AI 可以让我们与鲸鱼交谈吗？
Could AI Let Us Talk to Whales?
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新技术正在彻底改变我们研究和保护自然的方式。在本期视频中，我们将了解人工智能如何被用于解码海洋的声景——具体来说，就是破译鲸歌的奥秘。没错，或许在不远的未来，AI就能让我们实现与鲸类生物的跨物种交流。但部分科学家提出质疑：关键问题或许不在于"能否"与鲸鱼对话，而在于"是否应该"与它们对话？
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本视频揭秘人工智能如何助力破解鲸鱼语言之谜。影片从传奇唱片《座头鲸之歌》讲起，这张1970年发行的专辑用鲸歌唤醒全球环保意识，直接推动国际捕鲸禁令。现代科学家通过声谱图分析发现，鲸类不仅拥有复杂方言体系，还能创作跨洋传播的歌曲文化。借助谷歌"注意力机制"等AI技术，研究人员正处理数百万小时鲸歌数据，试图解码其交流规律。视频展现无人机追踪蓝鲸、水下机器人记录鲸群等前沿技术，同时揭示根本挑战：鲸鱼在海洋进化1.5亿年形成的声学感知系统，与人类视觉主导的认知存在维度差异。科学家强调，相较于急于对话，人类更需学会倾听——突破人类中心主义思维，理解鲸类独特的声学世界观。影片在展示AI分析鲸尾纹识别个体、预测行为模式等技术突破时，始终引导观众思考科技伦理：当跨物种交流成为可能，我们是否应该主动打破自然界的沉默？结尾震撼呈现为蓝鲸安装追踪设备的实拍画面，见证科技与自然保护的交汇时刻。
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We were born too late to explore the earth and too early to explore the space, but we might be born just in time to see machine learning turn into AI.
我们出生太晚无缘探索地球，太早无法遨游太空，但或许正逢其时见证机器学习蜕变为真正的人工智能。
This is really misrepresenting what AI is and can do
这严重曲解了AI的本质和能力边界
People make it seem like there's an ethical reason to not talk to whales? Come on. Communication is everything. There's absolutely no problem with doing this and we should strive to do so. Also, I don't understand why "AI isn't there yet" to go through millions of data points for us. I thought the issue was that we don't have the data? Computers analyze all sorts of data for us. "AI" is nothing new; it's just more advanced software than before. True AI is when the computer can go out and do the discoveries for us. Right now, it's only able to take in our own information but we'll get there!
居然有人认为不和鲸鱼交流存在道德问题？别闹了。沟通就是一切，这事没有任何问题且值得努力推进。另外，我不理解为什么说"AI目前还做不到"处理海量数据，问题难道不是数据不足吗？计算机一直在帮我们分析各类数据，所谓AI不过是更高级的软件而已。真正的AI应该能自主探索发现，现在它只能处理既有信息，但我们会实现的！
that question on why we should communicate with them and how it would be helpful to communicate with other species is answered by the reasoning behind learning other languages,, we share the planet with them, we influence their homes both directly and indirectly, if theyre capable of conceptualizing and understanding the world the same way we do then the next step should be to establish some sort of diplomatic relationship with them and take their insights into account when making decisions that could potentially harm their way of living.
关于为何要与动物交流的问题，答案和学习外语的逻辑是一致的——我们共享地球并直接影响它们的栖息地。如果它们具备与我们相当的认知能力，就该建立外交关系，在可能影响其生存的决策中考虑它们的意见。
I know its real, but the background is sooooo beautiful, it kinda looks FAKE! LOL, I blame GPT
虽然知道是真的，但这背景美得太夸张，简直像假的！笑死，都怪GPT
Are whales curious? If they want to hang out and are free to go we can try to talk.
鲸鱼有好奇心吗？如果它们自愿停留，我们就能尝试交流。
It would be funny if there's a highly intelligent species out there able to decipher our languages easily, and when they find our voyager recordings, they'll be surprised why the more primitive language sent rather sophisticated contents while the whale recordings with extremely high information density were nothing but small talk or intrafamilial beef because someone didn't want to share fish.
如果有高智慧生物能轻松破译人类语言，发现旅行者金唱片里原始语言承载着复杂信息，而高信息密度的鲸歌录音只是家长里短——比如某条鲸鱼不愿分享食物引发的家庭矛盾——这画面就太搞笑了。
Awww! I grew up listening to that beautiful LP...wondering which of the crackles were recorded background sounds or from the album/needle...fond memories. Thank you for this video
哇！我小时候常听那张黑胶唱片，总在分辨沙沙声是录制背景音还是唱针杂音...感谢这个视频唤起了美好回忆。
What part of a whale's brain is bigger than a human's "relative to our body mass" ??? A sperm whale weighs as much as 450 people, you're telling me their cerebral cortex is more than 450x larger than ours? No. I don't think you meant to say "relative to our body mass."
等等，鲸鱼大脑哪部分"相对于体重"比人类大？抹香鲸体重相当于450个人类，你说它们的大脑皮层比我们大450倍？肯定不是这个意思。
Man heard whales were endangered and came to finish the job.
