成都地铁2010-2027年的演变(地理地图)
Evolution of the Chengdu Metro 2010-2027 (geographic map)
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网友:像中国的许多其他系统一样,它使用中国中车的列车以及与中国40多个地铁系统大部分相同的隧道和车站设计。现在地铁的规模之大也令人震惊。我2008年出生,那时那儿还没有地铁。现在我16岁,那里已经有300多个车站了。干得好,中国!
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成都地铁2010-2027年的演变(地理地图)
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@sdt1225
Like many other systems in china, it uses CRRC rolling stock and the same tunnel and station designs as the major of the 40+ metro systems in china. It’s also very baffling how large the metro is now. I was born in 2008 and there was no metro there. Now I’m 16 and there are 300+ stations. Good job china
像中国的许多其他系统一样,它使用中国中车的列车以及与中国40多个地铁系统大部分相同的隧道和车站设计。现在地铁的规模之大也令人震惊。我2008年出生,那时那儿还没有地铁。现在我16岁,那里已经有300多个车站了。干得好,中国!
@GBA811
Standardization is the key to mass production, as my technical school teachers used to say: the construction sector is a form of industry, with the key difference that the factory moves from one place to another instead of the product when it is delivered.
标准化是大规模生产的关键,正如我的技校老师常说的:建筑行业是工业的一种,关键的区别在于交付时是工厂从一处移到另一处而不是产品移动。
@AustinKelly94
I visited Kunming in 2019 and there were 3 lines. I return in 2024, and there is 6. What China has done is remarkable
我2019年访问昆明时有3条线路,2024年回来时已有6条。中国做到的事情真是了不起。
@blava3155
You mean that stations in different Chinese cities look the same?!
你是说中国不同城市的车站看起来都一样?!
@jhuang7736
@blava3155 Metro Stations in different cities in China are very similar, just some designs are different, but same models
@blava3155 中国不同城市的地铁站非常相似,只是有些设计不同,但模型相同。
@jhuang7736
@AprezaRenaldy Type A Train 22.0m long, 3.0~3.08m wide Type B Train 19.0m long, 2.8~2.88m wide Type C Train 19.0m long, 2.6m wide Type L Train 16.5m long, 2.6m wide
@AprezaRenaldy A型列车长22.0米,宽3.0~3.08米;B型列车长19.0米,宽2.8~2.88米;C型列车长19.0米,宽2.6米;L型列车长16.5米,宽2.6米。
@defrense
@AustinKelly94 The key to this is a very different funding model to unlock budget and let local governing body has the freedom to do long term planning. It also brought incentives for local govt to build trains faster and further. It definitely has benefits in long run but I'm almost 99.99999% sure this is a very specific way of doing things that is never gonna be widely accepted elsewhere.
@AustinKelly94 关键在于一种截然不同的融资模式,他们会释放预算,让地方政府有自由进行长期规划。这也激励地方政府更快、更远地建铁路。虽然从长远来看肯定会有回报,但我99.99999%确定这种独特的方式绝不会在其他地方被广泛接受。
@edukid1984
@defrense As the Chinese themselves have said repeatedly - do NOT copy our strategy or economic model wholesale in your country or it's doomed to fail. Doesn't mean there isn't a lot of lessons to be learned from them though. On the flip side, the spending spree in infrastructure across the major Chinese cities over the past 15 years was heavily fueled by the renevue to local governments via real estate bidding for development of state owned land. Now that the party's over it remains to be seen whether they can or should keep the pace moving forward.
@defrense 正如中国人反复说的——不要全盘照抄我们的战略或经济模式,否则在你的国家注定会失败。不过,这并不意味着没有很多经验可学。另一方面,过去15年中国主要城市的基础设施的狂热建设在很大程度上靠地方政府通过国有土地开发房地产竞标获得的收入推动。现在派对结束了,未来能否或应否保持这种速度仍待观察。
@zeitgeistx5239
I was born in the 80s and when I left in 94 we didn’t even have traffic signals.
