面对全球逆风，中国汽车制造商进军非洲

 
China has been quietly driving an electric vehicle revolution in many parts of Africa, creating jobs and supporting a transition away from fossil fuels. A raft of African governments are welcoming Chinese EV imports and production. This comes even as the United States and the European unx slap higher tariffs on Chinese EV imports in a bid to counter competitiveness.
 
中国一直在悄然推动非洲许多地区的电动汽车革命，创造就业机会并支持摆脱化石燃料。许多非洲国家的政府都对中国的电动汽车进口和生产表示欢迎。即便如此，美国和欧盟仍对中国电动汽车进口征收更高的关税以打击其竞争力。
 
@257.4MHz
I hope many Africans get lifted from poverty
 
我希望许多非洲人能够摆脱贫困。
 
@xcx23cwea65
Hope they reversed engineer the tech and build their own.
 
希望他们能对该技术进行逆向工程并生产出自己的电动汽车。
 
@ZweiZwolf
Chinese EVs and BRI infrastructure can make that happen.  EVs can be powered by inexpensive local solar power, rather than increasingly expensive gasoline, and China builds infrastructure that generates long term economic growth.
 
中国的电动汽车和一带一路倡议下的基础设施可以实现这一点。电动汽车可以使用当地廉价的太阳能而不是日益昂贵的汽油。而且中国建设的基础设施可以促进长期的经济增长。
 
@Anonymous------
@xcx23cwea65
I hope the Africans can move to live in North America where land and natural resources are plenty, the same reason people from Europe went to live there.
 
我希望非洲人能搬到北美生活，那里有大量的土地和自然资源，就和欧洲人去那里生活的原因一样。
 
@NoFrillz-G
 @xcx23cwea65  They  they don't have to reverse engineer it. China is sharing alot of the tech so they can service it moving forward. R&D will be sitll Chinese until the Africans are ready. Let's hope the west doesn't cause any civil war on the continent as they have done before.
 
@xcx23cwea65 他们不需要逆向工程，因为中国正在共享大量的技术以便他们能够继续提供服务。在非洲人准备好之前，研发工作将由中国人承担。希望西方不要像以前那样在非洲大陆引发内战。
 
@ZweiZwolf
 @Anonymous------   Africa has more land and natural resources than North America, which is why Europe colonized them in the first place!
 
@Anonymous------ 非洲拥有比北美更多的土地和自然资源，这也是当初欧洲殖民非洲的原因！
 
@tooltalk
 @NoFrillz-G  Sure, why doesn't China build solar panel factories or EV factories in Africa?
 
 @NoFrillz-G 当然，中国为什么不在非洲建太阳能电池板工厂或电动汽车工厂呢？
 
@NoFrillz-G
 @tooltalk  probably tons of reasons but, one of the reason is that a lot the resources and minerals needed for solar panels actually comes from China. Manufacturing in China is efficient and the resources needed are all close by. As for EV, the Africans might not be manufacturing the full car but, there are many batteries factories popping up in Africa supporting the EV ecosystem. Africa is playing a big part in the EV revolution not just blessed with minerals. Along with Sodium batteries, that will make batteries much cheaper with less dependence on rare earth creating a safer and cheaper battery accessible to the entire world. Africa will be the spoke in the EV electrified revolution potential cornering the Battery manufacturing market. I might be optimistic but, I do not doubt the African's grit and determination to power them forward to the next decades to come.
 
@tooltalk 这可能有很多原因，但其中一个原因是太阳能电池板所需的大量资源和矿产实际上来自中国。中国的生产效率更高，所需的资源都在附近。至于电动汽车，非洲人可能不会制造整车，但非洲有许多为电动汽车生态系统提供支持的电池工厂正在涌现。非洲不仅拥有得天独厚的矿产资源，还在电动汽车革命中扮演着重要的角色。随着钠电池的出现，电池的成本将大大降低，对稀土的依赖也将减少，从而为全世界提供更安全、更便宜的电池。在电动汽车电气化革命中，非洲将成为潜在的电池制造市场。我可能比较乐观，但我并不怀疑非洲人的勇气和决心，他们有能力在未来的几十年里继续前进。
 
@Politicalchaoss
Why buying expensive cars from Europe while you can buy better cars with half the price from China
 
当你可以从中国以一半的价格买到更好的汽车时，为什么要从欧洲购买昂贵的汽车呢？
 
@user-hq3fg1wb4q
Buy expensive car from Europe is a smart move while buying cheap from China is a debt trap
 
从欧洲买贵车是明智之举，从中国买便宜车是债务陷阱。笑哭了。
 
@Jonipoon
Half the price, perhaps.  But better? No way. I have tested several electric cars and the Chinese ones are definitely lesser in quality, much more plastic etc.
 
