H-1B 签证争论：外国工人是否抢走了美国科技行业的工作？
H-1B Visa Debate: Are Foreign Workers Taking American Tech Jobs?
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美国对技术工人的需求日益增长，尤其是在 STEM 领域，到 2033 年需要增加 100 万名 STEM 工人。
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美国在科技领域对技术工人的需求日益增长，尤其是在科学、技术、工程和数学（STEM）领域。为了应对这一技能缺口，美国自1990年设立了H-1B签证计划，允许企业临时雇佣外籍专业技术人才。每年约有65,000个签证名额，其中一些名额专门为持有美国高等学历的外国人才设立。尽管有些公司为避免签证限制而尝试利用这一计划引进劳动力，但这一政策也引发了争议。
支持者认为，H-1B签证帮助填补了美国劳动力市场的空白，促进了创新并创造了更多的就业机会。然而批评者指出，这一计划让一些企业得以雇佣较低薪酬的外籍工人，进而压低了美国本土工人的薪资水平，甚至导致一些技术职位被外籍工人替代。技术公司对于海外高技能劳动力的依赖，使得这一问题更加复杂。虽然美国本土也有一些技术人员面临裁员或失业，但这些公司依然继续通过H-1B签证吸引外籍员工，本土工人的就业机会受到影响。
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H1b especially bring workers from tier 3 universities from especially india. Who could barely speak english.
Is causing major problems for domestic grads.
Companies like slaves they get happy slaves from third world.
International students studying at our top universities who have american education, english test, donot get job either.
H1b hurts american students aswell as international students who invest good money at best us university and are actually highly qualified. Loose to h1b slaves.
H1B签证引进来的印度三流大学那些工人，连英语都说不利索，结果给本土毕业生造成更大麻烦。公司反倒像奴隶主从第三世界找到了快乐的奴隶似的。那些在美国顶尖大学读书、接受美式教育、通过英语考试的国际生也找不到工作。H1B既伤害了美国学生，也伤害了真正优秀、花大钱读名校的国际生——他们居然输给这群“H1B奴隶”。
The root cause of this problem is that US government does not fund public education and defunded workforce training programs to reduce H-1B Visas taking STEM jobs.
根本原因是美国政府不投资公共教育，还削减职业培训项目，结果STEM岗位反而被H-1B签证持有者占据。
Lottery to pick engineers ? And they call it the best STEM workers ? Elon shud chk this out. It’s a complete joke.
用抽签选工程师？还号称是顶尖STEM人才？马斯克真该查查这事，简直是个笑话。
USA should give scholarships for the USA citizens not giving opportunities to come USA by getting H1B visas.
H1B visas are scammed by Indians, more than 70 percent H1B occupants from India.
Government should put embargo against H1B
美国应该给本国公民发奖学金，而不是通过H1B签证给外国人机会。H1B已经被印度人钻了空子，七成以上持有者来自印度，政府应该设限
USA is the most strange country in the world where president fired his own people from the government jobs and hiring people from India by H1B visas and accolade them in his own country
美国真是奇葩国家：总统一边解雇政府岗位上的本国人，一边用H1B签证招印度人，还在国内吹捧他们。
it doesn't matter whether or not it's true or not. No american company hires a foreign employee any more.
真假根本不重要，反正现在没有美国公司会招外国员工了。
Some of those tech workers could probably do their job remotely from their home country so they don't have to worry about a visa.
有些技术岗明明可以在自己本国远程办公，这些人根本不需要操心签证问题。
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If they want cheaper workers, they will just hire their tech teams in India. They also do this already.
想要廉价劳动力？直接去印度组技术团队就行了，而且他们早就这么干了。
There is no need for H1B, American companies have gotten even cheaper and just hire consultants directly from India now. Pay them 1/10th of the salary with no benefits. It is a win for American corporations and a loss for Americans.
H1B根本没必要，美国公司现在更抠门了，直接雇印度外包顾问，工资给1/10还不发福利。企业赚翻了，美国人亏惨了。
What happened to the free market? Only preach when it benefits them?
自由市场哪儿去了？怎么只有对自己有利时才高谈阔论？
Poorly researched piece focusing on 65,000 visas when 10 million illegals were allowed into the country over the last four years. H1B workers earn on average 120 to 130k, pay the highest taxes, contribute most to the economy due to their spending power, commit no crimes, function as model citizens and we still see fingers pointed at them. It can be argued that mediocre and low IQ average Americans cannot compete intellectually with these skilled workers and are often jealous of their finances, quality of life, and the manner in which they lead their lives - quiet, focused, non confrontational, and goal oriented.
这篇报道研究太差劲：揪着6.5万签证说事，却对过去四年放进来的1000万非法移民视而不见。H1B工作者平均年薪12-13万，缴税最多，消费力强且推动经济，不犯罪、做模范公民，结果还被指责。要我说，那些平庸低智的美国人就是竞争不过这些技术人才，还嫉妒他们的收入、生活质量，以及专注、低调、目标明确的生活方式。
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Indians make up the majority of H-1B visa approvals, but I doubt most of them are truly the best and brightest. If that were the case, India would be the most technologically advanced country in the world—but it’s not. Instead, Indian managers tend to favor hiring fellow Indians and keeping them under control, something they can’t easily do with equally skilled American STEM professionals.