听说鲸鱼濒危就赶来补刀是吧？
Hell with the whales, make one for dogs and cats so we can put collars on them like in UP
管他什么鲸鱼，先给猫狗做个翻译项圈吧，就像《飞屋环游记》里那样。
you don't speak whale? damn you should watch Finding Nemo again and Listen to Dory speak Whale, that's how I learned how to speak whale.
不会说鲸语？赶紧重看《海底总动员》学多莉怎么说鲸语，我就是这么学的。
I dont think simply talking to it would be that bad??? Because it would be cool to communicate with a non-human species?
我觉得单纯对话没什么不好啊？ 因为能和异种生物交流超酷啊？
i was startled from the background boo. just verified my headset sounds too realistic :D must have trigger warning haha jk.
被背景音里的嘘声吓到了，这耳机效果太真实了吧！该加个触发警告的，开玩笑啦。
knowing the depravity of humans, i dont like the idea of anyone being able to say whatever they want to such an important species. for instance, what if we make a certain call that initiates an aggression response in the whale? now any time that pod sees a human or boat it could act aggressively. we've already seen that in orcas without even talking to them. we dont need to streamline that process.
鉴于人类的劣根性，让任何人能对重要物种随意发声很危险。万一某个声波引发鲸群攻击性，以后它们见到船只就发狂怎么办？虎鲸没交流都会攻击，我们别加速这个过程。
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
"你们科学家总纠结能不能做到，却从不想该不该做。"
At last it is not just 'one way' enforced on all living beings, with an underlaying message "submit to it, and obey or go extinct for all I/we care"
终于不再是单方面强加"要么服从要么灭绝"的霸权逻辑了。
This is pointless, imo. You don't need AI, you need a Rosetta stone. How would even an ASI translate a random sound to English? We would need a common language
要我说这纯属瞎搞。不需要AI，需要的是罗塞塔石碑。超级AI怎么把随机声音译成英文？得先建立共同语言
This has been tried over and over, and NO, it is not possible. Humans are the only animals with actual language. Whales just vocalize, just like birds.
反复尝试都证明不可能。只有人类拥有真正语言，鲸鱼只是发声，和鸟类一样。
what if they're social creatures and they crave to be spoken to? Might any social creature enjoy banter at least, and tend to resent someone who just observes and doesn't communicate?
如果鲸鱼是渴望交流的社会性生物呢？所有社会生物都爱互动，被观察却不被搭理会生气吧？
I'm pretty sure that AI is already capable of this. It's more that we don't have enough data to feed it yet. So with that said, why aren't we trying this with other species that are easier to gather data from?
我确信AI已经具备这个能力，问题在于数据不足。既然如此，为什么不先从更容易获取数据的物种开始？
this hits different after learning that Japan decided to resume their whale hunting practices because of so called "cultural" purposes after decades of having banned it.
知道日本以"文化"名义重启禁了几十年的捕鲸后，再看这视频感觉完全变了味。
The benefit to talking to whales would be to inevitably save their species forever because I believe if humans can talk to whales itll be illegal to hunt or kill them from that point on.
能和鲸鱼对话的最大好处就是永久拯救这个物种，一旦实现交流捕杀行为必将被法律禁止。
I want to talk to my dog so he will stop pooping in the house.
我想和狗子对话让它别再在家拉屎。
I would like to ask them about what theyve seen since they were young and if their parents passed down stories from before they existed
我想问它们从小目睹过什么，父母是否讲述过它们出生前的故事。
..are whales sentient, cause if they aren't, theres no reason to talk to them any more than a dog, which would go something like:
..hungry..
..angry..
..tired..
鲸鱼有感知能力吗？如果没有那和与狗对话没区别，无非就是：饿...生气...困...
We could start with an apology for being so cruel and destructive.
第一句话应该是为人类的残忍与破坏道歉。
There's a fantastic YA book called "Whale Talk" about a teenager who brings together a group of outcasts to compete on their high school swim team. The book uses whale songs as a metaphor for how we can't understand each other and we just make assumptions
推荐本超棒的青少年小说《鲸语》，讲问题少年组建游泳队的故事，用鲸歌隐喻人与人之间的误解与臆断。
Another factor worth considering is the fact that whales from different regions might have multiple languages, if Im not mistaken marine biologists have already found that orca have multiple languages, so we might have to decipher the language of whales from each region.
别忘了地域差异——不同海域鲸鱼可能有不同方言。据我所知，虎鲸就有多种语言，可能需要分区破译。
I think the wisdom shared through collaborations between humans and whales could possibly lead to some truly amazing things
人类与鲸鱼的智慧碰撞，或许能催生惊人创举。
If i could communicate w whales, the first and only thing i would say is I am sorry. I am profoundly sorry for what we humans have done to you and your habitat, to all animals and all habitats. I am profoundly sorry.
如果能交流我只会说：对不起。为我们对人类、对你们栖息地、对所有生灵所做的一切，致以最深切的歉意。
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I don't think people really want to hear what whales might have to say to us.
