为什么美国可能再次对加拿大木材征收关税？

@RahRan123
Canada needs to stop supplementing America for our premium lumber, high quality oil, and pure grade metals. Time to start charging American FREELOADERS the cost they deserve to pay! We need to open up trade to other nations that actually APPRECIATE what Canada has to offer!
 
加拿大需要停止为美国提供我们的优质木材、高质量石油和纯净金属。是时候开始让美国的“寄生虫”支付他们该付的费用了！我们需要向那些真正欣赏加拿大资源的国家开放贸易！
 
@psychoticbob
Well, instead of 30 homes you'll just have to make due with 2 homes and they'll cost a little more.
 
嗯，既然这样，你们就得将原本能建30个房子的预算，只建2个房子，而且还会贵一点。
 
@silkeotd7194
JUST BECAUSE the U.S. calls something a "subsidy" does NOT mean that it is.  Canada's forests are primarily on public land and are better and more efficiently managed.  Canada is actually a leader worldwide in forestry management in fact with the largest intact forest in the world to care for....  If the U.S. gets so much of its lumber from private land where they can charge any stumping fees they want and doesn't manage their forests as efficiently, that is NOT our problem and should not be blamed on us.  Just work on improving rather than trying to vilify other countries.  The U.S. has lost every time they've taken Canada to the WTO with these false charges but still they refuse to stop with the illegal tariffs.... (and this was before the current nonsense...)
 
仅仅因为美国称某些东西是“补贴”，并不意味着它真的是。加拿大的森林主要位于公共土地上，而且管理得更好、更高效。事实上，加拿大在全球森林管理方面处于领先地位，我们有世界上最大的完整森林需要照料……如果美国从私人土地获取大量木材，他们可以随意收取伐木费，而且没有像我们一样高效地管理森林，这不是我们的责任，也不该归咎于我们。美国应该更多地致力于改善自身，而不是一味抹黑其他国家。美国在世贸组织中每次控告加拿大这些虚假指控时都输了，但他们仍然拒绝停止这些非法的关税……（而且这还发生在当前这种局面之前……）
 
@pndrsb
The report fails to mention that every time Canada took the US to adjudication(eiither under NAFTA or WTO), Canada won but the US continues to ignore these decisions.
 
报告没有提到，每次加拿大将美国带到裁决机构（无论是根据NAFTA还是WTO），加拿大都赢了，但美国仍然忽视这些裁决。
 
@ritafoster4958
We have dragged the U.S. to the WTO courts for many years because of their unfair treatment around our softwood lumber. Every single time we won our cases against the U.S.- but they have refused to pay the fines amassed against them. They believe they are untouchable and can make up their own rules that the world must obey. Lately Canada has felt less and less willing to play by their rules. We don’t  manage our forests as they do, and so they say we are subsidizing our lumber unfairly. We don’t subsidize our lumber industry. Being located on Crown land does not mean it is subsidized. They refuse to listen and just keep slapping higher tariffs on our lumber. I desperately wish we could ship every exportable stick of lumber overseas and just stop supplying the U.S. permanently. They have no right to our softwood, let them live in tents.
 
我们多年来因为美国对我们的软木木材的不公平待遇将其告上WTO法庭。每一次我们都赢了案件，但美国拒绝支付他们所积累的罚款。他们认为自己是不可触碰的，可以制定世界必须遵守的规则。最近加拿大越来越不愿意按他们的规则行事。我们不像他们那样管理森林，所以他们说我们在不公平地补贴我们的木材产业。我们并没有补贴我们的木材产业。位于王室土地并不意味着它被补贴。他们拒绝倾听，只是一再加征更高的关税。我真希望我们能把所有可出口的木材送到海外，永远停止向美国供应。他们没有权利使用我们的软木木材，让他们去住帐篷吧。
 
@KurtQuad
Trump said the USA doesn't need anything from Canada, so this shouldn't be an issue. And what Trump says is the truth! You can take that to the Crypto.
 
特朗普曾说，美国不需要加拿大的任何东西，所以这不应该成为问题。而特朗普说的就是事实！你可以把这个带到加密货币去。
 
@tomvogele5070
Our family owns a small real estate investment an d development company in Virginia. We decided to convert four office buildings to apartments and build a five story addition using what’s called mass timber. Planning started in 2022, design and approvals ramped up in 2024, and we planned to break ground in 2025. Now that new lumber tariffs have been imposed, and interest rates remained high, we’re forced to postpone the project after investing hundreds of thousands of dollars in it. When Canadian lumber prices go up because of tariffs, American prices increase in lockstep. It is a myth that keeping out Canadian lumber will mean American producers will get the business because of price. Businesses raise prices to meet the market. No self-respecting American lumber CEO is going to hold down prices. We need to stop the madness and understand the way the economic world works.
 
