两代同堂！歼-15和歼-15T 靓图， J-15T大了一圈？

@PLArealtalk
It is rather poetic that the T-10K and Su-33 airfrx lineage finally, with the J-15T, has a descendant in service that is qualitatively competitive with the active service, frontline carrierborne peers of its present era (Su-33 certainly was not competitive with comparable planes of its era, and the baseline J-15 was/is half a generation behind). And it doesn't hurt that J-15T can crossdeck between CATOBAR and STOBAR.
I wonder if Russia has any Su-33s still in flying shape. A photoex between a J-15T and Su-33 would be something to see, even if it was just a brief pair formation flight in the air.

颇具诗意的是，T-10K和苏-33这一系列的机体，终于随着歼-15T的服役，出现了一款在质上能与现役主流舰载机媲美的后代（苏-33其实从未能与其同代的同类型战机竞争，基本型歼-15也始终落后半代）。再加上歼-15T还能兼容弹射与滑跃起飞的航母，这无疑是个加分项。
不知道俄罗斯现在还有没有能飞的苏-33。如果歼-15T和苏-33能同框，无论只是在空中的简短编队飞行，都一定非常值得一看。


@xingi
I wonder if Russia has any Su-33s still in flying shape.
Yes…. They often fly patrols and escorts in the northern part of the country. That said Su-33 is the only Soviet flanker to have not received a modern upgrade.

我很好奇俄罗斯现在还有能飞的苏-33吗？
有的……它们经常在俄罗斯北部执行巡逻和护航任务。不过，苏-33也是唯一没有进行现代化升级的苏联侧卫战机。


@therealshadowofagod
They did upgrade their carrier based mig29s right? Also the carrier based su25 looks hella funny

他们确实升级了舰载版的米格29吧？还有舰载版的苏25看起来真的很搞笑。


@Frequent_Speed_207
What I see is since Soviet collapsed and Russia no longer have the capability of continue to build more carriers as Ukraine got the shipyard, they even have trouble to fix the only remaining carrier, therefore no reason and need to modernize the Su33. Modernizing mig on the other hand not only cheaper compared to the su33, it’s also cheaper to operate. Using less amount of money and at the same time left a bit hope for the future.(If they’re going to rebuild the navy Air Force)

在我看来，自从苏联解体后，俄罗斯已经没有能力继续建造新的航母了，因为乌克兰掌握了造船厂，他们甚至修理现存唯一航母都有困难，所以也没必要去升级苏33。相比之下，升级米格系列不仅比升级苏33便宜，运行成本也更低。这样不仅花的钱少，同时还能给未来海军航空兵留点希望（如果他们还打算重建海军航空兵的话）。


@Frequent_Speed_207
Besides that, su33 isn’t really a battle ready fighter when it’s still in operation. Russia doesn’t have the electronics that Chinese used for their flankers therefore far more dead weight, really bad fuel economy. On the other hand, china incorporates western electronics and start developing them throughout the way. Thanks to the huge space needed for Russian electronics, China using western style electronics saved massive space and weight while still performing way better, if my memory wasn’t wrong for J16s because the space and weight saving was so huge that they have to put some dead weight in the nose to keep it balanced. Don’t forget that J15T also have a structure upgrade compared to the J15. More composite materials being used etc. I just can’t wait J15T gets its target engine cuz that beast gonna have some crazy thrust to weight ratio.

另外，苏33本身也算不上是真正战备状态的战斗机。俄罗斯没有中国那样的先进电子设备，所以飞机负重很大，油耗也很高。反观中国，采纳了西方电子系统，并在此基础上持续开发。因为俄罗斯电子设备体积巨大，中国引进西方式电子构型后，节省了大量空间和重量，性能还更好，据我记得，J16的空间和重量省得太多，最后还要在机头里专门加配重保持平衡。别忘了J15T相较J15结构也进行了升级，更多复合材料被应用等等。我非常期待J15T换装目标发动机，因为那时推重比肯定非常厉害。


@rx78gp03fb
The J15 is an obvious transitional model, and its main role is for training, while the J15T is a serious combat model, as can be seen from the liveries of both