我觉得人类根本不想听鲸鱼会对我们说什么。
Animals talk to us all the time. If anyone is stopping this conversation, it's us.
动物一直在与我们交流，阻碍对话的从来都是人类自己。
Speaking to another species on our own planet. A type of whale or dolphin should be absolutely prime focus of our species (among a few other things). I am convinced these animals (Spermwhale, Orca, Dolphins) are more intelligent than we are. I expect them to have whole oral traditions that chronicle the oceanic history of our world. We can learn things about our planet we have never expected to learn. And probably we discover the dark impact we have had ourselves. It will be a mirror of our own impact on this world, and a better understanding of what it truly means to be alive.
与地球同胞物种对话——鲸豚类应是首要目标。我坚信抹香鲸、虎鲸、海豚比人类更聪明，它们可能传承着海洋史的口述传统。这不仅能揭示未知的地球奥秘，更将照见人类自身的破坏性，让我们重新理解生命的真谛。
Scientist: what pisses you off
Whale: humans came very close to eradicating my species and all its relatives
Maybe communication with whales isn't something we need...
科学家：什么让你不爽？
鲸鱼：人类差点灭了我全族。
或许我们不需要这种交流...
I suspect whale languages primarily convey what they need to know every day, including:
finding food, avoiding danger, navigating, attracting a mate, locating and identifying members of the group, teaching the young, and expressing emotions.
我猜鲸语主要传递日常需求：觅食、避险、导航、求偶、识别同伴、教导幼崽、情感表达。
The Human is so smart that it almost eradicated the most intelligent animal on earth.
人类聪明到差点灭绝了地球上最聪明的动物。
I think these scientists might be afraid of talking to whales... afraid of what they might say... what if it was profound eloquent wise and personal...
What if they simply said: "Why the hell did you slaughter us, and what makes you think we will ever trust your... ever..."
科学家们或许害怕与鲸鱼对话——怕听到振聋发聩的质问："为何屠杀我们？凭什么要相信你们？"
So there trying to make whale google translate with ai.
说白了就是用AI做鲸语版谷歌翻译。
Sure you can talk to whales, but that doesn't obligate them to enter into a conversation.
就算能说鲸语，它们也没义务搭理你。
I hate to tell you But baby talk is a language! Other babies will respond to it and talk back even If one is unhappy then another will start to cry as well Hope this will open your eyes to possibilities
虽然听起来奇怪，但婴儿语确实是语言！其他婴儿会回应甚至对话，如果一个哭了另一个也会跟着哭。希望这个例子能打开你们的思路。
You want to tell me what a whale and i have to talk about?
你倒是说说，我和鲸鱼能有什么共同话题？
I Still have that National Geographic record from wwhen I was a kid!
小时候买的那张《国家地理》鲸鱼唱片，我到现在还留着呢！
Whales exist since 150 million years? This cannot be true. As I know since 50 million years.
鲸鱼存在1.5亿年？这不可能。据我所知只有5000万年历史。
before we learn to comunicate with whales, we'll have a translater collar for cats and dogs simply because there is a way bigger market for it.
在破解鲸语之前，宠物翻译项圈肯定会先上市——毕竟市场需求大得多。
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When animals can talk to each other, it will be a colossal disaster in food. What will happen when you kill a chicken and it said dont kill me?
等动物能互相告密那天，食品业就完蛋了。杀鸡时它突然喊"别杀我"，这画面太惊悚。
ugh, I hate this new age way of thinking: "We're making it about ourselves, not them", "This is a human construct", "It's arrogant to think ... it'll be analogous". Like come on! You don't need to belittle humankind to justify studying animals. We're not the only curious species out there! I always think that these statements are somewhat ironic, that in our quest to to not portray and think ourselves superior and different from other animals, by saying these things, we're just reinforcing the notion that humans do not belong in Nature!
这种新时代的思维方式真让我受不了："我们总以人类为中心"、"这是人类构建的概念"、"认为能类比是傲慢的"。得了吧！研究动物不需要靠贬低人类来找借口。我们又不是唯一有好奇心的物种！这些话反而讽刺地强化了"人类不属于自然"的观念——明明是想证明人类并不特殊。
Why should we talk to wales? We need to protect them not to disturb them. Humans are cruel. AI is not cool at all. We shall work on human skills and learn to communicate with love & respect
为什么要和鲸鱼对话？我们应该保护而非打扰它们。人类太残忍，AI也不靠谱。不如先提升自身，用爱与尊重沟通。
It's better for whales to avoid communication with human
对鲸鱼来说，不和人类交流可能更安全。
If they do speak language, then at what point would something be considered a person?
如果它们真有语言，那鲸鱼该在什么时候被赋予"人格"？
Climate change is hurting the economy? Who freakin knew? There have also been massive hail storms and wildfires. Who knew that would be expensive?
气候变化损害经济？现在才知道？冰雹野火频发，救灾当然烧钱啊。
I think it might help a lot if one could put microphones onto a pair of a whale mother and calf and see how the "language" of the calf evolves over time.
