出生率下降将如何影响全球经济？| 英国有网民一阵见血，只是你们白人生育率下降才感觉是帝国的衰落

@DonTNguyen
They keep telling everyone to have kids but everything in our modern world right now works against having a family.

他们总是劝大家生孩子，但当今现代社会的一切似乎都在与组建家庭这事唱反调。

@tibsyy895
Exactly!

确实

@aa-fw2pw
100% well said!

说得太对了！

@America-The-Great
Ha!!!!!!❤❤❤❤

哈

@theant9821
I don't think money is the real reason. Generally the poorer countries have the highest fertility rates, and years ago when our great grandparents were poorer they had high fertility. 
I think changing attitudes towards relationships, marriage, and sex is responsible, made worse by the fall of religion which usually encourages marriage having kids and discourage birth control etc.

我不认为金钱是真正的原因。通常越是贫穷的国家生育率越高，而且多年前我们的祖父母辈更贫穷时，生育率也很高。
我认为真正原因在于人们对恋爱、婚姻和性态度的转变，而宗教的式微加剧了这种变化——宗教通常会鼓励结婚生子，反对避孕节育等措施。

@danielsinkinson4602
Absolute nonsense. We were having kids while living in caves fighting off cave lions and bears in pre-ice age Europe. Give yourself a shake, grow up, and take responsibility for your place in the world.

一派胡言！早在冰河时期之前的欧洲，我们的祖先住在洞穴里，既要与洞狮、棕熊搏斗，又要生养后代。清醒一点，成熟起来，为你在这世上的位置负起责任来！​​

@stretfordender11
Plus encouraging women to focus on careers and independence

此外，鼓励女性专注于职业发展和独立

@DonTNguyen
 @danielsinkinson4602  yeah well if caves works for you go for it.

好吧，要是洞穴适合你，那就去住吧。

@phoque121
In Sub Saharan Africa, the fertility rate is above 4 children per woman (6.1 in Niger). Just replace people everywhere with migrants from Africa, what could go wrong? ‍♂

在撒哈拉以南非洲地区，生育率超过每位女性 4 个孩子（尼日尔为 6.1 个）。如果把各地的人口都换成来自非洲的移民，那么问题迎刃而解。

@vdimension6300
​ @DonTNguyen your argument is pretty flawed. You make it sound like 500 years ago it was a better time to have kids when 99% of the population lived in abject poverty . 
If you live in a developed country, there has never been a better and safer time to have kids. But people want to go out for drinks, go to concerts, go on holidays, buy a bigger car. So no wonder no one wants to have kids

你的论点漏洞百出。你搞得好像500年前生孩子更好似的，可那时候99%的人都活在极度贫困中 。
如果你生活在发达国家，现在就是有史以来更安全、更适合生孩子的时代。但人们只想喝酒聚会、听演唱会、度假旅游、换更大的车——难怪没人愿意生孩子了。

@DonTNguyen
​@vdimension6300 no people had kids because they had to have kids. Having kids and caring for kids are 2 different things. Many people had kids and many didnt give them the best care.

没有人是因为必须生孩子才生孩子的。生孩子和照顾孩子是两码事。很多人虽然生了孩子，却没有给予他们最好的照顾。

@wamnicho
 @theant9821  I don’t know why you left out feminism

我不知道你为什么忽略了女权主义。

@marymactavish
And if the meantime there are lots of families all over the world who would love a safer place to live. Why not just give them the place to live and then there will be children able to pay the taxes and do the work that needs to be done in 20 years?

与此同时，世界上有许多家庭都渴望一个更安全的居住环境。为什么不给予他们这样的安身之处呢？这样的话，20 年后就会有足够的人来纳税，并从事那些需要有人做的工作。

@Jaaj2009
 @theant9821  So what you are saying is that people have become more responsible and don't want to struggle themselves and don't want to have kids that they can't afford to feed, nature enough.  Its undisputable that cost of living relative to earnings (especially housing) is far worse than it was 50 years ago.  Women are not focusing on work because they want to be more independent, it's because its become a necessity to have a reasonable standard of living.

所以你想说的是，人们变得更有责任感了，不愿自己陷入生存挣扎，也不愿生下无力抚养的孩子，这无可厚非。无可争议的是，相对于收入而言，生活成本（尤其是住房成本）比 50 年前要高得多。女性专注于工作并非因为她们想更独立，而是因为要维持体面的生活水平，这已成为迫于现实的必然选择。

@hmq9052
Actually, apart from a small, anomalous period from about 1985 to 2000, this would be the best time to have kids in the last 200,000 years.

事实上，​除了1985-2000年这段特殊时期外，当下可能是过去20万年间最适合生育孩子的时代。

@peacetaro8007
Having a baby is a luxury in developed countries. The cost prohibits young couple struggling with rent and other living costs. People gave up on owning a house. Now giving up on having babies.

​在发达国家，生育已成奢侈品。​​高昂的成本迫使挣扎于房租与生活压力的年轻夫妇望而却步——人们早已放弃买房，如今连生育也要放弃。

@tibsyy895
Let's make properties even more expensive! It definitely will help to make families!

让房产变得更贵吧！这绝对有助于家庭的组建！

@thexfile.
It's getting too expensive to have kids.

生孩子的成本越来越来高了

@MrSatnavatron
full of plastics mate

到处都是塑料啊，老兄。

@AdesteFidelis
I can barely afford my own needs, if I want to raise a family I'll play The Sims.

我连自己的基本需求都勉强维持，若真想养家糊口，还不如去《模拟人生》里过把瘾。

@konigstiger3252
It's insanely expansive to have children

生孩子的费用高得离谱。

@wildandbarefoot
And it costs a lot too.

而且这也花费不菲。

@warwickscram1656
I make about £30k a year and have five children, their mother stays at home to look after them. We get by fine, just don't take foreign holidays or buy dumb stuff like new cars.

我年收入约3万英镑，养育五个孩子，孩子的母亲全职在家照料他们。我们过得挺好，只是不搞出国度假、也不买新车这类不实用的东西。​

@konigstiger3252
​@warwickscram1656 ok but we want to live our life... me and my partner takes 1 vacation and buy some stuff we like and save for retirement. Then we have like no room for children. We should not have to give up our life to afford children.

