与其他国家(尤其是中国)相比,日本是否仍然被视为领先的经济强国?哪些因素促成了这一点?
Is Japan still considered a leading economic power compared to other countries, particularly China? What factors contribute to this?
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与其他国家(尤其是中国)相比,日本目前是否仍被视为领先的经济强国。
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I’ve worked in Japan and their manufacturing efficiency and competence is beyond what America can provide. Also, its modern infrastructure is far more advanced than the 19th century infrastructure of the US. When comparing how Japan’s economy benefits its citizens here is a good comparison.
我曾在日本工作过,他们具备的制造业效率和能力是美国所无法比拟的。此外,其现代基础设施也比美国的19世纪基础设施先进得多。在比较日本经济如何惠及公民时,这里有一个很好的对比。
The number of hours of work in a week at minimum wage that will allow somebody to escape poverty. In Japan workers will escape poverty, unlike in the US which ranks dead last. America is an undeniably cruel nation.
在最低工资水平下,需要工作多少个小时才能让一个人摆脱贫困。在日本,工人可以摆脱贫困,而美国则排名垫底。美国无疑是一个残酷的国家。
I’ve worked in Japan and their manufacturing efficiency and competence is beyond what America can provide. Also, its modern infrastructure is far more advanced than the 19th century infrastructure of the US. When comparing how Japan’s economy benefits its citizens here is a good comparison.
我曾在日本工作过,他们具备的制造业效率和能力是美国所无法比拟的。此外,其现代基础设施也比美国的19世纪基础设施先进得多。在比较日本经济如何惠及公民时,这里有一个很好的对比。
The number of hours of work in a week at minimum wage that will allow somebody to escape poverty. In Japan workers will escape poverty, unlike in the US which ranks dead last. America is an undeniably cruel nation.
在最低工资水平下,需要工作多少个小时才能让一个人摆脱贫困。在日本,工人可以摆脱贫困,而美国则排名垫底。美国无疑是一个残酷的国家。

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Gongen Kitagawa I’m not sure how exactly to define poverty, but the minimum wage in Japan is 1,054 yen per hour, which is about $7.28. If you work 14 hours a week—around 56 hours a month—you’d earn only about 60,000 yen (roughly $414), which makes it very hard to live on. Even if you work 200 hours a month at minimum wage, you’d make about 215,000 yen. That might be enough to survive, but it’s still a life of poverty.
我不太清楚如何准确定义贫困,但日本的最低时薪为1,054日元,约合7.28美元。如果你每周工作14小时——合大约每月56小时——你只能赚到大概60,000日元(约414美元),这点钱很难维持生活。即使你按最低工资标准每月工作200小时,也只能赚到约215,000日元。这也许足以生存,但仍是一种贫困的生活状态。
Rahmad Pratama I would say agree and disagree, i m agree with an example that u say, but what i would disagree is many countries doesnt have good and fair system to provide people escaping poverty. I lived in indonesia, almost all of South East asia (except Singapore and malaysia) doesnt have fair system, u can go work all day, 32hours/week, and only get paid $2–$5/day and thats not even enough to provide healthy foods and many basic needs, and the saddest part is, with $100/month, some family members live with 2/3 kids and unemployed partner
我既同意也不同意你的观点。我同意你举的例子,但我不同意的是,很多国家并没有建立良好和公平的制度来帮助人们摆脱贫困。我生活在印尼,几乎整个东南亚地区(除新加坡和马来西亚外)都没有公平的制度——你可以选择工作一整天,也可以选择每周工作32小时,只拿2到5美元的日工资,这点收入甚至连支付健康的食品和满足其他基本生活需求都难以做到。最可悲的是,有些家庭每月只有100美元的微薄收入,却要养活两个或三个孩子和一个失业的伴侣。
Can Altınay Oh, boy. When I saw my country between Japan and UK, I immediately thought about this must be one of those wonderful soap operas where all people drives super luxurious cars and living in mansions . Facts are;
天哪。当我看到我的国家排在日本和英国之间时,我立刻想到这可能是某场精彩的肥皂剧,里面每个角色都开着豪华车、住着豪宅。现实却是:
Economy is under great pressure because between 12 to 15 million people (Syrians, Afghans, Iraqis, Iranians and from African countries) who either dumped from Europe or crossed border mostly illegally. Well, it looks like as if someone really wants to mess up demography of a country with population of 86mil. Maybe president noticed how he became so unpopular in last decade and wanted to import co-dependent population for himself ? net income of a person working with minimum wage is 565usd.
