“外资坟场”再发威！大众汽车因偷税在印度被罚14亿美元 目前大众将印度政府告上法庭
Volkswagen Vs India: Govt Calls Carmaker’s Method A ‘Ploy’ To Evade Billions In Taxes, Here’s Why…
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“外资坟场”再发威！大众在印度被罚14亿美元，10年都挣不够罚款
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A billion-dollar battle is unfolding between one of the world’s biggest carmakers and the Indian government. According to a report by Reuters, Volkswagen has taken India to court, challenging a staggering $1.4 billion tax demand.
一场价值数十亿美元的对决正在世界最大汽车制造商之一与印度政府之间上演。根据路透社的报道，大众汽车已将印度政府告上法庭，对一笔高达14亿美元的税款追缴提出质疑。
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If they found a loophole and the import was legal. It's the government's fault for trying to impose retroactive taxes for loopholes it left in It's laws.
如果大众找到了法律漏洞，并且进口是合法的，那就是政府自己的责任，不该对自己法律中留下的漏洞事后征税。
Introduce new retrospective tax laws, claim that all foreign companies are tax evaders, confiscate all their assets, and drive them out of India.
India cannot be colonized by foreign companies anymore.
出台新的追溯性税法，然后把所有外国公司都认定为逃税者，没收它们的所有资产，把它们赶出印度。
印度不再允许被外国公司殖民了。
And it is for a reason. Government wants car manufacturers to assemble in India if they will be selling jn India, and its good only to generate employment. Stop mindlessly attacking government for taxes.
对大众罚款这是有理由的。政府希望汽车制造商在印度销售汽车的同时也在印度组装生产，这对创造就业是有好处的。
别再盲目批评政府征税了。
Sorry to say but I'm on VW side here .
I wanted to start a company which builds custom mini-PC's . The Import duties and taxes make my Manufacturing Cost higher than someone from Chinas Landed Cost.
Only thing I can do is move out of India so I can make a competitive Product
很抱歉，但我站在大众这边。
我原本想创办一家定制迷你PC的公司。
但关税使我的制造成本比中国的到岸价还高。
我唯一能做的就是搬出印度，这样我才能制造出有竞争力的产品。
There's a reason this country is a banana republic.. The only ppl who make it big are corrupt politician and ppl who deal in black money! The hard working citizen is the bakhra... We need to start holding accountable these scum bag politician and not be dumb sheep taking what ever they throw at us.. Tell me which politician is poor or Middle class?
这个国家之所以像“香蕉共和国”，是有原因的……唯一能发大财的就是腐败政客和搞黑钱的人！
辛勤工作的老百姓却成了替罪羊……我们需要开始追究这些无耻政客的责任，而不是当那些什么都接受的“傻羊”……
你告诉我，哪个政客是穷人或中产阶级的？
Indian government can do this if they have proper infrastructure here.
Without proper infrastructure for manufacturing they can't expect companies to do their part of building infrastructure.
印度政府要做这些事情，前提是你得先有合适的基础设施。
如果没有合适的制造基础设施，就不能指望公司自己来建设。
I'm not saying these companies should be above the law or something.
All I'm saying is, it's morally not correct to force/ make rules which are too much skewed towards one side, forcing global companies to manufacture in india, when proper manufacturing infrastructure is not available.
If manufacturing infrastructure is available, then you can say to global companies to source locally and keep high taxes for imported parts.
It doesn't make any sense for vw/skoda group to manufacture Kodiaq, superb, ... in india, as it takes too much effort with complete loss for such low selling cars numbers due to advanced tech and premium materials required.
我不是说这些公司应该凌驾于法律之上。
我的意思是，从道德上来说，强行制定倾向于单方面的规则、强迫全球公司在印度制造，是不合理的，尤其是在没有完善制造业基础设施的前提下。
如果你有完善的制造业基础设施，那么你当然可以要求全球公司本地采购、对进口零件征收高税。
但对于大众和斯柯达集团来说，在印度制造 柯迪亚克和速派这些车型是没有意义的，因为它们技术先进、用料高端、销量又低，投入成本太高，根本无法盈利。
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Such high taxes are charged so that you source the components locally. It'll take a few years for the local manufacturing power to reach international standards. Let's do our part in moving the nation forward instead of cursing it for our shortcomings.
