats, officials, and academia used for hundreds of years before popularization of Hangul? Is Taoism invent in Korea? Why is the Tai-ji symbol in the South Korean flag? Why are the typical korean name structure matches Chinese name structures so closely? [1–2 character family name] [2 character names] ?
also when you say “your entire government…”. do you mean USA or Taiwan (R.O.C) ? last I check neither one of those did any sort of study involving what you are described.

如果你识字的话，你应该知道我说的是"部分韩国人"而非全部。
你是在声称朝鲜半岛的古王国不属于中华文化圈吗？你研究过自己的历史吗？在韩文普及之前，朝鲜贵族、官员和学术界数百年来官方文书使用的是什么文字体系？道教是韩国发明的吗？为什么韩国国旗上有太极图案？为什么典型的韩语姓名结构与中文姓名结构如此相似？[1-2 个字的姓氏][2个字的名字]？
另外当你说"你们整个政府..."时，指的是美国还是台湾（地区）(所谓的"中华民国")？据我所知，这两者都没有进行过你所描述的那种研究。

Geeaks Z
If the Vietnamese government does not guide the people to actively oppose China, Vietnam will be assimilated by China. South Korea is also actively Anti China, denying history, and even stealing and fabricating history, which is essentially the same as Vietnam.

如果越南政府不引导民众积极反对中国，越南就会被中国同化。韩国也在积极反华，否认历史，甚至窃取和伪造历史，本质上与越南如出一辙。

Wynn Cas
Very true. Vietnamese due to poverty and being on the shit list of the west recently wasted 30 years of economic development so for most food and shelter are most important needs. Our cultural identity and self confidence are still influx. It doesn’t help that the government is not taking the lead like how South Korea did with promoting and supporting the Korean Wave and Kpop. It’s similiar with the Viet Kieu living in the west. The biggest Asian supporters of Trump came from Vn community. There were Vn at capitol on Jan 6th trying to over throw the government for god sake. Lol. Some are getting a rude awakening with the recent anti Asian hate and they’re getting beat up along with the other Asians.

确实如此。由于贫困和近期被西方列入黑名单，越南浪费了30 年的经济发展机遇，因此对大多数人而言，衣食住行仍是最基本的需求。我们的文化认同和自信心仍在形成中。政府未能像韩国推动韩流和 K-pop 那样发挥引领作用，这对现状毫无帮助。这与生活在西方的越侨群体情况类似——特朗普在亚裔群体中最大的支持者就来自越南社区。那年的国会山事件中，甚至有越南人试图推翻政府，真是荒唐可笑。最近的反亚裔仇恨事件让部分人猛然清醒，他们正和其他亚裔一样遭受殴打。

Guolai Ni
The Vietnamese government is right. Vietnam abolishes the use of Chinese characters, which means cutting with the Chinese cultural circle.
Since Vietnam wants to cut with the Chinese cultural circle, it should not publicize the culture related to China. For this reason, it is understandable to choose to publicize what the West likes.

越南政府的做法是正确的。越南废除汉字的使用，意味着与中华文化圈割裂。
既然越南想要脱离中华文化圈，就不该宣传与中国相关的文化。正因如此，选择宣扬西方喜好的文化也是可以理解的。

Sandra Derendy
Vietnam doesn’t want to be swallowed up by China — that’s why it is promoting its coffee and baguettes to help highlight that it is different from China. Don’t be naive about politics!

越南不愿被中国吞并——这就是为何它大力推广咖啡和法棍面包，以此彰显与中国的差异。但政治可没这么天真！