英国提议西方向乌克兰派遣1万名维和部队
UK proposes Western peacekeeping mission of 10,000 troops in Ukraine
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“欧洲有5亿人口。我们应该有能力建立一支3万人的军队……”
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UK proposes Western peacekeeping mission of 10,000 troops in Ukraine
英国提议西方向乌克兰派遣1万名维和部队
英国提议西方向乌克兰派遣1万名维和部队
(Keir Starmer, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, speaks during a joint press conference with President Volodymyr Zelensky on Jan. 16, 2025 in Kyiv.)
（2025年1月16日，在基辅，英国首相基尔·斯塔默与总统弗拉基米尔·泽连斯基在联合新闻发布会上发表讲话。）
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U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer presented plans to send 10,000 peacekeeping troops to Ukraine at a high-level virtual summit in London on March 15.
英国首相斯塔默15日在英国伦敦举行的高级别首脑会谈上，提出了向乌克兰派遣1万名维和部队的方案。
英国首相斯塔默15日在英国伦敦举行的高级别首脑会谈上，提出了向乌克兰派遣1万名维和部队的方案。
The summit, which included 29 international leaders, was organized by the U.K. with the purpose of creating a "coalition of the willing" that could secure Ukraine in the event of a peace deal with Russia.
这次峰会有29位国际领导人参加，由英国组织，目的是建立一个“自愿联盟”，在与俄罗斯达成和平协议的情况下，确保乌克兰的安全。
这次峰会有29位国际领导人参加，由英国组织，目的是建立一个“自愿联盟”，在与俄罗斯达成和平协议的情况下，确保乌克兰的安全。
Starmer's proposed peacekeeping contingent would include around 10,000 troops, mostly provided by the U.K. and France, U.K. military sources told the Sunday Times. Thirty-five countries have agreed to supply the peacekeeping mission with weapons, logistics, and intelligence support.
英国军方消息人士告诉《星期日泰晤士报》，斯塔默提议的维和部队将包括约1万人，主要由英国和法国提供。已有35个国家同意向维和行动提供武器、后勤和情报支持。
英国军方消息人士告诉《星期日泰晤士报》，斯塔默提议的维和部队将包括约1万人，主要由英国和法国提供。已有35个国家同意向维和行动提供武器、后勤和情报支持。
The peacekeeping mission will be "a significant force with a significant number of countries providing troops and a much larger group contributing in other ways," a senior government source said.
一位高级政府消息人士表示，维和行动将是“一支重要的部队，由大量国家提供步兵，并以其他方式作出更大的贡献”。
一位高级政府消息人士表示，维和行动将是“一支重要的部队，由大量国家提供步兵，并以其他方式作出更大的贡献”。
In addition to European nations, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand joined the call, as did NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte.
除欧洲国家外，澳大利亚、加拿大和新西兰以及北约秘书长马克·吕特也加入了这一呼吁。
除欧洲国家外，澳大利亚、加拿大和新西兰以及北约秘书长马克·吕特也加入了这一呼吁。
The proposed force of 10,000 is significantly smaller than the 30,000 troops Starmer reportedly pitched to U.S. President Donald Trump during their White House meeting on Feb. 20.
据报道，斯塔默在2月20日与美国总统唐纳德·特朗普在白宫会晤时提出了3万人的兵力，而拟议中的1万人的兵力远远少于这一数字。
据报道，斯塔默在2月20日与美国总统唐纳德·特朗普在白宫会晤时提出了3万人的兵力，而拟议中的1万人的兵力远远少于这一数字。
Previously, President Volodymyr Zelensky said that European partners would need to station 100,000 to 150,000 troops on Ukraine's front lines to effectively deter Russia.
此前，总统弗拉基米尔·泽连斯基表示，欧洲伙伴需要在乌克兰前线部署10万至15万部队，以有效遏制俄罗斯。
此前，总统弗拉基米尔·泽连斯基表示，欧洲伙伴需要在乌克兰前线部署10万至15万部队，以有效遏制俄罗斯。
U.K. defense sources told the Guardian on Feb. 18 that a much smaller European-led peacekeeping force could instead rely on intelligence, surveillance, and long-range monitoring to enforce a ceasefire.