好吧，可我们想好好过自己的生活啊...我和伴侣一年就度一次假，买点喜欢的东西，再存点退休金。这样下来，哪还有余力养孩子？凭什么要我们放弃整个人生，才能勉强负担得起孩子？

@Patrick-y4d1z
 @warwickscram1656  
You're probably living a very poor quality life, in a very cheap area. 
Rent alone for a 1 bedroom flat here is about £1000 a month. At £30k per year, you've got about £1900 per month. Somehow you'll need to pay £1000+ for mortgage / rent. Council tax is another £170. Internet for another £20. Water and Sewage another £40 a month. Gas/Electric is about £160 a month. 
So that leaves you with £500 to feed 5 people, save money for emergency fund, transportation, clothes, mobile phones, the list goes on. Throw in a car for some. 
£30K isn't enough. And 5 children is far too much.

你们的生活质量恐怕很低吧，住的也是廉价区域。单是这里的一居室公寓，月租就要1000英镑。年入3万英镑，每月到手约1900英镑。但你们得付1000多英镑的房贷/房租，市政税再扣170英镑，网费20英镑，水费排污费40英镑，燃气电费月均160英镑。最后只剩500英镑养活五口人——要吃饭、存应急金、付交通费、买衣服、缴话费…开销永无止境。若再养辆车，更是雪上加霜。3万英镑根本不够！养五个孩子实在离谱。

@nieko3038
I thought the world was overpopulated.

我觉得世界人口已经过剩了。

@moloids
Still is, but the billionaires will need more serfs.

情况依然如此，但亿万富翁们还需要更多的农奴。

@xtopia9758
It's about quality, not quantity.

重要的是质量，而不是数量。

@101yayo
Someone has to work so the baby boomers can have a decent retirement.

总得有人工作把，这样婴儿潮一代才能安享体面的退休生活。

@nieko3038
 @101yayo Oh get a grip. Youngest generation now suffers from stress having lunchbreak and can’t cope with  people. Future is golden. Keep crying about boomers.
Late gen x here.

得了吧，清醒一点。现在的年轻一代连午休都觉得有压力，压根无法与人正常交流。未来一片光明呢。那就继续哭诉婴儿潮一代的‘罪过’呗。
来自一名晚期X世代的吐槽。

@hangmanhands5826
That was never rlly true and was a lot of panic about non white people having lots of kids in places like India we can support plenty more ppl especially countries like the US with massive amounts of resources land and food

​这种担忧从未真正成立——所谓“非白人群体在印度等地大量生育会引发危机”的恐慌纯属多虑。以印度为例，我们完全能供养更多人口，而像美国这样拥有极其丰富的资源、土地和粮食的国家，更无须担忧。

@classic_cars_on_uk_roads
AI doesn't need more kids...

有了人工智能后就不需要更多的孩子……

@wamnicho
AI can’t replace consumer demand

人工智能无法取代消费需求。

@scarlettuwu9582
@wamnicho
“AI can’t replace consumer demand” 
Don’t be absolutely certain of this, 
Let’s say someone creates an AI factory manager to produce tires for vehicles, that Ai manager of the tire factory will still need to source raw rubber , steel and textiles from the other Ai  producers who are harvesting/ mining those materials… 
So here we have an example of basic supply & demand which would further expand itself out into the marketplace. 
Another good example would be a recycling/ trash sorting AI as a producer of raw materials

“人工智能无法取代消费需求”
对此不要绝对肯定，
假设有人创造了一个人工智能工厂经理来为车辆生产轮胎，这个轮胎工厂的人工智能经理仍然需要从其他人工智能生产商那里采购天然橡胶、钢材和纺织品，而这些生产商负责开采或获取这些材料……
所以在这里，我们看到了一个基本的供需例子，这种供需关系会进一步扩展到市场中。
​另一个典型案例是：回收/垃圾分类AI作为原材料生产者，将废弃塑料分拣转化为再生颗粒，供应给下游制造企业。

@wamnicho
 @scarlettuwu9582  I can’t wait for AI to buy a ticket to go watch a basketball game, or for AI to go to a dentist or for AI to go to university

我等不及要看人工智能买张票去看篮球赛，或者看人工智能去看牙医，再或者看人工智能去上大学了。

@hermitwei5074
Humanity is insatiable, our earth with limited resources already have too much population! People compete for limited jobs, country fight for limited land.

人类的欲望是永无止境的，我们这个资源有限的地球已经承载了过多的人口！人们为了有限的工作岗位而竞争，国家为了有限的土地而争斗。

@Mp-kx2fl
Those numbers are far too high, we can do better. Lets end this hellscape.

这些数字已经太高了，我们可以做得更好。让我们结束这种地狱般的景象吧。

@athek7081
What rubbish. You need to ask single people about falling birth rates. Also, there's no longer trust in relationships. Fairness in family law is atrocious.

真是一派胡言。你应该去问问单身人士关于出生率下降的问题。而且，人们在恋爱关系中不再有信任了。家庭法中的公平性糟糕透顶。

@twittymilk631
Isn’t 8 billion enough for the next 50 years?!

80 亿人对于未来 50 年来说还不够吗？！

@fearmetoo-le8dw
the number doesn't matter its about the shape of the population pyramid / ratio of working to retired people. as the population grow older you need to tax the young/working population more, increasing financial burden, causing them to have even less kids. a negative feedback loop.

关键不在于绝对数字，在于人口金字塔的结构以及劳动人口与退休人口的比例。随着人口老龄化，就需要向年轻人 / 劳动人口征收更多税收，这会加重他们的经济负担，生育意愿进一步降低，形成一个恶性循环。

@gotsumana
8 billion is too many but some people just won't be satisfied until they're caught in a human crush

80亿人口已太多，可有些人非得等到挤得动弹不得才甘心

@vampyrkiller
It's not about numbers it's about equality

这无关数量，而是关乎平等。

@bojiang66
The human society basically competes way more than cooperate, so why bother!

人类社会本质上竞争远多于合作，那又何必费心（合作）呢！

@perer005
Unless something very unexpected happens the introduction of AI and robots will make the birth rates a non-issue soon.

