好消息：印度女性就业率现已升至 41.7%，印度网民难得理性讨论，质疑数据

No-Access-9453
Indian Man
Ive actually posted about this before and did some research. And from what I can tell, india is still currently at a stage where one solid income is enough to run a household in the urban areas. This leads to there being less of a push for women to work and support the household. Where as for rural women, they basically have a "all hands on deck" approach where they need everyone to contribute to sustain themselves.
Overtime as the country continues developing india will reach a stage where 2 incomes are needed to sustain a household in the urban population as well.
Another thing is the rise in the participation rate in the rural areas is in the "self employed" and "informal" sector. Basically like working in the family business or farms or stuff like that. The quickest way to get jobs in the formal sector would be to bring massive amounts of manufacturing but that's easier said than done. You'd have to have a whole discussion involving both domestic politics and geopolitics

其实我之前就发过相关内容，还做了一些研究。我了解到印度目前仍处于这样一个阶段：​在城市地区，一份稳定的收入就足以维持一个家庭的生计。这导致社会对女性工作以分担家庭经济责任的推动力较弱。
相比之下，​农村女性则基本采取“全家出动”的方式，她们需要每个人都做出贡献，才能维持生存。
随着国家的持续发展，印度最终也将进入这样一个阶段：，在城市中，也需要两份收入才能维持住一个家庭。
另外一点是，农村地区女性劳动力参与率的上升主要体现在​“自雇”和“非正规”领域。基本上就是在家族企业、农场或类似的地方工作。在正规部门创造就业的最快途径是大力发展制造业，但这说起来容易做起来难。这需要深入探讨，因为这涉及到国内政治和地缘政治两方面的因素。

Important_Menu4937 reply No-Access-9453
Indian Woman
True. India directly went from being an agrigarian society to service based one. Service sector doesn't generate as much employment required for a huge population like ours.

确实如此。印度直接从农业社会跃升为了一个以服务业为主的社会。服务业无法创造出足够的就业机会来满足像我们这样一个人口大国的需要。

Ortho_Tune6159 reply Important_Menu4937
Indian Man
Also, OP, Great Post. Honestly, this is what Reddit needs more of these days lol.

另外，楼主，帖子很棒！老实说，如今的Reddit就缺这种內容哈哈。

Ortho_Tune6159 reply Important_Menu4937
Indian Man
I mean think a bit deeper, food stalls, vegtable stalls, anything of that sort attracts customers just like how business attracts customers too, if you were to compare simialry you can say America is an service economy too, we used to be a huge manufacture hub too but slowly jobs started to delepet and the focus in 08 was more geared towards the green new deal and environmental protection which is still a talking point, but the point being is the bottom of the food chain contributes to a significant portion of India growth without it India wouldn't be growing at 7-8% per year and to be the 4th largest economy in the world in terms of purchasing power shows the potential India has, but what really needs to happen is open the market let companies invest in indian talent and that will splurge India to become almost competitive to America and China.
Yes, Geo Politics plays a role too, but India does what is best for India, and that is a proud thing.

我觉得不妨深入思考一下：​​
无论是街头小吃摊、蔬菜摊，还是任何类似的小生意，它们吸引顾客的逻辑其实和企业经营本质相通。就像美国如今也是服务型经济——美国曾经同样是制造业大国，但就业岗位逐渐流失。而2008年后政策重心更多转向绿色新政​和环境保护，这点时至今日仍是热议话题。
但关键在于，这些底层经济的贡献，恰恰是印度增长的核心引擎。要是没有这些底层经济活动，印度不可能实现每年7-8%的高速增长，更不可能成为按购买力平价（PPP）计算全球第四大经济体。这充分展现了印度的潜力。
而真正需要做的是，开放市场，让企业投资印度本土人才。这将推动印度发展到具备足以与中美竞争的实力。
当然，​地缘政治也有影响。但印度始终以自身国家利益为先，这是值得自豪的事。

Hydrated_Manicured
Indian Woman
Free to pursue is the key word for urban areas, while in Rural India it is a necessity. I have cousins who are more than happy in being settled as housewives, but every member in my maid’s family is working, because they can’t sustain if they don’t.

在城市，‘自由择业’是关键词；而在印度农村，工作则是一种必需。​​
我有几个表姐妹，她们很满足于当家庭主妇的生活，但我的佣人一家却是所有成员都在工作，因为如果不这样，他们将无法维持生计。

Important_Menu4937 reply Hydrated_Manicured
Indian Woman
This is true.

这是事实

indcel47
Indian Man
While a good sign as such, a change so rapid in a society so backward could also mean that the average household is really hard up right now.

