Reddit热帖：光纤覆盖在乌克兰希望的田野上

Iron_Wolf0251·2d ago
Aw sweet. Man made horrors
多么甜蜜。人为的恐怖

SuperTulle·2d ago
Within my comprehension   
在我的理解范围内

Royal-Doctor-278·1d ago
Each one of those lines is a dead or wounded soldier. Insane.
每一根线都是一个死去或受伤的士兵。疯狂。

nareikellok·1d ago
I think you might be overestimating their success rates.
我认为你可能高估了他们的成功率。

BradFromTinder·1d ago
Umm, naw not exactly. I think you might be severely overestimating the success of these drones.z
嗯，不完全是这样。我想你可能严重高估了这些无人机的成功。

Mainreset·2d ago
Looks like modern day equivalent of shell craters during WW1
看起来像是第一次世界大战时的弹坑的现代版本。

tightspandex·1d ago
We have those too.
我们也有这些。

TotallynotburntTroy·1d ago
More like the miles and miles of barbed wire during ww1
更像是第一次世界大战时绵延数英里的铁丝网

USSZim·1d ago
The cleanup after this war is going to be a massive undertaking
这场战争的清理工作将是一项艰巨的任务

Dank_Nicholas·7h ago
The horrible reality is that large parts of Ukraine are going to become off limits Red zones like the ones that still exist in France to this day.
可怕的现实是，乌克兰的大部分地区将变成禁区，就像法国至今仍然存在的那些红 色区域一样。
Unless there is a massive breakthrough in de mining technology it would take centuries to clear Ukraine even if the war ended and full efforts began today.
除非地雷清除技术取得重大突破，否则即使战争结束，从今天开始全力清理，清理 乌克兰也需要数百年。

USSZim·6h ago
Yeah it's terrible, since so much of Ukraine was great wheat farming land.
是啊，这太糟糕了，因为乌克兰有大量非常适合种植小麦的土地。

Pukit·2d ago
It looks quite serene, until you think each one of these strands could leak to a successful life taken, from either side, then it gets pretty harrowing pretty fast.
它看起来相当宁静，但当你想到每一根线都可能导致一条生命的逝去，无论从哪一边，情况很快就会变得非常可怕。

uid_0·1d ago
Webs from a fiber optic spider.
光纤蜘蛛的网。

backobmybs·2d ago
Could all this be repurposed or reused or recycled?
所有这些都能被重新利用或回收吗？

paxtonious·2d ago
Yes but you'll need to go to a war zone to collect it.
是的，但你需要去战区才能收集它。

69taco69·1d ago
Also the cost of mobilizing someone to spool up used wire would outweigh a new roll of cable lol
此外，派人去回收旧光纤所需的成本会超过购买新卷光纤的成本，哈哈

backobmybs·1d ago
Forever Winter vibes   
永恒的寒冬氛围

PlentyOMangos·1d ago
Lotta money in this shit
这里面有很多钱

Atomsk_12·1d ago
Oh yeah?   
哦，是吗？
Nod  
点头
"And I thought I would be bustin' my balls on this no-work job fo nothin' "
"我还以为我会在这份闲差上白费力气呢"

geschwader_geralt·1d ago
If I were to get philosophical, this has quite a bit of it.
如果我变得哲学起来，有相当一部分原因在这里。

Effective_Ebb_4482·1d ago
Can someone explain why is this dangerous? I have no clue.
有人能解释为什么这很危险吗？我完全不明白。

TheHancock·1d ago
The strings themselves are not inherently dangerous, however each one represents a drone that was used to kill someone.
这些线本身并不危险，但每一根线代表一架曾用来杀人的无人机。

Effective_Ebb_4482·1d ago
What does FPV mean? And also (last question I promise), are the cables just a representation of the killing or are they actively used with the drone to get the kill?
FPV 是什么意思？还有（我保证这是最后一个问题），这些线仅仅是杀戮 的象征，还是它们会与无人机一起被实际使用来杀人？