也许它们的价格便宜一半，但更好吗？不可能。我测试过几款电动汽车，中国汽车的质量肯定要差一些，塑料感更强等等。
 
@Jonipoon
@jackychen5578  I've tested Byd, Ora and Xpeng, and I've tested Tesla, Polestar and Volkswagen's electric vehicles.
Even Chinese citizens themselves prefer western brands because of their higher quality, what do you want to discuss?
 
@jackychen5578 我测试过比亚迪、欧拉和小鹏，也测试过特斯拉、极星和大众的电动汽车。
就连中国人自己也更喜欢西方品牌，因为它们的质量更高，你还想说什么？
 
@jackychen5578
@Jonipoon  I think no one will agree with you now. If it was ten years ago, I would agree with you. The quality of European brands at 50,000 euros is good enough, while the same Chinese products at 30,000 euros can reach the same quality.
 
 @Jonipoon 我想现在没有人会同意你的观点。如果是十年前，我会同意你的观点。5万欧元的欧洲汽车的质量已经很好了，而同样的中国产品只需3万欧元就能达到同样的质量。
 
@jackychen5578
@Jonipoon  Even Chinese citizens themselves prefer western brands? Yes, for last 20 years. Not now. Huawei's high-end SUV has sold 15,000 units per month for several months, while BMW's X5 is now selling less than 10,000 units per month.
 
 @Jonipoon 连中国人自己都喜欢西方品牌？是的，在过去20年里是这样，但现在不一样了。华为的高端SUV已经连续几个月月销量达到1.5万辆，而宝马的X5现在月销量还不到1万辆。
 
@damianjf6357
@Jonipoon not at all dude
In which universe Chinese preffer wenstern EV over Chinese made ones? Tesla's sales in China are getting slower and slower, other western brands as well while BYD is growing a LOT, it became the biggest EV company in the world lol
 
@Jonipoon 一点也不。 
在哪个宇宙中，中国人更喜欢西方的电动汽车而不是中国制造的电动车？特斯拉在中国的销量越来越低，其他西方品牌也是如此，而比亚迪却在大幅增长，它已成为世界上最大的电动车公司，笑死我了。
 
@tonyrogers5469
Jonipoon is a Korean, that says it all. Faking it as he tested the brands he mentioned. I can say cars from Korean are the worst that none of my Korean friend want one. On the roads in China, I only see 2-3 teslas  out of every 100 cars
 
Jonipoon是个韩国人，这就说明了一切，他假装测试了他提到的品牌。我可以说韩国的汽车是最差的，我的韩国朋友都不想要。在中国的马路上，每100辆汽车中我只看到了2-3辆特斯拉。
 
@user-zh6zv2kk5s
 @jackychen5578  This guy must be a liar, he has definitely not tested Chinese EVs.
1. It is an accepted fact beyond all recognition that Chinese EVs generally have much better interiors than European, American, Japanese and Korean cars. consumers will vote with real money, not with their mouths. Volkswagen's ID series of EVs are less than half the price of their German counterparts in China, and they still sell dismally in China. In other words, consumers think a Chinese car that costs less than half the price of a European car is better.  
这个人一定是个骗子，他绝对没有测试过中国电动汽车。
1. 中国电动汽车的内饰普遍比欧美日韩汽车要好得多，这是一个公认得不能再公认的事实。
2. 消费者会用真金白银而不是用嘴巴投票。大众汽车的ID系列电动汽车在中国的价格只有德国的一半不到，在中国的销量依然很惨淡。也就是说，消费者认为只需要花不到欧洲汽车一半的钱买到的中国汽车更好。
 
