巴基斯坦论坛讨论：巴基斯坦空军是如何击落 3 架阵风战斗机、1 架 SU30 战斗机、1 架米格 29 战斗机和 1 架幻影 2000 战斗机的？

lulldapull
Oh bhai this is all China fan boy musings from their forums no?
First thing first that water rat looking IAF chief spilled da beans 2 days ago no?
They used humreekan Banshee drones trailing foil strips to mimic radar signatures of Al-Rafales and Sukhoi 30 no?
They spoofed us and we launched dozens of PL-15's at those decoy Banshee drones.
Sikh choorray nay interview main ye bola hae.
I can post it........but have you seen his face?.......lol

哦，老兄，这些不都是中国论坛上那些狂热粉丝的臆想吗？
首先那个长得像水鼠的印空军司令两天前不就全招了吗？
他们用了美国制造的女妖无人机拖曳金属箔条来模拟阵风和苏霍伊 30 的雷达特征，对吧？
他们用诱饵迷惑了我们，我们对着那些"女妖"无人机发射了数十枚 PL-15 导弹。
那个锡克教小贼在采访里就是这么说的。
我可以发出来.....但你见过他那张脸吗？.....笑死

Sage
Amazing work, yet MODs have not taken any notice of it.

干得漂亮，可惜国防部还没注意到这事。

Mirza Jatt
Still no proof of PAF downing any jets apart from Social media and PAK ISPR. whereas destruction and blasts deep inside Pakistan in their airbases, ADS and mosques are all out in the open. Even NYT has confirmed which was initially apprehensive about stating it, in fact they used independent satellite images instead of relying on Pakistani or Indian satellites for confirmation. In fact the funniest part is no such attack on Udhampur was recorded as per their satellite images even though they presented the proof of it with a low resolution image in a briefing by PAK air chief..... Pakistani audience i to backward to even verify things, so not surprised that their govt are taking them for a ride.

除了社交媒体和巴基斯坦三军公共关系局的宣传外，至今没有证据证明巴空军击落任何战机。而巴基斯坦境内空军基地、防空系统和清真寺遭受的破坏与爆炸却是有目共睹。连最初持保留态度的《纽约时报》也通过独立卫星图像（而非依赖巴印双方卫星数据）证实了这一点。最讽刺的是，尽管巴空军司令在简报会上用低分辨率图像作为证据，但卫星影像根本未记录到乌达姆普尔遭受过所谓空袭......巴基斯坦民众连基本事实核查能力都匮乏，难怪政府能轻易蒙骗他们。

nabeel190
So far your CDS Airforce Chief, opposition and BJp Members have said they were downed, what other proof you need?

至今你们的国防参谋长、空军司令、反对党和印人党成员都承认战机被击落，还需要什么其他证据？

Zob
we too need proof of PEHLGAM attack. and the ones who did it still not caught?

我们也需要伯尔格姆袭击事件的证据。肇事者至今仍未落网？

lulldapull
Pakistans in a world of hurt.
Every man n his dog has taken notice......
No need to rub it in .

巴基斯坦正深陷困境。
连路人都已察觉...不必再落井下石。

FourMikeEcho
While dhoti wearing PM is wondering why they didn't just put Tejas in the air and get the same losses of 5 airfrxs to cost less money, the Pakistani Chief has become a field marshal. Not really in support of it on my end, but thanks to Modi, you have made the Army all the more powerful

当那位穿腰布的印度总理还在疑惑为何不直接派"光辉"战机升空、以更低成本承受同样 5 架战机损失时，巴基斯坦参谋长已晋升为陆军元帅。我个人虽不完全赞同此举，但感谢莫迪——你让巴军实力更上一层楼。

Zob
beta come from your real ID the INDIAN ID.

小老弟，用你真实的印度 ID 来说话。

lulldapull
You need to digest what has happened here.
Don't get emotional........tthandday dimagh say socheen.

你得好好消化下这里发生的事。
别感情用事……用理智思考。

Zob
Ok beta jaldi bataao. Pakistan lost shall we all quickly learn indian national anthem? Let's go to Lahore beach and catch some fish.

好的，孩子，快点告诉我们。巴基斯坦输了，我们要不要都快点学印度国歌？我们去拉合尔海滩抓鱼吧。

ADIL SHERDIL
@lulldapull From what i can gather from your post in different subs , its safe to assume that you are trying to act like Pakistani but have some deep rooted hate for Us. I can imagine that after all we all aren't new to this. Irani drones and other bullshit that you are repeating again and again shows your true color. Keep on going no one is buying your shit.

@lulldapull 从你在不同板块的发言来看，基本可以断定你是在伪装巴基斯坦人，但骨子里对我们怀有根深蒂固的仇恨。这种套路我们早就见怪不怪了——你反复炒作伊朗无人机之类的陈词滥调，早就暴露了真面目。继续表演吧，反正没人会买账。

FourMikeEcho
You are right, BVR is the best thing thats happened to IAF that we will no longer be able to provide:
2. Or full aircraft surrendered in tact (this one is at the Karachi museum)
We are saddened that the days of providing proof is over. But we know, much like these two heroes (the Gnat pilot and the drinker of tea), PAF will be the biggest source of your next generation leadership and promotions.
Regardless of BVR, IAF can continue the rich tradition of promoting pilots blown out of the sky.
You can cry about satellites all you want, but if this is just a BJP victory, why ban any obxtive journalist or 8,000 external social media accounts. India is acting more like N. Korea than a country who has supposedly won this.
Your 1.2BN can believe what they want to believe, and the 250M in Pakistan can belive what they want to believe. But what is indisputable is the India-Pakistan Kashmir issue is back on world stage.