TheHancock·1d ago
While I will admit these are extremely basic questions that google could answer for you, I will answer them. Lol
虽然我承认这些问题非常基础，谷歌可以为你解答，但我还是回答一 下。哈哈
FPV: First Person View. You fly the drone with basically a VR helmet/goggles and you see what the drone sees.
FPV：第一人称视角。你戴着 VR 头盔/眼镜来驾驶无人机，看到无 人机所看到的一切。
Each of those wires is what was used to control the aforementioned FPV drone. So, to answer your question… yes.
每根线都是用来控制上述 FPV 无人机的。所以，回答你的问题…… 是的。
They might not literally represent a kill, but they were used to control the drone to try and kill someone. Some of those probably killed multiple people at once too.
它们可能并不真正代表击杀，但它们被用来控制无人机试图击杀某 人。其中一些可能一次性击杀了多人。

Effective_Ebb_4482·1d ago
Thank you for answering my questions
感谢您回答我的问题

malgenone·1d ago
This whole time I thought they were flying them wireless through satcom or something.
这整个时间我以为是它们通过卫星通信或其他方式无线飞行的。

tableball35·1d ago
Some are some aren’t. FOC/Physical Guidance are much harder to jam comparatively, but can be more limited in range and maneuvers, whereas wireless are easier to jam and trace the operators back to their position using SIGINT/EW stuff.
有些是，有些不是。光纤/物理引导相对来说更难被干扰，但范围和 机动性可能更有限，而无线方式更容易被干扰，并且可以使用信号情 报/电子战手段追踪操作员的位置。

Nameis-RobertPaulson·21h ago
Many were 'radio controlled' but jamming and interception of signals becomes a problem with the growing Electronic Warfare battle. They swapped to Fiber optics since it's proven tech with TOW missiles and unjammable.
很多是“遥控”的，但随着电子战战斗的升级，干扰和信号拦截成为一 个问题。它们改用光纤，因为TOW导弹已经证明光纤技术是不 可 干扰的。

Malganas·1d ago
How long are these cables? You would think that these drones are managed by pilots 100s of kilometers away.
这些线缆有多长？你会以为这些无人机是由数百公里外的飞行员操作。

TheHancock·1d ago
Nah, most FPV style drone only have like a max range of maybe 5km. It’s the new mortars, only a few hundred meters away.
不，大多数FPV类型的无人机最大射程可能只有5公里左右。那是一种新式迫击炮，只有几百米远。

mnotme·16h ago
The cable can be 20+ km long but a long cable = more weight = less payload.
这根线缆可以长达 20 多公里，但长线缆=更重=有效载荷减少。

SmokedBeef·1d ago
Essentially jamming and electronic warfare in this conflict peaked a while ago and now instead of relying on wireless control of drones exclusively, in some areas they use ultralight fiber optic wire to run between the drone and operator to ensure the drone makes it to the target successfully.
本质上，这场冲突中的干扰和电子战在一段时间前达到了顶峰，现在他们不再完全 依赖无线控制无人机，而是在某些区域使用超轻光纤线缆在无人机和操作员之间运 行，以确保无人机成功到达目标。

Hkonz·1d ago
Do both sides use them now? I remember at first, only Russians had these.
双方现在都使用吗？我记得一开始只有俄罗斯有这些。

SmokedBeef·1d ago
Yes, jamming is truly insurmountable in some locations and this is the only option. As far as timeline, I can’t tell when Ukraine started their own version of these tethered drones but it wasn’t long after Russia.
是的，在某些地点干扰确实难以克服，这是唯一的选择。至于时间线，我无法确定 乌克兰何时开始使用自己的有线无人机版本，但那是在俄罗斯之后不久。

DotDootDotDoot·1d ago
Radio signals are easily jammed. So when it's not possible to control the drone by radio, they use a cable. Optic fiber over normal copper cables is necessary to not have response delays that make controlling the drone difficult.
无线电信号很容易被干扰。所以当无法通过无线电控制无人机时，他们使用一根线 缆。与普通铜缆相比，使用光纤是必要的，可以避免响应延迟，以免让控制无人机 变得困难。

