沙特人即将到中国旅游，想了解中国人对沙特人的看法。网友回复：从我的中国朋友那得知，他们觉得沙特人就像“金主爸爸”

From few Chinese friends I know that they perceived as rich daddies ⏤ by Most-Cap5385(19

从我认识的几个中国朋友那儿得知，他们觉得沙特人就像“金主爸爸”

Assalamualaikum. All I want to say is...have fun lol.To me you guys are cool and rich .BTW If you ever visit Guangzhou, don't forget to stop by at 光塔寺, AKA Masjid Huaisheng. This is the OLDEST mosque in China with a history of 1300 years. ⏤ by Fc1145141919810(14

阿萨拉姆阿来库姆！只想说……玩得开心就好（笑）。对我来说，你们又酷又有钱。顺便说一句，如果你有机会去广州，一定别错过光塔寺，也叫怀圣寺。这是中国最古老的清真寺，有1300年的历史！

That sounds extremely interesting I will add it to my itinerary. I googled it and it looks absolutely
That is as old as Islam, the timeline sounds.... unlikely lol ⏤ by MmmIceCreamSoBAD

听起来太有意思了，我一定加入行程！我查了下照片，看起来确实……不过这和伊斯兰教本身的历史一样长啊，这时间线听起来……不太可能吧（笑）。

Arabs were already actively trading with China at the time of Muhammad and there were Muslims in China [within a few decades of the start of Islam]. Guangzhou was a major port and one of the most prominent trading posts. The dating of the this mosque is "legendary" and the exact establishment is debated, but Islam in China is pretty much "as old as Islam". ⏤ by blorg(3

在穆罕默德还在世时，阿拉伯人就已活跃于与中国的贸易。伊斯兰教传入中国，大约是在它诞生后几十年内完成的。广州作为重要港口，是中外贸易的枢纽之一。虽然这座清真寺“1300年历史”的说法是带有传奇色彩的，确切建造时间有争议，但“伊斯兰教在中国几乎与伊斯兰教本身一样古老”这一说法还是有一定根据的。

I realize they were trading and official contact between China and the Muslim world was a few decades after Muhammad (PBUH) died. But Muhammad (PBUH) was alive 1400 years ago. Saying a mosque in China is >1300 years old is.... unlikely, to say the least. Muslim communities formed over the next 150-200 years but saying 1300 years is quite specific. The timeline just doesn't make sense to me, I doubt there were enough Muslims to be building a mosque that would have withstood the test of time in China over 1300 years ago. Especially since so little historical buildings have survived at all in China since they built out of wood and had lots of wars where cities were burned to the ground constantly.Like that would be a top 10 oldest mosque still in use. In China of all places? Like itd be nice if it was true but I just doubt it, historically speaking. ⏤ by MmmIceCreamSoBAD

我理解当时确实有贸易往来，中国与伊斯兰世界的正式接触是在穆罕默德去世后几十年。不过穆罕默德是1400年前的人，说一座中国的清真寺有1300年历史……很难令人信服。穆斯林社群是在接下来150-200年才逐渐成形的，1300年这个数字太具体了。而且考虑到中国的历史建筑多为木结构，战乱频繁，留存至今的极少。如果这是真的，它将是全球最古老的在用清真寺之一。能是真的当然很好，但从历史角度讲，我很怀疑。

As a rule, stuff that is "1,300 years old" in China doesn't mean the actual physical building is 1,300 years old, or exactly as it was then, but that there was a historical building there which it has continuity with. Buildings are continually maintained and renovated. This particular mosque was rebuilt in 1350 then again in 1695 after being destroyed in a fire, and the prayer hall in 1935, so the building isn't 1,300 years old.1,300 years is a "legendary" date, it is possible it dates to a few centuries later.The Great Mosque of Guangzhou, known also as Huaisheng Mosque (Memorial of the Holy Prophet) or the Guangta Mosque (Light Tower Mosque), is thought to be the earliest surviving mosque in China and has the earliest freestanding minaret in China. Manuscxts from 1206 claim that the mosque was built by an uncle of the Prophet, Abi Waqqas, on the first Muslim mission to China in the 630s. However, it is more certain that a mosque was first built here during the Tang Dynasty, or in the early years of the Song Dynasty. The mosque was entirely rebuilt in 1350 during the Yuan dynasty under the rule of Zhizheng (1341-1368), and rebuilt again in 1695 under Emperor Kangzi of the Qing dynasty, after being destroyed in a fire.⏤ by blorg