征收这么高的税，是为了促使你在本地采购零部件。本地制造业需要几年时间才能达到国际标准。我们应该为推动国家进步尽自己的一份力，而不是一味指责国家的不足。
Indian want money, german want money. Indian give bad value, German give good value. I buy German. I happy.
Half of the price you pay to buy a car longer than 4 metres goes to the government. All that tax but still sub-par services. What is the point of keeping money in the country's economy then?
印度人想赚钱，德国人也想赚钱。印度给的品质差，德国给的品质好。我买德国车，我很开心。
你买一辆超过4米长的车，差不多一半的钱都交给了政府。交了那么多税，服务还这么差。那我们留钱在本国经济中到底还有什么意义？
As an Indian, I hope VW wins this case against the Indian government. I’m sick of being taxed to death.
作为一名印度人，我希望大众在这场官司中赢过印度政府。我受够了被各种税压得喘不过气。
No, these foreign companies should be heavily taxed in order to promote Indian companies and taxes on the commoners should reduce. Its a good thing
不，这些外国公司就应该被征收重税，以促进印度本土企业的发展，普通百姓的税负应该降低。这是一件好事。
It is impossible to do business in India for foreign car makers. An equivalent car from toyota, honda, hyundai or volkswagen is double the cost than tata, suzuki and mahindra.
This is also the reason why car makers like Chevrolet have left india
对于外国汽车制造商来说，在印度做生意几乎是不可能的。来自丰田、本田、现代或大众的同类车型，在印度的售价几乎是塔塔、铃木和马恒达的两倍。
这也是为什么像雪佛兰这样的车企退出印度市场的原因。
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we don't get good quality of cars. All we get are cosmetic upgrades. German and Japanese engines are way superior in performance than Indian engines. Until we are able to manufacture such technology, we should have affordable access to the foreign technology. If you drive a volkswagen or toyota for over 50k km you will never drive a suzuki, tata, mahindra or hyundai
我们根本买不到高质量的汽车，得到的都是些表面升级。德国和日本的发动机性能远远优于印度制造的。
在我们能造出那种技术之前，就应该让大家能以合理的价格接触外国技术。
如果你开过5万公里以上的大众或丰田，你再也不会想开铃木、塔塔、马恒达或现代了。
I wish the government showed the same enthusiasm and zeal in matters like accountability of Municipal Corporation & their staff for the kind of pathetic services and facilities they provide us, an administration which cannot provide basic drinking water to it's citizens should fix their own problems first before penalizing people and companies with tax burdens.
我希望政府在追究市政公司及其员工责任、改善他们提供的糟糕服务与设施这类事务上，也能展现出同样的热情与干劲。一个连公民基本饮用水都无法保障的行政体系，应当先解决自身问题，而不是忙着用税收惩罚民众和企业。
I am glad most Indians are on the side of Volkswagen rather than Indian government. That itself says a lot on who is in the wrong
我很高兴大多数印度人站在大众一边而不是印度政府。这本身就说明了谁才是错的那一方。
And you are wondering why FDI is decreasing… India.. Graveyard of MNCs
你还在疑惑为什么外国直接投资（FDI）在减少？印度……是跨国公司的坟墓。
Govt. Should really give a thought on this. Because if companies will leave India they will not gonna come back + Lot of people will loose employment + interested upcoming foreign investors will also go back. So some middle point should be considered by both. But if VW is doing it since 2011 n Govt. Know this practice then I am on VW side.