我们家族在弗吉尼亚州拥有一家小型房地产投资和开发公司。我们决定将四栋办公楼改建为公寓，并建设一个五层的扩展，使用所谓的大宗木材。规划始于2022年，设计和批准工作在2024年加速，原本计划在2025年开工。现在，由于新的木材关税的实施，以及高利率的持续存在，我们被迫推迟这个项目，已经在其中投资了数十万美元。当加拿大木材价格因为关税上涨时，美国的价格也会同步上涨。认为阻止加拿大木材进入市场会使美国生产商得到生意的说法是错误的。企业会提高价格以适应市场。没有一个有自尊的美国木材公司CEO会压低价格。我们需要停止这种疯狂，理解经济世界的运作方式。
 
@AdrianLeeMagill
Canadian here.  The WTO has found our side of the argument legally valid.  The US has ignored the WTO.  Time to use the CPTPP and CETA to sell abroad.  The world is smaller thanks to better shipping.  Let's use it.  Elbows up!  ( I am from British Columbia.  We have plenty of timber that the world needs.)
 
我是加拿大人。世界贸易组织已经认为我们的立场在法律上有效。美国无视世界贸易组织的裁决。是时候利用CPTPP和CETA开辟海外市场了。借助更好的航运技术，世界变得更小了。我们要好好利用这个机会！加油！（我来自不列颠哥伦比亚省。我们有大量世界需要的木材。）
 
@johnbarron4713
Trump would tell this guy to eat the tariff, just like he did for Walmart.
 
特朗普会告诉这个人接受关税，就像他对沃尔玛说的那样。
 
@duelenigma7732
West coast Canadian . Getting jerked around by the US makes me believe we should send nothing and start fresh markets . Trump will make it all better , don't worry
 
我是西海岸的加拿大人。被美国摆布让我相信我们应该停止一切出口，开辟新市场。特朗普会让这一切变得更好，别担心。
 
@paulbickford8715
Lumber from Canada a risk to national security? I know Trump uses the 'national security' excuse to offer legal cover for some ridiculous tariffs, but for lumber to build homes? That's gone far beyond nonsense into the realm of the absurd.
 
加拿大木材对国家安全构成威胁？我知道特朗普用“国家安全”作为法律掩护，推出一些荒谬的关税，但为了建房子的木材？这已经超越了荒谬，进入了荒唐的领域。
 
@billlindsay9105
Ad to the fact that Canadian lumber is of a much higher quality than the faster growing US lumber!
 
再加上加拿大木材质量远高于美国那种生长更快的木材！
 
@timobrien2586
The construction industry just needs to give Trump a golden airplane and the tariffs will go away.
 
建筑行业只需要给特朗普一架金飞机，关税就会消失。
 
@dallasburgess5329
Don't worry about it.  They don't need anything from Canada.
 
别担心。他们根本不需要来自加拿大的任何东西。
 
@colingoldthorpe5918
Keep it All in Canada !! Oil, Gas, Wood, Power and all the critical minerals. Who is going to build all of your houses...You sent all the hard working immigrants home or threatened them with Jail terms. Good Luck USA !! very sad to see you go down this road, but you were warned and 70 million still voted for this outcome....
 
保持所有资源在加拿大！石油、天然气、木材、电力以及所有关键矿产。谁来建造你们的房子……你们把辛勤工作的移民赶走了，或者威胁他们监禁。祝你们好运，美国！！真让人难过看到你们走上这条路，但你们被警告过，70百万还是为这个结果投了票……
 
@dannelson6980
Good idea run up the costs of building materials  so we can double the price of housing again over the next 4-5 years. But that is somehow not inflation.
 
好主意，推高建筑材料成本，这样我们可以在未来4-5年内再次把房价翻倍。但这竟然不是通货膨胀。
 
@SuspiciousSpaceWizard
Hopefully Carney's rebuild Canada agenda will reroute a lot of that lumber to stay in Canada.  EU and Asia markets are huge as well.  There will be a uncomfortable transition period but Canadas lumber industry will remain strong.
 
希望Carney的重建加拿大计划能把大部分木材留在加拿大。欧盟和亚洲市场也很大。虽然过渡期会不舒服，但加拿大的木材行业依然会保持强大。
 
@skyscraperfan
$460,000 for a house made of wood? Wasn't saving money the main reason to build wooden houses instead of real houses? Why do Americans even build wooden houses in areas that see wildfires almost every year?
 