印度人占H-1B签证大头，但我不信他们真是最顶尖的，否则印度早该是全球科技第一强国了。真相是印度经理爱招同胞搞小圈子，方便控制，而同样水平的美国STEM人才可不会任人摆布。
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The outsourcing part for cheaper labor in the U.S is not true. H1-B visa holder must be paid an equivalent salary to a U.S citizen. This is part of the law. I am one H1-B visa holder myself and the only thing that I would say is that being a foreigner in the US is not easy. People talk about the unfairness of hiring foreigner workers and how that takes away opportunities from American citizens. I am sorry, but that is just a propaganda. My American colleagues from college did not have to face any of the challenges that I had to find a job because of their American privilege. It took me a exponentially higher effort to get hired when compared to my American colleagues. So, to clarify, getting hired as an H1-B is not a low hanging fruit, but rather very hard work with an expiration date.
说H1B是为廉价劳动力根本是谣言。按法律规定，H1B持有者必须和美国人同工同酬。我自己就是H1B，只能说在美当外国人太难了，总有人说雇佣外国人抢了美国人机会，但这都是宣传话术。我的美国同学求职时根本不用经历我的困境，他们有国籍特权，我比他们多花数倍努力才能找到工作。因此，需要澄清的是，获得H1-B工作签证并非易事，而是一份需要付出巨大努力且存在有效期限的工作。
My cousin graduated from Mercer University as a Software Engineer and tried to applied to a company but they said they were only hiring Georgia tech graduates & H-1B visa holders. Imagine all the time, money, stress & effort and they’re just gonna hand those jobs to foreigners. Glad I never went college.
我表弟从Mercer大学软件工程专业毕业，去某公司应聘，结果人家说只招佐治亚理工毕业生和H1B签证持有者。想想他投入的时间、金钱和精力，最后工作却拱手让给外国人。还好我没上大学。
You should not report on a topic without proper facts. Recruitment at Amazon Meta Google Microsoft or any major tech is an elaborate process and people who can scale that are made an offer. The job offer is made as a last step with some room for salary negotiations. You are made an offer for a level which has a company defined pay range. Now if that person happens to be on H1 then how is the big tech hiring them for cheap ? On top of that, companies have to pay of their immigration process as well. Elon Musk is absolutely right about tech graduate shortages. Students show focus more on STEM and that culture needs to start at a young age. The consulting companies actually abuse the H1B visas.
报道前先查证事实行吗？亚马逊、Meta、谷歌、微软等大厂的招聘流程极其严格，能过关的都是精英。薪资谈判是最后一步，也是（符合）公司设定的相应薪酬区间。如果某人恰好是H1B，大厂怎么可能低价雇他们？更别提公司还要承担移民手续费用。马斯克说技术人才短缺是绝对正确的，学生应更早重视STEM教育。真正滥用H1B的是那些咨询公司。
Plenty of Americans without jobs. Time to put a country cap on it. Almost 80% of H1B goes to Indians.
那么多美国人失业，该给H1B设国别限额了，近80%的签证都给了印度人。
I wish there was a work incentive system in the United States.
真希望美国能建立一套工作激励机制。
You guys know that China has been using Ai in Everyday, Industrial and Medical segments for the last 5 years. DeepSeek is only new to The West. China is far ahead in Ai than the USA. China is actively recruiting worldwide for the best of the best. And the USA seems to be on a Bobsled to the bottom. Worried some person from a "FOREIGN LAND" is going of take a job. Poor education system makes poor decision makers. China is using Ai to deal with doctor shortages. A huge hospital in Shanghai treated 860,00 ill patients with 133 doctors. And the doctors worked less than they did before Ai. Digest that.
各位知道吗？中国过去五年已经在民生、工业和医疗领域应用AI了，DeepSeek只是西方刚接触的东西，而中国在AI领域已远超美国。中国正全球招募顶尖人才，而美国却像坐雪橇般急速下滑，还在担心“外国人”会抢走工作岗位呢，真是糟糕的教育体系才培养出糟糕的决策者。中国用AI应对医生短缺，上海某大医院靠133名医生治疗了86万病患，且医生的工作量比用AI前更少。好好想想吧。
What the point is they also said A.I will replace engineers?
关键是他们之前还说AI会取代工程师呢？
The issue is IT consulting and not the big tech companies. I have quite a few friends who studied in the US and then got picked up on H1B
They’re paid the same wages - they worked harder, got the better grades, and internships.
问题出在IT咨询公司而非科技巨头。我有不少朋友在美国读书后拿着H1B入职，他们和美国人同工同酬，但更努力、成绩更好、实习更拼。
Whites are so complacent and increasingly becoming mediocre and incompetent that we have to rely on foreign talents because they are now becoming the next inferior race.
白人太自满了而且越来越平庸无能，只能依赖外国人才——现在他们自己倒成了劣等种族。
To much H1B visa bad for Usa, India etc. We face brain drain while you face to much inflow. Both need to stop. Many Indian student spending fortune some of money on American degree , with that amount they can start their business here. To much wrong priorities
H1B泛滥对美印都是坏事。我们遭遇人才外流，你们面对过量涌入，两边都该停手。许多印度学生砸钱拿美国学位，其实这笔钱足够在印度创业了，优先顺序完全搞反了。
Unemployed Senior Software Engineer (USA) Here. H1-B Visas absolutely negatively affect me and my career.
我是美国资深软件工程师，目前失业中。H1B签证绝对损害了我的职业发展。
People are being laid off in tech job - the number of unemployed in tech job is really high- this program needs to stop.
科技行业裁员潮下失业者众多，这项目必须叫停。
The Visa process sucks. Hiring immigrants is confusing and I wish it was streamlined.
签证流程烂透了，雇佣移民也搞得人晕头转向，真该简化。
Foreign workers have been taking American jobs for decades. Is this really a question? Companies can get foreigners cheaper so they get them and save the money.