整个国家的经济面临巨大压力,因为有1200万到1500万的总人口(其中包括了来自叙利亚、阿富汗、伊拉克、伊朗和非洲国家的移民)他们要么从欧洲被“倒卖”,要么通过非法越境进入土耳其。看起来就像有人真的想故意搞乱一个人口只有8600万的国家的人口结构。或许我们的总统现在意识到他在过去十年间已经变得多么不受欢迎,于是想要为自己进口一些仰其鼻息生存的族群?
data shows around 50% of Turkish workforce is working for minimumum wage. For making all these numbers more understandable let me add one bedroom apartment rent (in outskirts of İstanbul with not very respectable neighborhood) would be around 400 usd. So you left with hefty sum of 165usd for paying utilities, buying food, paying for transportation, school expenses (if you have kids), after all that you can use rest of the money for partying
一名领取最低工资的劳动者净收入为565美元。数据显示,约有50%的土耳其劳动力从事支付最低工资的工作。为了让这些数字更容易理解,我在伊斯坦布尔郊区租一间条件一般的单间公寓大概需要400美元。那么剩下的只有165美元用于支付水电费、购买食物、支付交通、子女教育等费用(如果你有孩子的话),之后还剩下的那部分钱才能被用来娱乐消费。
Same In the US, Execpt you see them paying cash with 100 dollar US bills and using government issued food stamp cards and WIC vouchers for their kids under 5 and mean while they are high end brand driving luxury cars. (esp. mexicans) from the neighboring boarder.They separate their cash transactions from government tax payer funded transactions. What a rip off to American Tax Payers. It's mind boggling, you do not see that with Canadians another neighboring boarder.
在美国情况也差不多,只是你会看到他们用100美元纸币付现金,同时使用政府发放的食品券和WIC代金券给5岁以下的孩子们买东西(尤其是墨西哥人),他们把现金交易和政府资助分开处理。这对美国纳税人来说简直是一场骗局。令人难以置信的是,这种情况在另一个邻国加拿大并不存在。
Tonye Clayton If this is correct, it makes me slightly happier to be British. We do somewhat poorly on many metrics. But as Torsten Bell - formerly, of the Resolution Foundation says, one thing we have done well is make life slightly less miserable for the lowest decile or two of income earners here over the last 15–20 years.
如果这是真的,那使我感到稍稍欣慰的是身为英国人。我们在很多指标上表现不佳。但正如前Resolution Foundation(英国著名智库机构)的Torsten Bell(该机构CEO)所说,我们做得不错的一件事是在过去15-20年里,让最低收入阶层的生活变得不那么痛苦了。 二、
Baby Smith No, Japan is no longer considered an economic power. In the 1980s an early 1990s, its electronic, automobile, shipbuilding and steel industries dominated and Japan became the second largest economy in the world. However, its electronic industry has now essentially disappeared, major car companies like Nissan is on the verge of bankruptcies and its shipbuilding and steel industries have declined into irrelevance. It did NOT find other industries to replace those that had declined. The only industry that still thriving in Japan today is its tourism and sex industry.
不,日本已不再被视为经济强国。在80年代和90年代初,其电子、汽车、造船和钢铁工业占据世界主导地位,日本一跃成为世界第二大经济体。然而,如今日本的电子产业基本上已经消失,主要汽车公司如日产正面临破产边缘,其造船和钢铁工业也已衰落至无关紧要的地位。它未能找到其他产业来替代那些衰退的产业。如今日本唯一仍在蓬勃发展的产业是其旅游业和S情产业。
所以到底发生了什么?
A major reason is Japanese culture - they wok towards attaining dominance and perfection and once they attained it, they STOP. AND that is what the Japanese did. They stop innovating and seeking ways to do better - in electronic stores in Japan, you can still buy brand new cassette recorders, video machines and Walkman. Consequently, countries like China came out with new and better ways to make things and create better products.
主要原因之一是日本文化:他们致力于实现主导地位和所谓的完美,一旦达到目标,他们就会原地踏步。而这正是这些年来日本人所做的。他们停止了创新和寻求更好的问题解决方案,在日本的电子商店里,你仍然可以买到全新的原装磁带录音机、录像机和随身听。与此同时,像中国这样的国家推出了用更好的生产方式生产的新的和更优质的产品。
The other major reason is the rise of China - like Europe and the United States, Japan could not compete with the singular focus, drive, efficiency and scale of China. Their companes could not compete, and choke off the funds for R&D, fell off into irrelevance.