我出生于上世纪80年代,1994年离开时我家那边连交通信号灯都没有。
@platoze
@blava3155 train design is the same. Same trainsets, same signalling systems, same general specifications. Design of stations is usually different but still very similar to each other, I find most places will use the same font and line numbering system, same announcement voices too.
@blava3155 列车的设计相同。相同的列车组、信号系统、总体规格。车站的设计通常不同但仍然很相似,我发现大部分地方会使用相同的字体和线路编号系统,连广播的声音也一样。
@geography_czek5699
Building on average one whole metro line a year is crazy.
平均每年新建一条完整的地铁线太疯狂了。
@lindsiria
Many of these lines have been in the process of being built for many years. What is impressive is that China plans the whole transportation infrastructure for a city and builds multiple lines at once. In most the world, that doesn't happen anymore (sadly). We build one or two lines, THEN decide what the following lines should be.
许多线路已经建设多年。令人印象深刻的是中国会为城市规划整个交通基础设施,同时兴建多条线路。世界上大部分地方不再这样做了(遗憾)。我们会建一两条线,然后才决定接下来建什么。
@AprezaRenaldy
@lindsiria and only cost same as Building a tram line in Berlin
@lindsiria 而且成本只相当于柏林建一条有轨电车线路。
@torukmaktopoland
I regret sometimes why any European city makes such a quick metro system as in China... ... but on the other side last month announced that Cracow will have his own system (not only premetro like it was at beginning)
我有时会为为什么欧洲城市不能像中国这样快速兴建地铁系统感到遗憾……不过另一方面,克拉科夫上个月宣布了将有自己的地铁系统(不再只是最初的轻轨)。
@geography_czek5699
@torukmaktopoland First of all, there are only like 5 cities in Europe that can compare in size to those Chinese cities. (London, Paris, Moscow, Istanbul...) And all those cities already have wide networks and are building even more normall and express (like RER or Elizabeth line) metro lines. And IMO Kraków doesn't need (will not have money for) full sized metro system. Belgium style premetro would be right sized system with the benefit of the future proofing.
@torukmaktopoland 首先,欧洲只有大约5个城市能与中国那些城市的规模相比(伦敦、巴黎、莫斯科、伊斯坦布尔……),这些城市已有广泛的地铁网络,还在兴建更多常规和快速(像RER或伊丽莎白线)地铁线。我认为克拉科夫不需要(也没钱建)全尺寸的地铁系统。比利时风格的轻轨是合适的系统,它兼具了未来扩展的好处。
@torukmaktopoland
@geography_czek5699 My cousine got married, with Cracovian, which strong opted to build metro
@geography_czek5699 我的表亲娶了个克拉科夫人,他强烈支持兴建地铁。
@defrense
It took 5 -8 years to build one line end to end in Chengdu too. The city has 3-5 lines being built concurrently so you can see almost every year that a new line is completed
在成都建一条完整的地铁线也要5-8年,城市会同时兴建3-5条线,所以几乎每年都有新线完工。
@socialdemocratj1l2
good planning is all you need. you can build few lines simultaneously, and opening them in a sequence that seems like one is being built every few months. thats what we did
好的规划就是一切。你可以同时兴建几条线,按顺序开通,看起来就像是每几个月就建好一条。我们就是这么做的。
@おうむ-k5g
10 years ago when I went to Chengdu, I was troubled by traffic jams, so I’m really happy that so many subways have been built. I want to go again.
十年前我去成都时被交通堵塞困扰,所以看到这么多地铁建好我真的很高兴。我想再去一次。
@私気に成ります
China's rapid build and radial city planning makes for some pretty interesting results. Also, I like that they went for multiple concentric rings like Tokyo.
中国快速建设和放射状城市规划带来了一些非常有趣的结果,我也喜欢他们像东京一样采用了多个同心环线。
@cskm8964akira
Chengdu is a polycentric city, but Beijing is a completely centralized city with the Imperial Palace. The farther away from the Forbidden City, the cheaper the real estate, and there are no bustling towns.
