为什么我们没有“美国制造”的iPhone？
Why We Don’t Have a Made-in-America iPhone | WSJ News
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特朗普总统的关税旨在将制造业带回美国——包括iPhone。华尔街日报的Joanna Stern详细分析了在美国制造iPhone到底有多困难，以及关税如何影响你下次购买手机的价格。
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President Trump’s tariffs aim to bring manufacturing back to the U.S.—including iPhones. WSJ’s Joanna Stern breaks down exactly how tough it would be to build iPhones here, and how tariffs could affect the price of your next phone.
特朗普总统的关税旨在将制造业带回美国——包括iPhone。华尔街日报的Joanna Stern详细分析了在美国制造iPhone到底有多困难，以及关税如何影响你下次购买手机的价格。
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The Made in China label hiding inside the charging port is brilliant.
隐藏在充电口里的“中国制造”标签真是绝妙。
You can buy tickets to fly to Hong Kong and purchase a zero-tariff iPhone.
你可以买机票飞到香港（特区），购买零关税的iPhone。
We don't have made in America, because Americans can't afford made in America to begin with.
我们没有“美国制造”，因为美国人根本买不起“美国制造”。
if Gary from Alabama is making an iPhone, there will be some missing screws.
如果阿拉巴马的Gary在做iPhone，可能会少几个螺丝。
Literally without Asian countries, America is screwed. Forget tariffs, if today all the Asian countries collectively decide to stop exporting or servicing for America, then how will Americans function? I doubt if they will be able to fulfill all their needs locally or through other countries at a reasonable cheaper price compared to what they get from Asia.
没有亚洲国家，美国就完蛋了。忘了关税吧，如果今天所有亚洲国家共同决定停止为美国出口或提供服务，那么美国人将如何运作？我怀疑他们是否能够在本地或通过其他国家以比从亚洲获得的更便宜的价格满足所有需求。
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Who really wants to work in an iPhone factory? If we can't make manufacturing a high-margin, high-tech product like the iPhone profitable in the U.S., then the dream of "Made in America" might just be wishful thinking.
谁真的想在iPhone工厂工作？如果我们无法在美国使制造像iPhone这样的高利润、高科技产品盈利，那么“美国制造”的梦想可能只是空想。
She forgot to mention another point: the supply chain. There are thousands of upstream suppliers in the same location (Like Shenzhen, China), and it was a result of decades' development. U.S. has already at full employment. You won't find enough people to work in assembly lines.
她忘了提另一个问题：供应链。像中国深圳这样的地方有成千上万的上游供应商，这是几十年发展积累的结果。美国已经接近充分就业，你找不到足够的人来在生产线上工作。
I guarantee there's still ppl Americans that do not know tariffs is a fancy word for IMPORT TAX. Exporting countries don't pay. US importers pays Trump. And knowing importers, they'll pass the extra cost to you, the CONSUMERS.
我敢保证仍然有一些美国人不知道“关税”只是“进口税”的高级说法。出口国不需要支付，进口商需要支付给特朗普。而且，了解进口商的人都知道，他们会把额外的费用转嫁给你们，消费者。
It is just sad that a video like this is needed to explain basic trade. This is something you show to kids.
真的很遗憾，像这样的视频需要用来解释基本的贸易知识。这应该是给孩子们看的。
I have a strong technical manufacturing background. 15 years ago, I took apart an iPhone 4, never again.
我有强大的技术制造背景，15年前我拆解过一部iPhone 4，再也不想做了。
Is that really what they want? A population of100 billionaires and 330 million minimum wage workers? That sounds absolutely great to me. I am from Europe
他们真想要这个吗？一群100个亿万富翁和3.3亿最低工资工人的社会？听起来简直太棒了，我来自欧洲。
German manufacturers, who wants to produce in the US, does not even found workers skilled enough to produce high quality stuff.
So, it´s a dead end.