虽然这本身是个积极信号，但在一个相对落后的社会中出现如此剧烈的增长，很可能意味着普通家庭眼下已陷入生计难以为继的困境。

Important_Menu4937 reply indcel47
Indian Woman
Agree.

同意

Distinct-Library5173
Indian Man
In 2021, dowry cases rose by 25% and crimes against women increased by 15.3%. In 2022, India ranked 135th out of 146 countries in the Global Gender Gap Index, placing 48th in political empowerment, 143rd in economic participation, and 146th in health and survival — the worst globally.
We have long way to go.

2021年，印度嫁妆相关的案件增长25%，针对女性的犯罪率上升15.3%。2022年，印度在《全球性别差距报告》的146个国家中排名第135位，其中政治赋权位列第48名，经济参与领域跌至第143名（倒数第四），而健康生存指标则排名第146名 — 全球最差。​
任重道远啊

Important_Menu4937 reply Distinct-Library5173
Indian Woman
A very long way to go indeed.

确实任重道远

ordinarycelebrity reply Distinct-Library5173
Indian Woman
Not to say that the reality isn't grim but the reason you probably see this rise in dowry cases and crimes against women is that women are now more empowered than before to be able to report such cases.

并不是否认现实的残酷，但嫁妆相关案件及针对女性犯罪数量上升的原因，很可能源于当代女性比以往更有勇气打破沉默，敢于报案维权。

Distinct-Library5173 reply ordinarycelebrity
Indian Man
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskIndia/comments/1m24zfc/445_lakh_cases_were_reported_in_2022_and_thats/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

楼主回复了红迪网某个帖子网址

ordinarycelebrity  reply Distinct-Library5173
Indian Woman
That doesn't negate my point. I know that only a small minority of women are actually empowered enough to make that report. But that small minority of women who are empowered enough to make that decision has increased and not decreased. Meaning, there is a rise in reported cases because women are reporting them more than before not because they are happening more than they were earlier. The majority of the cases go unreported.Yes, I know that because I quite literally live it.

这并没有否定我的观点。我知道，实际上只有极少数女性拥有足够的能力去报案。但关键是这些能够挺身而出的女性群体规模在扩大而非缩小。​​报案数字攀升的主因是相较于过去报案意愿增强，而不是这类案件的发生率比以前更高了。事实上，大多数案件仍然没有被上报。​​是的，我对此再清楚不过，是因为我切身体验着这样的现实。

Distinct-Library5173 reply ordinarycelebrity
Indian Man
Still only 2% is very concerning

仅2%的比例依然令人深感忧虑

ordinarycelebrity  reply Distinct-Library5173
Indian Woman
I know and I agree.

我知道，而且我同意。

Important_Menu4937 reply Distinct-Library5173
Indian Woman
Your comment deserves a seprate post.
If possible please do make a seprate post of this. This is an interesting data to discuss.

你的评论值得单独发一个帖子。如果可以的话，请务必单独发一个这样的帖子。这些数据颇具探讨价值。

Distinct-Library5173 reply Important_Menu4937
Indian Man
Very less number of people care about such data and this sub a kinda scary to post anything.

很少有人在意这类数据，而且在这个论坛板块发帖总让人有点不安。

Important_Menu4937 reply Distinct-Library5173
Indian Woman
Nah, this sub is the right place for this topic. I would still request to post it.

不，本版块正是讨论此议题的理想之地。我仍坚持请求您发布该内容。

Distinct-Library5173 reply Important_Menu4937
Indian Man
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_women_in_India
reference number 8/12

回复维基百科某个板块，参考编号8/12

Important_Menu4937 reply Distinct-Library5173
Indian Woman
As a women it is hard to even read this.

作为一个女性，光是读这些内容都让我倍感艰难

Distinct-Library5173 reply Important_Menu4937
Indian Man
Yea many women avoid such topics because of the same reason

确实，许多女性出于同样的原因回避此类话题

Important_Menu4937 reply Distinct-Library5173
Indian Woman
This is a wrong conclusion to draw.

这是一个错误的结论

thandi420
Indian Man
Calculation of employment have been changed now disguised unemployment is also counted. These numbers may look good but they are just inflated numbers.
Many woman in rural areas left doing agriculture labour work cause they were going for education in 2017-18 but thanks to COVID 19 in 2020 the track of progress got derailed again and they are back to labour market.
These numbers look good on surface but reality is different

当前就业统计方式已经改变，隐性失业也被纳入其中。数据表面光鲜，实则夸大数据。​​
​2017-18年间许多农村女性放弃了农业劳动，因为她们要去接受教育。但由于 2020 年新冠肺炎疫情的影响，这一进步进程再次受阻，她们被迫重返劳动力市场。​​
​这些数字表面上光鲜亮丽，现实却截然不同。

Important_Menu4937 reply thandi420
Indian Woman
Calculation of employment have been changed now disguised unemployment is also counted.
But why did they change it?

