前北约指挥官警告说，英国必须为战争做好准备，并恢复征兵制
UK must prepare for war and to bring back conscxtion, warns ex-Nato commander
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“但这并不能解决人力问题。”——The i Paper报道。
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UK must prepare for war and to bring back conscxtion, warns ex-Nato commander
-'Where are the air defence missiles defending London, Manchester, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Belfast and other cities?' General Sir Richard Shirreff tells The i Paper
前北约指挥官警告说，英国必须为战争做好准备，并恢复征兵制
——“保卫伦敦、曼彻斯特、格拉斯哥、爱丁堡、卡迪夫、贝尔法斯特和其他城市的防空导弹在哪里？”理查德·希尔夫将军对The i Paper讲
(Conscxtion of around 30,000 Britons a year must also be considered to boost the size of the British Army to 100,000)
（为了将英国陆军的规模扩大到10万人，还必须考虑每年征召约3万名英国人。）
新闻：
A former Nato commander believes plans due to be put forward by Sir Keir Starmer to send fewer than 30,000 European peacekeeping troops to Ukraine aren’t credible and that Britain must prepare for war with Russia.
一名前北约指挥官认为，斯塔默爵士提出的向乌克兰派遣近3万名欧洲维和部队的计划是不可信的，英国必须准备与俄罗斯开战。
General Sir Richard Shirreff said Russia must be defeated before any peacekeeping mission, but warned allied powers deploying peacekeeping soldiers should be ready for “full-scale state on state warfare” if Moscow’s forces attack them.
理查德·希尔夫爵士表示，在任何维和行动之前，俄罗斯必须先被击败，但他警告说，部署维和部队的盟国应该做好准备，一旦莫斯科军队攻击他们，就会发生“全面的国与国之间的战争”。
He added the Prime Minister will be “laughed out of court” by Donald Trump next week when he travels to Washington unless the Prime Minister signals defence spending will rise to at least 3 per cent.
他补充说，除非首相表示国防开支将至少增加到3%，否则首相下周前往华盛顿时将被唐纳德·特朗普“嘲笑出庭”。
The ex-Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe of Nato called on European powers to arm Kyiv to defeat Vladimir Putin on the battlefield before any peacekeeping force is deployed.
前北约欧洲盟军副最高指挥官呼吁欧洲大国武装基辅，在部署维和部队之前在战场上击败弗拉基米尔·普京。
Conscxtion of around 30,000 Britons a year must also be considered to boost the size of the British Army to 100,000, he believes, although as a professional soldier he said he “hated” the idea of conscxtion, with training to prepare Armed Forces reservists in the event of the “worst case”.
他认为，为了将英国军队的规模扩大到10万人，还必须考虑每年征召大约3万名英国人入伍，尽管作为一名职业军人，他说他“讨厌”征兵的想法，因为要训练预备役军人应对“最坏的情况”。
“Where are the air defence missiles defending London, Manchester, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Belfast, other major UK cities?” Sir Richard told The i Paper.
“保卫伦敦、曼彻斯特、格拉斯哥、爱丁堡、卡迪夫、贝尔法斯特和其他英国主要城市的防空导弹在哪里？”理查德爵士对The i Paper讲。
“Where is the mobilising of the defence industries, the mobilising of the national economy to fight a war?
“用以打仗的国防工业动员，国民经济动员，都哪里去了？
“This is big stuff. This is really serious. Munich, 1938 was a betrayal of Czechoslovakia, but at least it forced Chamberlain to kick off rearmaments.
“这是件大事。这真的很严重。1938年的慕尼黑战争是对捷克斯洛伐克的背叛，但至少它迫使张伯伦开始重整军备。
“Munich 2025 is set to be a betrayal of Ukraine. But it should also be firing a starting gun to prepare Britain and Nato for war with Russia, because that ultimately is the only way we are going to maintain peace.”
“2025年的慕尼黑（美俄会谈）注定是对乌克兰的背叛。但它也应该打响发令枪，让英国和北约为与俄罗斯的战争做好准备，因为这最终是我们维持和平的唯一途径。”
If Trump pulled US troops out of Baltic Nato states it could embolden Putin to launch further attacks and risk a Third World War, he added.