你说得对，超视距空战是印空军最引以为豪的进步，今后我们再也无法提供：
1. 印空军那些无能飞行员喝茶的茶叶收据
2. 或是完整无损上缴的战机（其中一架还陈列在卡拉奇博物馆）
我们很遗憾提供证据的时代结束了。但我们清楚，就像这两位英雄（蚊蚋战机飞行员和那位喝茶的）一样，巴空军将继续为你们培养下一代指挥官和晋升将领。
不论超视距空战如何，印度空军都能延续其飞行员被击落的"光荣传统"。
尽管可以拿卫星说事，但如果这只是一场印人党的胜利，为何要封禁客观记者和 8000 个境外社交媒体账号？印度的行径更像朝鲜，而非所谓的胜利者。
你们 12 亿人可以选择相信什么，我们巴基斯坦 2.5 亿人也有自己的信念。但无可争议的是，印巴克什米尔问题已重回国际舞台。

lulldapull
No proof of India downing PAF jets in air combat either.
Thank you.....

没有证据表明印度在空战中击落了巴基斯坦空军的战机。谢谢.....

Zob
bhai we are liars according to you. But these are your people and with their lies they still neither accepting or denying losses.
Atleast now ask them to accept the operation is on a pause right? at least now he can say some truth or your military also compromised?
ALL india did was just spoil some of our cement and paint. Good we will build them better.
Now coming back who did PEHLGAM? anyone caught
Ask Jai Shankar also why did he inform us apparently "so the terrorists" can move away?
Question BJP
as for indian media. Please tell them to vacate Lahore sea.

兄弟，按你的说法我们都是骗子。但这些可是你们的人，他们用谎言既不敢承认也不敢否认损失。
至少现在该让他们承认行动暂停了吧？至少现在他总该说点真话，还是说你们军队也被收买了？
印度人不过弄坏我们点水泥和涂料罢了。正好我们可以建个更好的。
现在回到谁策划了普尔瓦马事件？抓到人了吗
也问问苏杰生，为什么他显然是为了"让恐怖分子"逃脱而通知我们？
让印度媒体问问印人党。请告诉他们滚出拉合尔海域...

Pksquad
Our AVM Aurangzeb Ahmed provided full documentation with verified data, locations and the time your planes were shot down including even the radio recordings. This was later confirmed by the French source reported by CNN. What more do you need? The planes fell on your side—why not direct your questions to those who removed the wreckage without providing evidence, instead of questioning us? Ask your government and relevant agencies. We can’t help you if you’re unwilling to help yourselves.

我们的空军准将奥朗则布·艾哈迈德提供了完整记录，包含经核实的击落时间、地点数据，甚至包括无线电录音。CNN 报道的法国消息源随后也证实了这一点。你们还需要什么证据？战机残骸坠落在你们境内——为何不向那些未出示证据就清理残骸的部门质询，反而来质问我们？去问你们的政府和相关机构吧。如果你们自己都不愿查明真相，我们也爱莫能助。

ghazi52
Official kill mark of an IAF Dassault Rafale on one of the Pakistan Air Force’s J-10Cs:

印度空军达索阵风战机的官方击坠标记，记录在巴基斯坦空军一架 J-10C 上：


lulldapull
Gents, we got spoofed. Banshee/ firebee drones provided to India by the US to mimic whatever radar signature to our defenses. We got spoofed. These are what we downed thinking they were Sukhoi and rafale and what not:

各位，我们被骗了。美国提供给印度的"女妖"/"火蜂"无人机能够模拟任何雷达信号来欺骗我们的防御系统。我们上当了。这些被我们击落的所谓苏霍伊和阵风战机，其实都是：


sohail.ishaque
An Indian trying hard to prove that the whole world is mistaken and that the Rafales are safe and sound... lol

一个印度人拼命想证明全世界都错了，阵风战机安然无恙...笑死

lulldapull
We've been had no?
Its a serious defeat for us.
So obvious now......All we can do is make junk J10 vs Al-Rafale memes.
11 military bases per hamlay (crippling them), 7 yateemo k madarsay tabah?
Not a single one of our Al-Fattah bill Nasr rockets made it to any Indian targets. All of em swatted down with ease by Indians, including junk turkiya drones. And we couldn't shoot down a single Scalp nor Brahmos? All our AD radars destroyed including the junk China supplied HQ-9/ 16's?
Asim Munir should face court martial along with the three services chiefs.
Baghertay na laiq na ehal hkumraan.
Mulk ko zaleel kar diya? So embarrassing!