英国国防部消息人士2月18日对《卫报》表示，由欧洲领导的规模小得多的维和部队可以依靠情报、监视和远程监控来执行停火。
英国国防部消息人士2月18日对《卫报》表示，由欧洲领导的规模小得多的维和部队可以依靠情报、监视和远程监控来执行停火。
Following the virtual summit, Starmer announced that "troops on the ground and planes in the sky" would provide security guarantees for Ukraine following a future peace deal.
在这次虚拟峰会之后，斯塔默宣布，“地面部队和空中飞机”将在未来的和平协议后为乌克兰提供安全保障。
在这次虚拟峰会之后，斯塔默宣布，“地面部队和空中飞机”将在未来的和平协议后为乌克兰提供安全保障。
The allied coalition will hold a second round of military talks on March 20, Starmer said.
斯塔默说，联盟将于3月20日举行第二轮军事会谈。
斯塔默说，联盟将于3月20日举行第二轮军事会谈。
While France and the U.K. have been the most vocal about sending troops to Ukraine, some countries, including Italy and Finland, have expressed reservations. Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni attended the summit and vocalized support for Ukraine, but said that Italy does not plan to participate in the proposed peacekeeping force.
虽然法国和英国在向乌克兰出兵的问题上直言不讳，但包括意大利和芬兰在内的一些国家表达了保留意见。意大利总理梅洛尼出席了峰会，并表示支持乌克兰，但表示意大利不打算参加拟议中的维和部队。
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虽然法国和英国在向乌克兰出兵的问题上直言不讳，但包括意大利和芬兰在内的一些国家表达了保留意见。意大利总理梅洛尼出席了峰会，并表示支持乌克兰，但表示意大利不打算参加拟议中的维和部队。
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The summit followed an eventful week of diplomacy, as Kyiv agreed to a 30-day ceasefire proposed by the U.S. on March 11. While the the Kremlin said it was ready to agree to the U.S.-backed ceasefire, it demanded that Kyiv limit military mobilization and training in addition to the West halting military aid to Ukraine.
这次峰会之前，乌克兰在3月11日同意了美国提出的为期30天的停火协议。虽然克里姆林宫表示准备同意美国支持的停火协议，但它要求基辅限制军事动员和训练，并要求西方停止对乌克兰的军事援助。
这次峰会之前，乌克兰在3月11日同意了美国提出的为期30天的停火协议。虽然克里姆林宫表示准备同意美国支持的停火协议，但它要求基辅限制军事动员和训练，并要求西方停止对乌克兰的军事援助。
U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin are expected to hold a call this week to discuss the terms of the ceasefire, Trump's Special Envoy Steve Witkoff said on March 16.
特朗普特使史蒂夫·维特科夫3月16日表示，美国总统唐纳德·特朗普和俄罗斯总统弗拉基米尔·普京预计将于本周举行电话会议，讨论停火条款。
特朗普特使史蒂夫·维特科夫3月16日表示，美国总统唐纳德·特朗普和俄罗斯总统弗拉基米尔·普京预计将于本周举行电话会议，讨论停火条款。
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People saying that's not remotely enough: 10,000 troops are not supposed to be able stop an invasion. They're supposed to be enough that when they're killed in the initial stage of the invasion, it functions as a tripwire to guarantee full scale war. Since the aggressor knows this, they don't invade unless they're willing to engage in full scale war with the countries that sent the 10,000 troops.
The US only has like 25,000 troops in South Korea. They're not supposed to win a war with 25,000 troops they're supposed to deter aggression because NK knows if they kill a bunch of those troops the US will go all hard ass motherfucker on them.
This isn't a new tactic.
人们说这远远不够：10000名士兵不被指望能够阻止一场入侵。他们被指望当他们在入侵的初始阶段被杀时，足够作为一根保证全面战争的绊线（人肉预警）。因为侵略者知道这一点，所以他们不会入侵，除非他们愿意与派遣这10000军队的那些国家开打全面战争。
美国在韩国只有25000名士兵。他们不指望用25000人的军队打赢一场战争，他们被指望阻止侵略，因为朝鲜知道如果他们杀了一堆士兵，美国就会对他们采取强硬措施。
这并不是一种新策略。
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While this shouldn't impact the forces purpose, its sad to note the UK originally wanted at least 30,000 for their coalition. This unfortunately implies nations have been much less willing to offer real support than Britain hoped.
