[专辑] 一些关于J15T的细节，多图

@chengelao
Look at that subtle off white colouring… the tasteful thickness of it…
My god. It even has a watermark!

看看那低调的乳白色调……还有那恰到好处的厚度……
天哪，它居然还有水印！


@jyf921
Even the words are outlined not filled. This Flanker is trying to hide in the clouds lol

连字体都是描边的，没有填充色。这架侧卫战斗机正试图藏在云里，lol


@Initial_Barracuda_93
Lowkey tho I see visible screws, like the SU-75.
I don’t know much about design elements for 4th generation fighters, are open screws alright since they’re not really trying to hide as much from radar?
I ask this because only the SU-57 gets trashed on for its screws haha

其实我能看到明显的螺丝，就像苏-75一样。
我对四代机的设计元素不是很了解，螺丝外露是不是没关系？是不是因为这些飞机并没有特别注重隐身？
我之所以这么问，是因为感觉只有苏-57总是因为螺丝问题被喷哈哈


@INCREDIBILIS55
You got it basically right, there’s no point in going through the work of hiding the screws if you aren’t making a stealth aircraft, you can see similarly exposed screws on other 4th gens.
Also, most comments on the SU-57s exposed screws use pictures from the prototypes, where the main issue is figuring out if the aircraft can fly and fight over focusing on fixing every little increase to the RCS, which is for later.

你基本说对了，如果不是在造隐形飞机，遮盖螺丝其实没什么意义，其他四代机上也能看到类似外露的螺丝。
另外，很多关于苏-57外露螺丝的评论其实用的都是原型机的照片，这个阶段最重要的是飞机能不能飞、能不能作战，而不是纠结每一个对雷达反射面细微增加的小问题，这些细节以后再解决。


@fernmelter
china has been trying to get their 4th gen plane to be able to compete with 5th gen fighters the J16 being a 4th gen has a layer of stealth paint over it

中国一直在努力让他们的四代战机具备与五代机竞争的能力，像歼-16这样的四代机在机身表面加了一层隐身涂料。


@yeyonge95
catobar sukhoi was my fantasy when i was a child playing with my su-27ub diecast lol

小时候玩着我的苏-27UB合金模型时，舰载起降的苏霍伊战机一直都是我的梦想。


@Valuable_Associate54
This plane somehow made me feel better about Trump winning.
It makes me erect

这架飞机不知为何让我对特朗普获胜这件事感觉好一些。
它让我激动不已


@imjustchillin-_-
im so glad the SU-33 is getting a new life as the J-15, the Sea Flanker is my favorite Sukhoi fighter ever

我很高兴苏-33以歼-15的新身份重获新生，海上侧卫一直是我最喜欢的苏霍伊战机。


@ITasteALiar
Phantom Phanboy
I'm sorry F-14 but this thing takes the spot for most beautiful 4th gen naval fighter for me

幻影迷弟
很抱歉，F-14，但对我来说，这款战机才是最美的四代舰载机


@AK47_David
Heavy naval jets deserve their places

重型舰载机理应拥有它们的位置


@AggravatingStrike743
Ahhhhhhh....I came

啊……我来了


@bodenplatte1360
What’s the difference between this variant and the J-15B? Or are they actually the same thing, just the name was wrong at first?

这个型号和J-15B有什么区别？还是说其实就是同一种飞机，只是最开始名字叫错了？


@deth-ayman
I think the J-15T is the CATOBAR variant.

我觉得歼-15T是弹射起飞型。


@Flandreium
Well tbh PLA officials never acknowledged the name of J-15B or J-15T before this release, they are basically hypotheses. We got proof of the existence of J-15T today and seems to be the mass-production version. However, we still don't know whether there is J-15B exists and whether the variant of the upgraded J-15s shown in that dual carrier photo is T or B.