​除非发生重大意外，否则人工智能与机器人的引入，将很快使生育率问题变得无关紧要。

@wamnicho
AI and robots also need a highly educated workforce of scientists, mathematicians and engineers to make those robots. AI and robots also can’t replace consumer demand. A company may replace all its workers with AI but who will they sell their products and services to if no one has money

​人工智能与机器人产业本身也需要大量高素质的科学家、数学家和工程师来研发制造。更重要的是，AI和机器人无法替代人类的消费需求。一家公司或许能用AI取代所有员工，但当人们都没钱消费时，它生产的产品和服务又该卖给谁？（译者注：看到这位条评论，点个赞）

@klitzeklein3437
Nowadays there are fewer good reasons to have children than bad reasons not to have them.

当今时代，生育孩子的正当理由越来越少，而不生育的负面因素却愈发凸显。

@畜生1995
The farmer is unaware that the constant abuse of his farm animals render them insterile. Reduce cost of living and working hours. Any animal will stop breeding if environment is hostile towards them.

农夫没有意识到，他对农场动物的持续虐待导致了它们的不育。所以（资本家家）请降低生活成本和工作时长吧。任何动物，如果所处的环境极度恶劣，都会停止繁殖。

@PkTwothousand
Could it also be that people just don’t want to have kids anymore??

会不会还有一种可能，就是人们只是单纯不想要孩子了呢？

@wattbenj
The only time governments and the media ever seem to care is when it affects the economy.

政府和媒体似乎只有在事情影响到经济时才会关心。

@landläufigeprivatmeinung
I see no problem. In 19th century we survived with only 1 bn humans. Why become more?

我觉得没什么问题。19 世纪时，我们只有 10 亿人口也活下来了。为什么要增加人口呢？

@TJMAXShow
Good maybe cost of living will go down

太好了，或许生活成本会下降。

@publicinrage
TAX THE BILLIONAIRES .

向亿万富翁征税

@Gunter-k2n
Complain about low birth rates but also don’t help improve the standard of living for regular working people. What a joke.

一边抱怨出生率低，一边又不帮助普通劳动者提高生活水平。真是个笑话。

@johncoulson2041
Great news since overpopulation is the biggest cause of global warming
THey are still having huge families in places that can least afford to feed and clothe them
Particularly sub-saharan Africa and India(which just happen to be some of the worst  affected by global warming
Hence today's massive immigration, This effecively a baby boom(or adult boom ) in the target countries, which will result in a future demographic imbalance such as we have now. It is also leading to housing crises.
THIS IS NOT FIXABLE BY FINANCIAL MEANS!

​这真是“好消息”啊——既然人口过剩是全球变暖的最大元凶，可偏偏在最无力抚养的地方（尤其是撒哈拉以南非洲和印度），人们仍在组建庞大家庭。讽刺的是，这些地区恰是全球变暖的重灾区！​​
​由此催生了当今大规模的移民潮。这对目标移民国家而言，实则是场“婴儿潮”（或更准确说是“成人潮”），未来必将引发类似今日的人口结构失衡，同时加剧住房危机。​​
此局，绝非金融手段可解！​

@jn2bbs
20 minutes of describing the problem without mentioning a single solution to it

花了 20 分钟描述问题，却一个解决方案都没提

@samdonohoe9796
Islam

伊斯兰教

@Milk-nj4mg
the world is a lot more complicated the problem-solution.

现实世界远比“问题-解决方案”的简单逻辑复杂得多

@Patrick-y4d1z
The solution is to support young workers instead of the elderly. Our government tried to cut the winter fuel allowance for rich pensioners, and the public bit their head off. 
We need to take funds away from giving the elderly everything they could dream of, and give it to the working population to support them having children. 
-Maternity leave should be extended. 
-Paternity leave needs to be significantly increased.
-Nursery should be fully funded. 
-Free school meals for all children. 
-Breakfast and afterschool clubs to support parents. 
-Increase the child benefits cap to 3 children. 
-Increase the child benefits to be inline with inflation from 2008. 
There are so many things they could do, but they are 100% due to the government not supporting the working population.

解决方案在于扶持年轻劳动者而非老年人。我们的政府曾试图削减富裕养老金领取者的冬季燃料补贴，结果遭到了公众的强烈反对。
​我们需要将资源从“满足老年人所有梦想”转向支持劳动人口生育。
延长带薪产假。
陪产假需要大幅增加。
​全额资助托育服务。
为所有儿童提供免费校餐。
设立早餐与课后看护班支持家长。
提高儿童福利金上限至覆盖三个孩子。
从 2008 年起，将儿童福利提高到与通货膨胀率相符的水平。
可行措施如此之多，政府却毫无作为——这完全源于其对劳动人口支持的缺失！

@mrfalleo
Sort out, financial inequality and the housing crisis then maybe I would consider a child. But until then I have to work extra hours to maintain my existence.

先解决好经济不平等和住房危机吧，那样的话我或许会考虑生个孩子。但在这之前，我只能靠拼命加班来维持生计

@Speed-birds
People want to be people.  Having children is obligatory.  Everyone wants to be young and have their whole life in front of them.

人渴望活出自我，但生育常被视为义务。谁不向往年轻时光，向往人生充满无限可能的前路？

@CyborgZeta
I was thinking about this issue a few days ago. I suspect our economies were built up post-WWII under the assumption that populations would keep growing. Now that birth rates are declining, governments are concerned. 
Either we're going to get more automation and AI to make up for less workers, or society as a whole will need to restructure itself to accommodate for smaller populations.

​数日前我就在思考这个问题：二战后建立的经济体系，本质是基于“人口持续增长”的预设。如今出生率持续走低，各国政府难免忧心忡忡。​​
未来无非两条路——要么通过自动化与AI填补劳动力缺口；要么整个社会彻底重构，以适应人口萎缩的新常态。

@bijup2982
Overpopulation is a problem, especially in India

人口过剩是个问题，尤其是在印度。

@ks33-1
It's clearly because we young people can't afford kids anymore. The prices of housing all across the world have gone up while there has been nothing done to support job growth. Just endless wars and nonsense politics of bickering with each other. People can't afford to feed themselves, how can they afford kids? A co-worker of mine leaves her eight year old alone at home and constantly tracks his location, and keeps checking the camera at work because she can't afford to put her son in daycare. The cost to put him in daycare over the summer? $800 a month! A month. The future looks grim

原因再清楚不过——我们年轻人根本养不起孩子！​​全球房价疯涨，就业机会却停滞不前。政客们沉溺于无休止的战争和毫无意义的政治争吵，没人真正推动就业增长。普通人连养活自己都艰难，哪有余力养育下一代？​​我的一位同事被迫让8岁儿子独自在家，她上班时只能不停查看定位和监控——因为根本付不起托管费。暑假托管的费用？整整800美元一个月！未来？简直一片灰暗。

@Kalev-f6z
"Children of Men" come to life...