SongsAboutFracking·1d ago
I do not believe that is the case, copper wire and fiber optic fines have similar transmission speeds. It almost certainly instead due to bandwidth, weight and signal integrity, especially when considering that the length of the copper cable would essentially become an antenna, capable of emitting and receiving interference.
我不认为情况是这样，铜线和光纤的传输速度相似。几乎可以肯定是由于带宽、重 量和信号完整性，尤其是考虑到铜缆的长度实际上会变成一个天线，能够发射和接 收干扰。

Dragon029·1d ago
The fibre optic isn't used for latency; at these sorts of distances it's not discernable. Rather it's used for data throughput / signal integrity and mass (copper being a lot heavier than plastic or glass).
光纤不是用来减少延迟的；在这样距离下，延迟是不可察觉的。它主要是由于数据 吞吐量/信号完整性和重量（铜比塑料或玻璃重得多）。

MrSierra125·1d ago
First person view   
第一人称视角
No the cables jsut send signals to the drone
不是的，这些线缆只是向无人机发送信号

BradFromTinder·1d ago
I wouldn’t really go as far as to say each one represents a life lost. Infact, I would wager it’s far less than you would think.
我并不会真的说每一根线缆都代表一个生命的逝去。实际上，我敢打赌这远比你想象的 要少。

ppmi2·1d ago
FPVs are quadcopter drones controled with first person view gogles(Thats where FPV comes from), they get a warhead attached and are then rammed against the enemy or ussed to drop explosives, due to electronic warfare dropping radio controlled drones Russians and latter Ukranians started to control their own drones with a FO cable, the ones with FO are usually only ussed for kamikaze attacks.
FPV 是无线电遥控的四旋翼无人机，通过第一人称视角眼镜（这就是FPV的来源） 进行控制，它们可以安装战斗部，然后撞向敌人或用于投掷爆炸物。由于电子战，先是 俄罗斯后来是乌克兰开始使用光纤控制自己的无人机，而使用光纤的无人机通常只 用于自杀式攻击。

Effective_Ebb_4482·1d ago
Thanks for explanation   
感谢解释

_Fittek_·1d ago
Not so barbed wire
不太带刺的铁丝网

doogiethehead·1d ago
Ignorant and honest question, what’s the difference between the drones they were using early on compared to, “fiber optic” please and thank you
一个无知但诚实的问题，他们早期使用的无人机和“光纤”之间有什么区别，请谢谢

JangoDarkSaber·1d ago
Most drones communicate through rf. Its like talking to the drone.
大多数无人机通过射频通信。这就像和无人机对话。
Jamming is like screaming louder than the controller that’s talking so the drone can’t hear the legitimate instructions.
干扰就像比控制器喊得更响，这样无人机就听不到正确指令。
With fiber optic it’s like you got a 2 cups and a piece of string. You can talk directly. It doesn’t matter how loud the guy shouts cause it doesn’t matter anymore.
使用光纤就像你有了两个杯子和小段绳子。你可以直接对话。不管其它人喊得多响，都 不再重要了。

randyrandysonrandyso·1d ago
fiber optic just refers to the cable that is used to guide the drones. the difference between these and the earlier drones is the usage of a cable, which prevents jamming.
光纤指的是用来引导无人机的线缆。这些无人机和早期无人机的区别在于使用了线缆， 从而防止了干扰。

CharlieD00M·18h ago
Something tells me this will become an ecological problem in the not so distant future.
有一种预感，这将在不久的将来成为一个生态问题。

Hartzer_at_worK·18h ago
glas is inert. but broken down and ingested by the lokal fauna, maybe. not as bad as decaying, unexplodes explosives though...
玻璃是惰性的。但被当地动物分解并摄入，也许吧。虽然不如锈蚀的未爆炸弹药那么糟 糕...

-acm·12h ago
So you know the brass goblins you see at gun ranges scooping up the used casings? I wonder if there is any value in used fiber optic cables.
所以你知道在枪械射击场看到的那种捡拾弹壳的“黄铜地精”吗？我想知道废旧的光缆是否有任何价值。

DraveenLTU·10h ago
Fiber optic cable. High speed internet.
光缆。高速互联网。