那些想要在美国生产的德国制造商，甚至找不到足够有技术的工人来生产高质量的东西。所以，这是一条死路。
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When asked how Fascism starts, Bertrand Russell once said: "First, they fascinate the fools. Then, they muzzle the intelligent."
当有人问法西斯主义是怎么开始的时，伯特兰·罗素曾说过：“首先，他们迷惑傻子。然后，他们封锁聪明人。”
No one is going to sit around making $5 dollars a day building iPhone in the US. We are all very obese and dumb.
没有人会坐在那儿，每天拿5美元在美国造iPhone。我们都非常胖又愚蠢。
Impossible. This will take decades, you think some backwoods trump supporter can be a robot repairman?
不可能。这将需要几十年，你认为一些偏远地区的特朗普支持者能成为机器人维修工吗？
Nokia made a number of phones in Texas in the 90s and early oughts. Management never consulted with the assembly line workers about quality issues. They eventually shut down their Texas factory and moved it to Reynosa, Mexico.
诺基亚在90年代和2000年代初期在德克萨斯州制造了一些手机。管理层从未与装配线工人商讨过质量问题。最终，他们关闭了德克萨斯工厂，将生产转移到墨西哥的雷诺萨。
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This right here is the problem with America, they talk too much!
这就是美国的问题，他们说得太多了！
In 1982 there were repair shops in my town. Repair shops for electronics, appliances, etc. Today, there are zero such shops. Because these items are so cheap, nobody repairs them. People just throw them away which clogs our landfills, and buy new ones. No more.
1982年时，我所在的城市有很多修理店。电子产品、电器等都有修理店。今天，已经没有这些店了。因为这些物品变得非常便宜，没有人修理它们。人们只会把它们扔掉，导致垃圾填埋场堆满，接着购买新的。再也没有了。
I switched to the Samsung S lineup years ago and I don't regret it for one minute.
我多年前换成了三星S系列手机，我一点都不后悔。
It’s probably cheaper to buy Apple products in Canada and then travel back during the weekend.
可能在加拿大买苹果产品再周末回来更便宜。
Indians before trump : tariffs bro buy iPhone for me from America
Now American : bro buy me iPhone from india when u visit
特朗普之前的印度人：关税兄弟，从美国给我买iPhone
现在的美国人：兄弟，来印度的时候帮我买iPhone
Republican before- Democrats are squeezing our wallet with Taxes....
Trump- I can fix that... Let's call it Tariff so we can say there's no extra tax
共和党以前——民主党通过税收压榨我们的钱包……
特朗普——我可以解决这个问题……我们叫它关税，这样就可以说没有额外的税收。
You had people at Starbucks on strike asking for more money just to pour coffee on a cup,imagine how much people would want to make iPhones?
你看到过星巴克的员工罢工要求涨薪，只是为了倒咖啡到杯子里，想象一下人们为了制造iPhone会想要多少钱？
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Trump is a moron. I'm all for bringing manufacturing jobs back to America, this ain't it. It'll take DECADES for Americans to learn the KNOW HOW, expertise, skills. Until then, America will long go bankrupt. Save your $$$, it is going to be a tough 2025 and beyond.
特朗普是个傻子。我支持把制造业工作带回美国，但这不是办法。美国人要学习相关技术、专业知识和技能需要几十年。到那时，美国早就破产了。省着点钱吧，2025年及以后会很艰难。
The difference is,.. it takes 3 staffs to assemble a tiny screw here in the U.S while another 5 supervisors are watching over them…
区别在于……在美国，组装一个小螺丝需要三个人，而另外五个主管在看着他们……
It’s about keeping the price up, which will never come down. Then they’ll introduce a subscxtion model on everything.
这就是保持价格不降，价格永远不会下来。然后他们会在所有产品上引入订阅模式。
Unless the American labor force is willing to accept lower pay just to keep the price stable, I doubt that’s gonna happen
除非美国劳动力愿意接受更低的薪资来保持价格稳定，否则我怀疑这会发生。
$1649 if they increase only by hardware cost. And for every $1 of inflation it will increase by $2+, with a new iPhone due this year it is probably realistic to think Apple may well double their basic costs, so $999 becomes $1998, not a surprise.