我们被耍了，不是吗？这对我们来说是场惨败。
现在真相大白了.....我们只能做些垃圾 J10 对阵阵风的梗图...
这次袭击摧毁了我们 11 个军事基地（使其瘫痪），7 所宗教学校被毁？
我们的"纳斯尔"导弹连一个印度目标都没击中。全被印度轻松拦截，包括那些土耳其垃圾无人机。而我们连一枚"风暴阴影"或"布拉莫斯"都打不下来？所有防空雷达都被摧毁，包括中国提供的 HQ-9/16 垃圾系统？
阿西姆·穆尼尔应当与三军参谋长一起接受军事法庭审判。
这群无能的废物不配执政。
让国家蒙羞至此？太尴尬了！

Zob
Amazing my indian friend Amazing. when will you come from your real ID? still waiting

精彩啊，我的印度朋友，真精彩。你什么时候用真实账号现身？我还在等着呢..

Waiting
You can show all of your Rafale to world.. go for an elephant walk...

你可以向全世界展示你所有的阵风战机...来个"大象漫步"吧...

lulldapull
Trump saved us with ceasefire......otherwise we were fukking done!
Hamara band baja bajj gya hae peechhay say.......basically. Its not even funny anymore.
Ab Trump he day ga with UK/ EU chipping in toward a gradual rearmament process with lots of hand me downs/ used western equipment.
I'd be surprised if we approach China for any weapons now and totally agree with Tom Cooper that it would take a decade for Pakistan to recover the losses from this short war.

是特朗普用停火协议救了我们.....否则我们就完蛋了！
我们后方已经被打得溃不成军了...说真的。这一点都不好笑。
但特朗普会推动英国/欧盟逐步参与重整军备进程，提供大量二手西方装备。
如果现在我们向中国寻求任何武器，我会感到惊讶，并且完全同意汤姆·库珀的观点：巴基斯坦需要十年时间才能从这场短暂战争中恢复损失。

Zob
Bus kar paglaaay itni acting bohat hogayi beta. you deserve an OSCAR. Ajit Doval kay betaay.

别演了，疯子，戏太多了孩子。你值得一座奥斯卡奖。阿吉特·杜瓦尔（印度政府官员和前情报部门负责人）的崽子。

lulldapull
We got humbled......bharrkain maarnay say kuchh ne hona ab.
Everybody found out we got humiliated.
Now, what will we do to prevent a repeat of this? or have we been permanently subdued/ intimidated now?
This is the important question.

我们被教训了......光会吠叫是没用的。
所有人都知道我们被羞辱了。
现在，我们要怎么做才能避免重蹈覆辙？还是说我们已经永远被压制/吓倒了？
这是个关键问题。

FourMikeEcho
We will have to have some more authoritative source in the future. The youtube channels everybody is posting here are all unfounded. They may or may not be wrong but they have no more information than what we have.
Its possible that on Sept 7th, PAF realizes some more actionable info .

今后我们需要更权威的消息来源。目前大家在这里发布的 YouTube 频道内容都缺乏依据。这些信息可能对也可能错，但他们掌握的情况并不比我们更多。
9 月 7 日巴基斯坦空军可能获得了更具可操作性的情报。

lulldapull
We need to engage the Iranis to get effective weaponry and kamikaze drones/ and their stealthier cruise missiles and hypersonics.
Ye China/ turkish do numbri maal karamad ne hae ga ab!
We also need to get Irani ABM systems ASAP. Their Bavar, Raad and Khordad systems along with their Majeed/ Matla ul Fajr/ Qashif radars.......
Its a nat'l security issue gents.
Defund the PAF and PN because they are completely useless now.

我们需要与伊朗人合作，以获得高效武器、自杀式无人机及其更隐身的巡航导弹和高超音速武器。
现在中国/土耳其的产品已经不管用了！
还需尽快引进伊朗的反导系统。他们的"信仰"、"雷霆"、"霍达德"系统，配合"马吉德"/"黎明曙光"/"卡什夫"雷达......
诸位，这关乎国家安全。
削减巴基斯坦空军和海军的经费，因为他们现在毫无用处。

mdmm
Mr. Lulla pull
Truth is that several countries recorded air fight of Pakistam/India.
....Be realistic. ...
Several countries saying that Pakistan have destroyed 7 Indian jet fighters on May ,2025.
PAF destroyed 3 Indian jet figters in Feb. 2019 (Abhinandan told in Pakistani prison).

Lulla pull先生..现实点吧。
事实是多个国家都观察并记录下了巴基斯坦与印度的空战。
多个国家声称巴基斯坦在 2025 年 5 月击落了 7 架印度喷气式战斗机。
巴基斯坦空军在 2019 年 2 月击落了 3 架印度战斗机（阿比南丹在巴基斯坦监狱中供述）。

lulldapull
Aik wreckage dikha do IAF plane ka chiknay?
Aik satellite pic dikha do if we hit Indian base......
Main abhee tuwaadda lund choos leta hoon paee.
saboot day day na chiknay.......we dhunntt need jack shiit else fraaHMM yhous no?
Day day saboott paee......