给鲸鱼母子装上麦克风，记录幼鲸"语言"的演变过程，应该很有研究价值。
When I see an animal seeming to ask for help I can't help but feel like animals tell eachother about us. When we rescue and nurse them back to health or raise them to be released back into the wild or just untangle them from a net or plastic cup that they might share those stories? Maybe it's just a case of those individuals having experience knowing we're safe. But thinking about if they know of us and talk about us if we could find the word they use for us and introduce ourselves. I would probably want to introduce myself explaining we're not whales we're (their word for human) and would absolutely not want to tell them it's our fault there's so much trash. If we could learn to communicate though imagine if we could share ideas and get different perspectives. Would we do more to fight climate change if a whale told us to? Do they have stories? Will they understand if I tell them they're pretty? But the whole "should we" part just felt like that's why aliens don't talk to us. The whales wouldn't have a choice either way but we also deny them a chance to choose to talk to us since they don't have the technology. Even if we might want aliens to talk to us would a whale? But also just because we're different doesn't mean we can't be the same in some ways. We also don't know what the whale would get out of interacting with us that way until we ask them. The downside I can see though is people baiting the whales for some reason or being rude to them if it was public technology. Negotiations with different whale species that don't like eachother.... I wouldn't trust AI to translate either what if that got hacked or was just not good?
每次看到动物求助的眼神，总觉得它们在互相传递人类的信息。当我们救治、放生或帮它们摆脱渔网塑料杯时，这些故事可能在动物间流传？或许只是个体经验让它们觉得人类安全。但若它们真在讨论我们，找到它们对我们的称呼并自我介绍就很重要。比如解释"我们不是鲸鱼，是（它们的称呼）"，但绝不会承认海洋垃圾是我们的错。若能交流，或许能获得全新视角——鲸鱼督促环保会更有效吗？它们有历史传说吗？夸它们漂亮能听懂吗？关于"该不该"的讨论让我想到外星人不接触人类的原因。鲸鱼没技术主动交流，但人类剥夺了它们的选择权。虽然差异存在，但总有共通点。不过风险也大：有人会利用技术骚扰鲸鱼，不同鲸种间的矛盾可能被激化，更别提AI翻译被黑或出错的情况了。
Whales ...? AI ...? why not try dogs or cats first? Vocal may not be our main way to communicate, as land mammals demonstrate. Need visual as well as audio to study us and 'pets'. Don't you want a talking dog? Very enjoyable presentation, Thanks! Once our cat taught me not to stop playing the piano... it's a long story, but he showed me he liked it played.
鲸鱼？AI？为啥不从猫狗开始？陆生哺乳动物证明，声音不是主要交流方式。研究人类与宠物需要视觉+听觉数据。谁不想要会说话的狗呢？演讲很有趣，谢谢！我家猫曾用行动表示爱听钢琴声——说来话长，但它确实在我弹琴的时候表现出喜欢了。
If that was possible I know the first the whales would say stop polluting our oceans with your oil and Plastics
要是真能对话，鲸鱼第一句话肯定是"停止用石油和塑料污染海洋"。
I just think if we could communicate with whales and dolphins it could really help to keep them safe from trawling
要是能和鲸豚对话，或许能帮它们避开拖网渔船。
I think its fair to say that we could make some progress on this. Though just how much is harder to say. The new equipment is vital to gathering the data. Think of this as practice for talking to an alien species !
应该说这个领域会有进展，但程度难料。新设备对数据收集至关重要，就当是与外星文明对话的预演吧！
I didn't very much enjoy the slightly pessimistic ending with some of guests. If we can figure out how to talk with whales, then we absolutely should talk with whales. Now it maybe should be handled like a first contact with an alien species, but it should be done. It's profoundly important that we learn how to communicate with other species if possible.
不太喜欢结尾的悲观论调。既然能实现鲸语交流，就必须去做。可以参照外星文明接触协议，但这事关重大，跨物种沟通能力至关重要。
i would really wonder what would happen if you play whales some human musik: maybe some bach, beethoven, pink floyd or geoffrey oryema, what would they think ? Could we inspire each other ?
好奇鲸鱼听人类音乐会有什么反应？巴赫、贝多芬、平克·弗洛伊德或杰弗里·奥耶马——它们会喜欢吗？能激发创作灵感吗？
Sperm whale holds record for loudest noise an animal make with their clicks. Blue whale has the loudest continuous vocalizations.
抹香鲸的咔嗒声是动物界最响的单次发声，蓝鲸则拥有最持久的连续发声记录。
Teach whales/dolphins flipper/sound+sign language. Like Coco. That's the only way we can be sure that what we're interpreting is actually the real thing and not some made-up garbage without feedback.
应该像教可可（大猩猩）那样，用鳍肢动作+声音+手势训练鲸豚。只有获得反馈，才能确认解读正确而非臆想。
the whole umwelt thing is what I always get hung up on when people try to "teach" animals to "talk" to us. from teaching gorillas sign language to teaching your parrot or dog or rat or fish to press buttons that mean "food" or "pain" or whatever. even if the animal is clearly very skilled at pressing those buttons to get what it wants or what it thinks we want that's still not a direct image of their internality. but then again it's hard to "prove" anyone has internality, it's part of what makes race science and eugenics appealing to some folk, it's genuinely hard to imagine what it is like to be anyone other than yourself and not everyone's willing or able to put that work in.