外国人抢美国人饭碗都几十年了，这还用问？公司能低价雇外国人，自然乐得省钱。
H1-B visa holders that were hired actually got higher pay and positions than the locals who have equal or better qualifications in order to boost visa holders’ credentials. Isn’t offshoring enough to “save money”? Why do you need to bring them in and pay them more than the locals?
有些H1B持有者的薪资职位反而高于同等或更优秀的本地人，就为镀金他们的资历。外包还不够“省钱”吗？何必高薪引进外国人？
It's funny because what the world sees is the u.s. hoarding all the talent, quite a different take
可笑的是，全世界看到的是美国在囤积人才——和这个说法截然相反啊。
Americans have no such brains talents intelligence STEM skills expertise and technology like Indians to do tech jobs . thatswhy Aamerica is hiring lakhs of Indian techies every year to do jobs in America .
美国人根本没印度人那种脑子、天赋和科技技能来做技术岗，所以美国每年要招几十万印度码农来干活。
Years of not funding education for citizens has finally come to roost
多年不投资公民教育，现在报应来了。
Why do we need to understand though? Understand 200k Einstein in US that can come only from India. It will less headache for all if fewer and truly exceptional people come.
有什么好理解的？要明白美国需要的20万“爱因斯坦”只能从印度来。少招点人，只引进真正顶尖的，大家就都省心了。
I still don't understand when H1Bs are like 0.2% of USA population, how can 0.2% people are a creating a job loss for 99.8% people and that too this 0.2% can only work on STEM by law..
我不明白：H1B只占美国人口0.2%，这0.2%的人怎么就能让99.8%的人丢饭碗？而且按法律他们只能做STEM岗位啊。
We need skilled workers to keep up with tech advancements!
我们需要技术工人来跟上科技发展！
The thing is... if you really want to reduce the H1b influence, Americans should endorse STEM fields at a blistering pace, like with a do or die attitude, and be flexible in early career.
关键是...真想削弱H1B影响，美国人就该以破釜沉舟的态度拥抱STEM领域，并在职业初期保持灵活。
I was an H-1B employee at Amazon U.S., and I’d like to address a couple of misconceptions:
The idea that H-1B employees are cheap labor is simply not true for companies. In fact, hiring immigrants can be more expensive due to visa transfer, extensions, and compliance costs.
USCIS required additional documentation to verify that I was the right fit for my role at Amazon. This highlights that the government actively reviews applicants' backgrounds, education, and work experience before approving a visa.
During Amazon’s 2022 layoffs, the company paused Green Card sponsorships. As my H-1B period ended, I moved to Canada.
These points illustrate that companies like Amazon follow ethical hiring practices, and the government also applies strict scrutiny before approving foreign worker petitions to protect local interests.
That said, no system is perfect—there can be instances of misuse, just like in any other program. But the key is to continuously improve the system to make it better and fairer for everyone.
我曾是亚马逊美国的H1B员工，想澄清几个误解：
说H1B是廉价劳动力完全不成立，实际上雇移民更贵，因为涉及签证转移、延期和合规成本。
移民局要求我额外提交材料证明胜任亚马逊岗位，这说明政府批签证前会严格审查申请者背景、教育和经历。
亚马逊2022年裁员时暂停绿卡赞助，我的H1B到期后只能搬去加拿大。
这证明亚马逊等公司遵循道德招聘，政府也为保护本地利益严格审核。当然系统不完美，可能有滥用现象，但关键是持续改进，让所有人更公平。
Immigration that is used to exploit labor should be illegal. If there's a labor shortage, then offer free college tuition for STEM jobs. Don't force people into massive debt just to get a degree that doesn’t pay well.
利用移民制度剥削劳工的行为早该被取缔。真要解决用工荒，就该给STEM专业提供免费大学教育，而不是逼着年轻人背上巨额贷款拿个根本不值钱的学位。
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What I find amusing is that so many people claim the US tech worker is lazy and unproductive. Yet the truth is, when software projects have been outsourced to teams overseas with three times the number of engineers for the same cumulative pay, the outsourced project falls apart and in a very large percentage of cases must be brought back on-shore to prevent the product from losing the market. Even when compared at a ratio of 3 to 1, US software engineers still out-produce foreign software engineers.
最可笑的是总有人唱衰美国程序员又懒又低效，但事实摆在眼前：企业花同样的钱外包给三倍人数的海外团队，结果项目烂尾，最后不得不重新拉回本土抢救市场。就算按3:1的人数比例，美国程序员的产出照样碾压海外同行。
I’ve been hiring in tech for a long time. There are literally entire ecosystems to cover up the H1B fraud. Ever dealt with proxy interviewing (one guy interviews..a completely different guy shows up)? Proxy workers (one guy sits here…another guy remotes in and does his work)? Resumes that are literally MADE UP by the company (last one I remember personally seeing is Cognizant)? It is like an epidemic in India.
我在科技行业做招聘多年，整个印度简直形成了掩盖H1B欺诈的产业链。你遇见过替身面试吗？就是面试时来的是A，入职后变成B。还有远程替工，工位上坐的是张三，实际干活的是李四。更别说科联这种公司直接伪造简历的骚操作了，这些造假行为在印度已成流行病。
They aren't going only into Tech. They are doing blue collar jobs too.
别以为他们只抢科技岗，蓝领工作也被占了。
I think the problem is that we have too many, we can still have them where we need them but not to the same level
问题出在数量失控，该保留的岗位保留，但别像现在这样泛滥成灾。
One aspect they forget to mention is, during the application for a H1-B Visa, the employer must prove that the labor wages is fair or comparable to the wages in the state for that same position which has to be approved by the state labor bureau.