如果只是硬件成本上涨，价格会是$1649。而每增加1美元的通货膨胀，价格会增加2美元以上，考虑到今年有新iPhone发布，可能现实的情况是苹果会把基础成本翻倍，所以$999变成$1998，完全不意外。
To the rest of the world: Ditch your iPhone, park American cars... divert from all US products and you'll just be fine. America is a sinking ship.. save yourself.
告诉全世界：抛弃你的iPhone，停开美国车... 远离所有美国产品，你会过得很好。美国是沉没的船... 保护自己。
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If you're an anime figure collecting nerd like me, you would already know this. Figures made in Japan are worse in quality than those from China. Japanese companies like Good Smile wanted to do the production in Japan for years, but you just can't match the craftsmanship that needs to be done by human hand in massive quantities.
如果你像我一样是一个动漫手办收藏迷，你应该知道这一点。日本制造的手办质量比中国的差。像Good Smile这样的日本公司多年来一直想在日本生产，但你就是无法匹配那种需要大量人工完成的工艺。
If apple made iPhones here in America, the price is gonna go up. For 1, they gonna have to pay American employees more. For 2, they gonna have to pay for insurance for American employees. In other words, its gonna cost apple more money here in America.
如果苹果在美国制造iPhone，价格肯定会涨。首先，他们需要支付更多的美国员工工资。其次，他们需要为美国员工支付保险。换句话说，在美国制造会花费苹果更多的钱。
"made in Amurica" ain't exactly a sign of quality and icraps are so overrated it's ridiculous.
“美国制造”并不一定是质量的象征，而iPhone真的是被过度吹捧，简直荒谬。
Many components are made outside of the US and cheap labor too! If you make iPhone in there, the price will be higher than other competitors!!!
许多零部件是在美国以外的地方制造的，而且也有廉价劳动力！如果你在美国制造iPhone，价格会比其他竞争对手高！
It is not just tarriffs, but also labor fees are way higher in US. This would cost more billions of for a simple assembly and manufacture when it could be done in a way lower price. Even a simple jeans cost literally 10x higher for the product made in USA compare to made in China for the same material and quality. It is always citizens and consumers that needs to pay a price for the things that leaders do.
不仅是关税，劳动力费用在美国也高得多。这样会让简单的组装和生产成本增加数十亿美元，而这些事情本可以以更低的价格在其他地方完成。甚至一条普通的牛仔裤，在美国生产的成本几乎是中国制造的10倍。最终，受害者总是普通市民和消费者，因为他们需要为领导们的决策买单。
"When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health."
“当一个民主国家生病时，法西斯主义会来到它的床前，但它不是来询问它的健康状况。”
Why you worried about new iphones getting more expensive? Why not talk about essentials getting more expensive? What about medical equipment? What about medicine? Food?
你为什么担心新款iPhone变得更贵？为什么不谈谈生活必需品变贵的问题？医疗设备呢？药品呢？食物呢？
3 to 5 years to train an ARMY of people, build factories, organize the logistics, etc.
Sure, "specialist", LOL
需要3到5年时间来训练一支人军，建立工厂，组织物流等等。真是“专家”，哈哈。
Great tariff result - Apple is shifting iPhone manufacturing out of China - to India.
关税效果显著——苹果正在将iPhone的生产从中国转移到印度。
WSJ, we understand this stuff already. Go explain it to your colleagues at foxnews who are telling everyone tariffs are great and are pretending the markets aren't crashing. Your owners created this monster and you profit from all of it. Quit the pseudo financial intellectual charade.
《华尔街日报》，我们已经明白这些事情了。去跟你们Fox News的同事讲讲吧，他们告诉大家关税很好，并假装市场没有崩溃。你们的老板制造了这个怪物，而你们从中获利。别再玩这种伪金融知识的把戏了。
American are very skillful at going through fast food ordering !