@AlhasanBah
This is good. Africans can learn to manufacture this vehicle soon
 
这很好。非洲人很快就能学会制造这种汽车了。
 
@DW-op7ly
China built a high speed railway for Indonesia and gave them the technology to build more lines and trains
They are also sharing the samples they got from the farside of the moon which will have Helium-3 in it. As Helium-3 as a fuel for Fusion reactors can power the world for 10,000 years and will power space ships to explore the solar system and beyond
 
中国为印尼建造了一条高速铁路并向他们提供了建造更多线路和列车的技术。
他们还分享了从月球远端获得的样本，其中将含有氦-3。氦-3作为聚变反应堆的燃料可以为世界提供一万年的电力并为探索太阳系和更远的地方的太空船提供动力。
 
@eskay2012
 @AlhasanBah  - mining has to be controlled. Would you prefer to let the west mine the copper and take them away or African government control the mining?
 
 @AlhasanBah - 采矿必须受到控制。你是愿意让西方国家开采铜矿并把它们运走，还是非洲政府控制开采？
 
@henli-rw5dw
 @eskay2012  Africa should mine and ask China for technology so that Africa can also refine it's own mineral.  This will keep most of the mining profit in Arica, and I think China will do it.
 
 @eskay2012 非洲应该控制采矿并向中国寻求技术，这样非洲也能提炼自己的矿产。这将把大部分采矿利润留在非洲，我认为中国会这么做的。
 
@happymelon7129
No raw material export.
18 May 2024 , Mali's economy minister said earlier this week that the deal could bring Mali $191.5 1 million per year.
Ganfeng Lithium will set up a spodumene plant which will start production by the end of the year.
Mali's share in the Goulamina project  35% , Chinese pay for all tech investments.
'Win-win agreement'
"With this win-win agreement, which defends the vital interests of the Malian people, the State of Mali enters into a new partnership with the Chinese group Ganfeng Lithium Co for the development and operation of the Goulamina lithium project," the statement said.
 
非洲没有出口原材料。
2024年5月18日，马里经济部长本周早些时候表示，这笔交易每年可为马里带来1.915亿美元的收入。
赣锋锂业将在马里建立一家锂矿厂，该厂将于今年年底投产。
马里在古拉米纳项目中占35%的份额，中方会支付所有技术投资。
“双赢协议”。
“这份双赢协议捍卫了马里人民的切身利益，马里政府与中国赣锋锂业集团有限公司就古拉米娜锂矿项目的开发和运营建立了新的合作伙伴关系”，声明说。
 
@ZweiZwolf
 @henli-rw5dw   Mines and the technology cost money, so how would Africa pay for this, given that Africa has no money of their own?  They can be brutally exploited by the West as neo-colonial slaves, or they can keep some profit in a deal with China.  When Africa can front the money to buy the tech, then they can keep ALL of the profit.
 
 @henli-rw5dw 矿山和技术都需要成本，那么非洲如何支付这些费用呢？他们可以作为新殖民主义的奴隶被西方残酷剥削，也可以通过与中国的交易保留一些利润。当非洲能出钱购买技术时，他们就可以保留所有利润。
 
@henli-rw5dw
 @ZweiZwolf  The same way China does it with Indonesia.  Have the Chinese company come in and partner with a local company.  Chinese company will obvious get plenty of profit, but by being partner with locals, they gain expertise and can eventually run their own factory.  There is plenty of incentive for China to do so, as Africa will be buying Chinese goods anyways with their profits.
 
 @ZweiZwolf 中国对印尼也是这么做的。让中国公司进来，与当地公司合作。中国公司显然会获得大量利润，但当地人通过与中国公司合作，他们获得了专业知识，最终可以经营自己的工厂。中国有足够的动力这样做，因为无论如何非洲都会用他们赚到的利润购买中国商品。
 
@ZweiZwolf
@henli-rw5dw  Sure, that model works, and it's basically what China is doing in Africa, Indonesia, and throughout the Global South.  In those partnerships, China is bringing technology, expertise, training, management, and investment, so China naturally gets most of the profit because China carried virtually all of the cost and risk.  The locals gain employment and experience that is ultimately transferrable, in the same role China was in decades ago.  
However, you suggested that the locals get most of the profit, and that won't happen until they can invest with their own money to pay the upfront costs and shoulder the risk of failure.
 