《人类之子》中的场景正在成为现实……

@KarlWomack
More like Demon Seed.

更像是《魔种》。

@phoque121
More like Idiocracy

更像是《蠢蛋进化论》。

@DaimonAnimations
As long as A.I. continue to take jobs away a lot less people will not want to have kids when your job can be taken away. So if corpos prefer A.I. over people then this is going to continue and people won't be able to afford anything.

​只要人工智能持续取代工作岗位，越来越多人就不会愿意生育——当你的工作随时可能不保，谁还敢要孩子？如果企业始终偏爱AI而非人类员工，这种趋势必将延续，最终让人们连基本生活都负担不起。

@chrisvielle6629
Humans need to go. Our species sucks.

人类需要消失。我们这个物种太糟糕了

@robertwhiteley-yv1sy
Can’t get a more genocidal statement than that.

这简直就是最赤裸裸的种族灭绝言论

@vlarion2023
I'll correct that statement, MOST of the humans need to go.

我来纠正一下这个说法：绝大多数人类都必须消失。​

@crikeybaguette4564
Careful not to cut yourself on that edge

小心别被那尖锐的东西划伤了

@seanross9175
Go on then.

那你就继续吧。

@attulgandotra7864
Wealth has gotten too consolidated with the wealthy...

财富过于集中在富人手中。

@SAJAN78481
What about Maximum carrying capacity. The climate change is directly lixed with over population.

那人口承载能力上限该如何看待呢？气候变化与人口过剩直接相关。

@gokulkrishna32123
But Muslims are raising
Sheria for the UK is coming soon

但穆斯林群体的数量正在上升
伊斯兰教法（Sharia）降临英国的日子已近在眼前。​


@X_Otman
Can't wait

等不及了

@gokulkrishna32123
We know that , while minority u scream democracy , when majority it become sheria autocracy ​ @X_Otman 

​众所周知：当你们是少数派时高呼民主；一旦成为多数派，便推行伊斯兰教法专制。​

@HanifaZazai-ml8fg
God willing

如上帝所愿

@graphdatascientist
The most common surname in the UK is Mohammud

现在英国最常见的姓氏是穆罕默德。

@HanifaZazai-ml8fg
It’s a beautiful name ❤

这是一个美丽的名字。

@dylann6800
So?

所以呢？

@BlackSpice101
If unaffordability was the primary reason young people in wealthy countries were choosing not to have children, then one would expect young people in the poorest countries, where everything is even more unaffordable, to have an even worst outlook on having children, with even lower birth and fertility rates than wealthy countries. 
Instead, the opposite is true. 
The truth, therefore, is that more and more young people in wealthy countries are refusing to have children because they simply don't want to have children. And this is so despite what they say in surveys. 
Just accept the fact that a tectonic shift in cultural attitudes towards having children has occurred in the West over the last few generations. 
Having children is now increasingly viewed as a financial liability and a severe hindrance against achieving one's personal individual goals (higher education, career, hanging out with friends, being on social media, travel, hobbies, etc.)
Young people in wealthy countries simply don't want the responsibility anymore that comes with marriage and raising a family.
In fact, even in Scandinavian countries where all the conveniences of modern life are available and social benefits and perks for having children are very generous, the fertility rate has been marooned below 2.0 for many decades. 
The truth is clear to see despite what people say in surveys.
如果经济负担真是富裕国家年轻人拒绝生育的主因，那么按照逻辑，在最贫困的国家，一切都更难以负担——年轻人对生育的态度理应更悲观，生育率也应远低于富裕国家。​​
然而事实恰恰相反。​​
真相其实是：越来越多富裕国家的年轻人不生孩子，纯粹是因为他们根本不想生——无论他们在调查中如何表述，事实也确实如此。​​
我们必须承认，西方世界在过去几代人之间，对生育的文化态度发生了结构性巨变。​​
如今，生育越来越被视为一种经济负担，是对实现个人目标（高等教育、职业发展、朋友聚会、社交媒体、旅行、爱好等）的严重阻碍。​​
富裕国家的年轻人，就是不愿再承担婚姻与养育家庭的责任了。​​
事实上，即使在现代化设施齐全、生育福利极其优厚的北欧国家（如瑞典带薪产假480天、挪威每月补贴8000元），生育率也已持续数十年低迷在2.0以下。​​
无论人们在调查中如何解释，真相已昭然若揭。​

@gabriellef3351
Id add that less wealthy countries hace a correlation of less access to birth control/family planning. This might explain why they have larger families

我还想补充一点：在较不富裕的国家，避孕措施与家庭规划服务的获取难度往往更高。这或许正是这些地区家庭规模普遍更大的关键原因。

@theduke6174
Anti-immigration and LOW fertility?
Children of men 2006

反移民与低生育率？
《人类之子》（2006 年）

@theant9821
Money isn't the issue, its opinion, instead of wanting 4 or 6 kids maximum usually 2 is now the maximum. And 2 is not enough. 
Our attitudes towards relationships, sex, family etc. Have drastically altered. 
Kids aren't taught to aspire to have a family, they're taught to feed the economy with qualifications. Family doesn't get a mention anymore.

钱不是问题，观念才是。以前人们最多想要 4 个或 6 个孩子，而现在最多想要 2 个，可 2 个是不够的。
我们对恋爱、性、家庭等的态度已经发生了巨大转变。
孩子们没有被教导要立志组建家庭，而是被教导要通过获得学历来为经济做贡献。家庭这个话题再也无人提及了。

@barnabycauwood3983
Money is a huge part of the issue. Its become impossible the sustain a family now.
And it is also what you said, the attitudes have changed.