美国人在快速点餐方面非常擅长！
I'm favoured financially with Bitcoin ETFs approval, Thank you buddy.$28,600 weekly profit regardless of how bad it gets on the economy.
我通过比特币ETF的批准，在经济状况再糟糕的情况下，每周赚28,600美元，谢谢你，朋友。
It is not only the assembly. You have to make all parts for an iPhone yourself?! You have to make first production line for the chips, dram, flash memory, display, pcb, mlcc, connectors, batteries etc. For the production those components You need other factories etc. In other words, You need decades to build all factories, production lines and to have qualified workers. Good luck Mr. Trump.
不仅仅是组装。你还需要自己生产iPhone的所有零部件？！你必须先建立芯片、DRAM、闪存、显示器、PCB、MLCC、电池等的生产线。为了生产这些零部件，你需要其他工厂等等。换句话说，你需要几十年时间来建设所有工厂、生产线，并培养合格的工人。祝你好运，特朗普先生。
The US manufactured Fender guitars and Mexican or even Japanese manufactured ones , to get a single unit of The US made ones will definitely burn your pockets than the latter . Though the guitar markets aren't the same as iPhone market , you know you'll have to shell out premium cash once you get the tag MADE IN USA .
美国生产的Fender吉他和墨西哥或日本生产的吉他相比，美国生产的那一款肯定会让你的钱包大出血。虽然吉他市场和iPhone市场不完全一样，但你知道，一旦贴上“美国制造”的标签，你必须准备好支付高额的费用。
The Democrat way of thinking. It is quite hilarious and somewhat pitiful to be honest.
这是民主党思维方式。说实话，既搞笑又有些可悲。
This is theoretical knowledge, but you lack the ability to hold a screwdriver. We will not talk about the application of mathematical formulas now.
这只是理论知识，但你连一把螺丝刀都拿不稳。我们现在不谈数学公式的应用。
I think Americans should learn on how to handle little screws. It is not very hard to do.
我觉得美国人应该学会怎么处理小螺丝。其实并不难。
125% today. Insane. Hold on to what you've got. Get the best case you can and protect that thing. A $2000+ iPhone.
No way Apple is eating the cost.
今天涨了125%。太疯狂了。抓紧你手里的东西。尽量保护好它。2000美元以上的iPhone，苹果不可能承担这个成本。
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I own a sewing factory in Los Angeles and my employees are getting paid minimum wage.. they can sew an iPhone together
我在洛杉矶拥有一家缝纫厂，我的员工拿最低工资……他们可以把iPhone缝制好。
Apple pays Foxconn 10 bucks for assembling an iPhone. You're welcome to compete.
苹果给富士康组装一部iPhone支付10美元。你可以来竞争。
They also have a healthcare that's tremendously lower the min wage. If you want to talk about manufacturer and labor in the USA you need to fix healtcare first.
他们的医疗保健成本低于最低工资。如果你想谈论美国的制造业和劳动力，首先得解决医疗保健问题。
You missed the perspective of production cost in Indian.
你忽略了印度的生产成本视角。
As a Chinese parent, I never thought I’d get the chance to say this to my kid — if you don’t start taking your studies seriously, you’re gonna end up just like those factory workers in the video, tightening screws on an assembly line in the U.S. Congrats, that’s your big American dream.
作为一个中国家长，我从没想到我会对孩子说——如果你不开始认真学习，你就会像视频里那些工厂工人一样，在美国的生产线做着紧固螺丝的工作。恭喜你，这就是你的美国梦
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Vivek Ramaswami, Elon Musk and Donald Trump have already expressed their interest in bringing the Chinese and Indian workforces to America. They want to give Chinese apple employees H1B1s and have the American workforce picking corn for ethanol.