就业统计方式现已调整，隐性失业也被纳入统计范围。
但他们（政府/统计部门）为什么要做出这种改变呢？

thandi420 reply Important_Menu4937
Indian Man
Politics to show good stats and ask for votes --- ohhh the employment have increased such a good thing.... Our govt is doing good plss give us votes now.
Whenever woman employment have to increase it will first decrease cause they go for studies and after education most of them will try for formal jobs not informal ones. Chances of BA graduate girl going for agriculture labour work is less.
As you can see the data their is sharp rise in rural areas ....cause girls gave been pulled out from schools and now working as agricultural as labourers or working in their own farms in the form of disguised unemployment.
Even the labour participation of man is stagnet or declining

​政客们晒出漂亮数据当然是为了选票…哦！就业率上升了，真是件好事啊....我们政府干得真棒，现在请给我们投票吧。​​
​每当女性就业率需要提高时，它总会先下降，因为她们要去读书学习。而接受教育后，她们中的大多数人会寻求正规工作，而不是非正规工作。一个有学士学位的女孩去干农业体力活的可能性较小。​​
​正如你所见，农村地区就业率急剧上升....原因是女孩们被迫辍学，现在要么是当农业劳工干活，要么是在自家农场上干活——实际上这是假装自己有活干的隐性失业。​​
甚至连男性的劳动参与率也停滞不前或在下降

Ortho_Tune6159
Indian Man
I wouldn’t say urban women in India aren’t educated or free to pursue careers—it’s more complex than that. With a population nearing 1.5 billion, there are layers of cultural, economic, and policy-driven factors at play.
Much of the recent rise in female labour force participation has been rural-driven, largely due to government subsidies and programs aimed at boosting rural employment. Over the past decade, under Modi’s government, there’s been a big push for “Make in India” to strengthen domestic manufacturing. While the initial motive was partially to reduce dependence on imports (especially from China), it’s created more jobs in rural areas where women are participating in agriculture, small-scale industries, and government schemes like MGNREGA.
Urban areas, however, are different. Many urban women are educated, but they also face challenges like:
Higher cost of childcare and domestic help, making it harder to balance work and family.
Gender bias in workplaces, with fewer flexible jobs or leadership opportunities.
Safety concerns, which discourage commuting to and from workplaces.
And ironically, as family incomes rise in urban areas, some women may withdraw from the workforce voluntarily due to social expectations.
You’re also right that India still needs to address bigger systemic issues—better laws to protect women’s safety, equal access to education, sanitation, and stronger infrastructure in both rural and urban areas. Otherwise, progress will be uneven.
I live in the US, and historically, America also confined women to housewife roles until WWII forced women into factories and sparked movements for women’s rights. The 90s and 2000s brought the sexual revolution, internet, and social media—all of which reshaped gender roles here too. But even in the US, there are trade-offs: rising divorce rates, challenges in family stability, and debates over gender equity in workplaces.
So it’s really about finding a balance—pushing for women’s empowerment while also creating fair, supportive systems for both genders. India’s 47% female LFPR in rural areas is good news, but to sustain this, urban participation needs similar attention.

我不会简单地说印度的城市女性没有受过教育或没有追求工作的自由——实际情况要复杂得多。​​ 在一个接近15亿人口的国家里，存在着多重因素发挥着作用——文化、经济和政策驱动等
最近女性劳动力参与率的提升在很大程度上是由农村地区驱动的，这主要得益于政府为促进农村就业而推出的补贴和相关计划。​​ 在莫迪政府执政的十年间，大力推动了“印度制造”计划以加强国内制造业。虽然最初的动机部分是减少对进口（尤其是来自中国）的依赖，但它确实在农村地区创造了更多就业机会，妇女参与到农业、小型工业以及像《全国农村就业保障法》这样的政府项目中。
然而，城市地区的情况则不同。​​ 许多城市女性受过教育，但她们也面临诸多挑战：
更高的育儿和家政服务成本，这使得平衡工作和家庭更加困难。
职场中存在性别偏见，灵活岗位较少，晋升至领导层的机会也更少
​安全方面的担忧，这阻碍了上下班通勤。
​讽刺的是，随着城市地区家庭收入的增加，一些女性可能会因为社会期望而自愿退出劳动力市场。​​
你说得对，印度确实仍需解决一些重大的系统性问题——需要完善法律来保护女性安全、确保平等的教育机会、改善卫生设施以及加强城乡地区的基础设施建设。否则，发展将会是不均衡的。
我住在美国，回顾历史，美国也曾将女性限制在家庭主妇的角色中，直到第二次世界大战迫使女性进入工厂工作，从而引发了女权运动。​​ 上世纪90年代和21世纪初，性革命、互联网和社交媒体的兴起，也重新塑造了这里的性别角色。但即使在美国，也存在一些代价：离婚率上升、家庭稳定性面临挑战、职场性别平等相关的争论。
因此，关键在于找到平衡——在推动女性赋权的同时，也要为两性创造公平、支持性的体系。印度农村地区47%的女性劳动力参与率是个好消息，但要维持这种势头，城市地区的女性劳动参与率同样需要关注。