他们漏说了一个关键点：申请H1B时，雇主必须向州劳工局证明该岗位薪资符合当地同等职位标准。
First, it's illegal immigrant, then legal immigrant, people of LGBTAQ+, people of color, and then women. Just so you wait for it.
先是打击非法移民，接着拿合法移民开刀，然后是LGBTQ群体、有色人种，最后轮到女性。这套路等着瞧吧。
H-1B visas should be reserved for highly talented workers. I don’t believe they should be used to replace jobs that only require basic SQL or other common software skills.
H1B应该留给真正的高端人才，而不是用来取代那些只需要基础SQL技能的入门岗位。看着大批美国本土毕业生投了上万份简历，结果连初级IT岗都被H1B抢走，实在心寒。更糟的是招聘来的同乡抱团，搞得美国员工在职场像局外人。
The projected shortage of skilled labor is ten times higher than the number of H-1B visas offered to industry. Academia is a different story...
行业需要的技术工人缺口比H1B配额高出十倍，学术界情况倒是另说...
The United States does need experience foreign workers. We do not need non-skilled workers
美国确实需要技术移民，但绝不应该是低技能劳工。
Between all the big 5 listed on the graph that is 30,000 jobs that Americans are losing to foreigners that is 30,000 people whose living situation could be changed by getting one of those jobs and to everyone who says some of those jobs are lowing paying entry level jobs by giving the job to foreigners you have literally pushed Americans to the bottom of the ladder in terms of giving them upward mobility because those entry level jobs could help improve thier financial situation because even if you don't get promoted at the company you are with you could jump to another company and get a promotion once you get more experience
图表里的五大公司就抢走3万美国人的饭碗，这意味着3万家庭失去改变生活的机会。那些说"这些只是低薪入门岗"的人根本不懂：正是这些初级岗位给了美国人向上流动的阶梯。即便在本公司没升职，积累经验后跳槽也能获得晋升机会，现在连这个通道都被外国人堵死了。
There is no shortage of Engineers. What a lie!!
工程师根本不存在短缺，彻头彻尾的谎言！！
I'm one of those oddball H-1B visa holders not from India, China or any other country with high immigration to the US. But the thought that I "took" someone's job is just sad to me. I worked hard, gained experience in my field and applied for an internal transfer to the US. If I discover that I was hired just because I'm cheaper than an American... well.... that really is like getting slapped in the face. I work hard, and yes, I too am always scared that I could get fired and that I have to leave the country. But please, I have no intention of "taking" anybody's job. I just want to contribute to this amazing country and live my life in freedom.
作为非中印籍的少数H1B持有者，"抢饭碗"的说法让我心寒。我凭实力积累经验申请内部调职，如果发现公司只是因为我比美国人便宜才录用，那真是当头一棒。虽然整天担心失业遣返，但我从没想抢谁工作，只想为这个国度做些贡献，自由地生活。
I think this video is very misleading. They did not give statistics on H1B that finished the degree in the United States, not hired directly from overseas. These people received the same education with US citizens and thus have the same salary expectation. The H1B was actually a "malicious yet clever" move of the U.S. to keep talented external people to stay committed to a specific company because under this visa, before getting the green card, you are not allowed to switch employers.
视频误导性太强，根本没统计在美国完成学业的H1B。这些人和本土学生接受同样教育，薪资要求相同。H1B本质是美国用绿卡拴住人才的阴招——拿卡前不能跳槽，逼你死心塌地为东家卖命。
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YES and We are sick of it! How am I supposed to gain experience when all the low level IT positions are off shored. It's to the point where it is going to cause a national security problem because the government can't find qualified people for cyber security. Additionally, how in the world can I compete with someone who is willing to work for 1/4th of my pay. Globalism only benefits the corporations not the average person. No more offshoring jobs for customer service as well.
受够了！初级IT岗全外包，我们怎么积累经验？现在连政府都招不到合格的网络安全员，迟早酿成国安危机。更别提和要价只有我1/4的人竞争。全球化只对企业有利，却坑了百姓，客服外包也该叫停！
Yes, they are, you got PLENTY of VERY HIGHLY EDUCATED Americans, that can take these jobs, why import knowledge, when you already have it in America, NO SCHOOLS ARE BETTER, than in America, so... AMERICA FIRST, what Donald always says... And the weird thing is, especially under Joe and Obama, lot of Americans went abroad, who silly is that, when you can just stay HOME...
美国明明有大批高学历人才，何必引进？论教育质量，哪国比得上美国？就该美国优先！可气的是奥巴马和拜登任内，那么多美国人还往外跑——有福不享非要出国，傻不傻？
Foreigner not taking any jobs from Americans because Americans themselves do not go to school.
外国人没抢美国人饭碗，要怪就怪美国人不读书。
H1B visas have been watering down salaries for American scientists and engineers for decades now. American scientists have not much competition versus many of these foreign H1B visa recipients. Some of the issues are in fields where chemistry, physics and engineers are mostly affected are due to these workers that come as students to the United States. Most American students get into student loan debt while foreign students are not allowed to borrow money so by the time an American kid comes out school, he or she might have $100,000 while the foreign student has none. While the market should be based by regions and not by taking the whole country as consideration (due low and high living cost areas differences) employers tend to use the whole country market already diluting salaries for all technical workers. Foreign students usually want to stay in the US for financial situations as they might go back to their countries of origin such and especially places like India, Pakistan, China and generally speaking mid and southeastern countries do not have as many technical jobs nor pay very well. So employers with this knowledge understand that sponsoring newly graduated in STEM fields from these other countries will take lesser salaries "with the same quality work" as an American worker. While the American technical worker could leave a job or position at will due to low pay, little to not benefits, foreign technical workers must be sponsored by their companies to stay in the US. Employers understanding these, will have lower paying employees for the same quality and will likely stay with the company much longer than fairly paying an American technical worker. This happens a lot in areas where high concentration of technical industries are located like Los Angeles ares or New York or Texas oil and gas industries. American technical workers move to other part of the country to find decent paying work while foreign technical workers are hired by companies with many subcontractors’ foreign technical workers where technology (intellectual property) is usually stolen and taken back to their countries of origin (if they get tired of living in the US). Case and point, the F-35 replica China builds for the Chinese air force or the continuos industrial espionage to steal new technologies away from the US. Such employers are short sided by the little money they are saving and not by the consequences of creating a strong foreign competitor in few years. As the salaries become lower and lower for American technical workers there is less incentive to study a career that will give you much financial benefit and that is why people like Elon Musk supposedly complains that not many Americans want to become scientists or engineers while is a big beneficiary of not hiring Americans. In few words, if you are an American technical worker applying for a job, your resume is going to the bottom list or not need to apply.