成都是一个多中心的城市,而北京是一个以皇宫为中心的完全中心化的城市,离紫禁城越远,房地产就越便宜,也没有热闹的城镇。
@liliya_aseeva
Chengdu itself has a very circular plan appearance. Unlike most of Chinese cities which go for square form
成都本身的规划外观就非常圆,不像中国大多数城市采用的方形形式。
@ChengduPLF_AdmireVega
Considering Chengdu has a population of over 20 million residents,it is definate that an efficient and massive railroad transport system is so necessary.As I myself a citizen in Chengdu,I really appreciate the constructions done and being done which really benefit us. Also,thanks for this nice video!
考虑到成都的人口超过2000万,高效且大规模的地铁交通系统绝对有必要。作为成都市民,我非常感激已建和在建的工程,它们真正惠及了我们。另外,感谢这个精彩的视频!
@johnvance882
I've been to Chengdu twice! It's an amazing city and was my first experience on a subway system outside of the U.S.
我去过成都两次!它是个了不起的城市,也是我在美国以外第一次体验地铁系统。
@fdbgfdgn5762
It's amazing how significantly faster they developed their metro system when compared to places like NYC
与纽约相比,他们发展地铁系统的速度快得惊人。
@agnezabarutanski1963
No bureaucratic setbacks does wonders when it comes to infrastructure. China is all about planning, combine that with one-party system that easily imposes public interest over private interest, massive economy that attracts people into huge cities, an army of seasoned engineering veterans and limitless funds and you get the Chinese transportation miracle. Everything they did in the past 25 years is nothing short of spectacular, but Chengdu is the crown jewel of this endevour - to build such a massive system in less than 20 years is truly astonshing! Kudos for China!
没有官僚阻碍对基础设施建设有奇效。中国注重规划,结合一党制轻松将公共利益置于私人利益之上,庞大的经济吸引人口涌入大城市,再加上经验丰富的工程师大军和无限的资金,你就得到了中国的交通奇迹。过去25年他们做的每件事都堪称壮观,但成都是这项努力的瑰宝——不到20年就建成如此庞大的系统真是令人震惊!为中国点赞!
@_human_1946
Another thing is incentives. The Chinese government owns all land, so they make massive amounts of money when a subway turns cheap farmland into a place to put luxury apartments.
另一个因素是激励。中国政府拥有所有的土地,所以当地铁把廉价的农田变成兴建豪华公寓的地方时,他们赚了大钱。
@magic_game_catcher
I'm from Chengdu and I'm really excited to see how rapidly the metro system is developing in my hometown. There's gonna be more than 2000 km of operation kilometers in total as planned in the future.
我来自成都,看到家乡的地铁系统的发展如此迅速我真的很兴奋,成都未来规划的总运营里程将超过2000公里。
@dohuuhailong8352
it's crazy that US can spend billions on highway project but can't spend on metro system. The only city that has acceptable metro system in the US is NYC. Others need heavy investment if they want the system to be efficient.
美国政府砸几十亿修公路却舍不得投资地铁,简直是离谱!全美只有纽约的地铁还算像样,其他城市要想提升效率,得下血本改造才行。
@co7ahang
As a local in Chengdu, I am really surprised by the rapid development of metro system in these 10 years. btw the latest line s3 Ziyang line is coming soon
作为成都本地人,我对这10年地铁系统的快速发展感到惊讶。顺便说一下,最新的S3资阳线即将开通。
@Decay54
Actually, other cities in china also develop their metro fast!
其实中国其他城市的地铁也发展得很快!
@amandagrant4331
In China, if a local government wants to build a subway, it needs the approval of the central government first. This process is not easy, sometimes it takes years. Therefore, once approved, the local government will advance rapidly and the citizens will look forward to it.
在中国,地方政府想建地铁需先获得中央政府得批准。这个过程并不容易,有时需要数年。因此,一旦获批,地方政府会迅速推进,市民也满怀期待。
@dominicrobertson7626
It's amazing to see how quickly and comprehensively the Chinese can build. It'll be interesting to see how the systems are maintained over the coming decades
看到中国人建得如此快速且全面真令人惊叹,未来几十年这些系统如何维护会很有趣。
@_human_1946
I think it'll go pretty well. I rode the Guangzhou metro's Line 1, and even though they use 20-year old trains the ride is much smoother than anything I've seen in North America, where I live.