钱在这个问题中占很大一部分原因。现在要维持一个家庭已经变得不可能了。
而且正如你所说，人们的观念也已经改变了。

@noinfo326
It's about the money because both parents have to work to pay the mortgage and at least 1 family car.

这与钱有关，因为父母双方都必须工作才能支付房贷和至少一辆家用汽车的费用。

@scarlettuwu9582
You can’t have exponential population growth on a finite planet with finite resources. 
It’s obviously better from an individual perspective to not have children when you’re already struggling yourself to pay your basic expenses, 
While even if you’re ahead a bit it also makes sense to not have kids since this grants you more disposable income and less responsibility for taking care of an entire other human being (which is extremely expensive in our current economic systems) add onto that entire years of legal dedication which are required, children don’t really “leave the nest” until 18 to 24 years of age…. 
Add onto this the unpredictability of our current world with safety, violence in the U.S. being 1 prime example … but there’s also things like natural disasters, climate change, economic instability 
There’s a lot of downsides obviously. 
You have to very honestly be in a financial position of abundance to even responsibly consider having children. 
While also having a supportive stable household in a good relationship with a capable partner.

在资源有限的星球上，人口不可能无限增长。
从个人角度来看，当你连自己的基本开销都难以负担时，不生孩子显然是更合适的选择。
即便你的经济状况稍好一些，不生孩子也是有道理的，因为这能让你拥有更多可支配收入，同时也无需承担养育一个完整生命的重担 —— 在我们当前的经济体系中，养孩子的成本极高。此外，抚养孩子还需要投入多年的时间和精力，孩子们通常要到 18 至 24 岁才会 “离巢”……
再加上当前世界存在诸多不确定性，比如安全问题，美国频发的暴力事件就是一个典型例子…… 此外还有自然灾害、气候变化、经济不稳定等因素。
显然，生孩子有很多弊端。
只有当你真正处于经济宽裕的状态，才有可能负责任地考虑生孩子这件事。
同时，你还需要一个相互支持、稳定的家庭，与一个有能力的伴侣维持良好的关系。

@chrisperry6666
Pretty sure every major global issue comes down to just having too many people. So glad to hear this

我很确定，每一个重大的全球性问题都可以归结为人口太多。听到这一点我很高兴。

@grahamashe9715
For decades Malthusian governments, Malthusian policymakers and the Malthusian scientists who advise them have ensured that birthrates FALL. This shouldn't be surprising at all. In fact, their Malthusian laws and policies are still intact because globally the overall birthrate is still increasing. Pray they don't try too hard to increase the death rate as well!

数十年来，奉行马尔萨斯主义的政府、政策制定者及其顾问科学家们，始终致力于确保生育率持续下降。这一点儿也不令人意外！事实上，他们的马尔萨斯式法律与政策至今仍在生效——因为全球整体生育率仍在攀升。但愿这些人别“加倍努力”把死亡率也提上去！​（译者注：马尔萨斯主义认为人口增长有超过食物供应增长的趋势，主张通过限制人口增长来避免社会危机，此处翻译保留了相关术语的特定含义）

@Jaaj2009
People who say its nothing to do with money are so massively misguided.  We have gone from a time where a couple could have two kids and a house on one income, to a situation where a couple with a dual-income can't even afford a house.  This has happened within a space of only 45 years or so.  Work just doesn't pay enough relative to living costs and government subsidy is not going to fix the issue.  This is NOT a commentary on how easy it was for the last generation, I'm sure it was hard for many of them too but you can't account for all of this with just changing attitudes.  There are certain financial realities that have to be faced.

那些说这与钱无关的人真是大错特错。我们曾经处于这样一个时代：一对夫妇仅凭一人的收入就能养育两个孩子并购置一套房子；而如今，双职工家庭甚至都买不起一套房子。这种变化大约在短短 45 年左右的时间里就发生了。相对于生活成本而言，工作收入实在太低，而政府补贴也无法解决这个问题。这并不是说上一代人的生活有多轻松 —— 我相信他们中的许多人日子也过得不易，但你不能仅仅用观念的转变来解释这一切。某些经济现实是我们不得不面对的。

@uenglishfaisal
Why worrying? U can fill the workforce gap with robots

为什么要担心呢？你可以用机器人填补劳动力缺口。

@richardloach610
As a father of 4 who is constantly told he is crazy for having had that many children, my response to some of this reporting is "nonsense!" People come up with excuses time and time again for not having children when they are in their prime 25-35 year child bearing age. The biggest is that people are not financially ready. But the truth deep down is that people these days are too damn self-centered and materialistic to contemplate giving up these comforts and self-obsession to have more than 1 or 2 kids, or even any. The wealthier people become the less kids they have, it's simple selfishness. It's not surprising though, it's a vicious circle, people have 1 or 2 kids and those kids are brought up to be that way. The very thought of essentially sacrificing your own selfish desires and obsessions to have less things and take after a large family just becomes an insane thing in these people's minds

作为一个有 4 个孩子、还总被人说生这么多孩子是疯了的父亲，我对这类报道的回应是 “一派胡言！”。人们在 25 到 35 岁这个生育黄金年龄段，会找各种借口逃避生育。最大的借口就是经济上没准备好。但真相是，如今的人们太以自我为中心、太物质了，不愿为了生一个以上、两个以上甚至哪怕一个孩子，而放弃现有的舒适生活和自我沉迷。人越富有，孩子就越少，原因很简单，就是自私。不过这也不足为奇，这是一个恶性循环：人们生一两个孩子，这些孩子在这样的环境中长大，也变得如此。在这些人看来，为了养育一个大家庭而牺牲自己的私欲、减少物质拥有、多花心思照顾家人，这种想法简直是疯了。

@CTRLALTDIG
After the wef gates and other world builders keep talking about depopulation and sdg 5 it seems like the reaction should be devestating their smog horde of con coins

在世界经济论坛的盖茨等人和其他全球领导者不断鼓吹人口减少和SDG5（性别平等）之后，人们的反应理应是摧毁他们那个烟雾笼罩的欺诈币帝国。

@WilliamFang173
Children? In this economy?

在这种经济形势下，还生孩子？

@ltglambda
If AI robots that handle household chores such as cooking and laundry become widespread, I think they would have at least some positive impact on the birth rate.