政府真的应该好好思考这个问题。因为如果企业离开印度，就不会再回来，很多人会因此失业，感兴趣的外国投资者也会却步。
所以双方应该考虑一个中间立场。但如果大众从2011年就开始这样逃税操作，而政府早就知道并且故意放长线钓大鱼，那我就支持大众。
I believe there is a reason why this being done now if this true that VW group has been importing like this since 2011. VW group has started making decent sales in India, the cars have features, quality and above all Safety. People are now more aware about these awesome vehicles than they were before. This has upset some safe for India car makers and they are trying to control the market. If VW group loses and decides to exit india will the govt take responsibility of the thousands of cars that will not get official service and it will be the people of India who will be at loss.
我认为，如果大众集团确实自2011年起就一直这样进口车辆，那么现在突然采取行动必有缘由。大众集团近年来在印度销量稳步增长，其车型以丰富的配置、卓越的品质，尤其是顶尖的安全性能著称。如今，印度消费者对这些优质车辆的认知度比以前强多了。这显然触动了某些专为印度市场生产"特供版"车企的利益，他们正试图操控市场。若大众集团败诉并决定退出印度，政府是否要为成千上万失去官方售后服务的车辆负责？最终蒙受损失的，还是印度民众。
Government does dacoity with automobile makers. One of the reason why cars are so expensive in india. With this kind of attitude you can't turn into a manufacturing hub. Taxes in automobile are exorbitantly high. The government is trying to fill their coffers so that they use that money to finance their appeasement schemes and freebies
政府对汽车制造商就像是在“打劫”。这也是为什么印度的车这么贵。
抱着这种态度，是不可能变成制造业中心的。汽车行业的税率高得离谱。
政府只是想把国库填满，好去资助他们的“讨好型”政策和免费福利。
I agree that the tax situation in India is not ideal, but VW is run by crappy management in last few years, and it's not hard to believe that they may have tried these things to evade tax.
我同意印度的税收状况并不理想，但大众这几年管理确实很糟糕，他们搞点逃税手段我也不会惊讶。
Dear Customs, You should investigate VW the same way you investigate the Adanis and Ambanis or any politicians or government officials! Psst...! Start with yourself!
亲爱的海关，你们查大众的方式，能不能也用来查阿达尼、安巴尼，或者任何政客和政府官员？
先从你们自己查起吧！
Government is trying to make in India rather than Make abroad and assemble in India, every Indian should support local manufacturing
政府是在推动“印度制造”，而不是“海外制造、印度组装”。每个印度人都应该支持本地制造业。
Seems like Comment section cant appreciate Government at all.
Government did this to boost Indian Cars Dominance in our Market.
Keep the Good and Complain why we cant build Car Companies like BYD and xiaomi
评论区似乎根本不懂得政府的做法。
政府这么做是为了提升印度国产汽车在我们市场中的主导地位。
把好的留下，然后再问自己为什么我们产生不出像比亚迪、小米这样的车企。
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Tax is the answer. This kind of tax only send negative investment signal around the world. Some babu dose not got their money that's why they are creating this kind of fasad. This kind of tax terrorism will any manufacturing ambition of government.
“收税”是政府的回应。但这种税收只会向全世界传递负面的投资信号。
某个官员没有拿到好处，才制造出这样的纷争。
这种税收恐怖主义会彻底摧毁政府对制造业的任何雄心。
The comment section shows how stupid general indian public is siding with a foreign company committing tax fraud but complaining about corrupted government lM
评论区简直展示了印度公众的愚蠢——一边站在涉嫌逃税的外国公司那边，一边又在抱怨腐败的政府，笑死我了。
I can understand high import taxes 50 or 60 years ago when there weren't really any indigenous manufacturers in the market.
That is not the case now, there are many indigenous players, some of whom (esp. Mahindra) have the technical knowhow to make world class products and even export them to developed markets. Mahindra vehicles are well received in countries like Australia, as a reliable brand offering options for customers on a budget.
So if the Indian government still places high import duties on foreign automobiles, that means the govt. itself does not have confidence in the indigenous companies ability to survive in a more competitive market.
This is nothing but bad optics for the government.