J15显然是一款过渡型号，主要用于训练，而J15T则是一款真正的作战型号，这从两者的涂装就能看出来。


@_spec_tre
(Since this is taken from the Shandong's visit)
I will never not mald about the process of getting tickets for Shandong in HK. There are only 2k tickets available and three windows to get the tickets, and even though I completed everything in 5s I still couldn't get them. From what I saw online, probably half of those were already reserved for students or for people in different positions BUT you can't even use it if you know someone with those tickets (who doesn't need them) since they needed real name verification for this one.
There's basically nothing you can do to get the tickets as the average person without using some macro and I can't help but wonder if there is a better system for this
Worse yet if you need to get tickets for more than one person. Although you can register more than one person on the platform you need to manually add every single person when trying to get tickets, which is two extra clicks per person and ends any possibility of getting tickets unless you have F1 driver reflexes (probably still not enough tbh)
Ah well, at least I can see the 054 and 052 at Stonecutter's Island from my house

（因为这是山东号访问时的事）
我永远都对在香港（特区）抢山东舰船票的过程感到无语。只有两千张票，分三个窗口开售，结果我用五秒钟全部流程完成还是没抢到。从网上看到的一些信息来看，大约一半的票都提前优先给了学生或者某些特定身份的人，但如果你认识拿到票但不去的人也没用，因为这次要实名验证。
一般人基本没有办法靠正常手段抢到票，除非用什么脚本外挂。我真的很好奇有没有更合理的分票方式。
更糟糕的是，如果需要替多个人抢票，虽然平台上可以注册多个人，但在购票的时候每加一个人都需要手动输入信息，要多点两下，大大拖慢速度，除非你的手速有F1车手那么快，但估计还是不够。
唉，能在家看到石鼓洲的054和052军舰也算聊以自慰吧。


@MAVACAM
I mean that's just classic experience of trying to queue up and buy anything online, bots and scalpers snatch everything up in milliseconds.

我的意思是，这就是在网上排队买东西的经典体验，黄牛和抢购机器人会在几毫秒内把所有东西都抢光。


@_spec_tre
Except you can't even scalp in this case because you can't transfer your ID...

只是你在这种情况下甚至都没法倒卖票，因为你的身份证件无法转让……


@teethgrindingaches
Presumably that is intentional in order to deter scalpers?

大概这是有意为之，用来防止黄牛吧


@PLArealtalk
Yeah, being unable to scalp tickets like these probably is a good thing.
Scalping tickets for Taylor Swift concerts and the like are already poorly tolerated by society, I can't imagine the PLA would want open day visits to their carriers to be perceived like that.

是的，像这种门票无法被黄牛炒卖，其实可能是件好事。
在社会上，炒卖泰勒·斯威夫特演唱会门票这种行为已经很不受欢迎了，我很难想象解放军会希望航母开放日被人们视为那种场合。


@_spec_tre
Honestly? When the number of tickets is so limited I'd rather let them be decided by the price mechanism via scalping than letting people with government positions and people with macros get all of them

说实话？在票数这么有限的情况下，我宁愿通过黄牛的价格机制来决定谁能买到，也不想让那些有政府职位的人和用脚本的人全拿走了


@zxksian
I was only able to acquire two tickets in the final round of registration at 8pm since I had given up on the carrier therefore I switched strategies of sniping Shandong solely to the destroyers and I picked an afternoon time slot at the bottom section which fortunately I was able to get tickets for Zhanjiang (052D) and Yuncheng (054A) destroyers but disappointed on not seeing the naval craft and J-15s, I apparently later searched on red-note which I suspect that a lot of non-Hong Kong mainlanders were able to get the Shandong reservations and both the destroyers as well, I highly suspect it is rigged and connected to top positions (apparently I asked some Chinese friends from different CCP organisations in Hong Kong to secure some Shandong tickets but they said you can only acquire them via the only WeChat system) Basically bots and top relations… :(

我只能在晚上8点的最后一轮报名中抢到两张票，因为之前已经放弃了航空母舰的预约，所以我改变策略专门抢山东舰相关的驱逐舰票，并选择了下午在底部区域的时间段，幸运的是我最终抢到了湛江（052D）和运城（054A）两艘驱逐舰的票，但很遗憾没能参观航母和歼-15战机。后来我在小红书上查了一下，怀疑有很多非香港（特区）的大陆人也能抢到山东舰和这两艘驱逐舰的预约票。我十分怀疑整个系统有猫腻，并且和高层关系有关（其实我还找了在香港（特区）不同党组织的中国朋友帮忙拿山东舰的票，他们说只能通过唯一的微信系统预约）。总之感觉被机器人和靠关系的人抢走了，很失望 :(


@chengelao
Any idea where specifically the Shandong is going to be these few days? Want to get a glimpse on the weekend but couldn’t find anything about where she’s parked.