Vivek Ramaswami、Elon Musk 和 Donald Trump 已经表达了将中国和印度劳动力带到美国的兴趣。他们想给中国苹果员工发放H1B1签证，并让美国劳动力去种玉米做乙醇。
It wasn't long ago Motora built cell phones in Texas. Democrats and Republicans would need to agree on a 20 year tarrif/trade plan and convince us they will stick to it for the needed investments to be made. Automation will take time, more than the 2 year voting cycle.
不久前，摩托罗拉还在德克萨斯州制造手机。民主党和共和党需要就一个20年的关税/贸易计划达成一致，并说服我们他们会坚持这个计划，这样才能进行所需的投资。自动化需要时间，比2年的选举周期还要长。
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Expertise?? That's not your problem yet, you have to convince Americans to try that kind of job first..
专业知识？？这不是你现在的问题，你得先说服美国人去做那种工作。
“Not any time soon”…? “3 - 5 years” is soon enough in the context of reversing 50+ years of wrong-headed policy.
“很快不会发生”？在逆转50多年错误政策的背景下，“3到5年”已经足够快了。
Maybe we will get products that last longer. Unfortunate problem with making products in low cost countries, is that there’s a buy and throw culture now. There are a lot of people still running around with iPhone 10’s and they still work pretty fine. No reason we cant have phones that work for greater than five years.
也许我们会得到更耐用的产品。一个不幸的问题是，在低成本国家制造的产品，造成了“买了就丢”的文化。现在很多人还在用iPhone 10，它们仍然很好用。没有理由我们不能制造使用超过五年的手机。
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I HATE TRUMP，Products that will be made in AMERICA IF manufacturing moves back here WILL BE AT LEAST THREE TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE.
我讨厌特朗普，假如制造业回到美国，产品至少会贵三倍。
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It’s now 125% , we may see more made in Vietnam, made in Mexico, made in India sold products but not made in USA.
现在已经涨到125%，我们可能会看到更多“越南制造”、“墨西哥制造”、“印度制造”的产品出售，而不是“美国制造”。
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We dont have an American Made IPhone because, alas, we have child labor laws that keep us from paying children with tiny hands to screw in those tiny screws for $1 an hour.
我们没有美国制造的iPhone，因为，唉，我们有儿童劳工法，这让我们不能雇佣小孩用小手为$1一个小时去拧那些小螺丝。
If America can build an iPhone factory and produce, why wait for the tariffs?
如果美国能够建造iPhone工厂并生产，那为什么还要等关税呢？
I live in Bulgaria, and iPhones here were always more expensive than the US. I wonder if the price will remain the same now, since in our country, as part of the EU, the tariffs haven't changed. But who knows, since it's a product of an American company, imported from China, let's see.
我住在保加利亚，iPhone在这里一直比美国贵。我在想现在价格是否会保持不变，因为我们国家作为欧盟成员，关税没有变化。但谁知道呢，毕竟它是美国公司的产品，从中国进口的，看看吧。
Iphones are not made in America because Apple just has to have high profit margins. So they have these phones produced where cheap labor is to make all that money.
iPhone没有在美国制造，因为苹果公司必须保持高利润率。所以他们把这些手机生产在劳动成本低的地方，以赚取更多的钱。
TARIFFISM: Trump is A TARIFFIST. The question one must ask "ARE YOU A TARIFFIST?
关税主义：特朗普是个关税主义者。我们必须问的问题是：“你是关税主义者吗？”
Is not the skill, is the CEO’s making more money when they hire cheaper labor. China got the skills from practice, I can practice and be as good as a Chinese worker
问题不在于技能，而在于CEO通过雇佣便宜劳动力赚更多的钱。中国通过实践获得了技能，我也可以通过练习，和中国工人一样好。
YES you should have certainly, if you can match the price, volume and salary compensation like China and India. With the big fat unjustified salaries compliying with tha labour laws for all the benefits if it is possible, then I strongly advocate to be every Iphone Made In USA. World will prefer it.