在中国，所谓“有1300年历史”的建筑，往往不意味着现存的物理结构就是1300年前建的，而是这块地上最初建了这样一座建筑，后人不断修缮与重建，延续至今。这座清真寺曾在1350年重建，1695年在火灾后又重建，1935年又重建了祈祷大厅，所以目前的建筑并非原物。广州的这座清真寺又名怀圣寺或光塔寺，被认为是中国现存最早的清真寺，拥有中国最早的独立宣礼塔。1206年的手稿称该寺由穆罕默德的叔叔瓦卡斯在公元630年代首次赴中传教时建造。不过，较为可靠的说法认为它建于唐代，或最早在宋代初年。此后经历过数次重建。

That would make more sense. I realize for some stuff this old it's a 'claim' or that there's the paradox of the ship (if you replace every plank over time is it the same ship?).I'm sure it's historically significant I'm just saying 1300 years (even if the building has been replaced multiple times) would make it VERY old in the context of Islamic history. Like decades off from the black mosque in Mecca you see Muslims doing the Hajj around (that Muhammad PBUH himself lived in) . ⏤ by MmmIceCreamSoBAD(2

这样就说得通了。确实，关于这种历史悠久的建筑很多都是“传说版本”，也可以理解为“忒修斯之船悖论”——如果你逐渐替换了整艘船的每一块木板，它还算是原来的那艘船吗？我当然承认这座清真寺有重要的历史地位，只是单纯觉得1300年这个具体数字有点夸张——那几乎和麦加黑石清真寺差不多年代了，那可是穆罕默德亲自参与的清真寺。

I honestly don't want to be mean but...when we Tang Dynasty Chinese were trading with Arab Muslims, what were you medi Europeans even doing? I don't think it is appropriate for you to question the histories of the two great civilizations. Sorry bud. I was trying to be polite but I feel like I have to let it out. ⏤ by Fc1145141919810(3

我本不想不客气……但你知道唐代中国人已经和阿拉伯穆斯林做生意的时候，你们中世纪欧洲人还在干嘛吗？我本来是想客气点的，但现在真的忍不住要说出来。两大文明的历史，不是随便就能质疑的

You are very rude, blocked.I'm not questioning any civilization I'm questioning the history of a single building. ⏤ by MmmIceCreamSoBAD(-2

你太没礼貌了，我拉黑你了。我质疑的是一座建筑的历史，不是任何文明。

Bro...have you ever heard of the Maritime Silk Road? Do you know how many Arab Muslims stayed in Guangzhou during Tang Dynasty? It’s one of the oldest mosques in China, built by Arab traders and travellers along the Maritime Silk Road. The mosque’s iconic minaret even served as a lighthouse for Persian & Arab ships. Chinese records such as the Old Book of Tang, Guangzhou Chronicles, and the diaries of Muslim travellers (Sulayman’s Voyage, 851 AD) also confirm its existence. Even UNESCO recognizes its significance. Denying its age is like denying Rome’s Colosseum was built by the Romans... it's just embarrassingly wrong.Edit: oh and this one too Hugh R. Clark "Muslims and Hindus in the Culture and Morphology of Quanzhou from the Tenth to the Thirteenth Century" ⏤ by Fc1145141919810(2

兄弟……你听说过“海上丝绸之路”吗？你知道唐代有多少阿拉伯穆斯林留在广州吗？这座清真寺正是阿拉伯商人和旅行者沿海上丝路建立的，它的宣礼塔甚至曾被用作波斯和阿拉伯船只的灯塔。中国史料如《旧唐书》《广州志》以及穆斯林旅行家的记载（如苏莱曼的《851年航海记》）都确认了它的存在。**联合国教科文组织（UNESCO）**也承认其历史意义。否认它的历史地位就像否认罗马斗兽场是罗马人建的一样……简直令人尴尬。补充：可参考 Hugh R. Clark 的研究《十至十三世纪泉州的穆斯林与印度教徒文化形态》。