H1B数十年如一日地压低美国科技人员薪资。本土科学家面对这些外来者毫无竞争力，尤其在化学、物理和工程领域。美国学生背着10万学贷毕业时，外国留学生却因无法贷款而零负债。企业利用全国薪资标准（无视地区生活成本差异）稀释技术岗薪酬。来自中印巴等国的留学生为留美甘愿接受低薪，毕竟回国后既缺高薪岗又少技术岗。企业心知肚明：用同样的钱雇外国人，既能压价又能靠签证拴住人——他们可比随便跳槽的美国人"忠诚"多了。这种现象在洛杉矶、纽约、德州等技术产业密集区尤为严重，逼得本土人才外流。更糟的是，这些外籍员工常通过分包商Q取知识产权（比如中国仿制F35），企业为省小钱却养虎为患。薪资持续走低导致美国年轻人不愿投身STEM，马斯克之流一边抱怨人才荒，一边正是压榨外籍劳工的既得利益者。简言之，美国技术人才投简历时，你的资料早就被HR扔进垃圾桶了。
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We need to put a smaller cap on h1-b visa and hire more American workers and unemployed students
该大幅缩减H1B名额，多招本土失业学生。
these are lies, I have been in the industry for 30 years and the h1b workers are not more skilled than locals, and there isn't a shortage, in fact, I know a lot of great American engineers who are out of work and can't find jobs, especially those over 50 as there is a huge amount of age discrimination and over 50 is your most experienced workforce. It only means one thing, companies want to find the cheapest labor possible, that's it.
全是谎言！从业30年从没见过H1B比本地人强，更不存在人才荒。我认识大批优秀美国工程师失业，尤其是50岁以上遭遇年龄歧视的资深人才。企业就是图便宜，没别的。
For some reason don’t feel it. Companies keep laying off. Are companies hiring more? I havmt seen it?
完全没感觉到用工荒，企业明明在裁员啊？哪来的扩招？
You name a technology and Indian applicant will have it on his resume
随便说个技术，印度求职者简历上准能看到。
If you stop contracting companies to sponsor H-1Visa most of the problems will be solved
禁止外包公司担保H1B，问题解决大半。
Most of people say that they hire Indians to cut costs but this is not true because the average earning is these H1B visa holders are higher than average american. And most of these H1B visa holders waiting to get GC but the waiting period can go as high as 100 years, And These H1B visa holders are top 1% student of India most of them studied in IITs , NITs or top engineering colleges from country so no way they are less competitive than others , on top of that they are highly motivated because the amount of money they are making there is way higher that they can expect here so they are ready to work harder than their American peers , while many are also saying that if they are talented enough why they are coming here and not making startup like in their home country , because Indian market is still not developed like american market , many of these people who have managed to start their bussiness in US couldn't be able to start bussiness here not because they are not capable but because of government regulatory and ease of doing bussiness or infact people's perception and also US is a big market . While I don't want these highly skilled people to leave our country but as long as USD 1 = INR 85 remains outsourcing will keep happening , talented youth will keep leaving this country for better future . I don't think they deserved to being hated because they are ready to do job which american will not want to do .
说雇印度人为省钱是误解——H1B平均薪资高于美国人。这些印度顶尖人才（多来自IIT、NIT等名校）等绿卡要等上百年。他们赚的钱远超印度本土，自然比美国同事拼命。有人问"这么牛为何不去印度创业"？因为印度市场不成熟、监管严、民众认知差，而美国市场广阔。虽然不愿意出现人才外流情况，但只要美元兑卢比维持高位，外包就不会停。他们甘愿做美国人不愿做的苦差，不该仇视他们。
Stop calling it “skill visa”. We all know is a cheap labor visa.
别美其名曰"技术签证"，谁不知道是廉价劳工签证。
A total of 440,000 H1B workers are in the US right now.
In a country of 340 million and a $ 30 trillion economy, if H1B is found responsible for unemployment, high costs.
It's nothing different from the propaganda against Jews being blamed by Hitler for all of Germany's ills.
目前美国共有44万H1B工作者。在3.4亿人口、30万亿美元经济体量的国家，如果将失业和高成本归咎于H1B的话，这与希特勒将所有德国困境归罪于犹太人的宣传手段如出一辙。
America has China to worry about and if Americans can't understand that then they need some serious travelling to do , America needs foreign talent or else China is taking over
美国需要警惕中国的崛起，如果美国人无法理解这点就真该多出去看看世界。美国需要引入海外人才，否则将被中国全面赶超。
Alright... So American companies are taking that much of headache and paying thousands as legal and immigration fees just to save few bucks...right?