All the 'just talk' seems to have really frustrated Starmer. He apparently told leaders at one of the summits that he didn't want anyone tweeting they stood with Ukraine afterwards, unless they were actually prepared to offer them tangible support.
虽然这不应该影响部队的目的，但令人遗憾的是，英国最初希望他们的联盟至少有3万人。不幸的是，这意味着各国并不像英国希望的那样愿意提供真正的支持。
所有这些“只是说说”似乎真的让斯塔默感到沮丧。他显然在一次峰会上告诉各国领导人，他不希望任何人在会后发推特表示他们支持乌克兰，除非他们真的准备向乌克兰提供切实的支持。
Europe is 500M people. We should be able to create a army of 30k…
欧洲有5亿人口。我们应该有能力建立一支3万人的军队……
The one major advantage Russia has over Europe is Russians are willing to die for Russia well they have no choice Putin forces them to die, you can't actually do this in a democratic European continent of 500M people who want nothing to do with fighting.
People talk a lot about the GDP of Europe being way bigger than Russia and yet Russia outspends the whole of Europe in military spending, even getting the richest countries in Europe to spend 2% of their GDP on defense almost resulted in Neo Nazi parties being elected.
Let us stop pretending like the average European isn't just as selfish as the average American or Canadian or Mexican etc
EDIT: I meant to say Russia outspends all of the military aid the EU sends to Ukraine.
Russia has more missiles and bombs to hit Ukraine including more soldiers an unlimited supply of soldiers, wake me up when Europe is willing to match at least the missiles and bombs without silly restrictions.
俄罗斯相对于欧洲的一个主要优势是俄罗斯人愿意为俄罗斯而死，他们别无选择，普京强迫他们去死，但在一个民主的欧洲大陆上，你不能这样做，因为欧洲大陆上有5亿人，他们不想打仗。
人们经常谈论欧洲的GDP比俄罗斯大得多，但俄罗斯的军费开支超过了整个欧洲，甚至让欧洲最富有的国家将其GDP的2%用于国防，这几乎导致了新纳粹政党的胜选。
让我们停止假装普通的欧洲人不像普通的美国人、加拿大人或墨西哥人那样自私
PS：我的意思是说俄罗斯的军费超过了欧盟向乌克兰提供的所有军事援助。
俄罗斯有更多的导弹和炸弹来打击乌克兰，包括更多的士兵和无限的士兵供应，当欧洲愿意至少在没有愚蠢限制的情况下匹配导弹和炸弹时，再叫醒我。
Sad indeed. But as a relatively new immigrant to the uk but one that has lived in other European countries am not surprised. And I wonder what citizens make of this inability of European coubtries to muster 30,000 forces to deter Putin.
And I also always have this question, if the uk was attacked militarily, how many of its citizens would volunteer to take up arms to defend it? Would it be at same levels (proportionally) as ww2 or less? Especially if it was completely voluntary.
确实悲哀。但作为一个相对较新的英国移民，一个在其他欧洲国家生活过的人，我并不感到惊讶。我想知道民众如何理解欧洲国家无法召集3万名士兵来威慑普京。
我也一直有这个问题，如果英国受到军事攻击，有多少公民会自愿拿起武器保卫它？是和二战一样（按比例）还是更低？尤其是在完全自愿的情况下。
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It depends on the scale of the attack and its impact.
I imagine you'd get a bump to recruitment if the UK was attacked, but not a high impact, if it was a more serious threat, you'd likely get a higher/more sustained recruitment drive.
Part of why it's been so low is the whole being sent to fight for billionaires, it's a different story if it's about the survival of the country.
这取决于攻击的规模和影响。
我想，如果英国遭到袭击，你的招募会有所增加，但影响不会很大，如果威胁更严重，你可能会得到更高/更持久的招募动力。
它之所以如此之低，部分原因是整个国家都被派去为亿万富翁们而战，如果是关于国家的生存，那就是另一回事了。
Iraq and Afghanistan left a very bitter taste in the mouths of many. The damage to peoples lives, direct or indirectly was and is still massive. It pissed me off so much after spending several years of my youth there working to make the place better only for all the work and peoples lives to be essentially wasted.