如果能够处理做饭、洗衣等家务的人工智能机器人得到普及，我认为它们至少会对出生率产生一些积极影响。

@America-The-Great
I'm so happy and grateful that I Have no kids... I have no wife I own my house and I am financially free. Yes it's important that we have children but I'm so happy that it's not me. Hehe!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

我很开心也很感恩自己没有孩子、没有妻子，我有自己的房子，经济上也很自由。没错，生育后代确实很重要，但我很庆幸这件事与我无关。呵呵！

@macult
In Africa people are having kids like the cost of living is something humanity made up

在非洲，人们生孩子就好像生活成本是人类凭空编造出来的东西一样。

@X_Otman
stability, if you are not stable then you won't have a child housing having money for atleast one year without a payroll, etc...

稳定，如果你不稳定，那么你就不会有孩子、住房，也不会有至少一年不依靠工资收入的钱，等等……

@theant9821
​@X_Otman nothing to do with money, its about attitudes towards relationships and children. We nolonger see marriage as important, nolonger see sex as important, nolonger see children as necessary. 
When the reality hasn't changed, everything that was necessary is still necessary but we've told generations that its not necessary. Now we're paying the price.
Most of the women who have 3 or more children are married.
But kids are taught to be cogs in the economic machine not to be husbands wives mothers and fathers. The stuff that actually matters.

这与金钱无关，关键在于人们对亲密关系和子女态度的转变。我们不再视婚姻为必需，不再认为性关系重要，更不将生育子女视为人生必要之事。
然而现实从未改变——那些曾被视作必要的事物，如今依然必要。可我们却告诉整整几代人“这些都不重要”。现在，我们正在付出代价
大多数有 3 个或 3 个以上孩子的女性处于已婚状态中。
但如今的教育只把孩子培养成经济机器中的齿轮，而不是去做丈夫、妻子、母亲和父亲。可这些才是真正重要的东西

@chucky2316
Scroungers though in africa

非洲的那些乞讨者

@chucky2316
​@X_Otman have kids and then leave them to an advert with a western tv with flies all over them yeah I get it

生了孩子然后把他们丢给一部满是苍蝇的西方电视广告，是吧，我懂了。

@dariobseuw
Too many subscxtions to pay

要支付的订阅费用太多了。

@nmd-007
Extra population in 3rd-world countries is making developed economies rich. Ex-soviet states and North Korea did not contribute to population problem that currently exists. The EU and NATO states are mostly ex-Soviet satellites including eastern Germany. That's why there is not so many people in Europe. Egypt, Turkey and Iran are full of kids but they aren't developing properly, they end up with mental and physical developmental delays. These undeveloped kids end up making developed economies even richer. America is also full of developmental delays, kids take protein powders and get bigger but their brains aren't developing proportionally.

第三世界国家的过剩人口正在使发达经济体更加富裕。前苏联国家和朝鲜并未造成当前的人口问题——欧盟与北约国家包含了大多数由前苏联卫星国（包括东德在内），这正是欧洲人口稀少的主因（译者注：此处的意思应该是这些前苏联的卫星国拉低了整体欧洲的人口）。埃及、土耳其和伊朗等国生育率居高不下，但这些儿童却普遍遭遇身心发育迟缓问题。这些未能充分发展的儿童，最终反而让发达经济体愈发富裕。美国同样面临发育危机：孩子们靠蛋白粉催生体格，大脑发育却未能同步跟进。

@guff9567
Personally, I find my birth rate doubling

就我个人而言，我发现我的生育率翻了一番。

@Bocca202
I do not see incentives to work hard. Why work hard if poor people get subsidized. Their housing, health, childcare, food needs are covered by the government. There is no reason to work at all or get an education with debt.

我看不到努力工作的动力。如果穷人能得到补贴，那何必努力工作呢？他们的住房、医疗、 儿保、食品需求都由政府承担。完全没有理由去工作，或者背负债务去接受教育。

@bojiang66
One sentence: the world population is getting darker. :-)

一句话：世界人口的肤色正变得越来越深。:-)

@theblueprint9771
Facts we should stop sending aid to Africa

事实上我们应该停止向非洲提供援助

@Sweet-Rat-Milk
So humanity is returning to its default settings... Good

人类正回归其默认设置…… 挺好。

@phoque121
Yes, I mean, in Sub Saharan Africa, the fertility rate is above 4 children per woman (6.1 in Niger). Just replace people everywhere with migrants from Africa, what could go wrong? ‍♂‍♂‍♂

确实如此，撒哈拉以南非洲的生育率高达每名妇女生育4个以上孩子（尼日尔为6.1）。若用非洲移民全面替代各地人口，能出什么岔子呢？

@wamnicho
 @phoque121  but they also die young. It’s very rare to find Africans in their 80s and 90s

但他们死的也早啊，很少看到有80、90岁的非洲人

@phoque121
​ @wamnicho Uganda's population in 1950: 5.1 million
Uganda's population in 2024: 50 million
Uganda's population in 2050 (UN projection): 105 million
Are you ok with that?

1950 年乌干达人口：510 万
2024 年乌干达人口：5000 万
2050 年乌干达人口（联合国预测）：1.05 亿
你能接受这一情况吗？

@stankssmile5865
See the poor also had more kids, today era has 12 hour shifts or two jobs to pay the bills, theres no time to take care of the kids and daycare centres is out of convenience for most of the salary bracket for average jobs, thats the issue

过去，穷人也会生更多孩子。而如今，人们为了支付账单，要么每天工作 12 小时，要么打两份工，根本没有时间照顾孩子。对于大多数普通打工人来说，日托中心的费用也超出了他们的承受范围，这才是问题所在。

@LuciFeric137
Falling whyt birth rates. Fify. That's why the falling empires are so scared

白人出生率下降。已修正。这就是为何衰落的帝国如此惊恐。​

@wildandbarefoot
Sell game boy, buy adult diapers....