No Islam is over 1400 years old ⏤ by Aggorf12345

伊斯兰教确实已经1400多年历史了。
There's a Chinese saying about Arabs from recent years: "头上顶块布，全球我最富"

Roughly translates to: "Cloth on my head, I am the richest on Earth." ⏤ by musapher(9

近些年中国人对阿拉伯人的一种说法是：“头上顶块布，全球我最富。”

Hahahaha that's funny truly. ⏤ by omeero90(2

哈哈哈，太搞笑了，确实。

If you ask the average Chinese person, they'd probably say "Rich people, filthy rich..." and also, hardcore Muslims. Though most regular folks don't understand the difference between Sunnis and Shias - I'm not googling it right now but I think Saudi is Sunni? If you ask people who are into politics and history, they'd mention the war over a thousand years ago where China lost Central Asia. But relations have been peaceful ever since. ⏤ by Sorry_Sort6059(8

如果你去问普通中国人，他们大概会说“有钱人，超级有钱……”另外，大家也觉得沙特人是那种非常虔诚的穆斯林。当然，一般人其实并不了解逊尼派和什叶派的区别——我没查但印象中沙特是逊尼派吧？
如果你去问那些对政治和历史感兴趣的人，他们可能会提到中国在一千多年前的中亚战争中失败的那一段历史。但自那之后中沙关系一直算和平。

Arabs didn't hold that long in Central Asia either. The Tibetans took over followed by the Turkic folks.
I guess the only legacy left by the Arabs in Central Asia is the religion. ⏤ by Fc1145141919810(4

不过阿拉伯人在中亚的统治也没有维持太久，后来是藏人、突厥人接管了。阿拉伯人在中亚留下的唯一遗产，大概也就是宗教了。

There are two types of people in Saudi: rich people and super rich people.The Saudis has nothing else but money ⏤ by Junior_Injury_6074(5

沙特人分两种：有钱人，和超级有钱人。沙特除了钱什么都没有。

False we also have an abundance of sand and heat ⏤ by omeero90(4

错了，我们还有很多沙子和热浪。

The top does, not everyone lol ⏤ by Due_Capital_3507(3

中国人主要是对“顶层”沙特人有印象，不是所有人啦（笑）。

People can't tell nationalities, so depending on how you look, they may think you are Arab, Indian, Persian, or even White.In big cities, people may give you a look or two, but generally, no one will care much. People could even come up and help you without being asked (that'll depend on your luck though).In smaller cities, you'll be the centre of attention, but most people don't go to small Chinese cities when visiting China. ⏤ by Putrid_Line_1027(5

大多数人其实分不清国家身份。你长得像什么，就会被认为是什么 —— 阿拉伯人、印度人、波斯人、甚至白人。在大城市可能有人多看你一眼，但基本没人会太在意。运气好还会有人主动帮你。但在小城市，你可能会成为“焦点”，不过一般游客也不会去那些地方。

I'm staying in a near by country at the moment and I'm still getting used to differentiating nationalities "still not very good at it" so no judgment from me. I think it's absolutely normal that people can't tell if they're not exposed to it constantly. ⏤ by omeero90(2

我现在在邻国，自己都还没学会分辨各国人，“水平还很差”，所以不会对别人做判断。我觉得这很正常啦，如果你平时没接触这些国家。

Pretty good vibe i think ⏤ by fluffybamf(3

我觉得总体印象还是挺正面的。

rich and religious police with sticks.oh and those police cars ⏤ by lokbomen(3

“有钱的宗教警察，还有他们那些警车。”

What are "those police cars" I'm genuinely intrigued. ⏤ by omeero90(2

他们的警车怎么了？我真心好奇。

Im guessing the stereotype came from those police supercars in Dubai. ⏤ by OneTwoThreeFoolFive(2

估计你说的是迪拜的超级跑车警车那种。

yeah tbh i still cant tell any of the nations in middle east apart just from map yet. ⏤ by lokbomen

对，说实话我现在都还分不清中东国家的地理位置。

apart from money or oil, not much else. no opinions on religion, culture, or politics. Ur starting as a clean slate basically ⏤ by stonk_lord_(2