另一个主要原因是中国的崛起:就像欧洲和美国一样,日本无法与中国这种具备独特专注力、驱动力、效率和规模的国家竞争。他们的公司竞争不过中国企业,导致研发资金被切断,最终走向没落。 三、
CED Concrete No.In early 2000s,Japan’s average person GDP almost as high as the US,and recent 10 years,because of the inside economy power failed in Japan and outside international industry movement you can find that Japan’s average person GDP even can't catch USA’s 50%,if consider CPI you'll find they almost stop and do nothing there for nearly 20 years. Different from that,China’s average person GDP rised nearly 10 times. Totally speaking,Japan almost lost any increase chance after they finished to be a rich small country
不完全是这样。在2000年代初,日本的人均GDP几乎和美国一样高。而最近10年,由于日本国内经济动力失效以及国际产业转移,你会发现日本的人均GDP甚至无法达到美国的一半。如果考虑消费物价指数(CPI),你会发现他们在将近20年里几乎停滞不前。与之形成鲜明对比的是,中国人均GDP增长了近10倍。总体而言,日本几乎失去了任何增长机会,因为他们已经走完了一个富裕小国发展全过程的闭环。
What's more,even in Japan’s peak period actually it's also can be only described as “One flag of leading economy powers”In Japan’s peak period there's also other industry superpower in the world. In 1980s,Japan got many light industry business but actually they are moved out industry from the US. Japan’s steel produce volume is only limited in 100 million tons per year,almost same volume like USSR,so Japan didn't created any achievement in a class by itself.
更重要的是,即使在巅峰时期,实际上日本也只能被称为"一个领先的经济大国"。在同时期,世界上还有其他工业强国。在1980年代,日本获得了很多轻工业业务,但实际上这些都是从美国转移过来的产业。日本的钢铁产量仅限于每年1亿吨左右,几乎与苏联相当,所以日本并没有创造出真正属于自己的成就。
Different from Japan,China use real estate to achieved unimaginable achievement when its industry came to superpower. China’s cement produce volume higher than 2.4 billion tons per year,which means 20 times of USSR's peak. And steel produce ability reached 1 billion tons per year,which 10 times of Japan’s peak. With those incredible heavy industry power China easily build over 1.1 million high rise buildings and monopolied over 90% structure market of the earth. China’s products are sold to anywhere of the earth,this kind of achievement will be remembered in human’s history that as heavy as 1st industry revolution in 1700s or the making fire technology be invented several dozen thousand years ago
与日本不同的是,中国通过地产和建筑等行业实现了难以想象的成就,其第二产业已具备超级大国的工业能力。中国的水泥产量超过每年24亿吨,这意味着是苏联巅峰时期的20倍。而钢铁生产能力达到了每年10亿吨,这是日本巅峰时期的10倍。凭借这种惊人的重工业实力,中国轻松建造了超过110万座高层建筑,并垄断了地球上90%的建筑市场。中国的产品销售到世界各地,这种成就将在人类历史上被铭记,其重要程度堪比18世纪的第一次工业革命或者几万年前人类发明用火一样。
China’s achievement even benefit Japan’s economy. After signed plaza agreement,Japan’s real estate which based on wooden single house was caught in long period drop,the only change point that stopped it's house price decrease is because China’s reinforced concrete frx shear wall high rise technology was been brought to Japan and help them build many TOD mansions and super tall apartments after 2010,and this stopped Japan’s real estate market continue drop. Japan need thank to China,who is leading economic power,you can already know
中国的成就甚至惠及日本经济。广场协议签署后,日本以木质单体房屋为主的房地产市场陷入长期下跌,唯一改变这一局面的转折点是因为中国的基于钢筋混凝土框架的剪力墙高层建筑技术被引入日本,这帮助他们在2010年后建造了许多TOD大厦和超高层公寓,这才阻止了日本房地产市场的持续下滑。日本应该感谢中国这个引领全球经济的大国,你现在应该明白了这一点。 四、
Hong Hwa Lee It is the fourth economy in the world. It is difficult to say that is irrelevant. On the hand, though, it was the second biggest not that far in the past, it has now been overtaken by Germany which has a much smaller population. It won’t be long before India overtakes it. In short, Japan’s relevance in the global economy is fast fading, and it is not likely to come back. That would be the case even if the Japanese economy is managed well, but that is definitely not the case.