有人知道这几天山东号具体会在什么位置吗？我想周末去看看，但找不到她停在哪里的消息。


@kazec1981
Western Anchorage No. 2

西锚地2号


@Greeninja7575
Which one is which?

哪个是哪个？


@Wanderingshine
Functionally, they can be distinguished by the front landing gear. Compared with the J15, the J15-T has a reinforced and thickened front landing gear to accommodate catapult takeoff.
From a more intuitive point of view, the J15-T has a light-colored nose radome.
So the aircraft on the top of the picture is the J15-T.

功能上，它们可以通过前起落架来区分。与歼-15相比，歼-15T的前起落架经过加固和加厚，以适应弹射起飞。
从更直观的角度来看，歼-15T有一个浅色的雷达罩。
所以图片顶部的那架飞机就是歼-15T。


@SkylineGTRR34Freak
Just to add some more: the J-15 has a single piece landing gear door at the front, while the J-15T has split landing gear doors. The J-15T also has a launchbar on the front gear to hook it up to the catapult (Not really visible here).

补充一点：J-15前起落架舱门是一体式的，而J-15T则是分体式的。J-15T的前起落架还增加了用于连接弹射器的牵引杆（这里不是很明显能看到）。


@Greeninja7575
Thanks!

谢谢！


@tommos
Surprised they haven't got rid of the cannon on the newer version. You'd think it's just taking up space.

让我惊讶的是，他们在新版上居然还没去掉那个机炮。感觉它就是在占地方。


@Wanderingshine
Cannons are still necessary, especially considering that these aircraft have to deal with many situations, such as accompanying or driving away foreign aircraft. Even though we always talk about beyond visual range, the situation is not so serious/bad that we dare only shout at each other from a distance, rather than taking close-up photos of each other through the glass.

机炮还是有必要的，尤其是考虑到这些飞机要应对很多情况，比如伴飞或者驱离外机。虽然我们常说超视距作战，但其实局势还没糟糕到只能远远地喊话，连隔着玻璃近距离拍个照片都不敢。


@Schwerter_105
Honestly it’s just extra work for very little benefit, since they’re probably on a tight schedule, not touching it is the better choice imo

说实话，这纯粹是多做了不少工作，但几乎没有什么好处，而且他们可能时间很紧，我觉得不去动它才是更好的选择


@NFU2
15T on top, older 15 on the bottom with the red/yellow formation stripes.
Some other easy to spot markers to look out for on the 15T are
The beefier front landing gear,
canted front bulkhead/radome color,
additional RF antennas on the leading edge/slats of the wing
antennas on the top of the aircraft behind the canopy and tip of the tails,
changed wingtip rail,
different IRST housing,
and the low vis insignia/artwork

15T在上面，老款的15在下面，可以通过红黄伪装条区分。
其他容易识别15T的特征还有：
更粗壮的前起落架，
前隔框/雷达罩是倾斜配色，
机翼前缘和缝翼上多了射频天线，
座舱后方和垂尾顶端有新天线，
翼尖导轨不同，
红外探测器舱体也变了，
还有低可视度的徽标或涂装。


@Greeninja7575
Thanks!

谢谢！


@kris_alpha
Simple. The one with the dark gray radome and a barbecue poker at the nose is the old J-15, the one with a light grey radome and a slanted nose is the new J-15T.
P.s. Yes, I know the "barbecue poker" is the pitot tube. Thanks in advance ✌️

很简单，那个带深灰色雷达罩、机头像烤肉叉的就是老款歼-15；带浅灰色雷达罩、机头有点倾斜的就是新款歼-15T。
补充一下，我知道“烤肉叉”其实是皮托管，谢谢大家提前指出✌


@Wesukiliyee
What does ribbon painting mean?