我想会挺顺利的。我坐过广州地铁1号线,尽管用的是20年的老列车,但乘坐体验比我在北美见过的任何地铁都顺畅。
@Qingyi.
I have been on the subway line 1 in Beijing, which was built fifty years ago. At present, it still runs smoothly and well. (Please forgive my Google translation)
我坐过北京地铁1号线,那是五十年前建的,现在依然运行顺畅且良好(请原谅我的谷歌翻译)。
@fredfeng5716
@_human_1946 Most subway systems in North America is much older than Guangzhou. Relatively newer systems in NA like WMTA, Montreal STM, Vancouver sky train and Seattle sound transit are also not that bad.
@_human_1946 北美大多数地铁系统比广州老得多,北美较新的系统如华盛顿地铁、蒙特利尔STM、温哥华天空列车和西雅图的音速交通也不算差。
@Andrewjg_89
What amazes me is that big Chinese cities that have metro systems are having to expand their network with the population growing ever more faster. China is well ahead of pretty much every country.
让我惊叹的是中国大城市的地铁系统因人口的快速增长而不得不扩展网络,中国几乎领先所有的国家。
@Marc-.
Friendly reminder that line 13 is missing, opening next year in 2025, it’s been under construction for yrs, and I’m excited
友情提醒,13号线还没有建好,明年(2025)年开通,它已建设多年,我很期待。
@Conellossus
Awesome video! This is what happens when you play NIMBY Rails with unlimited money
超棒的视频!这就是用无限资金玩《NIMBY Rails》的结果。
@defrense
NIMBY is never a real issue here, as no privately owned land the city has much better freedom in infrastructure planning. The unlimited money comes from a different funding model. There is no such thing as local tax or council rates in China, local governing body sells leases of land for development to raise majority of its operation funds, there is big incentives to build train connecting business core and city fringe so low value land lease becomes much more expensive, due to easily foreseeable return it is also easy to borrow for these projects.
NIMBY在这儿从来不是问题,因为没有私有土地,城市在基础设施规划上有更大的自由。无限的资金来自不同的融资模式,中国没有地方税或市政费,地方政府会通过出售土地开发租约筹集大部分运营资金,建铁路连接商业核心和城市边缘有很大的激励,它可以让低价值的土地租约变得更贵,由于回报易于预测,借贷也更容易。
@josanikik
Really amazing video as always. I've been living in Chengdu for a little over a month now, and noticed construction of line 13 at the Sichuan Normal University area
一如既往的精彩视频。我在成都生活了刚一个月多点,我注意到了四川师范大学区域的13号线的施工。
@seekahsengmoe4371
Hey, great video Metro Liner, totally love it the design is great. Thats why i would love it when you create a video for the history and future construction of Klang Valley Transit. Ive seen some of similar creator made one, wished you make one. If you're busy creating other videos, why not list it in your future video ideas! Thanks.
嘿,Metro Liner,超棒的视频,我真的很喜欢,成都地铁的设计很棒。所以我希望你能做一个关于巴生谷交通历史和未来建设的视频。我见过类似的创作者做过,期待你也做一个。如果你忙于其他视频,为什么不把它列入未来视频计划呢!谢谢。
@alexkoppers7882
This is so amazing to see! Meanwhile in my country in the Netherlands we take 25 years to build a new train route in the north. And it might not even be finished before 2050!
看到这个真的令人惊叹!与此同时,在我的国家荷兰,我们花了25年在北部兴建一条新铁路,可能到2050年都无法完工!
@Jaspery-lm9wl
Here’s an idea: make a video on a metro that isn’t open but has planned lines or even is under construction e.g. Riyadh or Bogotá (my apologies if the Saudi capital opened its metro by the time you read this comment.)