日本是世界第四大经济体(第五),很难说它已经无关紧要了。不过另一方面,就在不太久远的过去,日本曾是世界第二大经济体,现在已经落后于德国,而德国的人口要少得多。很快,印度也将超过日本(已经被印度超过)。简而言之,日本在全球经济中的地位正在迅速削弱,而且不太可能重现昔日辉煌。即使日本经济运作良好,这种情况也可能难以改变,事实上日本经济显然并未得到很好的管理。
Are you kidding? The Chinese economy is about 4 times greater than that of Japan, and the gap is widening. Unless a major disaster strikes China, this trend is going to continue well into the future.
你在开玩笑吗?中国经济规模大约是日本的四倍,而且差距还在扩大。除非中国遭遇重大灾难,否则这种趋势在未来将继续下去。 五、
on Diplomacy & Warfare · The GDP of Japan is on 5th place. Chinas GDP is +4 times larger than Japan. Japan is a big power, but China is much bigger, and on a trajectory that will see it become even bigger. It is expected to overtake the US economy somewhere after 2030. But now, with the help of president Trump, it may go much faster.
日本的GDP排名第五。中国的GDP是日本的四倍多。日本是一个大国,但中国要强大得多,并且正处于使其变得更大的发展轨迹上。预计到2030年之后,中国经济将超过美国。但现在,在特朗普总统的帮助下,这一进程可能会更快。
The economy of Japan has stagnated since 1990. It’s currently on place 39 in GDP per capita in the world, while China is on place 75, but rising quickly. China has more potential to develop than Japan. But India has even greater potential, and already has larger economy than Japan.
自1990年以来,日本经济一直停滞不前。目前,日本在全球人均GDP排名中位于第39位,而中国排名第75位,数据显示其正在快速上升。中国比日本有更大的发展潜力。和日本相比,印度的发展潜力更大,而且其已经拥有比日本更大的经济体量。
Japan has a lower GDP than Germany, even though Germany (84Mn) have a smaller population than Japan(123Mn).
日本的GDP低于德国,尽管德国人口(8400万)比日本(1.23亿)要少得多。
Both have a problem with aging and shrinking populations, but Japan has it much worse with a top-heavy population pyramid.
两国都面临人口老龄化和萎缩的问题,但日本的情况要严重得多,其人口金字塔结构非常不合理。
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JI SHE Japan is only considered a partially leading country in East Asia.
日本目前仅被视为东亚地区,在部分领域内具备优势的领先国家。
Its per capita GDP is only $32,000, lower than South Korea (37,000), Hong Kong S.A.R (70,000), Macau S.A.R (80,000) and Taiwan Prov. (33,000) in East Asia.
日本人均GDP仅为32,000美元,低于韩国(37,000美元)、香港(特区)特别行政区(70,000美元)、澳门特别行政区(80,000美元)和台湾(地区)省(33,000美元)。
Of course, it is higher than China's $13,000, but China's GDP is nearly five times that of Japan, and the number of world-leading industries of China is far more than Japan.
当然,它高于中国的13,000美元,但中国的GDP总量几乎是日本的五倍,而且中国在世界上获得领先地位的产业数量远超过日本。
Japan still leads the world in automobile manufacturing industry , precision instruments and other fields, industrial mother machine, but has fallen behind China in the export volume of traditional automobiles, while its new energy vehicles have been completely crushed by China.,in the field of semiconductors, it has been surpassed by South Korea and Taiwan province, and is not as good as Hong Kong in international finance.
日本在汽车制造业、精密仪器、工业母机等领域目前仍处于全球领先地位,但在传统汽车的出口上已经落后于中国,特别是在新能源汽车领域甚至被中国同行彻底碾压。在半导体领域,已被韩国和台湾(地区)省超越,在国际金融方面也不如香港(特区)。
China is in a relatively leading position in all the industrial fields mentioned above (the most advanced technology in a single industrial field may lag behind Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan province, but its output accounts for 20%-70% of the world's total). In addition, China is also leading in new energy equipment (solar energy, wind energy), high-speed railways (Japan is also relatively strong), shipbuilding (South Korea is also relatively strong), engineering machinery (South Korea is also relatively strong), ultra-high voltage power transmission, quantum communications, drones, and many other fields that need no mention.
中国在上述所有工业领域中都处于相对领先地位(尽管在某些单一工业领域技术可能落后于日本、韩国和台湾(地区)省,但其产量占到全球总量的20%-70%)。此外,中国在新能源设备(太阳能、风能)、高速铁路(日本也相对较强)、造船(韩国也相对较强)、工程机械(韩国也相对较强)、特高压输电、量子通信、无人机等多个领域也都处于领先地位,这里不再赘述。
In areas such as intercontinental missiles, aerospace technology, internet technology and artificial intelligence technology, in which China is leading, Japan has no say at all.