It pains me, but I can't blame the change in attitude towards joining up. I'm still on the hook as a reservist, so I've very much got a vested interest in this being done right and not just fritted away as a token gesture.
伊拉克和阿富汗战争给许多人留下了非常苦涩的印象。直接或间接对人民生命造成的损害过去是，现在仍然是巨大的。我在那里度过了几年的青春时光，努力让这个地方变得更好，结果所有的工作和人们的生命基本上都被浪费了（塔利班卷土重来了），这让我非常生气。
这让我很痛苦，但我不能指责人们对参军态度的改变。我仍然是预备役军人，所以我非常希望这件事做得好，而不是作为一种象征性的姿态而被抛弃。
The elites have destroyed UKs will to live.
Why would a native British boy want to fight and die for a country that hates him? He gets sent to the front lines while millions of able bodied foreigners are back home on the dole raping native British girls?
It’s preposterous to think a young man would look around these unrecognizable countries and think ‘I’ll fight for this’.
精英们摧毁了英国人的生存意志。
为什么一个土生土长的英国男孩要为一个恨他的国家而战而死？他被派到前线，而数百万身强力壮的外国人却靠救济回家强奸英国本土女孩？
认为一个年轻人环顾这些面目全非的国家，然后觉得“我要为这个而战”是荒谬的。
Russia is a paper tiger. Ukraine was able to take the Kursk region with 10,000 troops.
The UK bolstering the existing Ukrainian forces with 10,000 additional soldiers will have a more pronounced effect than you think.
Russian troops have shit leadership and constantly get sent on suicide missions. Admittedly, offensive pushes to retake territory favours Russia, but they’re still quite inept.
If Putin mobilizes more forces through conscxtion, we’ve seen their work in the Kursk region. Zero training and poorly armed.
俄罗斯是一只纸老虎。乌克兰用1万名士兵就占领了库尔斯克地区。
英国向现有的乌克兰军队增派1万名士兵，其效果将比你想象的更为显著。
俄罗斯军队的指挥很烂，经常被派去执行自杀任务。诚然，重新夺回领土的攻势有利于俄罗斯，但他们仍然相当无能。
如果普京通过征兵动员更多的军队，我们已经看到他们在库尔斯克地区的表现。没有受过训练，装备也很差。
People are missing the point.
This isn’t 10,000 troops to defend Ukraine. These are 10,000 flags affirming Ukraine’s territory. If Russia fucks with the flags, then they fuck with the coalition of nations who supplied those flags.
Russia will not be able to take further land without coming into direct conflict with British or French troops (amongst others). Such actions have consequences.
人们没有抓住要点。
这不是10000军队去保卫乌克兰。这是用10000面旗帜肯定了乌克兰的领土。如果俄罗斯敢cao这些国旗，那么他们就是在cao提供这些旗帜的国家联盟。
如果不与英国或法国军队（以及其他国家）发生直接冲突，俄罗斯将无法占领更多的土地。这种行为是有后果的。
What's the difference? What kind of consequences?
有什么区别？什么样的后果？
“10K to defend Ukraine” = If you kill one, you only have 9,999 left to kill before you take the territory.
“10K peacekeepers” = If you kill one, you’ve killed British or French troops. Which means their colleagues back home are coming over to rock your world.
“Consequences” = Who knows. But consider that Russia has struggled massively to take a fraction of Ukraine. Compare Ukraine to Britain or France, countries with navies, air forces, and all the top shelf toys we haven’t been sharing with Ukraine because it would embarrass Russia. Russia doesn’t want to fight Britain or France, or their allies.
“10000士兵保卫乌克兰”=如果你杀了1个，那么在你夺取领土之前，你只剩下9999个需要杀死。
“10000名维和人员”=如果你杀了1个，你就杀了英国或法国士兵。这意味着他们在国内的同事会过来震撼你的世界。
“后果”=谁知道呢。但考虑到俄罗斯一直在挣扎着夺取乌克兰的一小部分。将乌克兰与英国或法国相比——这些国家拥有海军、空军和所有我们没有与乌克兰分享的顶级玩具（因为这会让俄罗斯难堪）。俄罗斯不想与英国、法国或它们的盟友作战。
Yes but with unknown USA support, Russia might attack these troops just to show the alliance who is boss and dare them to fight back/escalate further which they will probably back down even if a few of them have a small amount of nukes they wont want to die for this. So this whole thing is kind of useless.