"感知环境"理论总能戳破人类教动物"说话"的幻想。从大猩猩手语到宠物按钮，就算动物熟练使用"食物/疼痛"等指令，也不代表它们有内在思维。但证明思维存在本就困难，这也给种族优生学可乘之机——毕竟共情他者需要付出巨大努力，并非人人愿意或能够做到。
Talking to Wells might give us answers to the past think about it if whales are actually intelligent, which we believe they are they would have stories that are told to each other about the past about history about things that were in the ocean and or currently still in the ocean Theres some knowledge here that we should definitely factor in
与鲸对话或许能揭开历史谜团。如果它们真如我们所想的聪明，必然流传着海洋古今的故事，这些知识值得人类重视。
chatGPT now "watch" videos. feed it with thousands of videos with sound so AI can see behaviour associated with sound. Probably will decode some meaning out of it
现在ChatGPT能"看"视频了。给它投喂成千上万带声视频，让AI关联行为与声音，或许真能破译部分含义。
I'm half way through.. I'm dying to know.. have we used AI to speak in whale TO another whale and receive a response?
看到一半急死了：到底有没有用AI模拟鲸语并获得回应啊？
First, we need to teach AI how to pronounce words. It's a bit frustrating trying to understand what is being said.
首先得教AI正确发音，现在经常听不清它在说什么，太抓狂了。
The fact we're contemplating translating whale language, or even know they have a real language at all, should be more than enough to understand these are EXTREMELY intelligent creatures & should stop being hunted. I know most countries have outlawed whaling, but it still happens far too much. We need to have more empathy... we know whales do. Orcas having their young kidnapped & taken to live in amusement parks is a depressing watch. The mothers continue to cry out, and they stay around in the same area waiting for their kid hours after it was already taken. When creatures are this intelligent, empathetic & have their own language, that should tell you they shouldn't be treated like livestock or used for entertainment.
既然开始翻译鲸语甚至确认其语言存在，就该明白它们是高智商生物，必须停止捕杀。尽管多数国家已禁捕但偷猎仍然猖獗。虎鲸幼崽被掳至海洋馆的场景令人心碎——母亲持续哀鸣，在被掳数小时后仍徘徊原地。当生物具备智慧、共情和语言，就不该被当作牲畜或玩物。
Thanks for asking the question "should we?". That question should be more widespread in scientific and technological progress. What are the potential benefits but also risks of how we present and use a specific technology.
感谢提出"该不该做"这个问题。科技发展更需要这种思考——每项技术的应用都需权衡利弊风险。
I really don't understand the resistance to the idea if communicating here? It honestly seems like such a weirdly incurious thing fron people who are supposed to be experts. I understand being cautious about new technology, but i fail ti see hiw this would hurt whales in any way. Like the whale songs, it may very well helo them.
不理解专家们为何抵触交流想法？本该充满好奇的群体却异常保守。虽然新技术需谨慎，但看不出这对鲸鱼有害。就像鲸歌研究最终可能帮到它们。
In my opinion. Unless of course if there are weird complications or if it's unnecessary but it would be well researched before coming to such conclusion.
我认为除非特殊情况，人类不应过度干预野生动物——当然，结论需建立在充分研究基础上。
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I'm not skeptical of ai I'm intimidated and worried for the future sadly
不是怀疑AI，而是对它的未来感到恐惧与担忧。
"Whales invented dubstep before humans." Perfect click bait title.
"鲸鱼比人类更早发明电子乐"——绝佳的标题党文案。
It would be pretty dangerous to try it in person. The sheer acoustic power they can generate would be ample enough to explode any human ear-drum even at range.
真人尝试太危险，鲸鱼发声的声压足以在远处震破人类耳膜。
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I am absolutely stunned right now! So often, we dont ask ourselves the one question that ought to be the most obvious and, maybe, the most important one; Should we do this? Thank you so much for posing it here, in this instance! Whales are highly intelligent animals, but would expressing ourselves to them produce a positive outcome for them? A wise man listens first. A foolish man speaks first.
此刻深感震撼！我们常忽略最明显也最重要的问题："该不该做？"感谢你们在此提出。鲸鱼是高智商动物，但人类单方面表达真对它们有利吗？智者先倾听，愚者先开口。
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Baby talk is language. They know what theyre saying, but we dont. My friends mother is a triplet. The triplets jabbered to each other from the cradle, and now in their 70s every time they get together, they still talk in that same jabber. They absolutely understand what the other is saying, but nobody else does! So I am convinced babies are communicating in a type of language. Its just not one we can understand. Not a scientific opinion, just a mothers. LOl
婴儿语就是语言，他们知道自己说什么，只是我们不懂。我朋友的母亲是三胞胎之一，她们从婴儿时期就互相咿呀对话，现在70多岁了每次聚会还用那种"暗语"交流。她们完全理解彼此，但外人根本听不懂！所以我坚信婴儿在用某种语言交流，只是我们无法理解。这不是科学观点，只是当妈的经验之谈。
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This is old news. Using AI to understand whales started years ago.