460,000美金买一座木房子？不是因为省钱才建木房子，而不是建“真正的房子”吗？为什么美国人还要在几乎每年都会发生野火的地区建木房？
 
@DavidM2002
Don't worry, Canada will pay the tariffs...
 
别担心，加拿大会支付关税……
 
@Daddytransit
Trump said the US doesn't need anything we Canadians produce so just do without but stop blaming Canada for the mess you've created all by yourself
 
特朗普说美国不需要我们加拿大人生产的任何东西，那就不需要，但别怪加拿大搞砸了你们自己创造的局面。
 
@vrr6368
Didn't Trump campaign on lowering inflation / prices?
 
特朗普不是在竞选时承诺降低通货膨胀/物价吗？
 
@CA.....
Canada supplies 85% of U.S. softwood lumber imports—critical for stabilizing prices and ensuring a steady supply amid domestic sawmill closures and volatility. The consistent quality of Canad's lumber is one reason why it is so popular, as well as cost. Expanding trade with Canada is the most direct way to support U.S. builders and keep housing affordable.
 
加拿大提供美国85%的软木进口——对于稳定价格和确保稳定供应至关重要，尤其是在国内锯木厂关闭和市场波动的背景下。加拿大木材的一致质量是其如此受欢迎的原因之一，成本也是如此。扩大与加拿大的贸易是支持美国建筑商并保持住房可负担性最直接的方式。
 
@kingofrivia1248
Im a state forester here in germany in the most productive and most nature friendly forestry in the world. If i got a chance to manage the US forest service i guarantee you would see a 30% production increase without any worse environmental impact and im even claiming i can lessen the impact massively and produce more. Its because clearcut forestry does not increase production per acre like regular thinning with the CORRECT model does. We are so small compared to the US, yet we produce enough lumber to supply Germany, its neighbours great britain and export to the US. Its because we are using the oand we have effectively and because we made sure our forests are accesible by forest roads. Both things russia and the US are equally terrible at. INFRASTRUCTURE. That is what you guys are terrible at. I spent 1 year in the US lumber industry in 2019 and i was incredibly shocked how much ressources you waste. Its because you have so kuch of everything so you look at it differently.
 
我是德国的州林务员，负责全球最具生产力和最环保的林业之一。如果我有机会管理美国森林服务，我敢保证你们会看到30%的生产增长，而且对环境的影响不会更糟，甚至我还声称可以大幅减少影响并提高产量。因为清除式砍伐并没有像正确模式下的定向修剪那样提高每英亩的产量。我们国家虽然小，但我们生产的木材足够供应德国、邻国和英国，还出口到美国。原因在于我们有效地利用了土地，并确保我们的森林可以通过林道进入。而俄罗斯和美国在这两方面都非常糟糕——基础设施。你们在这一点上做得很差。我在2019年曾在美国木材行业待了一年，我对你们浪费资源的方式感到震惊。因为你们有太多的资源，所以从另一个角度看待这些问题。
 
@rickettsdave
The lumber industry has lobbied politicians endlessly to apply tariffs on Canadian lumber.  This despite multiple international tribunals which have found in favor of Canada and found there was no dumping or unfair competition. After every negative tribunal, the American industry then starts the lobby all over again and tariffs are reapplied and years go by for yet another tribunal. The reason they want tariffs is not to level the playing field. It is to increase their profits. Canadian lumber becomes more expensive and the American industry does not cut more timber, but rather they just raise their own prices to match the new higher priced tariffed Canadian lumber.  They already have raised prices using tariffs as an excuse even though they haven't even been applied yet.
 
木材行业不断游说政治家对加拿大木材征收关税。尽管多次国际仲裁庭已经裁定加拿大没有倾销或不正当竞争。每次仲裁结果不利后，美国行业就开始重新游说，再次征收关税，几年过去又要等下一次仲裁。它们希望征收关税的原因并不是为了公平竞争，而是为了增加利润。加拿大木材变得更加昂贵，而美国行业并不会多砍伐木材，而是仅仅提高自己的价格，以匹配加价后的加拿大木材。即便关税还没征收，他们已经借此提高了价格。
 
@flaviusfake271
The US doesn't have that much wood. When you hear a lobbyist say you should open your national parks to be harvested that should be a red flag...
 
美国并没有那么多木材。当你听到一个游说者说你应该开放国家公园进行采伐时，那应该是一个警告信号…
@clearview5281
No one talks about quality of lumber.  Most Canadian Lumber is situated in colder weather 6 months of the year meaning it grows slower (less moisture in the wood) and is therefore stronger.  I have seen US video footage where after a Tornado or Hurricane the frx of a building is broken around 5' up usually meaning weaker American wood was used.
 