If they struggle to find 10,000, how are they gonna surge the reinforcements needed to have the threat of force backing not attacking these troops in the first place.
They simply dont have the numbers of men, equipment or military industrial output to fully fight Russia so there is no teeth to the threat of these troops.
是的，但是在未确认的美国支持下，俄罗斯可能会攻击这些军队，只是为了向联盟展示谁是老大，以及他们敢不敢反击/进一步升级，他们可能会退缩，即使他们中的一些人有少量的核武器，他们也不想为此而死。所以这整个公式是没用的。
如果他们连凑10000人都难了，他们要如何快速增加所需的增援兵力以达成保证从一开始不攻击这些军队的武力威胁后盾呢。
他们根本没有足够的人员、装备或军事工业产出来全面对抗俄罗斯，所以这些军队的威胁是没有牙齿的。
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Lets face it... It was sooner or later going to happen anyway. Its a shame, that it didnt happen much sooner and namely during the successfull counteroffensive when UK was on an uptrend and Russia weakened. Now its very, very late, because Russia has massively improved and learned a lot during the last 3 years.
让我们面对现实吧……反正这事迟早会发生的。遗憾的是，它没有发生得更快，也就是说，在英国处于上升趋势而俄罗斯被削弱的成功反攻期间。现在已经非常非常晚了，因为俄罗斯在过去3年里已经有了很大的进步，也学到了很多东西。
It's great to see nations rallying together for peace in Ukraine, but we also need to think critically about the practicalities. A peacekeeping force of 10,000 troops could provide valuable security, but this is a small drop in the ocean compared to the scale of what Ukraine needs. The real challenge will be balancing international commitment with the on-the-ground realities of securing peace in a region that's been ravaged by war. Let's hope this sparks the momentum needed for larger, more meaningful support. The road to lasting peace will take more than a military presence it’ll take unity, diplomacy, and genuine resolve from all sides.
很高兴看到各国为了乌克兰的和平团结在一起，但我们也需要批判性地思考现实问题。一支由1万名士兵组成的维和部队可以提供宝贵的安全保障，但与乌克兰需要的规模相比，这只是九牛一毛。真正的挑战将是平衡国际承诺与在一个饱受战争蹂躏的地区确保和平的实地现实。让我们希望这能激发更大、更有意义的支持所需的势头。通往持久和平的道路需要的不仅仅是军事存在，还需要各方的团结、外交和真正的决心。
10000 is a joke. Thats 8 man per kolometer. You need command, logistics, support and rotation troops. Thats comes down to 1 or 2 platoons for 1200 km of front.
10000人就是个笑话。每公里部署8个人。你需要指挥、后勤、支援和轮换部队。于是在1200公里的前线上减少到1到2个排的兵力。
They really ought to consider 10k per UK plus each EU country.
Please someone really DO something.
他们真的应该考虑英国和每个欧盟国家都各出1万人。
拜托有谁真正做点什么吧。
we need about 500.000 but its a start.
我们需要大约50万，但这10000人只是个开始。
REMEMBER - Article 5 of The NATO agreement with the USA and all to defend said country as one after September 11th. 2001.
You, USA was the first Country to call it on Septembers terrorist attack 9/11. Well, we all did what was expected and fought along side you, and lost our people also with you. … where are you now.
记住——北约与美国的协议第5条款，以及2001年9月11日后所有人都团结一致保护这个国家（“今晚我们都是美国人”）。
你，美国，是第一个把9月恐怖袭击称为9/11的国家。好吧，我们都尽了所能和你并肩作战，也失去了我们的人。你现在在哪里？
This is why Russia, China & the USA think Europe is a total joke.
Only UK & France willing to do any real lifting, the rest of europe are useless.
Europe is going to be left behind by USA & China, with Russia having delusions its a still a superpower but at least its united vs the rest of europe which is not.
这就是为什么俄罗斯、中国和美国认为欧洲完全是个笑话。
只有英国和法国愿意做任何真正的提升，欧洲其他国家都没用。
欧洲将被美国和中国甩在后面，俄罗斯妄想自己仍然是超级大国，但至少它团结一致，而欧洲其他国家不是。