这都是旧闻了，用AI理解鲸语的研究几年前就开始了
they use sounds like we use "4D" ultrasound to see the movements of things and reflect them as they capture them
它们使用声波的方式，就像我们用"4D"超声波观察物体动态并实时反馈成像
Spooky fact: Some humans with thalassophobia will be reincarnated as whales and be stuck for 400 years in the ocean
细思极恐：某些患深海恐惧症的人会转世成鲸鱼，在海洋里被困400年
I gotta be honest if we find a way to communicate within ten or 30 years we will be talking to the children of the ones we were slaughtering or the grandchildren, I highly doubt they can forget that. With the age they live to and the very tight social bonds they form I would imagine that the younger ones would have been warned by now, its kind of sad that the next most intelligent species has had an over 200 year long holocaust perpetrated against them by us.
说实话，就算未来30年内实现交流，我们面对的也将是被屠杀鲸群的后代。考虑到鲸类的长寿和紧密社会关系，年轻鲸鱼肯定已被警告远离人类。可悲的是，作为地球第二聪明的物种，它们遭受了人类长达200年的种族屠杀。
Im surprised that scientists dont know what questions theyd ask a whale. Without question id ask what living in the ocean is like. How is that even up for debate? Like homie drop your life experiences on us
惊讶科学家竟不知道要问鲸鱼什么问题。要是我绝对先问海洋生活是什么体验，这有什么可讨论的？老兄快讲讲你的"鱼生经历"啊
I think if we could communicate with animals, and we knew how exactly they felt, we could be better caregivers of this planet. It would help more human emphasize with nature.
若能实现与动物沟通并准确感知它们的感受，人类会成为更好的地球管家。这将极大增强人们对自然的共情能力。
I had that floppy record from National Geographic when I was seven, around 1975. I listened to it a lot!!! If I could communicate with whales, I would ask them why they beach themselves. I would ask questions so I could do things to benefit the whales lives.
1975年我七岁时拥有那张国家地理的软胶唱片，经常反复聆听！如果能与鲸鱼对话，我想问它们为何要集体搁浅。通过提问找到改善鲸群生存状况的方法。
Yes it would definitely need to be animal centric. But given that Iceland and Japan are still hunting whales I think being able to warn them where the hunting ships are at would be great!
必须以动物权益为核心，考虑到冰岛和日本仍在捕鲸，如果能警告鲸群捕鲸船位置就太好了！
Humans have the need to "understand" in order to have consideration. Just as humans needed to understand whales had songs and communication to stop hunting them.
人类需要"理解"才能产生关怀。就像当初必须认识到鲸鱼会歌唱交流，才停止了对它们的捕杀。
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Cutting edge technology??...bro stuck a go pro onna whale !!
尖端科技？...老兄不过是在鲸鱼身上装了个GoPro！
We haven't dicephered any organisms language other than our own yet. Maybe we need to concentrate on less complex life first.
除人类语言外，我们尚未破译任何生物的语言。或许该先从更简单的生命形式着手。
Whales most likely are distressed by the disruption of their communication by underwater activities like those used by the militaries of the world. We may learn things about how all animals are impacted by things in our environment we werent aware of. This will allow us to focus our efforts to adapt and transform our way of life in better balance with the world around us.
军用声呐等水下活动很可能干扰鲸群通讯并造成困扰。通过研究，我们能了解人类活动对所有动物的未知影响，从而调整生活方式，实现与自然更和谐的共存。
If we can not even learn to communicate with another species that evolved with us on the same planet, then we are really screwed if we ever encounter an intelligent, technological alien species.
若连地球同胞物种都无法沟通，将来遭遇外星智慧生命时人类就完蛋了
I'm particularly wondering about their perception of time in all this. Like, what is the length of a sentence for a whale? For us, its a few second to a minute... but in their "umwelt" it could be totally different. A few minutes? An hour? ... A week? I mean, if they "talk" from thousands of km away, the imminence of the message or its importance relating to what the whale is doing at the very moment is really not clear. They could be singing a song for weeks to express a single sentence as far as we know...
特别好奇鲸鱼的时间感知。它们的"一句话"有多长？对人类是几秒到一分钟，但在它们的感知中可能完全不同——几分钟？一小时？甚至一周？考虑到它们能在数千公里外"对话"，信息紧迫性与当下行为的相关性难以判断。说不定它们唱几周的曲子只表达一个句子...
I'm sure the NAVY would have a lot to ask the whale.
海军肯定有很多问题想问鲸鱼
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Personally, I would ask them what they think about. Do they have subcultures? Religions? Morality? Verbal history? What do they think about what's above the water? What do they think about water? Do they know any of its properties? Any other chemicals that might be dissolved in their environment? Do they tell stories about other whales? Do they revere or revile other whales? I could go on forever, and I think it will be really eye-opening when we finally crack it.