好吧...所以美国公司宁愿大费周章支付成千上万的律师费和移民手续费，就为了省点小钱？是这意思？
stop this fake H1b debate. The real issue is offshoring. But you don’t talk about that because big corporations will shut you down and you want to save just your job.
American employees are tutoring offshore developers on the job and this hurts American economy. Who is going to buy Ford or Tesla, with all these jobs gone?
别搞这些虚假的H1B辩论了，真正的问题是离岸外包，但你们闭口不谈，因为大企业会让你们闭嘴，而你们只想保住自己的饭碗。
美国员工正手把手地培训海外开发者，这种行为在损害美国经济，大家都没工作了，谁还买得起福特或特斯拉？
Too many people from india working in us company's
在美国公司工作的印度人实在太多了
The ultimate mantra is "work hard and they won't bother you"..
终极生存法则是"努力工作就不会被找麻烦"
Only 2.5% of total graduates with computer science degree in USA are unemployed. They are just 60k. But, there nearly 1 million people working in IT who are on H1b/ L1/ EAD visa etc. How they can be replaced? 10 to 15% lower wages because of these programs are real. But, what is the solution? just hire low skilled/ unsuitable people to replace them? It will be a big mess in reality.
美国计算机专业毕业生失业率仅2.5%，约6万人。但IT行业有近百万H1B/L1/EAD等工作签证持有者。怎么就替代他们了？这些签证项目导致薪资降低10-15%是事实，但解决方案是什么？难道要雇佣低技能或不合适的人来做吗？现实中只会乱套。
Short on skilled labor but at the same time gutting the Department of Education ...
一边喊着技术工人短缺，一边削减教育部预算...
Yes NDNs have a whole pipeline in recruiting to deny American workers just to hire H1B workers. Its a well known thing amongst them, they don't even hide it.
某些印度裔招聘官确实存在系统性排斥美国劳工、偏袒H1B的情况，这是圈内公开的秘密，他们甚至毫不掩饰。
One thing CNBC needs to look into are the foreign workers coming over with fake degrees,
there was a reporting done about 4 years ago but no one paid attention!
I'm sure there are well qualified engineers but it's obvious a lot of these foreign workers are being hired for the cheaper wages for the company to save money.
CNBC应该调查持假学历入境的外籍劳工，四年前就有相关报道但无人关注！当然存在真正合格的工程师，但显然很多人被雇佣纯粹因为工资低廉。
Yes, foreigners are taking American tech jobs. Ask any young US college grad if they can find a tech job.
没错，外国人正在抢走美国的科技岗位，随便问个刚毕业的美国大学生，看他们能不能找到科技类的工作。
As a biochemist myself, and a brother-in-law who came in from H1-B for computer engineering, I can completely attest to H1-B workers being brought in to replace American workers with cheap tech labor. My brother-in-law was making $80K as on worker visa, and once married my sister-in-law, his salary immediately 2X overnight after changing visa status. In my field, we hire foreigners for entry-level STEM careers simply so we don't have to pay the salary we would a citizen. It’s insane and akin to modern-day indentured servitude.
作为生物化学从业者，且有个通过H1-B从事计算机工程的姐夫，我完全能证明H1B劳工是被用作替代美国技术工人的廉价替代品。我姐夫持工作签证时年薪8万，与表姐结婚转换签证身份后，薪资立刻翻倍。在我这个领域我们雇佣外籍人士从事STEM初级岗位，纯粹因为不用支付公民同等的薪资。这种制度既荒谬又类似现代契约奴役。
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You need low skilled workers as much as high skilled workers. Until Elon delivers his robots.
在马斯克造出机器人之前，低技能劳工和高技能人才同样重要。
I pity those who say/think that companies hire H1B workers to keep costs low. These guys have no idea how much more it costs (time, energy and money wise) a company to go for a H1B candidate instead of a local hire!
The real reason behind companies preferring H1Bs has got nothing to do with cost but QUALITY & QUANTITY of work. Something that is crucial in today's age & business. Most locals want high pay but are not willing to deliver high outputs! Why would I pay someone more money to get less work done? Corporations are not fools to not realize this.
真可怜那些认为企业雇H1B是为省钱的人，他们根本不知道企业要为此额外耗费的时间、精力和资金！企业偏爱H1B的真实原因无关成本，而是工作质量和效率——这在当今商业环境中至关重要。多数本地人要价高还不愿高产，为什么要花更多钱买更低的产出？企业可不傻。
All big tech companies play well with great benefits. If they want cheap labor why pay so well?
所有科技大厂福利待遇都很优渥，如果真是想要廉价劳工，又何必支付高薪水？
The idea that H1B holders are paid less is simply not true for big tech. There are established pay bands per level at big tech companies, and your offer is a function of your interview performance (hence level).
说H1B持有者薪资更低在科技大厂根本不成立，这些公司有明确的职级薪资标准，薪酬取决于面试表现（即职级）。
I've been on an H1B and have firsthand experience with fraud within the system. Thousands of H1B holders lack basic job skills. The US Department of Labor or USCIS should conduct a 15-minute video interview before issuing a visa to see how many qualify. This should be done every time a renewal is applied. Unfortunately, many of my peers were directly or indirectly tied to Indian consultancies with strong connections to hiring and team managers.
作为前H1B持有者，我亲历过系统内的欺诈行为。成千上万H1B持有者缺乏基本的工作技能，美国劳工部或移民局应该在签发签证前进行一个15分钟视频面试验证资质，每次续签也应该如此。可悲的是，许多同行与印度咨询公司之间存在直接或间接关联，这些公司与招聘经理也关系密切。
We should kick out all the immigrants who are working on the farms making $10 an hour so Americans can take those jobs, but we should let h1b visas in so that big corporations don't have to pay Americans $100k for the higher skilled jobs.