说实话，在这次发布之前，解放军官员从未正式承认过J-15B或J-15T这两个名字，它们基本上只是猜测。今天，我们终于得到了J-15T确实存在的证据，而且看起来这就是量产型号。不过，我们仍然不知道是否存在J-15B，也不清楚双航母照片中展示的升级版J-15到底是T型还是B型。


@iantsai1974
J-15A: Carrier-based variant derived from the Su-33-T10K but with domestic pulse doppler radar and all other electronics. It was first equipped with AL-31 and later WS-10 engines.
J-15B: There is NO J-15B variant. Sometimes the J-15T variant was called J-15B.
J-15S: Twin-seater trainer variant derived from J-15A.
J-15D: The EA-18G like growler variant with AESA radar upgrade.
J-15T: CARTOBAR variant with AESA radar, is now replacing the J-15A fleet (even on Liaoning and Shandong).

J-15A：这是一种基于苏-33-T10K改进的舰载机型号，但配备了国产脉动多普勒雷达和其他全部国产电子设备。最初装备AL-31发动机，后来换装了WS-10发动机。
J-15B：并没有所谓的J-15B型号，有时J-15T被称为J-15B。
J-15S：这是由J-15A衍生出的双座教练型。
J-15D：类似于EA-18G“咆哮者”的电子战型号，升级配备了有源相控阵（AESA）雷达。
J-15T：这是一种CARTOBAR型，装备有AESA雷达，目前正逐步取代J-15A机队，即使是在辽宁舰和山东舰上也在更换。


@jospence
So basically the J-15B was the rumored in-service name and the J-15T was the prototype. It appears China consolidated the 2 names and decided to call the in-service aircraft J-15T based on Chinese media reporting.

所以基本上，J-15B原本是传闻中的服役型号名称，而J-15T是原型机。根据中国媒体的报道，中国似乎合并了这两个名字，最终决定将服役中的这款战机称为J-15T。


@CrimsonChin991
Lots of pictures from Zhuhai already coming in and the airshow hasn't even started yet. The images are damn good quality as well, where are people finding these ?

珠海的照片已经有很多开始流出了，航空展还没正式开始呢。而且这些图片质量都很高，大家都是从哪里弄到的？


@neocloud27
They’re all over Chinese social media, media and some influencers get early access, I think, and the crew working at the show takes photos too lol

他们在中国社交媒体上到处都是，媒体和一些网红好像可以提前看到节目，工作人员也会拍照，哈哈


@davidfliesplanes
Interesting that even with their military and economical strength China still prefers to use the Flanker

有趣的是，即便中国拥有强大的军事和经济实力，仍然倾向于使用“侧卫”系列（Flanker）战机


@Eastern_Rooster471
I guess if it aint broke, dont fix it
The main issues with flankers seem to be their avionics for the most part. China has better avionics that they put in them
Non 5th gens are moving towards being missile busses, and the flanker has more than enough payload to be a missile bus

我觉得如果没坏，就不用修。
侧卫系列战机的主要问题主要还是航电系统。中国为它们装备了更先进的航电设备。
非五代战斗机现在更多地向“导弹平台”发展，而侧卫的载弹量完全能胜任这一角色。


@Mid_Atlantic_Lad
An airfrx is just that, an airfrx. The weapons platform that uses an airfrx can be entirely different between airfrxs.

机体就是机体。使用同一种机体的平台，所搭载的武器系统却可以完全不同。


@WZNGT
Why would you put the effort into developing another completely new heavy 4th gen when your 5th gen is already in service with more to come?

既然你的第五代战斗机已经服役并且还有更多即将到来，为什么还要花精力去研发另一款全新的第四代重型战斗机呢？


@TONYbanana_07
an economical reason just that the stealth options are way more expensive so even if they are superior they’ll still want to keep upxed old platform shrimp as that

一个经济原因就是隐身选项要贵得多，所以即使它们更先进，人们还是会想要保留升级后的老型号作为“虾米平台”


@WZNGT
Which is exactly what had been done as the production was shifted from J-11 to the J-16.

这正是已经做过的事情：将生产从歼-11转向了歼-16。


@neocloud27
Well, the J-15T is for their carriers, I’m sure it shares a lot of the same technology as the J-16 which was developed for J-11D.