给我看看印度空军战机的残骸啊，宝贝？
有本事放一张卫星图证明我们打了印度基地啊……
不然现在你就含住屌闭嘴，宝贝。
拿出证据啊，宝贝…我们他妈不需要别的，懂吗？
给证据啊，宝贝…
注：“chiknay”印地语中俚语，有润滑的、光滑的、无暇的女人、甜心、宝贝等意思。

Zob
I will give you proof when india shows us its 36 rafales. what did india destroy some cement walls of our bases?
The world is laughing at India and their media and their DG Military

当印度向我们展示其 36 架阵风战机时，我会给你证据。印度不过是摧毁了我们基地的几堵水泥墙，不是吗？
全世界都在嘲笑印度及其媒体和军事行动总指挥。

ADIL SHERDIL
No one in Pakistan say Lund. You Lundians. You guys are so fking insecure that you try to act like Pakistani but we can single you out by your stench. kbhi gao matta ka ghost khaya hai? Meray ghar ajj beef briyani bani hai bhej don?
Chikknay? Really? Khwaja sara bhi malloom hotay ho?

在巴基斯坦没人会说"Lund"这个词。你们这些 Lund 人。你们这群人实在太缺乏安全感了，总想假扮巴基斯坦人，但你们身上的臭味根本藏不住。吃过牛粪吗？我家今天做了牛肉香饭，要给你寄点吗？
润滑的？真的吗？太监也知道这些事？
注：在印地语中，"lund"是一个粗俗的俚语，指代男性生殖器。

FourMikeEcho
I think with your defeatest attitude, you should move to India. Nothing you write makes any sense. This is an English language forum. Do you know how to write or just speaking into your phone?

以你这种失败主义的态度，还是搬去印度吧。你写的东西毫无逻辑可言。这里是英文论坛，你到底会不会写字，还是只会对着手机胡言乱语？

lulldapull
Saboot do......otherwise shutup kaal.......
We are the laughing stock on every forum now.......thanks to bullshitters!

拿出证据来…否则就闭嘴吧，混蛋……
我们现在成了所有论坛的笑柄......都怪那些胡说八道的人！

FourMikeEcho
You really should spend less time on youtube and useless social media as a source of making assertions, specially one that have a lot of admiration of Iranians. Iranians attack did nothing to Israelis. Its the Houthis that are sustaining their campaign. THe Iranians mass storm was a disaster in both the attacks with the exception of one missile hitting the edge of a base.
Iranian. drones have been now worthless in Ukraine too. Your obsession is baseless.
I admire them for standing up to the Iranians, but the actual outcome did not change trajectory of whats going in Israel/Gaza. They also lost their proxy in Hizbollah.
So pls stop typing BS about another losing muslim country.

你真该少花点时间在 YouTube 和无用的社交媒体上获取断言依据，尤其是那些对伊朗人充满崇拜的内容。伊朗人的袭击对以色列人毫无影响，持续发动攻势的是胡塞武装。伊朗的大规模袭击除了有一枚导弹击中基地边缘外，其余行动堪称灾难。
如今伊朗无人机在乌克兰战场也毫无价值。你的执念毫无根据。
我钦佩他们敢于对抗伊朗人，但实际结果并未改变以色列/加沙地带的局势走向。他们还失去了真主党这个代理人。
所以请别再为另一个失败的穆斯林国家胡言乱语了。

lulldapull
Oh bhai just let it go......you ain't gotta clue what yous sayin no?
Pakistan has been brought down to its knees.
Trump ka ulla saved us no? otherwise wes was done no?
Sub fail.....Pakistans strategic assets are a joke no?
Shaheend, Hubdali mayzile, Ghaznavid mayzile?....Fattah and Nasr mayzile?
Pyo di tuttian nikal gaee hain sub day saamnay no?
just yesterday Irani drones devastated Ukraine:
Pata ne kiss dunya main reh ra hae tu?.........lol

哎，老兄别纠结了......你根本不知道自己在说什么对吧？
巴基斯坦已被彻底击垮。
特朗普"救世主"不是救了我们吗？否则我们不就完蛋了吗？
巴基斯坦的战略资产就是个笑话，不是吗？
沙欣导弹、哈塔夫导弹、加兹纳维导弹？...法塔赫导弹和纳斯尔导弹？
所有人的底裤都被扒光了吧？
就在昨天，伊朗无人机还重创了乌克兰：（链接）
你活在哪个世界啊？........笑死

Novus ordu
What obxtive did Pakistan achieve? Even if several Indian jets were downed, which is doubtful, India achieved military and strategic goals.
1. Big retaliation in response to terror attack. This establishes precedence and next time it may be worse.
2. Held Pakistan accountable (no hiding behind ‘non-state’ actors).
3. Took nukes out of the equation, escalated/de-escalated at will.
4. Put Pakistan under pressure. Biden would have come very close to designating Pakistan state sponsor of terror (if not outright done it), along with the dilapidating sanctions that come with it.
While Pakistanis celebrate downing of an Indian fighter jet like you have won the World Cup.

巴基斯坦达成了什么目标？即便击落了数架印度战机（这点值得怀疑），印度仍实现了军事和战略目标。
1. 针对恐怖袭击实施大规模报复。此举开创先例，下次行动可能更为激烈。
2. 迫使巴基斯坦承担责任（无法再用"非国家行为体"作为借口）。
3. 将核武器因素排除在外，可随意升级或降级冲突规模。
4. 向巴基斯坦施压。拜登政府几乎就要将巴基斯坦列为恐怖主义资助国（即便尚未正式宣布），随之而来的将是使其元气大伤的各项制裁。
就当巴基斯坦人像赢得世界杯般庆祝击落印度战机时。

lulldapull
Bilkul........saw feesad durust!
Idher logon ko samajh he nahi aata the gravity of this event and its horrible implications for us as a nation.