@henli-rw5dw 当然，这种模式行得通，而且基本上就是中国在非洲、印尼和整个全球南方所做的事情。在这些合作中，中国带来了技术、专业知识、培训、管理和投资，因此中国自然获得了大部分利润，因为中国承担了几乎所有的成本和风险。当地人获得了就业和经验，而这些经验最终是可以转移的，这与几十年前中国所扮演的角色是一样的。
然而，你建议让当地人获得大部分利润，而这只有在他们能用自己的钱进行投资，支付前期成本并承担失败风险时才能实现。
 
@tooltalk
@happymelon7129 Are you kidding me? Ganfeng in Mali is just mining -- there is absolutely no high-value downstream refining/manufacturing involved in Mali.  Do you even know what spodumenes are or how they are processed or how much energy required to refine them?   China is not in Mali to develop the country -- Gangfeng is in Mali for the purpose of exploiting Mali's mineral resources and exporting them back to China.
 
@happymelon7129 你在开玩笑吗？马里的赣锋锂业只是采矿--马里绝对没有高价值的下游提炼/制造。你甚至不知道spodumenes是什么，如何加工，提炼需要多少能源？中国在马里不是为了发展这个国家--赣锋锂业在马里的目的是开采马里的矿产资源并出口回中国。
 
@Michael-Ray
Imagine Africa overtaking the US in EV adoption due to no tariffs.
 
想象一下，由于没有关税，非洲的电动汽车采用率将超过美国。
 
@larryevans6739
Solar energy as well. In the US, our solar subsidies are higher than the unsubsidized price of panels in China, and we still pay three times as much after subsidies. The cost of protectionism is more than the benefit. We could see some communities in Africa leapfrog on renewable energy and EV's.
 
太阳能也是。在美国，我们的补贴后的太阳能电池板比中国无补贴的太阳能电池板价格还高，补贴后我们仍需支付三倍的价格。保护主义的成本大于收益。我们可以看到非洲的一些社区在可再生能源和电动汽车方面实现跨越式的发展。
 
@catinbootsnow4267
In Australia, Chinese electric vehicles are selling like hot cakes.
 
在澳大利亚，中国电动汽车销售很火爆。
 
@huhwhatjason
I just love that CNA can't resist mentioning "subsidies" and the reporter asking leading questions like "how will Africa absorb the spare capacity?!!" Too afraid to just say "overcapacity"? We know whose narrative you're pushing, CNA.
 
我就喜欢CNA忍不住提“补贴”以及记者问的“非洲如何消化剩余产能？”之类的引导性问题。他们不敢直接说“产能过剩”吗？CNA，我们知道你们在推崇谁的说法。
 
@eskay2012
 @huhwhatjason  of course, CNA’s report is similar to BBC and obviously slanted and not any milder. CNA even have a segment specially in ‘East Asia’ and we know which country they hit on nightly.
 
 @huhwhatjason 当然，CNA的报道与BBC类似，明显有失偏颇，而且并不温和。CNA甚至有专门的“东亚”板块，我们知道他们每晚都在报道哪个国家。
 
@Trueye-sl2mr
I just bought a BYD Atto 3.  It is a good, high quality car and handle very well
 
我刚买了一辆比亚迪Atto 3。这是一款高质量，操控性非常好的汽车。
 
@tooltalk
Tanzania's electrification rate is only 40%.  It's already difficult to build out EV charging infrastructure and enough power in regions with 100% electrific rate.  This isn't necessarily helping.
 
坦桑尼亚的电气化率仅为40%。在电气化率达到100%的地区，建设电动汽车充电基础设施和足够的电力就已经非常困难了，所以这不一定有帮助。
 
@stellaandeddieluechin1087
WHEN YOU ARE GOOD AND A DOOR IS SHUT ANOTHER OPENS. THE WEST CANNOT CONTAIN A RISING TIDE " China".
 
当你表现良好时，一扇门关闭了，另一扇门就会打开。西方无法遏制“中国”的崛起。
 
@Macky1101
Why are western countries debating the merits of African countries opening their markets to Chinese manufacturers?  Why are they debating about other countries that are not theirs?
 