没有人谈论木材的质量。大多数加拿大木材位于寒冷气候中，六个月的生长季节较短，这意味着木材生长较慢（木材含水量较少），因此更强健。我曾看到美国的视频，显示在龙卷风或飓风之后，建筑物的框架通常会在约5英尺的高度断裂，这通常意味着使用了较弱的美国木材。
 
@brianshillito4909
Did that guy really say remove regulations? So build even crappier homes than now? They've already gone from plywood to particle board, what's next, prefab foam homes???
 
那个人真的说要去除监管吗？那么是建造比现在更差的房子吗？他们已经从胶合板变成了刨花板，接下来是什么，预制泡沫房屋？
 
@richardcampbell7255
What a waste of wood. No one needs a house that big. Save forests and land by building smaller homes.
 
真是浪费木材。没有人需要那么大的房子。通过建造更小的房子来节省森林和土地。
 
@deans6129
One thing not mentioned is in the US most forests are privately owned so you have to negotiate with individual landowners to cut timber which can be very costly whereas here in Canada most forests are crown owned(government owned) so they set a standard stumpage rate for cut timber which is applied equally hence Americans whine because they say Canadian lumber is subsidized which it is not. Aside from one ruling Canada has won every legal battle with the US over tariffs since the 1980s.
 
有一点没有提到的是，在美国，大多数森林是私有的，因此你必须与个别土地所有者协商砍伐木材，这可能非常昂贵；而在加拿大，大多数森林是由政府拥有的（皇家森林），所以政府设定了统一的采伐费用，这也是美国人抱怨加拿大木材是政府补贴的原因，实际上并非如此。除了一个裁决之外，自1980年代以来，加拿大在与美国关于关税的每一次法律斗争中都取得了胜利。
 
Also most timber in the US is fast growing due to the warmer climate so they set a lumber tends to be weaker due to the fibre is not dense unlike in Canadian lumber which is slower growing due to the colder climate producing a stronger and sturdier lumber which makes for stronger buildings. Add to that the American Home builders association has recommended Canadian lumber be used for structural integrity due to increased stability the lumber provides although they aren’t vocal about it.
 
此外，美国的大部分木材由于气候较温暖而生长较快，因此木材的纤维密度较低，通常较弱；而加拿大木材由于气候寒冷，生长较慢，产生的木材更强健结实，使建筑物更牢固。再加上，美国建筑商协会建议使用加拿大木材作为结构材料，以提高稳定性，尽管他们并没有公开表态。
 
@nickfoster9350
Fingers crossed that Canada ceases selling our lumber to the US. Less wood to the US means more untouched forests in Canada. In Canada, logging is a high paying profession. A six figure income is pretty much guaranteed. The best sawyers in the world come from BC.
 
希望加拿大停止向美国销售我们的木材。减少对美国的木材出口意味着加拿大有更多未开发的森林。在加拿大，伐木是一项高薪职业。六位数的收入几乎是可以保证的。世界上最好的木匠来自不列颠哥伦比亚省。
 
@cyberzeero1
The cost and availability of lumber is not what is holding back home building, excessive zoning regulations that only allow single family homes, or don't allow infill development are a major barrier.
 
限制住宅建设的不是木材成本和可用性，而是过度的分区规定，只允许单户住宅，或者不允许填充开发，这些都是主要障碍。
 
@prawnstar9213
High end homes are NOT WHAT WE NEED. We need small cheap starter homes.. and for the love of GOD can we hold ourselves accountable for our mistakes AND STOP BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE.. I.E CANADA!! And btw Canadians are also in a housing crisis. The irony right?! the housing crisis is global for everywhere but Helsinki
 
我们不需要高端住宅。我们需要的是小型廉价的首套房……拜托，能不能对我们自己的错误负责，并停止责怪别人……比如加拿大！！顺便说一句，加拿大也面临住房危机。真是讽刺，对吧？！住房危机是全球性的，除了赫尔辛基。
 
@crashhanna
Look at the amount of lumber that goes into modern homes and contrast that with the homes of 30, 40 and 50 years ago. This shift in expectations is a big part of the lumber shortage.
 
看看现代住宅中使用的木材数量，再与30、40、50年前的房屋进行对比。这种期望的转变是导致木材短缺的一个重要原因。
 
@visceratrocar
Raising the cost of materials is going to make houses go from unaffordable to a luxury. That is the goal.
 