我可以理解在五六十年前征收高额进口税的必要性，那时候本土几乎没有什么汽车制造商。
但现在情况不同了，印度有很多本土企业，其中一些（尤其是马恒达）已经拥有制造世界级产品的技术能力，甚至能出口到发达国家。
马恒达在像澳大利亚这样的国家表现不错，作为一个可靠的品牌，为预算有限的消费者提供了选择。
所以，如果印度政府现在仍对外国汽车征收高额进口税，那说明政府自己也不相信本土企业有能力在更具竞争力的市场中生存。
这对政府来说，仅仅是形象上的灾难。
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Bureaucrats are kicking Investors out. Tax authority in India is a well known extortionist. Shameful.
官僚正在把投资者赶出印度。印度的税务机关是出了名的“勒索者”。真是可耻。
So, what's the problem here? VW is importing it in unassembled and the assembly is done by Indian engineers and mechanics right? Is the problem here just being govt not getting taxes by a foreign company? This is why we have no proper competition and getting low quality vehicles.
所以问题到底在哪？大众进口的是未组装零件，最后是在印度由工程师和技师组装完成的，对吧？问题就是政府没有从这家外国公司那里收到税？这正是我们没有真正竞争、只能接受低质量车辆的原因。
Another MNC falls for tax terrorism of India. The tax men who raise these disputes will have no consequences, enjoy all the benefits & perks while the company has to face the board of directors, stock price falling down and harassment from the govt. Ultimately they will leave the country leaving thousands jobless. 70% of all tax litigations are squashed by Supreme Court. Still we have no frxwork to make the tax men accountable for these false tax disputes.
又一家跨国公司倒在了印度的“税收恐怖主义”下。那些提出税务争议的税务官员根本不会受到任何惩罚，照样享受福利和特权，而企业却得面对董事会、股价下跌、政府骚扰等各种问题。最终，他们离开印度，留下成千上万的失业者。
印度70%的税务诉讼最终都被最高法院驳回。但我们仍然没有一个机制去追责这些提出虚假税务争议的税官。
This is the reason why Indian automotive market is so depressing. As it is they launch below par cars in India bcoz of heavy taxation. These lunatics would force foreign car manufacturers to leave one by one.
这正是为什么印度的汽车市场这么让人沮丧。本来车企就在印度推出缩水版本的车型，因为税太重。这些疯子会让外国车厂一个接一个地退出。
I am also with VW here. Very difficult to do business. India will attract even less MNC now. These are manufacturing companies that create a lot jobs but hey who cares as bhakt will rejoice this move
我也站在大众这边。做生意太难了。印度现在连跨国公司都吸引不来了。这些制造企业本来能创造大量就业，但谁在乎呢？只要崇拜者们为这项举措欢呼就够了。
If Volkswagen evaded the tax then penalty should be imposed, we will see what the court decides. But if Volkswagen is not found guilty than Indian Govt. shall be penalised by the court.
如果大众真的逃了税，那就该罚款，我们等法院裁决。但如果大众被证明没有罪，那印度政府也应该被法院惩罚。
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Idk how is it possible govt never a chance to loot all our money through taxes. Taking sooo much of money from goods, services, capital gains, income ,securities transactions, custom duty, stamp duty, road tax and then cess etc
But still it govts run out of funds for development of infrastructures and public services, even public transportation prices are increasing
Where does so much money go
真不知道政府怎么可能没钱——他们明明有无数种方法通过税收榨干我们的血汗钱。从商品、服务、资本利得、收入、证券交易，到关税、印花税、道路税，还有各种附加费...搜刮了这么多钱，结果居然连基础设施和公共服务的建设资金都不够？现在连公共交通票价都在疯涨。这么多钱到底流进了谁的口袋？
Even if they did a play, I support it, As a skoda owner I cannot think of a locally built skoda being the same, actually the new locally built cars are actually crappier compared to the ckd prodcuts. This is the same as Bmw making cars in the Usa as germany, the ones made in usa are far worse than German made.