卖掉GB游戏机，买成人纸尿裤……

@Adnaan98-ONIIL
This is mainly rich countries problem. Rich countries can not do without immigrants and that’s a fact because their citizens won’t do some jobs. I am immigrant I work in care home in the UK and all my colleagues are immigrants. The sad thing is they don’t even come and visit their parents. The world is a complex place. These reform voters should come and do my job they Have not idea how the world works

这主要是富裕国家的问题。事实上，富裕国家离不开移民，因为它们的公民不愿意做某些工作。我是一名移民，在英国的一家养老院工作，我所有的同事都是移民。令人难过的是，他们甚至不来看望自己的父母。这个世界很复杂。那些支持改革的选民应该来做我的工作，他们根本不知道这个世界是如何运转的。

@johngalt3940
How about changing family law to protect men’s rights

修改家庭法以保护男性权利怎么样？

@lawrencebishton9071
Lack of nhs paying the generative electric bill

英国国家医疗服务体系（NHS）甚至无力支付电费

@canadien325
Give every child 1000 when born. The government invest the money until retirement age and then give them the money in installments. Better than the current pension system

每个孩子出生时给予 1000（美元/欧元）。政府将这笔钱进行投资，直至其达到退休年龄，然后分期发放给他们。这比现行的养老金制度更好。

@chucky2316
How about they earn their own money

他们自己挣钱怎么样？

@theukeconomist6518
Well, this doesn't seem to affect the Islamic communities in the Western world. They're still having plenty of babies.

然而，这似乎并未影响西方世界的穆斯林群体——他们依然在大量生育孩子。

@X_Otman
good

好的

@Garmonbozia-nc7mm
Underdeveloped vrs developed cultures

欠发达文化与发达文化

@Sweet-Rat-Milk
Not really, by the second generation they're having the same amount of children as the rest.

并非如此，到了第二代，他们的生育率就和其他人一样了。

@Wizardman-q5w
Right on time for AI

正好赶上人工智能的时代

@Sarahyangtoronto
Only a few countries have a younger population.

只有少数国家拥有较年轻的人口结构。

@sm4121x
Request you to cover concerns about alleged vote rigging in India’s recent elections — this needs global attention."

请关注印度近期选举中涉嫌操纵选票的问题 —— 这需要全球的关注。

@CarlClassenX
Asking people why they don't want children will get you the answer people think is the reason. But I have a feeling it is more complicated then just money. Otherwise the richest nations with high social supports with have higher birth rates then poor nations with low incomes. Even poor nations with access to birth control.

若询问人们为何不愿生育，得到的答案往往是人们自以为的原因。但我觉得这比单纯的钱的问题要复杂得多。否则那些社会福利优渥的富裕国家，生育率理当高于低收入贫困国家，然而现实却是：即便在能获取避孕措施的贫困国家，生育率依然更高。​​

@Artschannel-r4h2d
Covid jab

可能因为新冠疫苗的接种

@nopenadda
Damn that nurse with them dimples

该死的那个有酒窝的护士

@lawrencebishton9071
I will take wage over the 30 years I'm owed

我会拿回我这 30 年来被拖欠的工资。

@gamewithadam7235
I guess if we had a global world order and removed barriers to live in other countries we wouldn't have problems like aging populations that need younger workers in a particular country. We could quickly move younger people to working areas and move elderly to less working areas to retire. Much easier with a global world order where everything is united. Otherwise people stay in the country they live in and wonder why there aren't younger people to take care of them, while in other countries there are too many younger people for the jobs available who couldn't easily move to another country. Supply and demand can't work efficiently when you have strict border control and nationalism/individual nations or judge people on where they came from, instead of recognising that we are all just human beings. If we had a unified global order and language, it could help to unify all nations and allow free movement around the world to fit the situational needs of people. But we can only achieve this with AI in control, not humans. Hopefully a peaceful war free future ran by AI is upon us with no borders.

我想，如果我们建立一个全球秩序，消除在其他国家居住的壁垒，就不会出现特定国家人口老龄化需要年轻劳动力这类问题了。我们可以迅速将年轻人调配到需要劳动力的地区，将老年人转移到劳动需求较少的地区退休。在一个万物统一的全球世界秩序下，这一切会容易得多。否则，人们就只能待在自己居住的国家，疑惑为什么没有年轻人来照顾他们，而在其他一些国家，有太多年轻人面临就业岗位不足的问题，却又无法轻易移居到另一个国家。当严格的边境管控、国家主义或个体主权凌驾于人本需求之上，当人类仍以出身地域评判彼此而非承认众生平等，供需关系便永远无法高效运转。​如果我们有一个统一的全球秩序和通用语言，便能整合所有国家，并允许人们在世界各地自由流动，以适应不同的情境需求。但我们只有让人工智能来掌控这一切才能实现，而不是依靠人类。希望一个由人工智能管理、没有边境、和平无战争的未来即将到来。

@MsSango
Uh what happened to legal immigration...how do u have this conversation without discussing this element?

呃...合法移民的情况如何了？讨论这个问题怎么能忽略这个要素呢？

@chucky2316
Non of its legal

没有一件是合法的。

@lawrencebishton9071
I don't charge yet finance sells me

我尚未收费，可金融已将我出卖

@Lucy-Noodles
Sky advertising on GB news, that made my day

天空电视台在 GB 新闻台上打广告，这让我非常开心。

@alfadelomer8225
Having more children is better than abortion(the termination of pregnancy).

多生孩子总比堕胎（终止妊娠）好。

@wildandbarefoot
It's not cheaper though. And there's less sleepless nights. And it won't ruin your body. And you can work more.   And .....
...why do we have kids again?

（不生孩子）开销更低。而且少了很多不眠之夜。它也不会毁掉你的身体。你还能更多地投入工作。还有……
…… 我们到底为什么要生孩子来着？

@barnabycauwood3983
Give it time and people will be begging for small boats to come over

假以时日，人们会乞求那些小船过来的。

@chucky2316
We wont

我们不会

@barnabycauwood3983
​ @chucky2316 Yesh sure Chucky. Hopefully you have deep pockets to keep Britain pure

行啊，当然可以，chucky。但愿您腰包够深，能保住英国的‘纯净’呢。

@brendanmckeever-kz5zi
It would be wrong to think of reproduction as more than a coincidence, thus reproduction is never a solution.  Conversely, redistribution on the basis of age may be the cure for older majorities who struggle to maintain a high standard of living.  Such countries could consider offering incentives for younger adults to emigrate from their own developing countries to such developed countries in need. In such a case, I could think of a few European countries who might consider inviting a relatively youthful American, or two.