我会问它们思考什么：有没有亚文化？宗教信仰？道德观念？口述历史？如何看待水上世界？对水的认知？是否了解水的特性及溶解物质？会讲述其他鲸鱼的故事吗？会崇拜或鄙视同类吗？问题根本问不完，破译鲸语绝对会大开眼界。
This could be seriously important technology. If we can translate Whale then we would actually stand a chance translating any actual alien signals we might ever get
这项技术至关重要。若能翻译鲸语，未来破译外星信号就有希望了
listening to the wales is the most important thing about understanding their language. we want these amazing creatures to be able to life a good life. but some wales are so curious about humans and enjoy interaction with divers that im surtain that the would love to be able to speak with us. who know waht both of the partys could learn from conversations. i think it would be selfish not to give them the opportunity to understand us.
倾听是理解鲸语的关键，我们希望这些神奇生物能好好生活，但有些鲸鱼对人类充满好奇，喜欢与潜水员互动，我相信它们渴望交流。谁知道对话能带来什么收获呢？剥夺它们理解人类的机会才是自私的。
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i think the only reasonable question you could ask a wale is: do you want to communicate with humans?
我认为唯一合理的问题是：你们愿意和人类交流吗？
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I wonder what effect exposure to human thinking would have on whales? Conceivably if we gave them internet access they could try to overthrow us.
好奇人类思维会对鲸鱼产生什么影响？要是给它们连上互联网，说不定会试图推翻人类统治
If AI is used for such uses than I'm in for it. If this could be possible in the Future it would be a breakthrough like landing on the Moon or developing Democracy. And speaking of Space: If we could use AI to better understand our Earth and it's Inhabitants, we should focus more on our Umwelt than what is out there.
若AI用于这种用途我完全支持。未来若能实现，将是堪比登月或民主制度建立的突破。说到太空，与其探索外星不如用AI先理解地球生命的不同感知世界
We sent whale song into outer space?
What if it's found by a super intelligent being who is able to translate it, and it turns out that the whales were saying disturbingly F'd up s@#t?
我们把鲸歌送进太空？要是被超级智慧生命破译，发现内容全是惊世骇俗的脏话怎么办？
Why would anyone doubt that whales talk to each other? It's obvious that they have a language to me. I hope we can learn to talk to them, they might be interested in chatting.
居然有人怀疑鲸鱼会交谈？它们明显有语言系统啊。希望能实现交流，说不定它们也乐意聊天呢
I deeply disagree with the notion that understanding whale language is only important if it helps them. It would be great if it does, but there is value in it even if all they get out of it is a few AI generated songs in their spam folder.
The main thing we get out of it is accessing another language across otherwise insurmountable boundaries. Even if we can never have a conversation with them, just being able to overcome umwelt with a species whose vocalizations are the most easily listened in on and to whom we can attach the largest tracking and recording devices, it gives us a platform to do the same with other species. Some of whom we might need to talk to someday.
It also gives us insight into their culture. We don't worry about what the Indus Valley civilization gets out of our attempts to decipher Harappan. We're trying to find out for our own interest in it and what we may learn about that culture. We may learn important things from whale culture that we can't yet imagine. And even if we don't, we may at least learn if they have culture, expanding our understanding of many fields.
And it's likely they're noticing things we aren't in the oceans that listening in could teach us.
It would be amazing if it helped them, but even if it doesn't, it's still worth doing.
坚决反对"破译鲸语必须对鲸有利"的观点。能帮助它们固然好，但即便它们只收到AI生成的垃圾歌曲也有研究价值。关键在于跨越物种鸿沟获取新语言体系，这为研究其他物种提供平台。就像破译哈拉帕文字不为古印度河谷文明，而为满足人类求知欲。鲸文化可能带来意想不到的启示，至少能验证它们是否存在文化。何况它们可能掌握着我们未知的海洋知识。帮助鲸群是锦上添花，但研究本身就有价值。
Cool,first step twards future learning alien s languages.
酷，这是未来学习外星语言的第一步
We kinda know about some animal language already, when a dog is howling or crying we have an idea of why he is doing it. When a cat hisses too. Problem is, we barely know what a whale is doing when it makes an specific noise.
我们已掌握部分动物语言，比如狗嚎叫或猫嘶吼的原因。但完全搞不懂鲸鱼发出特定声音时的行为动机
Its more than likely that only humans have the ability to consciously communicate complex information.
很可能只有人类具备有意识地传递复杂信息的能力
It still kind of blows. My mind that we put sounds on a record, assuming that aliens would even know how the hell to even play it.
想到我们往唱片刻声音时，居然假设外星人知道怎么播放，这实在让人震惊
This video really stuck with me, but for bad reasons. It seems so afraid, but, IMHO, it's hard to be innovative if you're not brave. It is a hard, but worthy challenge to maintain being ethical, prudent, and appropriately respectful while also being creative, brave, and exploratory but it is what is required to further science in a socially responsible way. In response to your, what would we even say to whales, we could warn them. We could post warnings of ships around our shipping lanes. So they wouldn't get murdered. We might be able to warn them about whalers? Maybe? We could talk to the ones in captivity better, to understand more about their likes and dislikes (thought, we should just free the ones that can safely be freed and we should take no more of them from the seas). We could ask them about the 95% of the ocean we haven't explored. We could increase their value in the eyes of other humans so they would stop messing with them (the whale song recordings are thought to be partially responsible for saving some of them from extinction because it allowed people to stop seeing them as "just animals". I know there is a lot of intimidating new science coming out now, some that might even take us places we shouldn't go, but we can't abandon our curiosity and innovation. It's our creature power.