除了钱和石油，其他我没什么印象……宗教、文化、政治我也不了解。你算是一张干净的白纸。

Amazing that's so refreshing tbh. ⏤ by omeero90(2

太棒了，说实话这样挺令人耳目一新的（笑）。

a rich buddy. we hope u can buy more more more ⏤ by Yunwuliaorao(2

一个“有钱的朋友”。我们希望你能多多购物、多多买买买！

Well I'm a student so I don't think I'll buy much but I'm planning on shopping lol. ⏤ by omeero90(2

哈哈我还在读书，所以估计买不了什么，但购物我肯定会的！

If you’re strict about your diet you might need to make your dining plans in advance. ⏤ by Cuppa-Tea-Biscuit(2

如果你对饮食比较讲究，可能要提前规划吃饭的地方。

Dress like one. You will be royalty. ⏤ by DrCalFun(2

穿得像个沙特人，你会被当“王子”一样对待。

Lol imagine if I did that so cringe-worthy ⏤ by omeero90

哈哈想想就尴尬，太中二了吧。

Don’t worry at all. They’ll love you. ⏤ by thedalailamma(2

别担心，他们一定会很欢迎你的。

No bad opinion. You might be viewed as super rich. Just make sure to brush up a bit Mandarin if you are venturing outside big cities. ⏤ by Horror_Cry_6250(2

大家对你印象可能就是“超级有钱”。如果你要去大城市之外的地方，最好提前学点中文。

You’re asking the internet savvy crowd here. Depending on where you go, the majority might not know what Saudi Arabia is. And you may get mistaken for being a “westerner” or American/European.
On the off chance they do, all they think is you’re rich. That may be a good or bad thing. ⏤ bY LEEgiovanni(4

你现在是在问一群上网用户的意见啦。但在你去的地方，大多数人可能甚至不知道“沙特阿拉伯”是哪个国家。
也可能有人会以为你是“西方人”或者美欧人士。如果他们知道你来自沙特，那印象多半就是“你很有钱”。这可能是好事，也可能是坏事。

Pardon me, but even a middle-schooler in China could locate Saudi Arabia on a map...unlike some certain nation(s) where geography is optional and ignorance is bliss. Just saying. ⏤ by Fc1145141919810(8

打扰一下，就算是中国初中生也能在地图上找到沙特……不像某些国家，地理只是“选修课”，无知被当成福气（笑）。

Yeah I'm not delusional enough to think my country is the center of the world to be known globally by every person, but I know it's a topic of discussion. I don't think I'm light skinned enough to be considered "westren" but according to people I may be a little ethnically ambiguous. ⏤ by omeero90(2

我没那么天真，不会觉得我的国家是“世界中心”，每个人都该知道。但我知道这确实是个容易引发讨论的话题。我皮肤不够白，不会被误认成“西方人”，但有人说我有点民族特征模糊（笑）

Chinese girls love arabs. Have a good time ⏤ by janopack(3

中国妹子很喜欢阿拉伯人。祝你玩得开心！

they expect you to spit out gold along the way. ⏤ by [dexed]

大家会觉得你“走路都会掉金子”。

Very very rich muslim friends ⏤ by groovyoung

“超级有钱的穆斯林朋友”——印象基本就这样。

In my view, Saudi Arabia is a stable and long-term partner, that's it. In the Middle East, Saudi Arabia seems to be the most worthwhile country to do business with. When China was poor, we completed an arms order, and the money from Saudi Arabia helped our country's development. As a Chinese, the only thing I am curious about is the education method within the Saudi royal family. Many Saudi crown princes seem to be more shrewd and full of wisdom, but as we all know, money breeds laziness, which does not seem to work in Saudi Arabia. ⏤ by SeniorTomatillo7669

在我看来，沙特是一个稳定而长期的合作伙伴，就这样。在中东，沙特算是最值得合作的国家。当年中国还很贫穷时，我们完成了一笔军火交易，沙特的钱对我们的发展很重要。作为中国人，我唯一好奇的是沙特皇室内部的教育方式。很多沙特王储看起来都很聪明、有远见，但众所周知，金钱容易滋养懒惰，这点在沙特似乎并不成立。

Rich Oil Exporter, Also let me remind you that possession of drugs in China is a felony just like in Saudi Arabia, so don't do it, several foreigners who don't understand this have been sentenced to prison and even death for it. ⏤ by cordis000