完全正确...百分之百准确！
这里的人们根本不明白这一事件的严重性及其对我们国家造成的可怕影响。

mdmm
This is for you Mr. Lulla Pull,
Indian military chief acknowledges loss of fighter jets in May conflict with Pakistan​
By Billy Stockwell, CNN.
published 9:47 AM EDT, Sat May 31, 2025
CNN —
India’s military has acknowledged for the first time that an unspecified number of its fighter jets were shot down during strikes on Pakistani-controlled territory amid intense fighting between the neighbors in early May.
Indian officials had previously refused to confirm even a single aircraft loss.

这是给你的，Lulla Pull先生，好好看看：
印度军方高层承认 5 月与巴基斯坦冲突中战斗机损失（链接）
作者：比利·斯托克威尔，CNN
发布于 2025 年 5 月 31 日星期六美国东部时间上午 9:47
印度国防参谋长阿尼尔·乔汉表示，
CNN 报道——印度军方首次承认，在 5 月初与邻国的激烈交战中，其多架战斗机在对巴基斯坦控制区实施空袭时被击落。
此前印度官员甚至拒绝承认损失任何一架战机。

lulldapull
but look how our deterrent has been demolished.
All of our neighbors attack us openly now.
What are you exactly celebrating here?

但看看我们的威慑力是如何被摧毁的。
现在所有邻国都公开攻击我们。
你们到底在庆祝什么？

FourMikeEcho
India's strategic obxtives: go begging again for source code 4 years after weapons delivered instead of having the intelligence to have negotiated it up front.
And second obxtive achieved is to get Bangladesh to go Chinese weapons.
And put China's armaments tech at par with Western......
And they got 5 more pilot candidates for future promotions.

印度的战略目标：在武器交付四年后再次乞求源代码，而非展现智慧在前期谈判中就解决这一问题。
第二个达成的目标是促使孟加拉国转向中国武器。
并将中国军工技术提升至与西方同级......
他们还为未来晋升储备了五名飞行员候选人。

lulldapull
Whiskey k peechhhay US bettha hae bhai......
The US saved us no? another coupla days wes wuz fukkin done in no?
Tejas pejas J-10C and rafale shit is irrelevant no?
What matters is they hit us with their aero-ballistic missiles very accurately and had crippled us! and our retaliation was easily swatted down.
Trump sahb nay bachaa liya vurna hum gaey thay.
And our do rupay key China funded military exposed as phateechar no?
Ab kya izzat reh gaee hae hamari?
I want PAF and PN immediately defunded and all resources put toward acquiring hypersonic missiles, drones and proper AD/ surveillance.
India can attack us again.......anytime now.
We've been exposed.

还好国家的背后可是有美国撑腰啊，兄弟......
要不是美国出手相救，我们早就完蛋了吧？再拖个几天咱们就彻底玩完了不是吗？
光辉、J-10C 和阵风这些破玩意儿重要吗？
关键是他们用空射弹道导弹精准打击了我们，让我们彻底瘫痪！而我们的反击被轻易拦截了。
多亏特朗普老爷救场，不然我们就完蛋了。
我们那两块钱的中国资助军队暴露了其跟破烂一样的内在，对吧？
我们的尊严还剩下什么？
我要求立即削减巴基斯坦空军和海军的经费，将所有资源用于获取高超音速导弹、无人机以及完善的防空/监视系统。
印度随时可能再次袭击我们......
我们已经暴露无遗。

FourMikeEcho
If Indians are half the power they claim to be, they should do a Elephant Walk and have Dassault come verify. Instead they lost airplanes and blocked social media channels so they can live in their bubble. No wonder they were ruled for a 1000 years and now enslaved by the Developed world into thinking they can fight China

如果印度人有他们自称的一半实力，就该来场"大象漫步"并让达索公司来验证。结果他们丢了战机还封锁社交媒体，好活在自己的幻想泡泡里。难怪被统治了上千年，如今又被发达国家洗脑到自以为能对抗中国。
注："大象漫步"可指代两种截然不同的概念：军事演习与伸展运动。在军事语境中，它特指多架战机起飞前以密集队形滑行的壮观场面，象征着战备状态与强大战力。而在运动领域，这是一种腘绳肌拉伸动作，练习者需保持双手触地或扶于高处，身体前倾并交替伸展双腿。

FourMikeEcho
Its a war of attrition: wars do not produce winners. This leads to a war of attrition. Hypersonic vs. Hypersonic.
That , short of nuclear deterrent, is deterrent enough. Next time , the attacks may not be limited to the military targets in either side.
India may target cities. But then Pakistan will have also India's economic centers.
Both will lose civilians.