AgencyQuiet9559
Indian Man
Good progress. Now we need to get everyone decent enough jobs to fall under the tax bracket. That would hopefully help build thr nation faster. However, I don’t trust any politicians. They’d probably steal more.

​进展不错。现在我们还需要让每个人都有足够体面的工作，收入达到能纳税的标准。希望这能帮助国家更快地发展起来。不过，我不信任任何政客。他们恐怕只会贪污得更多。​

ManipulativFox
Indian Man
Good but government needs to address wealth inequality else even 2 income are not able to afford flat in big cities and Automation is already eating high paying middle class jobs slowly

​进展是好的，但政府需要解决贫富差距的问题，否则即便有两份收入，在大城市也买不起房子。而且，自动化已经在蚕食高薪的中产阶层的工作岗位了。​

RevealApart2208
Indian Woman
Wish it was above 50 percent for even urban population

真希望城市人口（的女性劳动参与率）也能超过 50%

Worried-File3605
Indian Woman
This happens because in most working class households, simply one person to work just does not cut it.
There is still a huge income gap between the daily wages of women and men in rural india.
Whereas in Urban India, dominant castes being savarna who have had wealth for a while now simply do not 'allow'/ 'need' women to work.
Brahminical patriarchy harms all women.

​出现这种情况是因为，在大多数工薪阶层家庭里，仅仅靠一个人工作根本不够维持生活。​​
​然而在印度农村地区，男女之间的日收入仍然差距巨大。​​
​而在印度城市，那些占主导地位的萨瓦尔纳人（印度高种姓群体），他们都是有钱的老财，因此“不允许”或“不需要”女性外出工作。​​
​婆罗门的父权制对所有女性都造成了伤害。​

Outrageous-Tart3374
Non-Indian Man
Rural women in India have a higher proportion of the female workforce compared to urban women.
While the overall female labor force participation rate (FLPR) is lower in India than in many other countries, rural areas tend to have a higher percentage of women working, according to the Centre for Budget and Governance Accountability.
This is despite the fact that urban areas often offer more diverse and higher-paying job opportunities, particularly for educated women.
More detailed breakdown: Higher FLPR in Rural Areas: Data from the Directorate General of Employment (DGE) shows that a larger percentage of women in the 15-59 age group participate in the workforce in rural India compared to urban areas.
For example, in 2021-22, the FLPR in rural areas was around 39.3%, while in urban areas it was 26.5%.
Increased Participation: The FLPR in rural areas has also shown a significant increase over time, with a 12.7% point increase between 2017-18 and 2021-22, according to the DGE.
https://dge.gov.in/dge/sites/default/files/2023-05/Female_Labour_Utilization_in_India_April_2023_final__1_-pages-1-2-merged__1_.pdf#:~:text=Around%2039.3%25%20females%20of%20age%20group%2015%2D59,2021%2D22%20as%20compared%20to%2022.3%25%20in%202017%2D18.

印度农村女性的劳动力参与比例高于城市女性​
尽管印度整体女性劳动力参与率低于许多国家，但预算与治理问责中心指出，农村地区工作的女性比例普遍更高。
​这一现象的反常性​：尽管城市地区通常能提供更多元、更高薪的就业机会，尤其对受过教育的女性而言，但农村女性劳动参与率仍显著领先。
​以下详细数据解析​
农村地区女性劳动参与率更高​：印度就业总局数据显示，15-59岁年龄段的女性劳动力参与率在农村地区明显高于城市。举个例子，2021-22年，农村女性劳动参与率约为39.3%​，而城市地区仅为26.5%​​。
参与率增长显著​：就业总局的数据显示，农村地区的女性劳动参与率近年来也出现显著增长，2017-18至2021-22年间，农村女性劳动参与率增长了12.7个百分点。

animated_frogs
Indian Man
employment rates say absolutely ntg
cos entire india has employment problem
a women who is not educated/ not equipped to work is not considered as unemployed they are not considered in the workforce as they do not have access to education

​就业率数据根本说明不了任何问题。
因为整个印度都面临就业问题
那些没受过教育、缺乏工作技能的女性不会被视为失业者，她们甚至不被纳入劳动力范畴，因为他们没有受教育的机会。​