即使他们真的用了什么手段漏税，我也支持他们。作为一名斯柯达车主，我根本无法想象一辆本地制造的斯柯达会和原来的质量一样。
事实上，新出的本地组装车反而比以前的全散件进口组装产品还要差。
这和宝马在美国制造的车是一样的道理——美国造的车就是比德国造的差。
Eventually this tax will by passed onto the consumer.
I am on VW's side. excessive greed of the Govt, is pushing quality down the drain and promoting mediocre products.
And also, this strategy is well know by the Govt. Consumers like me knew it and pretty well evident the authorities knew it as well too.
最后，这些税收都会转嫁到消费者身上。
我站在大众这边。政府的贪婪正在让产品质量一落千丈，反而助长了平庸产品的生存。
而且，这套操作政府早就知道。像我这样的消费者都清楚，更不用说有关部门了。
Any growth oriented government with half a brain would think of aligning with international standards and making the environment conducive for businesses. But here we are, seeing every bit of effort towards providing unfairly advantageous playing field to the domestic players, no matter how screwed the end consumer gets by having to put up with sub standard vehicles.
但凡有点远见关注增长的政府，都会考虑与国际标准接轨，为企业创造有利环境。但在我们这儿，看到的却是千方百计为本土车企提供不公平的竞争优势——哪怕最终消费者只能忍受劣质车辆，被坑得苦不堪言。
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Finance ministry want only tata and mahindra to survive in india. At the same time they want foreign investment in India, that too 100% locally manufactiring. how can someone invest billions suddenly without testing their car. and still when they do a mix up of locally product + import then they sue. this would scare away foreign brands like Ford, Chevrolate.
财政部根本只想让塔塔和马恒达在印度活下去。与此同时，他们又想吸引外国投资，还要求“百分百本地制造”。
你怎么能指望企业一开始就投入几十亿，还没测试市场就全量生产？
好不容易尝试了“部分国产+部分进口”的组合，结果还被起诉。
这只会吓跑像福特、雪佛兰这样的外国品牌。
On a flip side, if any Indian car maker had been sued by the German govt, on the same issue Germans would have supported their govt. rather than siding with the car mfg. In india its exactly opposite...I am not justifying what the govt did, but it feels kinda weird. If rest of the car makers source parts locally, why can't VW?
从另一个角度看，如果是一家印度汽车制造商因为同样的问题被德国政府起诉，德国人肯定会支持他们的政府，而不是站在车企这边。但在印度，情况恰恰相反……我不是在为政府辩护，只是觉得这种局面有点奇怪。如果其他车企都能本地采购零件，为什么大众做不到？
first they tax the automaker and automaker pushes the cost to consumer and then again the taxpayer pays his share of tax, by the time the car reaches end consumer cost is risen by 250% no wonder investors and consumers both are fed up.
一开始他们向汽车制造商征税，车企就把成本转嫁给消费者，然后消费者又要为买车再交一堆税。等车真正到消费者手里时，价格已经涨了250%。难怪投资者和消费者都感到厌倦。
Btw VW is right and have one of the best quality. This tax system has majorly affected the quality of the car nowadays. It's a embarrassing situation where people choose cheaper class of vehicle made by Maruti Suzuki despite of other brands like VW and Toyota.
顺便说一句，大众是对的，而且它的品质也是最好的之一。现在这种税制严重影响了汽车的整体质量。令人尴尬的是，很多人选择了由铃木制造的低端车型，而不是大众、丰田这样的品牌。
VW should win this case. The Govt has been heavy handed with taxes, making them unaffordable in India, because of heavy taxation. They could have increased road tax and improved the roads instead. No, they wanted to milk an MNC instead, which could have brought better quality for the price being paid.
大众应该赢得这场官司。政府对税收太过严苛，导致车价在印度变得无法承受。如果他们能提高路税、用来改善道路，那还说得过去。但他们没有这么做，而是想从一家跨国公司身上榨钱——这家公司本来可以用同样的价格提供更高品质的产品。