提高材料成本将使房屋从“负担不起”变成奢侈品。这就是目标。
 
@rushtest4echo737
As an American- at this point we honestly do deserve the complete economic disaster that we voted for. In the long run, hopefully it'll bring some sanity to our decision making (not likely). The moron Trumpers will continue to praise all of his decisions, and a spineless Congress and Supreme Court won't help anything. We deserve this. We chose this. And for those who say "well I didn't vote for Trump"- 70% of the electorate had the opportunity to vote against Trump and either voted for him or didn't vote at all because Harris wasn't "good enough".
 
作为一个美国人——到现在为止，我们真的配得上我们选出的完全经济灾难。希望从长远来看，这能让我们的决策更理智（不太可能）。那些愚蠢的特朗普支持者将继续赞扬他做出的所有决定，而软弱无力的国会和最高法院也无能为力。我们配得上这一切。我们选择了这一切。对于那些说“我没投特朗普”的人——70%的选民有机会反对特朗普投票，要么选他，要么因为哈里斯“不够好”而选择不投票。
 
@onetireonfire2777
Stop stepping on Canada’s toes, we are an ally, we have lots to offer the United States. One of those this is lumber, we have magnitudes more in lumber resources. You can have a stable lumber supply as long as trump stop poking us with a stick and you keep the tariffs down.
 
停止踩加拿大，我们是盟友，我们有很多可以提供给美国的东西。其中之一就是木材，我们有更多的木材资源。只要特朗普不再挑衅我们，你们保持低关税，就可以有稳定的木材供应。
 
@sandrahildebrand4283
Getting rid of regulations without considering both the positive and negative outcomes is irresponsible. Most regulations were crafted to curb some kind of damage or abuse. Don’t be arbitrary, be intentional.
 
在没有考虑正面和负面结果的情况下去除法规是不负责任的。大多数法规都是为了防止某种损害或滥用而制定的。不要做出随意的决定，要有意图地行动。
 
@tstorm3706
Canada will be using a lot more of our lumber at home in the near future. Japan and the EU love our lumber, too. Canada has good wood! Enjoy your higher house prices, thanks to the trump tax.
 
加拿大在不久的将来会更多地使用我们的木材。日本和欧盟也喜欢我们的木材。加拿大有优质的木材！感谢特朗普税收，让你们的房价更高。
 
@MargaretParker-t8x
We are going to need our own lumber in Canada.
 
我们在加拿大将需要更多的木材。
 
@danieldejong6382
No matter, hopefully Carney can ramp up affordable homes to be built throughout Canada. The prefab industry could use the boost and our lumber industry can be a great partner.
 
无论如何，希望Carney能够推动加拿大建造更多可负担得起的住房。预制房产业可以得到推动，我们的木材产业可以成为一个伟大的合作伙伴。
 
@dlewis8405
All over the USA we have áreas that were cut and cleared but not replanted. I guess we will just plant trees and wait 20 years.
 
美国各地都有已经砍伐并清理但未重新种植的地区。我猜我们只好种树并等待20年。
 
@educatednumpty71
The construction industry in the US is a scam designed to make the house buyer constantly having to pay out.
The roofs last at best 20 years before needing to be replaced. The house itself has a life expectancy of about 60 years. Then there are the constant running repairs on the paper-thin walls as well as the main structure.
Meanwhile, in most countries, they use brick for the construction and slate or clay tiles for the roof, all of which last hundreds of years with little to no maintenance.
 
美国的建筑行业是一个骗局，旨在让购房者不断支付费用。屋顶最多能用20年，之后就需要更换。房子的使用寿命大约为60年。然后是纸薄墙壁和主要结构的不断维修。与此同时，在大多数国家，他们使用砖块建造房屋，屋顶则使用石板或粘土瓦，这些材料几乎无需维护，能持续数百年。
 
@NolaMontour
Honestly, the shrinking workforce is kind of terrifying—but also a real wake-up call. It really drives home how tightly connected the economy is to our personal financial health. If fewer people are working while more are retiring, who's funding Social Security? Who's stepping into those jobs? It all affects our future financial security.
 
说实话，劳动力的减少有点可怕——但也是一个真正的警钟。这让我们深刻意识到经济与个人财务健康是如此紧密相连。如果工作的人少了，而退休的人多了，谁来为社会保障提供资金？谁来接替这些工作？这一切都关系到我们未来的财务安全。
 
@bonnietomlinson7945
Trump stated the U.S. doesn’t need our lumber,  the U.S. has a lot of lumber. So Trump use your own lumber.
 
特朗普曾表示美国不需要我们的木材，美国有很多木材。那么特朗普，用你们自己的木材吧。
 
@andrewallen9993
Tarrifs on Canadian lumber must go up to ensure the prices of new homes in the US must go up.
 
加拿大木材的关税必须上调，以确保美国新房价格上涨。