“Ribbon painting”是什么意思？   （注：指的是用带子作画或画出丝带形状的绘画方式）


@Capable-Reindeer-545
The livery for the Chinese military parade on September 3rd
Incidentally, last month, when Chinese aircraft carriers were training in the Pacific, it was this J15 that approached and expelled the reconnaissance of the Japanese Self-Defense Forces' P3C reconnaissance aircraft. （Tactical Number: 60）
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/12/asia/china-japan-warplanes-close-encounter-intl-hnk-ml

9月3日中国阅兵式上使用的涂装。
顺便说一下，上个月中国航母在太平洋进行训练时，正是这架编号为60的歼-15战机接近并驱离了日本自卫队P3C反潜巡逻机的侦察。
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/12/asia/china-japan-warplanes-close-encounter-intl-hnk-ml


@Delicious_Lab_8304
No. The red and yellow ribbons / flashes are not formation marks or livery for the parade (like the parade livery on the KJ-600 which looks a little like the old ROC 5-colour flag).
You see them on the vast majority of PLANAF J-15s, always. Just like the flying shark motif and electric shark motif on the tails of J-15H/T and J-15DH/T, respectively.
PLANAF (like some other naval airforces) has looser rules on aircraft paint schemes and insignia.

不，这些红色和黄色的丝带/闪光并不是编队标记或为了阅兵喷涂的特殊涂装（比如KJ-600在阅兵时用的涂装，看起来有点像过去中华民国的五色旗）。
你几乎总能在大部分海军航空兵的歼-15上看到这些标记，一直如此。正如你能在歼-15H/T和歼-15DH/T的尾部分别看到“飞鲨”与“电子鲨”的图案一样。
中国海军航空兵（和其他一些海军航空兵类似）对于飞机的涂装和标志管理得比较宽松。


@Temstar
IIRC they were formation marks, but not for this upcoming one but rather for 2019. PLANAF liked them so much that they decided to keep them after 2019.
For this year PLANAF wanted to use a white/blue formation mark but got overruled, so in protest they did this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarplanePorn/comments/1ldfd06/comment/my7ulkq

如果我没记错的话，这些其实是编队标记，不过不是为即将到来的活动准备的，而是2019年的。中国海军航空兵（PLANAF）很喜欢这些标记，所以2019年后也一直保留着。
今年，海军航空兵本来想用白色/蓝色的编队标记，但他们的方案被否决了，所以他们就用这种方式表达抗议：
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarplanePorn/comments/1ldfd06/comment/my7ulkq


@PLArealtalk
Originally the red/yellow ribbons were actually formation marks and livery for past parades, but got retained on the aircraft that had them.
I'm unsure if additional new build aircraft had formation marks added to them for the sake of it (even if there was no upcoming parade to fly for), but the original ribbons are definitely formation marks.

最初，红色和黄色的缎带实际上是用于编队标记和过去阅兵的涂装，但后来这些缎带被保留在已经喷涂过它们的飞机上。
我不确定后来新制造的飞机是否也单纯为了涂装加上了编队标记（即使没有即将举行的阅兵），但最初的缎带肯定是用作编队标记的。


@ZTyoho
Parade formation marks. Sep 3rd is China's V-Day, WWII victory 80th anniversary. There will be parade every 10 years of V-Day and National Day.

阅兵队形标记。9月3日是中国的胜利日，也是二战胜利80周年纪念日。每逢胜利日和国庆日，每十年会举行一次阅兵。


@Delicious_Lab_8304
Nope. See above comment.

不是的，看看上面的评论。


@ElectronicHoneydew86
F/A-18 and F/A-18E/F kind of vibes

有点像F/A-18和F/A-18E/F的感觉


@turtles0987654321
Is the nose bigger on the 15T?

15T的机头（前端）更大吗？


@ZTyoho
They are same size. The two aircraft have a subtle angle difference, and then the effect of perspective under ultra-telephoto lenses will be very weak. If two obxts that are almost the same visually large, you will instinctively feel that the one behind a bit larger.

它们大小是一样的。只是两架飞机之间有一个细微的角度差，而且在超远摄镜头下，透视效果会非常弱。如果有两个看起来几乎一样大的物体，你本能上会觉得后面的那个稍微大一些。


@Busy_Arm930
The sharks look cool, anyone know if it has any meaning/unit id?