Trump logic.
按特朗普的逻辑，我们应该驱逐所有在农场拿10美元时薪的移民，好让美国人接手这些工作，同时引进H1B签证持有者，让大企业不用为高技能岗位支付美国人10万美元年薪了。
Indian software engineers are some of the dumbest worst you can get.
印度软件工程师可能是你能找到最笨最差劲的，真是没见过更差劲的。
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These companies love their slaves. Who says slavery is dead.
这些公司就喜欢用奴隶工，谁说奴隶制消失了？
More Microsoft tech support please
麻烦多来点微软技术支持人员行吗？
Even if they are not explicitly taking jobs they are putting a downward pressure on wages .. are we suspending our believes in supply and demand all of a sudden ?
就算他们没明抢工作，也是在压低工资水平...难道我们要突然推翻供需规律吗？
When kids don’t study STEM domestically, it leads to market demand-supply gap which needs to be filled. This leads to different ways to fill this gap by several employers of different kinds- some right, some wrong, and some other, fall in the grey area.
国内孩子不学STEM就会造成市场供需缺口，企业只能用各种手段填补——有些正当有些违规，还有些游走灰色地带。
等美国年轻人开始按国家需求量去学习STEM时，我们才有资格讨论别的可能性。
The visa program discourages Americans from going into stem fields
H1B签证项目阻碍了美国人进入STEM领域
I would say all H1B workers are below average and cheap labour
要我说所有H1B员工都是低于平均水平的廉价劳动力
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without h1b every company will eventually move to India
没了H1B签证，所有公司迟早都要搬到印度
As an Indian businessman. I don't support it. My taxes go to IITs, the elite Technology schools which compete with MIT and Harvard. But all the graduates work in American companies or are Taken away to United States.
作为印度商人，我反对这种现象，纳税人的钱都投给对标麻省理工的印度理工了，结果那些毕业生全跑去美国公司工作。
印度政府应该阻止这种乱象，我坚决建议把每个在美印度人都遣返，当局应专注印度发展，而不是给美国输血。
If we put restrictions on h1b, companies will just move the jobs oversees.
限制H1B只会让企业把岗位转移到海外
companies want h1bs because they have leverage over them. work 100 hours a week for us or get deported.
企业喜欢H1B员工是因为能拿捏他们：要么每周干100小时，要么被驱逐出境。
Not a debate. Companies need them cuz local population does not have the same set of skills.
没什么好争的，企业需要这些人就是因为本地人没有同等的技能。
A significant chunk of H1-B applicants that came across my desk, around 20-30% had wildly fabricated education and work histories.
经手过的H1B申请中，约20-30%存在严重的学历和工作经历造假。
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有人去哈佛旁听几节课就敢说自己是校友，像印孚瑟斯这种外包公司不仅纵容造假，还亲自动手改简历。
STOP H1B Visa or reduce to 50% or less.
要么彻底停发H1B，要么至少砍掉一半名额
I feel like this fails to show that H1B workers tend to have a work ethic like no other.
你们没提到关键点：H1B员工的工作态度无人能及
Finally it's nice to see Women in tech
不过看到更多女性入行倒是好事
It's just companies taking advantage of cheap labor. Nothing new. H1b visa holders work hard and are here for decades at one job for peanuts.
老套路了，企业压榨廉价劳动力，H1B员工拼命干活，拿着微薄薪水在同一岗位耗几十年。
These employees are mostly top performers due to the fact that they need the companies more than the companies need them.
由于他们更需要公司，反而成了最拼命的优秀员工。
My company goes above and beyond to hire the best talent, no matter if the candidate is a US citizen or not.
我们公司竭诚招聘顶尖人才，国籍不是门槛。
The current screwed up h-1b system actually helps them! If Govt allows everyone to enter - these H-1bs will not be able to get their decent or high pays anymore!
现在混乱的H1B系统反而保护了他们！要是全面放开，这些人根本拿不到现在的工资！
We need country caps on H-1Bs. 72% from India is an outrage....No American signed up for this. Put this on any ballot and it will never pass
必须设置国别限额，72%都来自印度太离谱了，这事要是公投绝对通不过。
Average American engineers should be making the same salary as surgeons, lawyers etc... but they are not because H-1B has driven down the wage market.
美国工程师本该和外科医生赚得一样多，都是H1B压低了工资水平。
There is no degree you cannot buy in India. Their educational minister even had a FAKE degree.
印度学历都能买，他们教育部长文凭都造假。
If India have all these so called skilled workers why is India a sh!thole? China is right next door and they have advanced way beyond our wildest dreams and they don't have H1-B
如果印度真有这么多所谓的技能型人才，怎么还是个粪坑国家？隔壁中国没搞H1B签证，发展速度却远超我们想象，简直甩我们几条街。
H1B takes jobs that Americans actually want and allow us to be middle class. The only jobs left would be minimum wage jobs.
H1B抢走了美国人真正想要的中产岗位，剩下的只有最低工资的苦力活可干。
Elon said people in the USA are to dumb for those jobs it’s hard to disagree with that since teachers and students focus on social issues instead of education. Most students in the USA don’t even learn the metric system till university.
马斯克说美国人太蠢做不了那些工作，这话很难反驳，毕竟师生都忙着搞社会运动而不是学习。多数美国学生到大学才接触公制单位，基础太差了。
If American workers won’t so lazy and entitled H-1B visa workers wouldn’t even be looked at. It’s your own fault. Try harder. Stop looking inwards so much, and look outwards.