J-15T是为他们的航母研发的，我相信它和J-16共用很多相同的技术，而J-16则是为J-11D开发的。


@ZTyoho
J-35 can't carry long range a2a or anti-radiation missile, J-15T will take the job

J-35无法携带远程空对空导弹或反辐射导弹，这项任务将由J-15T来承担


@ganerfromspace2020
Well it's more than that, lot of the russian stuff has been replaced by arguably better Chinese avionics

不仅如此，许多原本采用俄罗斯设备的部分现在已经被公认更优秀的中国航电系统所取代。


@rabbitandwolf
The flanker is almost perfect for 4th gen long range heavy duty fighter/multirole airfrx-wise. All others can be upgraded/replaced and she's got the space and weight carrying capacity to carry on those upgrades for years to come.
The PLAAF seems to regard the flanker airfrx derivatives as more important than their J-10 lineage, which is a decent airfrx itself but limited by range and payload. PLAAF now is transitioning from defense to defense at distance and offensive posture.

侧卫战斗机的整体机体设计几乎是第四代远程重型多用途战斗机中的完美选择，其他部分都可以升级或更换，而它本身有足够的空间和载重能力，能够支持未来多年的升级。
中国空军似乎认为侧卫系列的机体衍生机型比他们的歼-10系列更重要，虽然歼-10本身也算一款不错的机型，但航程和载弹量有限。现在中国空军正在从本土防御向远距离防御和进攻转变。


@Valuable_Associate54
PLAAF and PLANAF are ace combat fanboys and it's clear to see with their designs and concepts lol.
ESPECIALLY the shenyang branch, look up their design for the Fifth gen competitor to the J-20.
The Chinese airforce is basically the cover images of Ace Combat games throughout history lMao

中国空军和海军航空兵完全就是《王牌空战》的铁杆粉丝，这点从他们的设计和理念里看得一清二楚，尤其是沈阳那边，你去看看他们和歼-20竞争的五代机设计就知道了。中国空军简直就像是历代《王牌空战》游戏的封面图一样，太有意思了


@LP_lix
Can we call it Su30 copy ?

我们可以称它为Su30的仿制品吗？


@Flandreium
When a copy is way better than the things it copied, what would you call it? Plus J-16 is nothing like the Su-30 except the shape. Most critical subsystem was replaced by better Chinese version.

当一个仿制品远远优于它所模仿的原件时，你会怎么称呼它？而且，J-16除了外形以外，和苏-30基本没有相似的地方，最关键的子系统都被更好的中国版本所取代了。


@MostEpicRedditor
The J-16 is derived from the J-11BS, which itself was an improved copy of the Su-27UBK. So, not a Su-30 copy, especially considering the differences it has with the actual Su-30s China imported from Russia. The roles might overlap, although even that is disputed considering that from the weapon loadouts we see, the J-16 is more intended for an A2A role than the ground/sea pounding for which the Su-30 was originally for.

J-16是以J-11BS为基础改进而来的，而J-11BS本身就是苏-27UBK的加强版仿制品。因此，J-16并不是苏-30的复制品，尤其是考虑到它与中国从俄罗斯进口的苏-30之间存在明显差异。虽然它们的用途可能有重叠，但根据我们看到的武器挂载情况，其实J-16更偏向于空对空作战，而苏-30最初则主要用于对地或对海打击。


@Eastern_Rooster471
Its not even an Su-30 copy
The J-15 series came from design studies of the T-10 and previous experience operating Su-27s, upgrading them and developing their own versions
They also heavily modernised and upgraded their Flankers. J-15T, J-16D, J-11BGH are speculated to have radars more powerful than basically every Russian flanker, are lighter due to the heavy use of composite materials, have better avionics and better weaponry

这根本不是苏-30的仿制品。
歼-15系列来源于T-10方案的设计研究，以及此前操作苏-27、对其升级和发展自有型号的经验。
他们还对自家的侧卫系列进行了大幅度现代化升级。像歼-15T、歼-16D、歼-11BGH等机型，据推测配备的雷达基本比所有俄制侧卫都强大，广泛采用复合材料让机身更轻，并且拥有更先进的航电系统和武器装备。


@Tando10
Anyone know if those sensors on the tail boom are Radar or IR?

有人知道尾梁上的那些传感器是雷达还是红外的吗？


@Flandreium
Probably radar, there is no optical window.

可能是雷达，因为没有光学窗口。


@Tando10
Wdym, there's literally a glass lens over the central black part of each of them. If they are radar sensing, why can't we see any others? IR would make sense because they're at the back and you're more likely to get shot by a heatseeker from behind, especially without seeing it.