这视频让我如鲠在喉，它充满畏惧，但创新需要勇气。在保持伦理、审慎、尊重的同时兼具创造力与探索精神虽难却值得，这正是负责任推进科学的方式。关于"该说什么"，我们可以警告鲸群避开航运路线和捕鲸船，改善圈养鲸鱼待遇（当然该放归的应放归），询问未探索海域情况，提升人类对鲸的重视（鲸歌录音曾扭转人们视其为"普通动物"的观念）。尽管新科技令人不安，但不能放弃好奇心与创新力——这是人类的天赋能力。
million years of species life experience on earth? Intelligent species life experience on earth? And weve been here how long? A drop in the bucket compared to whales. And with those big brains what kinds of things have they thought about well gliding around in the water, not wasting their brain power or energy, on desecrating the planet? Imagine the potential for wisdom? The complexity of their thinking maybe far beyond our arrogant self-centered violent self-destructive aggressions. They may not want to talk to us until we stop killing everything we come in contact with. They may actually see us as the alien life form that doesnt belong on this earth, or at least some mutant form of destructive vermin. Perhaps, just ignorant unruly two year olds were trash in the house with tantrums and out-of-control creative impulses. On the other hand, what is their telepathic? What is true telepathic means they are trying to influence us to self-destruction so that we quit killing everything else on earth including them.
鲸鱼在地球上拥有1.5亿年的物种生存经验？作为智慧物种的生存经验？而人类存在了多久？与鲸鱼相比不过是沧海一粟。它们拥有如此巨大的脑容量，当它们在水域中优雅游弋时，究竟思考着什么？是否从未浪费脑力与能量去破坏地球？其中蕴含的智慧潜力令人遐想。它们的思维复杂度或许远超人类这种傲慢自恋、暴力自毁的物种。或许在人类停止屠杀接触到的所有生物之前，它们根本不愿与我们对话。它们可能将人类视为不属于地球的外星生命，至少是某种变异形态的破坏性害虫，就像在屋里乱扔垃圾、撒泼打滚、创造力失控的两岁熊孩子。另一方面，若它们真的具备心灵感应能力，是否正试图通过影响人类自我毁灭来阻止我们继续屠杀包括它们在内的地球生命？
I am so FRUSTRATED with some of your experts. "Whale song is too beautiful for me to contribute to!" WTF? These people forgot their inner child somewhere. "Speak with animals" is a magic power, right there next to flying. Being in love with nature should make you excited to engage with it. Its too late to leave it alone now, anyway. Just admit that you don't actually need a good reason, or a selfless reason, or a helpful reason, or any reason. For the sake of pure joy and wonder, talking to a whale should be an instant yes. What do you say? Who knows; who cares. Being able to communicate at all should be magic enough.
你们某些专家的言论真让我抓狂。"鲸歌太美了，我不忍心参与破坏！" 搞什么鬼？这些人把内心的童真丢到哪个角落了？"与动物对话"可是堪比飞翔的魔法能力啊。真正热爱自然的人应该为能与其互动而兴奋。再说现在想不打扰它们也晚了。直接承认吧——我们根本不需要高尚理由、无私动机或实用目的。纯粹出于喜悦与惊奇，与鲸鱼对话就该立即执行。该说什么？谁知道呢，谁在乎呢。光是能沟通这件事本身，就足够魔幻了。
I have no problem with people communicating with them but there is a deeper issue, context. People talk about people things, whales likely talk about whale things. Getting whales to understand human things without experiencing our environment might be exceptionally difficult. What we communicate with them about might just be limited to things that impact them, like ocean conditions and weather, earthquakes, sea life migrations, etc. Some of our concepts might be so alien to them that they may never be able to understand.
我不反对人类与鲸鱼沟通，但存在更深层问题——语境差异。人类谈论人类事务，鲸鱼可能只关心鲸鱼相关话题。让未经历人类环境的鲸鱼理解人类事物可能极其困难。我们的交流内容或许只能局限于影响它们生存的领域：海洋状况、天气、地震、海洋生物迁徙等。某些人类概念对它们而言过于陌生，可能永远无法被理解。
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What if we find out that whales are all massively into eugenics and super racist?
万一我们发现所有鲸鱼都狂热推崇优生学，还极端种族主义怎么办？
Wouldnt it be better to put a camera on each side of the whale and then merger the clips to get an actual pov of the whale
如果在鲸鱼身体两侧安装摄像头，再合并视频素材，不是更能还原它们的真实视角吗？
What do you say? "Hey whale!" Obviously. Say it with good energy and see how it goes.
该说什么？当然是"嘿鲸鱼！"啊。用元气满满的态度打招呼，然后看情况发展呗。