这些鲨鱼看起来很酷，有人知道它们有什么含义或者编号吗？


@sli9htdream
J15 aka flying shark 

J15，也叫做飞鲨


@Novel_Toe_9235
I am in love with china even tho I am from india. Coz china is what I wanted my country to be like. Atleast someone is living the dream. China truely has almost perfect flankers.

我非常喜欢中国，虽然我是印度人。因为中国正是我希望我的国家成为的样子。至少有人正在实现这个梦想。中国的战斗机真的接近完美。


@AccomplishedCover689
Oh boy the J15 is already a really big aircraft for naval aviation and by the looks of it, the J15T are longer and (possibly) had bigger wings

天啊，歼-15本来就是海军航空兵中体型非常大的飞机了，而且看起来歼-15T机身更长，机翼也可能更大。


@SigmaBattalion
Awesome

画面太棒了


@LP_lix
It's a pity that Russian built the Su-27s then the Chinese just copy the design and named it differently. Edit: i know this sub is crawling with Chinese bots. But i dont know this many. LOL. Fcku you Chinese bots

很遗憾，苏联造了苏-27，中国直接抄了设计，还换了名字。我知道这里有很多中国水军，但没想到有这么多，哈哈。XX你们，中国水军


@Kaka_ya
the same level of pity that the soviet develop the theory of radar evasion but the America just copy and use it.

就像苏联开发了雷达规避理论，但美国只是照搬并使用一样，这种情况也让人感到同样的遗憾。


@54H60-77
Im not sure thats accurate. The F-117's shape and design were in fact a result of a Lockheed engineer coming across an old soviet paper regarding deflection of EM energy based on shape. But Lockheed had to design and build an entire aircraft from that concept, and shape isnt the only thing that made it stealthy, there were also coatings that had to be developed, not copied. That is not at all comparable to the Chinese taking an already flying airplane and heavily modifying it with locally made electronics. Even the engines are based on a reverse engineered GE core that was never licensed to be produced. I think a better example is the Martin B-57, which is a licensed copy of the English Electric Canberra, with locally made electronics and later, US built engines.

我觉得你说得并不准确。F-117的外形设计确实是洛克希德工程师偶然看到一篇关于根据外形折射电磁能量的苏联论文后受到启发而来的，但洛克希德是根据这个理念自行设计、制造出整架飞机的。而且F-117的隐身不仅仅靠外形，还有他们自己研发的涂层技术，这些都不是抄袭来的。这和中国拿现成的飞机进行大幅改装，并用国产电子设备代替的做法完全不一样。甚至连发动机也是基于逆向工程，并且根本没有得到授权生产，更不能相提并论。我觉得更合适的例子是马丁B-57，那是英制电气坎培拉的授权生产版，采用了国产电子设备和后续美国自产的发动机。


@Kaka_ya
Copying the theory is copying if you really want to argue. I am not talking about the whole F117 as well.
Honestly I am not blaming USA in this case. It is just normal to use the existing technology. There is nothing pity at all. The only pity is that soviet fail in any further development of their own technology in both cases.

如果你硬要争论的话，照搬理论当然算是抄袭，我也不是在说整个F117。
坦率地讲，这种情况下我并不怪美国，使用现有技术本来就是很正常的事，没什么可惜的。唯一可惜的是苏联在这两种情况下都没能继续发展自己的技术。


@54H60-77
They didnt copy a theory. Lockheed took what was a theory, and applied it to a then non existant technology. The original Soviet paper had an idea, which was basically how a shape can redirect EM energy. It had nothing to do with aerospace at all, a wayward engineer came across the paper and thought it might have an application for an aircraft, this is not the same thing as J-15/Su-27.
Also, the original paper was a public document in a peer reviewed journal.

他们并没有抄袭某个理论。洛克希德公司是把一个理论应用到了当时还不存在的技术上。苏联的那篇原始论文只是提出了一个想法，主要是关于某种形状如何改变电磁能量的传播方式，和航空航天完全没关系。后来有个工程师偶然看到这篇论文，才想到或许可以应用在飞机上，这跟J-15或苏-27的情况完全不同。
另外，那篇原始论文是公开发表在经过同行评审的期刊上的。