沙特是“富裕的石油出口国”。另外提醒一下：中国持有毒品和沙特一样是重罪，千万别碰。有些外国人不懂规则，结果被判监禁甚至死刑。

Never ever, I'm all for respecting the rules ⏤ by omeero90

绝不可能，我一向尊重法律

Shanghai Hangkui Machinery Trading Co. Ltd is the biggest scammers in Shanghai, they are not selling excavators or machinery, They put some machines on display to Scam International customers. Be Aware and DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM THESE SCAMMERS. The owner of the company is the biggest Scammer named Martin Chen and his partner Emma is fooling people by sending fake machines videos and pictures. So many people complained that they received deposit against heavy machinery and not responding. Our company paid deposit of 28,000$ against 2 Komatsu machines for over a month, When we dig more on internet about this company we found that this is very common practice for them to scam international customers. They have account on Alibaba but they do not deal through Alibaba by making false stories. Please spread this to save more people from them. They have very structured set up in Shanghai to Scam people. ⏤ by Crazy-Letterhead8492

警告：中国上海的“上海航魁机械贸易有限公司”是骗子公司。他们假装卖挖掘机和工程设备，展示一些机器来骗国际客户。老板叫 Martin Chen，和搭档 Emma 会发一些假视频和照片骗定金。我们公司被骗了 2 台小松机器的 28000 美元定金。他们在阿里巴巴有账号，但不通过平台交易，请大家注意，不要被骗！

Rich and stupid. Watch out for scams.Also girls would want to marry you ⏤ by bathroomdestoryer

沙特人=又有钱又傻。小心诈骗。而且很多女生会想嫁给你。

Seeing alot of people respond with 'rich' like it's a positive trait. Yes, saudis are materially wealthy but spiritually they are absolutely bankrupt. They're incapable of producing any sort of high culture or art and just exist to enjoy materialistic pleasures. ⏤ by RD__Society

看到这么多人把“有钱”当好事……是的，沙特人是物质富有，但精神上完全破产。他们几乎无法创造真正的文化或艺术，只是活在享乐主义里。

The memes are rich and stupid. Like Saudi just throw money at any problem instead of trying to solve it themselves. ⏤ by arstarsta

这些段子说沙特人只会“用钱砸问题”，不解决问题。

What's wrong with using money to make things go away, everyone with money does that. ⏤ by omeero90(2

有钱解决问题，有什么不好？每个有钱人都这么干吧？

It depends on how you got the money. If you got the money from winning the oil lottery then you aren't rich from skills but just lucky.It's also about ability. Like you know how to drive but are rich enough for a chauffeur vs you can't even drive. ⏤ by arstarsta

关键看你钱怎么来的。如果是“中了石油彩票”，那靠的不是能力，而是运气。还要看你有没有能力，比如：你会开车但请得起司机 vs 你连车都不会开。

Isn't all about luck! Without it you don't have the assets. How you cultivate that luck and grow it is the true test of skill. ⏤ by omeero90(2

光靠运气还不够，没有资产你连赌的资格都没有。真正的本事是，看你怎么利用“运气”并让它持续带来回报。

Yes but what have Saudi actually achieved outside of selling oil? Do you invest the money to create any companies like Coca cola, Google, Siemens or Huawei? ⏤ by arstarsta

是啊，但除了卖石油，沙特实际上还成就了什么？你们有没有拿这些钱去创办什么像可口可乐、谷歌、西门子或者华为那样的公司？”

Well I'm not knowledgeable about these things but tell me if you had the number one sought after resource that wars is waged around wouldn't you build your economy around it? Invest in it in every shape or form?Especially that you're a baby country that started from scratch and made itself in less than 100 years? I don't know about you but from a desolate desert to a thriving economy in that time frx I call it a success. ⏤ by omeero90(3

“我对这方面了解不多，但你告诉我：如果你掌握了一个全球争抢、引发战争的头号资源，难道你不会围绕它构建你的经济？不会用各种方式投资、利用它？尤其你是一个几乎从零开始的年轻国家，在不到100年的时间里把自己发展成今天这样？我不知道你怎么看，但从一片荒漠到如今的繁荣经济体，我觉得这就是一种成功。”