这是一场消耗战：战争不会产生赢家。最终只会演变成双方相互消耗的局面。高超音速武器对高超音速武器。
在核威慑之外，这种程度的威慑已然足够。下一次，双方的攻击可能不会仅限于军事目标。
印度可能会袭击城市。但巴基斯坦同样会将印度的经济中心纳入打击范围。
双方都将付出平民伤亡的代价。

But Pakistan doesn't have any external investment (or much) coming in. That is unfortunate. India on the other hand runs on 10s of billions of $ of FDI. Once Banglore and Chennai are hit, the profile for India changes. This is where Pakistan has nothing to lose, but India basically becomes Israel.
A lot western companies pulled out of Israel in 2023. India has reputation and economic development to lose. This is where Pakistan's current unfortunate situation in terms of being behind economically are not a further loss.
So don't be a defeatest and give up: whats your alternate, just take it into the chin? Is this what you would do if your wife was verbally used right outside your house by a bigger guy? No you have to hit back with what you can and exploit vulnerability.

但巴基斯坦几乎没有（或很少）获得外部投资，这很不幸。反观印度则依靠数百亿美元的外国直接投资运转。一旦班加罗尔和金奈遭受打击，印度的形象将彻底改变。此刻的巴基斯坦已无甚可失，而印度实质上会变成以色列的处境。
2023 年众多西方企业撤出以色列。印度的国际声誉和经济发展成果可能毁于一旦。巴基斯坦当前经济落后的不幸境遇，反而使其无需承受更大损失。
所以别当失败主义者轻言放弃：你的替代方案是什么，难道要打落牙齿和血吞？如果有个壮汉在你家门口言语侮辱你的妻子，你会这样忍气吞声吗？不，你必须用现有手段反击，抓住对方的弱点出击。

lulldapull
Oh Pa G, ab to hamari military expose ho gaee hae na.
We truly suffered a comprehensive defeat. India paralyzed our shitty PAF and totally grounded it.
Our third class AD got punk'd bad no? Couldn't stop a single Indian missile.
And our missile retaliation nullified by their strong AD.
This ain't no defeatist attitude bhai.......ye haqeeqat hae!
India demolished our nuke deterrent too.
Now we are vulnerable to further attack and the next one might be fatal.

哦，天啊，这下我们的军事机密都暴露了，不是吗？
我们确实遭遇了全面溃败。印度彻底瘫痪了我们那破烂的巴基斯坦空军，完全掌控了制空权。
咱们那三流防空系统被吊打了不是吗？连一枚印度导弹都拦不住。
而我方的导弹反击也被他们强大的防空系统完全化解。
兄弟，这可不是失败主义论调......这就是血淋淋的现实！
印度也摧毁了我们的核威慑力量。
现在我们更容易遭受进一步攻击，下一次打击可能是致命的。

FourMikeEcho
Indian too ashamed of his own identity to come act as a Pakistani guy. I understand your inferior sentiment given you have been under occupation for 1000 years and now again you have been taught a lesson from the West, while on the East, Bangladesh threw out your corrupt agent and now inching close to China.
Second flag officer from India admitting loss of aircraft and change of tactics. This is Chief Defense Staff.
He is not admitting how many, but admitting it took place, which is sufficient.
The military leadership cannot deny reality.

这个印度人羞于承认自己身份，竟冒充巴基斯坦人。我理解你的自卑情绪——毕竟你们被殖民统治了 1000 年，如今西方又给你们上了一课；而在东方，孟加拉国赶走了你们腐败的代理人，现在正逐渐向中国靠拢。
这是印度第二位承认战机损失并改变战术的将级军官。此人是国防参谋长。
他并未承认具体数量，但承认事件确实发生，这就足够了。
军方领导层无法否认现实。

1. There is enough signal intelligence and other sensors that other defense forces know
2. Hiding the loss does not then lead to introspection of how to improve your forces. Its terrible for morale
3. And they know that if they really had zero losses, they would have Dassault come and certify that all aircraft supplied are in tact.
lulldapull you can start posting as an Indian. Or just immgirate to Pakistan​
India lost jets but changed tactics to hit Pakistan hard: CDS - Times of India

1. 有足够的信号情报和其他传感器数据可供其他防务部门掌握
2. 隐瞒损失无助于反思如何提升部队战力，这对士气是毁灭性的
3. 他们心知肚明，若真能做到零战损，早该让达索公司出面认证所有交付战机完好无损了。
lulldapull，你可以开始以印度人的身份发帖了。或者干脆移民到巴基斯坦
印度损失战机但改变战术重创巴基斯坦：国防参谋长 - 印度时报(链接）

NEW DELHI: India did lose some fighter jets during the strikes on nine terror hubs in Pakistan and Azad Kashmir and the consequent retaliation on May 7, but then changed tactics to inflict major damage on airbases deep across the border before the ceasefire three days later, Chief of Defence Staff General Anil Chauhan said on Saturday.
The CDS did not specify the exact number of jets India lost but asserted that Pakistan's claim of having shot down six IAF aircraft, including three French-origin Rafales, was "absolutely incorrect" in separate interviews to Reuters TV and Bloomberg TV on the sidelines of the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore.
Gen Chauhan's admission of India's initial setbacks during Operation Sindoor is the most direct since director -general of air operations Air Marshal A K Bharti on May 11 said losses were part of any combat situation but "all our pilots are back home", implying that they had ejected safely after their jets were hit by enemy fire.