是的，如果你能像中国和印度一样匹配价格、产量和薪酬待遇，且符合所有劳动法的福利，那我强烈支持每部iPhone都在美国制造。全球都会更倾向于它。
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Forgot the part about the nets they have outside the factory windows to catch all the workers jumping out towards their intentional demise
忘了提外面工厂窗户上的网子，用来接住所有跳出去自杀的工人。
The idea is to move maximum of manufacturing to countries like India , vietnam and Indonesia. Meanwhile , the U.S govt. can teach the workers the required skillsets in the factories. And when you're ready its time to take over some of the production. This also applies to items other than an iphone.
这个想法是将尽可能多的制造业转移到印度、越南和印尼等国家。与此同时，美国政府可以在工厂教授工人所需的技能。当工人准备好了，就可以开始接管部分生产。这也适用于iPhone以外的其他物品。
Google tried with the Motorola purchase to have Motorola built in Texas usa. However it was too expensive and they just sold the company to a Taiwanese company went up making it overseas now.
谷歌曾试图通过收购摩托罗拉在美国德州生产摩托罗拉手机。然而，这成本太高，最后他们将公司卖给了一家台湾（地区）公司，现在大多数生产都在海外进行。
I read somewhere that Iphone 16 pro max 512 made 100% in US today with tarrifs will cost in the end 2160$ for sale!Nobody will buy this when your competition sold the same specs at half the price!
我曾看到有消息说，iPhone 16 Pro Max 512GB款现在100%在美国制造，考虑到关税，售价最终可能会达到2160美元！如果竞争对手以一半的价格售卖同样配置的手机，没人会买的！
Wonder if Americans would be willing to pay more for the sake of having American made goods when the issue at hand is high cost of living?
不知道美国人是否愿意为购买美国制造的商品支付更高的价格，尤其在目前生活成本很高的情况下？
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Quite honestly, I don’t want a more expensive iPhone that may end up being a lemon when I can get a cheaper one that I have no issues with. I’ve been using iPhones and iPads exclusively for 14 years.
说实话，我不想要一款更贵的iPhone，万一它是个劣质品，而我可以买到便宜的手机，没有任何问题。我已经使用iPhone和iPad14年了。
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If they're gonna automate those jobs, no significant job increase of their citizens then.
如果他们要自动化这些工作，那就不会对美国公民创造显著的就业机会了。
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I see the problem in the rest of the Planet we use android, the phone does the same thing at a cheaper price
我看到的全球问题是，我们使用的是安卓系统，手机做的事情差不多，但价格更便宜。
There was a time my old job involved making custom phones for Sprint, T-mobile, and Verizon. Now everything is brand.
曾经我的旧工作是为Sprint、T-mobile和Verizon定制手机。现在一切都变成了品牌手机。
If iphone makes in USA, the price will be double because of high labor in usa.
如果iPhone在美国制造，价格可能会翻倍，因为美国的劳动力成本太高。
how about we create a iphone work visa program with special exception to minimum wage laws. do you think china workers will be willing to come to US to work on them?
我们是不是可以创建一个iPhone工作签证计划，特别例外于最低工资法？你觉得中国工人会愿意来美国为他们工作吗？
dude automation in China is way more developed than US leaders seem to realize...
伙计，中国的自动化水平比美国领导人似乎意识到的要先进得多...
None of this can happen overnight, but I truly believe iPhones can be built in factories in U.S.A. Using a fully automated process where not a single person has to build any of it.
Samsung does this with their phones in Korea. They don’t use people to hand build their phones.
I believe this can be done by Apple but it would take a commitment and many, many years to get this up and running.
这些都不可能一夜之间发生，但我真心相信iPhone可以在美国的工厂里制造。采用完全自动化的过程，完全不需要人手来制造任何部分。三星在韩国就是这么做的。他们不使用人工来手工组装手机。我相信苹果公司也能做到，但这需要承诺，并且需要很多很多年才能完成这一过程。