我有个主意:做一个关于尚未开通但有规划线路或在建地铁的视频,比如利雅得或波哥大(如果读到这评论时沙特的首都已经开通地铁,我先道歉)。
@minhohwang2770
Chengdu is nothing short of astonishing. Honestly, considering its population size I was quite surprised it didn’t have a single line until 2010. I would have expected there to be at least one. Some of these projects may be delayed, but at this rate the system’s going to double within the next ten years
成都简直令人叹为观止。说实话,考虑到它的人口规模,我很惊讶直到2010年才有一条地铁线。我本以为至少会有一条。虽然有些项目可能会延误,但按照这个速度,未来十年系统的规模会翻倍。
@gtrdriver27
I love watching all videos of yours, they are absolutely amazing, I have a question for you, is it possible to make a evolution of Istanbul Metro? they are improving quite a bit since 2018, and they have lot of metro construction work that is not going to conclude anytime soon...
我爱看你的所有视频,它绝对精彩,我有个问题,你能否做一个伊斯坦布尔地铁演变的视频?他们自2018年以来进步路很多,还有很多短期内完不了的地铁建设工作……
@xxjjss
In the United States, we spent three times as much money over the same period just debating whether to build the line, worrying about whether a groundhog nest along the route would be affected, and discussing how to ensure LGBTQ fairness during construction. In the end, the budget was gone — and nothing had even started.
在美国,同一时期我们花了三倍的钱只是讨论是否要建地铁,担心沿线的土拨鼠窝受到影响,讨论如何确保施工中的LGBTQ公平。最后,预算花光了——什么都没有开始。
@WangGanChang
You have no idea how the extension of line 17 in 5:22 satisfied my OCD. That unsymmetrical gap has bothered me the entire video. Any idea why it took them so long to connect that sector of the city.
你不知道5分22秒时17号线的延伸有多满足我的强迫症。那个不对称的缺口让我在观看整个视频的过程中都很烦躁。你知道为什么连接那片城区花了那么久吗?
@wyuxing
A major accident happened a few years ago in the construction of the Line 17. A few workers died on the construction site and the construction of the line paused for quite a while before the investigation finished. I live in the west of the city along the line 17 and I attend university near the site on the east of the city where the accident happened (Jianshe North Rd station).
几年前17号线的施工中发生了重大的事故,几名工人在工地死亡,线路建设暂停了很长时间,直到调查结束。我生活在这条线路西边的城市,事故发生地(建设北路站)在东边,我在那附近上大学。
@cmyk8964
Can you do a video on the expansion of the Sapporo Municipal Subway, Hokkaido, Japan? It only has 3 lines and a looping streetcar now, but I hear there was a sprawling streetcar network before the subway opened.
你能做个关于日本北海道札幌市地铁扩展的视频吗?现在只有3条线和一个环形有轨电车,但听说地铁开通前有个庞大的有轨电车网络。
@tuobaliuyun011
The construction speed of Chengdu subway is really crazy. In just a few years, the mileage is among the top in the country. In front of him are the established cities of Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen and Guangzhou. People who are not from the next city will feel shocked every time they go to Chengdu.
成都地铁的建设速度真是疯狂。短短几年,其运营里程已名列全国前茅,排在它前面的只有老牌城市北京、上海、深圳和广州。外地人每次来成都准会惊掉下巴!
@shiminchen2482
I now live in Austria in was born in Austria but does not have many lines but China started the latest who built train lines but only have like 300 million station already then Austria
我现居奥地利,虽出生于此,但这里的铁路线路寥寥。反观中国,虽较晚发展轨道交通,却已建成约3亿人次容量的车站网络,奥地利与之相比实在是相形见绌。
@ioannesbracciano4343
What kind of TBMs are they using to open a kilometers-long line per year? This should be physically impossible with current technology
他们究竟用的什么隧道掘进机,居然能一年打通数公里长的隧道?按现有技术这根本不可能实现!
@knightfred5361
China has the world's largest shield machine, the world's most advanced construction level, and the world's lowest construction cost, so it is natural that Chengdu will continue to open at least one new subway every year in the next 10 years as it does now.
中国有全世界最大的盾构机,全球最先进的施工水平,和全球最低的施工成本,所以成都未来10年像现在这样每年至少开通一条新地铁是理所当然的。
@user-do2gf3re9x
Usually they started the construction from several planned stations along the line in parallel.
通常他们会从沿线几个规划站点同时开始施工。