为什么西方国家要争论非洲国家向中国制造商开放市场的好处？他们为什么要讨论其他不属于他们的国家的事情？
 
@cainiaowu
They are jealous
 
因为它们嫉妒了。
 
@NoFrillz-G
Africa and most of the world needs options. The Anglo led war mongers don’t want you to have options. You have to deal with them with their rules based order. Where was this rules based order in Iraq, Libya and Syria.
 
非洲和世界上大多数国家都需要选择，以盎格鲁为首的战争贩子不想让你们有选择。你们必须用他们的基于规则的秩序来对付他们。在伊拉克、利比亚和叙利亚，这种基于规则的秩序在哪里？
 
@godzillamothra5983
this is why Africa is going to be the most dynamic continent in the future, as long as they can be aware not to fall into western divide and conquer and debt traps.
 
这就是为什么非洲会成为未来最有活力的大陆的原因，只要他们能意识到不陷入西方的分化、征服和债务陷阱。
 
@Liboch
Not only in Africa. In Singapore the EV market share is dominated by Chinese EVs.
 
不仅在非洲。在新加坡，电动车市场份额也被中国电动车所占据。
 
@thecomment9489
Singapore already has very high almost prohibitive tariffs on ICE cars. May be they can lower some for EV cars.
 
新加坡对内燃机汽车征收的关税已经非常高，几乎令人望而却步。也许他们可以为电动汽车降低一些关税。
 
@Kingofthehill84
Evs has so many problems like battery pack caught itself on fire while in park, battery pack draining while in park especially in cold weather, chargers freezing up during subzero temperatures, slow charging especially when using multiple chargers at the same time unlike pumps gas stations, range anxiety, high cost of battery pack replacement, etc.
Evs is not the future for a varieties reasons that's why Elon is beginning to transition from evs to hydrogen cars in coming years from now.
 
电动汽车存在很多问题，如电池组在停车时起火、电池组在停车时耗尽（尤其是在寒冷天气）、充电器在零下温度时冻结、充电缓慢（尤其是多辆汽车同时使用充电桩时）、续航焦虑、电池组更换费用高昂等。
由于种种原因，电动汽车不是未来的趋势，这也是埃隆在未来几年开始从电动汽车向氢能汽车过渡的原因。
 
@joey3291
 @Kingofthehill84  Your impression of EVs lighting up themselves mainly came from the older generation batteries, the new LFP batteries used by Chinese EVs no longer do that. You can even penetrate the battery and it will not light up.
 
 @Kingofthehill84 你对电动车自燃的印象主要来自于老一代电池，中国电动车使用的新型磷酸铁锂电池已经不会自燃了。你甚至可以刺穿电池，它也不会自燃。
 
@victorchen9170
 @Kingofthehill84  People still going on about EVs in the cold, meanwhile we have plenty in Canada, and you can look at the Scandinavian countries too.
 
 @Kingofthehill84 有人还在谈论寒冷地区的电动车，与此同时，我们在加拿大有很多电动车，你也可以看看斯堪的纳维亚国家的情况。
 
@AlphaCookies
​ @Kingofthehill84 ive seen alot of ICE vehicles caught on fire too.. as long as EV is better for the environment I'm in.. my city getting less smoke since more EV are around
@Kingofthehill84 我也见过很多内燃机汽车着火。电动汽车对我所处的环境更好...我的城市会因为电动汽车的增多而减少污染。
 
@Kingofthehill84
 @AlphaCookies  
ICE does not caught itself on fire while in park unlike the Evs. The Evs not only caught itself on fire while you're driving and parking its also can caught itself on fire even in submerge water literally you should have seen evs burning in the lakes  
Can you imagine having 500,000,000 Evs on the roads worldwide in next 50 years from now and 10% of its are caught itself on fire??  
 
内燃机汽车不会像电动汽车那样在停车时起火，电动汽车不仅会在驾驶和停车时起火，甚至在水中也会起火。
你能想象在未来50年内，全球道路上行驶着 500,000,000 辆电动汽车，而其中有10%会自燃吗？