要不是美国工人又懒又自以为是，谁还看H-1B劳工？这锅得自己背。多努努力，别整天盯着自己那点破事，眼界放开点。
The big issue is longer retention. Employees have to maintain their tenure at company if they're in PERM process. Switching jobs means newer PWD and PERM filing. When the wait is more than a year, companies get higher retention of immigrants compared to US workers by at least 2 years or more
最大问题是留人时间，申请劳工证（PERM）期间员工不敢跳槽，换工作就得重新走薪资审查和劳工证流程。由于等待期超一年，所以公司对移民员工的留任时长能比美国人多至少两年。
just require H1B to have the same salary range as US Citizen, you'll see how this will stop instantly. This isn't a lack of skilled workers, this is a cost cutting measure. H1B can't even switch jobs without risk of losing their progress and obviously can't complain about paid or they'll get fire and go back to their country
强制H1B与美国人同工同酬，乱象立马消失。根本不是缺人才纯粹是压成本。H1B劳工连跳槽都不敢，怕绿卡进度清零，被克扣工资更不敢吱声——否则卷铺盖回国。
I teach engineering at a local university and I have heard some students are considering moving out of SW Engineering because they are concerned the current supply is going to exceed demand. Another issue is that the current the number of foreign students (fueled be the H-1B opportunity) is making it harder for US students to get into top universities. This is further amplified because universities get more money for foreign students than they get for US ones.
我在大学教工程学，听说有学生因担心软件工程师供过于求而考虑转行。更严重的是，受H-1B诱惑涌来的留学生挤占了美国学生进名校的机会，毕竟学校收留学生能多捞钱。
h1B is new slavery, contracting companies mostly dominated by white people who do barely no work take around 30-40% of the h1B visa workers salary.....
H1B就是新型奴隶制，那些白人掌控的外包公司几乎不干活，却能抽走H1B员工30-40%的工资。
If you're so smart, why couldn't you stay in your own country and make all the money and create all the jobs you want? You are a traitor to your own country and taking other countries' jobs. You are nothing more than a parasite. Or, how about make your own country the envy of the world? Didn't you say you are smart?
这么聪明怎么不留在母国赚钱创造就业？你们是祖国的叛徒，抢别人国家饭碗的寄生虫。不是说聪明吗？有本事把母国建设成世界标杆啊！
The only one that thinks the American dream alive is the visa worker lol
现在只有签证劳工还相信美国梦呢，笑死。
This visa is a scam because there is no more labor shortage. Of course they are taking jobs from Americans, this is just a matter of supply and demand.
现在根本不缺劳工，这签证就是骗局。他们当然在抢美国人工作，但纯粹市场供需问题。
The other issue that the US will not be able to fix is that many large companies just set up remote work places in other countries with more skilled workers that can work on terminals lixed into the US servers, basically making them domestic workers without having to move them into the US.
美国无法解决的另一个问题是，许多大公司直接在技能更优秀的外国设立远程办公点，让当地员工通过终端连接到美国服务器工作，说白了就是无需移民美国，就能把他们当本土员工用。
The unfortunate reality is that most Americans cant afford the education required to compete with international graduates at a higher level. We bring in very few US employees at our place compared to Asia and Europe at the tech company I work for. We do bring in some Americans, but they are a minority. Domestically Americans just cant compete. Yes there is abuse in the program as well, but even if you eliminate it, most Americans won't be able to compete.
残酷的现实是，大多数美国人根本负担不起与国际顶尖毕业生竞争所需的教育成本。在我任职的科技公司里，相比亚洲和欧洲员工，我们录用的美国人少得可怜。虽然确实会招些美国人，但终究是少数群体，本土美国人就是缺乏竞争力。当然项目里也存在滥用现象，但即便消除这些漏洞，多数美国人还是拼不过。
The unfortunate truth is that the average H1B holder is likely in the top 1% of all performing employees. They often start of as the brightest students in their country and have to be the best students at US Universities to even get hired. Then they have to a top performing employee for that organization to consider applying for the Visa multiple times till they get it. These barriers to entry ensure that only the very best are sexted. But in all honesty we're just being wasteful with the abundance of talent coming through our doors
真相是，普通H1B持有者可能已是全体员工中顶尖的1%。他们往往先是母国的精英学子，又得在美国大学里出类拔萃才能被聘用，接着还要持续表现优异，让公司愿意多次帮他们申请签证。这种高门槛确保了只选最强者。但说实话，面对汹涌而来的顶尖人才，我们却在暴殄天物。
With indian tech labor you get what you pay for. No quality or skill. Just numbers and bunch of lies
印度技术劳工就是一分钱一分货，毫无质量或技能可言，纯粹拿人海战术充数，还满嘴跑火车。
There is no shortage of skilled labor in America. Otherwise why would there be hundreds of applications for a job position?
There is shortage of cheap labor in America. These tech companies prioritize profits over citizens who also happened to be their customers as well. Boycott tech companies that prioritize foreign workers over Americans
美国根本不缺技术人才，否则每个岗位怎会有数百份简历投递？真正缺的是廉价劳动力。这些科技公司把利润看得比公民更重要，而公民恰恰也是他们的客户。大家应该抵制那些优先雇佣外国员工的企业。
Yes, they do. I know it first hand. Sad thing is most of them are just not good, even bad. Don't believe in the "high skilled" BS.
没错，确实如此，我亲眼见过这些人，大部分水平实在不怎么样，甚至挺糟糕的。千万别信那些吹嘘他们“高技能人才”的鬼话。
One thing that I can never understand is if they’re so special and so smart why don’t they do it in their own country? Why is it that they have to come here to be smart and innovative?
有件事我始终搞不懂：既然他们这么特别、这么聪明，为什么不在自己国家搞创新？为什么非得来这儿才能施展才华？