新德里消息：国防参谋长阿尼尔·乔汉上将周六表示，印度在 5 月 7 日空袭巴基斯坦及自由克什米尔地区 9 个恐怖据点及随后的报复行动中确实损失了部分战机，但随后调整战术，在三天后停火前对边境纵深的空军基地造成了重大打击。
在新加坡香格里拉对话会间隙接受路透社电视台和彭博电视台采访时，这位国防参谋长虽未具体说明印军损失战机数量，但坚称巴方宣称击落 6 架印空军战机（包括 3 架法国制造的阵风战机）的说法"完全失实"。
乔汉上将承认印度在"辛杜尔行动"初期受挫，这是自 5 月 11 日空军作战局长 A·K·巴蒂亚空军中将表态以来最直接的官方回应。当时巴蒂亚称战损是任何作战行动的一部分，但"所有飞行员都已安全返航"，暗示战机被击中后飞行员成功弹射逃生。

lulldapull
Lasker key Toiba/ JUD k 7 madarsay urra diye?
Phir hamaray 11 AFB's sustained heavy damage?
We responded with what we had but it all failed.
There's no telling when Modi's dalit army might attack us next, on the whim, fabricating any false flag and blaming it on us.
We got a grave situation at our hands, I'm lost for words bro.

虔诚军炸毁了 7 所宗教学校？
然后我们的 11 个空军基地遭受重创？
我们用现有装备进行了反击，但全都失败了。
莫迪的低种姓军队随时可能心血来潮再次袭击我们，编造任何虚假借口并嫁祸给我们。
我们面临严峻局势，兄弟我都不知道该说什么了。
注：虔诚军是巴基斯坦伊斯兰主义恐怖组织，被联合国安理会制裁委员会列为恐怖组织，奉行萨拉菲圣战意识形态。

FourMikeEcho
Is this why your master asked western social media to shut down access to 8000 channels? Height of insecurity.
Or denying the French inspection of Rafales. Why don't you do what Pakistan did with Lockheed: they had Lockheed verify the number of F-16s the last time your a** got handed to you along with a few nice cups of team and a cadre of your future air marshals

这就是你们的主人要求西方社交媒体关闭 8000 个频道访问权限的原因吗？真是缺乏安全感到极点了。
或者拒绝法国对阵风战机的检查。你们怎么不学学巴基斯坦对待洛克希德的方式：上次你们屁股被揍得开花时，他们让洛克希德核实了 F-16 的数量，还附赠了几杯好茶和一批未来的空军元帅呢。

lulldapull
You don't understand what has happened here, do you? India has quite clearly defeated us no?
We could not prevent them from hitting our bases nor penetrate their AD no?
You are doing that kids play here.......Abbu abbu look we shot down 2 IAF planes?
India's clearly whooped our aass.

你还没明白发生了什么吧？印度显然已经击败了我们，不是吗？
我们既没能阻止他们袭击我方基地，也没能突破他们的防空系统，不是吗？
你这是在玩过家家吗......"爸爸，爸爸快看，我们击落了两架印度空军飞机"？
印度显然把我们打得落花流水。

Zob
My indian friend
watch this and learn and stop trying to troll. Be a pure indian come from your real ID.

我的印度朋友，（链接）
看这个学着点，别再试图挑衅了。做个纯粹的印度人，用你的真实身份来交流。

Kao Boy

Proof of Pakistan's super intelligence!!

巴基斯坦超级情报能力的证明！！

Zob
poor indians cant deny cant accept.
Plus please provide proof of pehlgam or the culprits of pehlgam the apparent inside job done by BJP shameful and disgusting

可怜的印度人既无法否认也无法接受。
另外请提供关于佩赫勒甘姆事件的证据或肇事者——这显然是印度人民党自导自演的卑鄙行径，令人作呕...

ADNAN199057
We know @lulldapull it is hard to digest now after the CDS statement every Indian is mad that WTF happened to the IAF on that night, the score 7-0 is not digestible.

我们知道@lulldapull 现在很难接受这个事实——自从国防参谋长声明后，每个印度人都疯了，那晚印度空军到底发生了什么，7 比 0 的战损比实在令人难以消化。

lulldapull
Bhai our military has been exposed as a paper tiger and the C weapons complex exposed as a bunch of toymakers.
What a debacle no?
Toba toba toba!
I hope we stop buying C and AL-Turkiyan junk now. At least I hope we do it bhai.

兄弟，我们的军队已被证明是纸老虎，而C的武器系统也被揭露不过是一堆玩具制造商的产品。
多么惨痛的失败啊，不是吗？
愿神明宽恕我们！
希望我们现在停止购买C和土耳其的垃圾装备。至少我希望我们能这么做，兄弟。

FourMikeEcho
You are an illiterate moron on drugs. I think the rest of this forum is right to ignore you, and that is what will occur; you are blocked and you can make your lunatic unreadable comments elsewhere. Not blocking because I disagree with your comments. But because you write like a moron and impossible to figure out your comments.

你就是个嗑药的文盲白痴。我认为论坛其他成员选择无视你是正确的，事实也正如此；你已被屏蔽，可以到别处去发表那些疯言疯语。屏蔽你不是因为不认同你的观点，而是因为你显得像个智障，根本看不懂你在胡扯什么。

lulldapull
You understand everything I write.
Now don't say you're illiterate on your own language.
Why are you commenting on Pakistan when you can't even understand Urdu?
What are you doing here?