若将生育视为超越巧合的存在，那就是谬误，生育从来不是解决问题的办法。相反，基于年龄的再分配或许能解决占人口多数的老年人难以维持较高生活水平的问题。这些国家可以考虑为发展中国家的年轻人提供激励，吸引他们移民到这些有需求的发达国家。在这种情况下，我能想到一些欧洲国家可能会考虑引进一两位相对年轻的美国人。

@andrejharry7299
You need Immigrants .

你需要移民。

@lawrencebishton9071
The dvla should be charged for murder

英国车辆及驾驶管理局（DVLA）应被控谋杀罪。

@brandon3872
HMM, I wonder why fertility rates have fallen...

嗯，我想知道为什么生育率下降了……

@Artschannel-r4h2d
Jab

（疫苗）接种

@d.r.dproductions6519
Children of men

《人类之子》

@fool1124
UN women what a joke

联合国妇女署真是个笑话

@hanthurein22
Reversible Reactions

可逆反应

@amirangozie
BMI is 18.5-20 to have children.

身体质量指数（BMI）在 18.5 至 20 之间适合生育。

@chucky2316
Scrounger

乞丐

@ThịHồngAnhNguyễn-t5h
You've destroyed the family structure and now you can reap the benefits of lack of....hahaha the age of the "self"

你们摧毁了家庭结构，现在你们可以收获这种缺失带来的 “好处” 了…… 哈哈哈，这就是 “自我” 的时代。

@MrSatnavatron
microplastics

微塑料（译者注：此处应该是指塑料制品的滥用导致人体摄入过多的塑料颗粒导致不孕不育，这跟上面那些反疫苗群体一个意思）

@WestAvenue-m3p
Lol we no who birth rates are finished to the point of no return lol

哈哈，我们都知道生育率已经低到无法挽回的地步了，哈哈

@willwonder4207
I would like to have a baby

我想要个孩子。


@lawrencebishton9071
My self in debt to half a million £ at age 7 for equipment that is nothing to do with me yet expected to pump natwest accounts debts is what bothers me as now all this account is closed yet that's a other finance firm lending me !!aswell as the nhs the job centre ! ?  It's clearly that bad any who know full well don't say a thing

令我困扰的是：年仅7岁的我竟背负50万英镑的设备债务，而这些设备与我毫无关联！更荒谬的是，国民西敏寺银行（NatWest）的账户债务虽已关闭，却仍有其他金融公司向我放贷——国民医疗服务体系（NHS）和就业中心（Job Centre）竟也牵涉其中？这显然已糟糕透顶，可所有知情者都对此缄默不语！​

@John.9797
Thank you Feminism and Wokism

感谢女权主义和 “觉醒主义”。

@lawrencebishton9071
You want to be funded to care for child? Sum people pay thousands to have child or chance of and the whole country talks like they are doing a job and minding children like they are minding property or a bussiness for sum1 ??? The whole world has way to mutch years ago now sensible is completely lost you might aswell say money is worth nothing apart from 1 percent who is the money being traded and sold for kids and wattever the game is

你们想拿钱才肯养娃？有些人花几十万重金求子不得，全国上下却把养孩子当成有偿工作——照料孩子就像经营产业、看管财产？全世界早已疯了多年，如今理性荡然无存！你大可以说金钱一文不值，除了顶层那1%——这些钱到底在为谁交易？贩卖儿童算什么？金钱游戏罢了

@lawrencebishton9071
If yess my natwest account needs accounting for as bussiness and I need the 30 year of of capital capacity that should be my account if no then I refuse to assure established system of uk gb england as it is worst in the world and is the most unequal brutal wrong and unbalanced being non to begin with that as ever existed for 1 with a pair that is !!!!

若你们认定我的NatWest账户需按商业账户核算，并要求我承担30年的资本能力——那么这些本应属于我的账户权益必须归还！若答案是否定的，我断然拒绝承认英国这已确立的体系——它堪称全球最恶劣、最不平等、最残酷、最荒谬失衡的存在，其根基之荒谬简直前所未有，尤其对像我这样的人而言！！！

@Icaro_5011
It won’t as we keep bringing in so many immigrants

这不会发生的，因为我们一直在引进这么多移民。

@robertwhiteley-yv1sy
Their birth rates are plummeting too. India’s birth rates are in free fall.

他们的生育率也在急剧下降。印度的生育率正直线下滑。

@cheesball96
They’re talking about birth rates you

他们在谈论生育率呢，你个小丑

@marcglenn
Trying to have this conversation without acknowledging the reality that education and workforce opportunities has lead to more women preferring careers over child bearing is a mistake. This isn’t to say women shouldn’t be allowed the same opportunities as men, but the side effect of low fertility rates can’t be ignored. Neither can the effects of sedentary lifestyle on male testosterone levels. All of this exacerbated by rising cost of living, not the other way around.

在进行这场讨论时，如果回避教育和就业机会的增加导致更多女性更倾向于选择职业而非生育这一现实，无疑是重大谬误。这绝非否定女性应享有与男性平等的机会，但低生育率的副作用不容忽视。久坐生活方式对男性睾酮水平的负面影响同样不容忽视——而生活成本攀升正加剧这一切，而非相反

@Sweet-Rat-Milk
Male abortion illegal, unless it's for health reason.

​男性无权决定堕胎，除非基于健康原因（且需符合法定医疗程序）

@isabella6075
No

不

@lawrencebishton9071
Evolved

进化

@lawrencebishton9071
Im sorry when all take all the time and then others build a syphoned system around you to feed thier spending and habits coin I have to say sum thing

实在抱歉——当某些人耗尽所有时间，却让另一些人围绕你建立吸血系统，只为供养他们的挥霍和恶习时，我不得不站出来说点什么。

@lawrencebishton9071
I mean the d
Gdp 3 or more country's worth reliant on my log book the system is clearly and should not be fucked unless im the 2 giving it thier with going through the fence electric grid is what literally mime kampf is a prison in plain sight to extra t minerals is thier no law or legle system. At uk gb england ??.

我的意思是，三个国家的GDP都依赖我的记录系统——这套系统显然不应该是一团糟的，除非我是那两个翻过电网围栏给它供电的人！这鬼地方简直像座露天监狱，采矿采得无法无天。英国/英格兰就他妈没有法律和司法体系吗？