在洲际导弹、航天技术、互联网技术和人工智能技术等领域,中国处于领先地位,而日本则毫无话语权。
The reason for this situation is that Japan's innovation system is rigid. The corporate system that once led the world in the era of mass production has now become a stumbling block to innovation. In addition, Japan has lost its competitiveness in the Internet era、the new energy era and the AI era due to strategic mistakes.
造成这一局面的原因是日本的创新体系僵化。曾经在大规模生产时代引领世界的公司制度,如今已成为其创新的绊脚石。此外,由于战略失误,日本在互联网时代、新能源时代和人工智能时代也失去了竞争力。
In addition, Japanese culture was once popular at the end of the last century, but was replaced by Korean Pop culture at the beginning of this century. Currently, Chinese, Japanese and Korean cultures compete with each other in different fields.
另外,日本文化曾在上世纪末流行一时,但在本世纪初被韩流文化取代。目前,中日韩文化在不同领域相互竞争。
Japan's military strength(navy and air force) has maintained a leading position in the last century, but it is currently probably on par with South Korea and far behind China.
日本的军事实力(海军和空军)在上个世纪保持领先,但目前可能与韩国相当,远落后于中国。 七、
on Diplomacy & Warfare · Japan's still a major economic player, but China's rise has changed the landscape. Japan's influence is significant, but it's not the powerhouse it once was compared to China. Japan is still A leading economic power, still number 4 by nominal measure, and number 5 by purchasing power parity. That’s still solidly in the rarified end of economic power.
日本仍然是重要的经济参与者,但中国的崛起改变了格局。日本的影响力依然显著,但它已不再是与中国相比的那个经济强国。日本仍是主要经济强国,名义GDP排名第四(第五,已被印度超过),按购买力平价计算排名第五。这仍然属于高端经济力量范畴。
but it should be pointed out Japan has fallen far in both ranking and absolute weight of economic power since the heady days of Japan Inc during the late 1980s, back then the Japanese economy was close to half the size of total U.S. economic by nominal measure. Last year Japanese economy fell below the economy of California by nominal measure. In the late 1980s the Japanese economy was approaching 15% of the world economy. Last year Japanese economy had fallen to 4 % of the world. In 1980s Japanese economy was far and away number 1 in Asia in PPP. last year it had fallen to a distant third.
但需要指出的是,自上世纪80年代“日本公司”鼎盛时期以来,日本在排名和经济实力的绝对比重上都大幅下滑。当时日本经济名义规模接近美国的一半。去年,日本经济甚至低于加利福尼亚州的经济规模。上世纪80年代,日本经济曾接近占全球经济总量的15%,而去年已下降至4%。在1980年代,日本在亚洲按购买力平价计算居首位,而去年已跌至第三位,被印度超越。 八、
Emi1 The Japanese do not consider themselves as the top economic leaders. Yet, it has some influences in the global economies.
日本人自己并不认为是全球经济的领导者。然而,它在全球经济中仍有一定影响力。
First, Japan is still one of most contributing countries among international organizations. Japan offers ODAs to many developing countries, after the US and China.
首先,日本仍是国际组织中最重要的捐助国之一,仅次于美国和中国。
Notably, Japan has much less political conflicts with many other countries, such as religiously and militarily. Japan has not sent troops overseas after World War II, except for non-military activities (e.g. UN Peace-Keeping-Operations to sweep mines or to pave roads in the post-war regions; disaster evacuations upon the requests of local governments).
值得注意的是,日本与其他许多国家在政治上的冲突较少,例如宗教和军事方面。二战后,日本除非战争军事活动(如联合国维和行动中扫雷或修建战后地区的道路;应当地政府请求进行灾难疏散)外,从未派遣军队出国。
In addition, Japan holds the most US treasuries, which is influential to the US economic policies.
此外,日本持有最多的美国国债,这对美国经济政策的制定和执行具有重要影响力。 九、
Gordon Bennett Of course it is still a world leading economy. It is a G 7 nation. In fact it was an original founding member in 1975 of what was then the G6 with Canada joining, and thus creating, the G7 a few years later.
当然,它仍然是世界领先的经济体之一。它是G7成员国。事实上,它是1975年G6(后来几年加拿大加入形成G7)的创始成员之一。