你说什么？每个传感器中央的黑色部分上明明都有一层玻璃镜片。如果这是雷达感应器的话，为什么我们看不到其他类似的？红外线比较合理，因为这些传感器在飞机后方，你更有可能被后面的红外制导导弹击中，尤其是在你察觉不到的时候。


@Flandreium
You almost convinced me. But if it is MAWS rather than RWR antenna, usually, we should see the same device on the front part in symmetry also. Unless it is a rare-aspect-only MAWS.
Although I have to admit after taking a closer look at the higher quality picture, it did not seem like a regular RWR antenna.

你差点就说服我了。但是如果这真的是MAWS而不是RWR天线，通常我们也应该在前部看到对称安装的同样设备，除非这是一个只针对某个特定方向的MAWS。
不过我必须承认，在仔细看了高画质的图片后，这确实不像是普通的RWR天线。


@Tando10
Yeah, like, it's weird for an RWR sensor, it would have to be enclosed inside a glass lens for me to believe it. Rear aspect maws makes sense to make. It's less equipment to position. It doesn't affect airflow as much. It's the most likely place for a missile to come from (you've flown past an IR SHORAD by the time it fires) Your engines are hot. And it's the place that you cannot see the most. Head-on, you can maybe spot with your eyes.

是啊，对于RWR传感器来说，这确实很奇怪，我只有在它被包在玻璃镜头里才会相信。把MAWS放在尾部就很合理了，这样设备更少、更容易布置，对气流的影响也更小。而且，导弹大概率也是从后面打过来的（你飞过红外近程防空系统时它才会发射），发动机特别热，这一块又是你最看不到的位置。头对头的情况下，你或许还能用肉眼看到。


@Flandreium
Your engines are hot. And it's the place that you cannot see the most.
Yes, it's reasonable. But after doing some quick search I found that J-10 and JF-17 also have their optical-based MAWS installed in a similar place. Therefore I think they might find a way to avoid such an issue, like go with the UV-based MAWS.
Plus I think they attached the rare RWR antenna on top of the vertical stabilizer.

你的发动机温度很高，而且这是你最看不到的地方。
是的，这解释很合理。但我简单查了一下，发现像歼-10和枭龙这些飞机也把光学MAWS装在类似的位置。所以我觉得他们可能已经找到办法避免这个问题，比如说改用紫外线MAWS。
另外，我觉得他们还把稀有的RWR天线装在了垂尾顶部。


@Tando10
Sorry, I wasn't even meaning about the heat from the engines blocking the view. I was referring to the engines being hot and attractive to heatseekers. And then also the fact that you cannot see behind you.

不好意思，我说的其实不是引擎排出的热量挡住视线。我指的是发动机会很烫，对热追踪导弹来说很有吸引力。还有就是你根本看不到后方的情况。


@Flandreium
Oh... sorry for my misunderstanding. According to some sources I just saw, this J-15T might be a testing version. We might see some differences on the production version.

哦……抱歉，是我误会了。根据我刚刚看到的一些消息，这架J-15T可能是用于测试的版本，量产型可能会有一些不同。


@Bounceupandown
I’m confused because it has a launch bar and holdback on the nose gear assembly. I thought they didn’t use catapults. Am I missing something? Future use perhaps?

我有点困惑，因为它的起落架上有发射杆和阻拦装置。我还以为他们不用弹射器，是我哪里搞错了吗？还是说是为将来的用途准备的？


@LiGuangMing1981
China's third carrier (Fujian) is a CATOBAR carrier with electromagnetic catapults.

中国的第三艘航母（福建舰）是一艘采用电磁弹射器的弹射起飞阻拦着舰航母。


@Bounceupandown
Thanks. Methinks there will be interesting PLAT footage coming our way.

谢谢。我觉得很快就会有有趣的PLAT视频流出来了。


@Antares789987
Not sure why the made the tail hook square like that

不太明白他们为什么把尾钩设计成那种方形。


@[dexed]
Is it just me or Chinese planes lack that "rugged" of Russian machining?
They look far more delicate tbh.

是只有我这样觉得，还是中国的飞机没有俄罗斯制造那种“硬朗”的感觉？
说实话，它们看起来要精致得多。