你完全理解我写的内容。
现在别说你连自己的母语都不认识。
你连乌尔都语都看不懂，凭什么对巴基斯坦评头论足？
你在这儿瞎掺和什么？

ADNAN199057
These Indian Chaps are pretending to be on Pakistani side and just bashing the statements, and speaking without facts, this thread is meaningless for any defense analyst. This is the level of desperation of Indians that they are now banging their head here, as their military cannot provide proof to them, Plus their Generals are accepting losses. after getting beaten by Chinese now by Pakistan.
for Indians in this forum.
Your A** was totally kicked at that night.
=> 6 jets + a drone, a serious number when you park those jets in a row and then imagine. 3 Rafales, amazing Mirage2000, Su30 MKI, and a Mig-29.
=> when IAF launched weapons, PAF launched BVR missiles, but but In operation Bunyan Al Marsoos, Where was IAF???? why PAF jets were not intercepted, what happened. Let me tell you, they knew the night few days back.

这些印度人假装站在巴基斯坦一边，却只会空口指责，毫无事实依据，这个帖子对任何防务分析师来说都毫无意义。印度人已经绝望到这种程度，只能在这里撞墙，因为他们的军方无法提供证据，而且他们的将军们也在承认失败。先是被中国教训，现在又被巴基斯坦收拾。
论坛里的印度人听着：
那天晚上你们被彻底打趴下了。
=> 6 架战机加 1 架无人机，把这些战机排成一列想象一下，数字相当惊人。3 架阵风、令人惊叹的幻影 2000、苏 30 MKI，还有 1 架米格-29。
=> 当印度空军发射武器时，巴基斯坦空军发射了超视距导弹，但在"梧桐行动"中，印度空军在哪里？为何巴军战机未被拦截？发生了什么？让我告诉你，他们几天前的夜晚就已获知情报。

=> none of the PAF jet shot down, not even a single video evidence, IAF didn't provide any info about PAF aircraft shot down.
=> IAF has an old tradition of always coming up with BVR missiles, last time it was AMRAAM, and now PL-15. there is no such thing in PAF.
=> Multiple Indian bases hit video evidences are there. yes PAF bases were damaged and a SAAB 2000 also got damaged, we acknowledge that.
=> S-400 totally decimated, its operator was killed and news came out (Ram babu).
=> Indians Talking about Chinese weapon, should now learn that what is their class. Pakistani armed forces acquire them after detail testing, not like yours Defense scandals.
=> Indian military satellite was jammed.
=> Multiple Brahmos missiles were intercepted and spoofed, only one or few out of salvos managed to hit the target.

=> 巴基斯坦空军无一架战机被击落，甚至连一段视频证据都没有，印度空军也未能提供任何关于击落巴军战机的信息。
=> 印度空军有个老传统——总是拿超视距导弹说事，上次是AIM-120，这次又说是 PL-15。巴基斯坦空军根本不存在这种情况。
=> 多个印度基地遭袭的视频证据确凿。是的，巴方基地也受损了，一架萨博2000支线客机遭到破坏，我们承认这点。
=> S-400 系统被彻底摧毁，操作员阵亡的消息已经传出。
=> 印度人谈论中国武器时，现在该认清其真实水平了。巴基斯坦军队经过详细测试才采购这些装备，不像你们的国防采购丑闻频发。
=> 印度军用卫星遭到干扰。
=> 多枚布拉莫斯导弹被拦截和诱骗，齐射中仅有一两枚命中目标。

I have mentioned few things,
=> If Indians have destroyed Pakistan 20% air forces, bases hit, then why they asked for/accepted the ceasefire.
=> SH-15 Howitzers was the best weapon in this conflict, they were deployed quickly, and destroyed key Indian positions, where were you K-9s or ATAGs.
to those Indians even a rafale tail number is shown, French authorities confirm the losses, Mig-29 wreckage is there, Su-30MKI was also seen and confirmed, Mirage 2000 engine is also there, but the Pajeet be like "noo saaar noo saar"
@lulldapull are you all right

我提到几点：
=> 如果印度人摧毁了巴基斯坦 20%的空军力量，轰炸了基地，那他们为何要求/接受停火。
=> 中国造SH-15榴弹炮是这场冲突中的最佳武器，它们迅速部署并摧毁了印军关键阵地，你们的 K-9 或 ATAGS（印产牵引式火炮） 在哪呢？
即便向印度人展示了阵风战机尾编号、法国官方确认了损失、米格-29 残骸就在那里、苏-30MKI 也被目击确认、幻影 2000 发动机残骸同样存在，这些印度网民还是只会重复"没有啊先生，没有啊先生"。
@lulldapull，你还好吗？

FourMikeEcho
They are captivated by dhoti modi so find hard to discern any facts from modi's fiction. Indian military must be the only one that with 20% of basis destroyed on a winning streak they call for a ceasefire. No wonder they were ruled for a 1000 years.

他们被莫迪的腰布所迷惑，难以从莫迪的虚构梦境中辨别事实。印军恐怕是唯一在 20%基地被毁的"胜利态势"下主动要求停战的军队。难怪他们被外族统治了上千年。

Daghalodi
Pakistan becomes the First Country to shoot down Rafaels in a combat!

巴基斯坦成为了首个在实战中击落阵风战机的国家！