他补充说，如果特朗普将美国军队撤出波罗的海北约国家，可能会鼓励普京发动进一步的袭击，并敢冒第三次世界大战的风险。
The PM is set to unveil the blueprint, led by the UK and France, for a “reassurance force” of 30,000 soldiers to Trump next week.
首相将于下周向特朗普公布由英国和法国牵头的蓝图，派遣一支由3万名士兵组成的“保证部队”。
But Sir Richard said while plans to use intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft, drones and satellites to monitor any border with Russia were a good idea, “a lot more” soldiers were needed.
但理查德爵士表示，尽管使用情报、监视和侦察飞机、无人机和卫星监视与俄罗斯接壤地区的计划是个好主意，但需要“多得多”的士兵。
“The only cast iron security guarantee for Ukraine is Nato membership. The next guarantee is really capable troops, a military force with a clear intent that if the Russians do anything to break a cease fire, they’ll get thumped,” he said.
“乌克兰唯一牢不可摧的安全保障就是加入北约。下一个保证是真正有能力的军队，一支意图明确的军队，如果俄罗斯采取任何破坏停火的行动，他们就会遭到重创。”
“I think that you’re going to be really pushed to do anything with 30,000.
“我认为，有了3万人，你真的会被逼着去做任何事情。
“You’ve got to say, right, this is the nature of the task. This is what is required to do the task. Rather than saying the most we can provide is 30,000 and therefore, let’s find ways to make it stretch. So I don’t think it sounds credible, frankly.”
“你不得不说，对，这就是任务的本质。这是完成任务所需要的。而不是说我们最多能提供3万，因此，让我们想办法让它延伸。所以坦率地说，我认为这听起来不可信。”
Pete Hegseth, the US defence secretary, has said sole responsibility for any peacekeeping operations would fall on the Europeans and Canada.
美国国防部长皮特·海格塞斯表示，任何维和行动的全部责任将落在欧洲和加拿大身上。
Trump was creating the conditions for Putin to win the war, with Nato in danger of being “holed below the waterline” by the US President, said Sir Richard, now a leading geopolitical keynote speaker with the Champions Speakers Agency.
理查德爵士说，特朗普正在为普京赢得战争创造条件，北约有被美国总统“拖沉”的危险。理查德爵士现在是Champions Speakers Agency的主要地缘政治主题演讲者。
It comes as Defence Secretary John Healey said a ceasefire in Ukraine must not be something that is broken again by Russia re-invading Ukraine.
与此同时，国防大臣约翰·希利表示，乌克兰的停火协议不能因俄罗斯再次入侵乌克兰而再次被打破。
Sir Richard added: “All the talk about any ceasefire force, whether you call it implementation or reassurance or whatever, is totally academic, unless the Russians are forced to accept it.
理查德爵士补充道：“所有关于停火部队的讨论，无论你称之为实施、保证还是其他什么，都完全是学术性的，除非能让俄罗斯被迫接受它。”
“And so the first step is to say, how do we force the Russians to accept it? We defeat the Russians in Ukraine, or we help the Ukrainians to defeat the Russians in Ukraine.
“因此，第一步是说，我们如何迫使俄罗斯接受它？我们在乌克兰打败俄罗斯人，或者我们帮助乌克兰人打败在乌克兰的俄罗斯人。
“The only hope for long term peace and security in Europe is if Russia is given a bloody nose in Ukraine and recognises it will never achieve its aims – in other words, defeating Russia in Ukraine.”
“欧洲长期和平与安全的唯一希望是，俄罗斯在乌克兰受到重创，并认识到它永远无法实现自己的目标——换句话说，在乌克兰击败俄罗斯。”
Long-range missiles with permission to striked deep into Russia, huge caches of ammunition, air defence surveillance, tanks, armored infantry fighting vehicles and self propelled artillery, together with drones and satellite surveillance were all needed by Ukraine, Sir Richard said.
理查德爵士表示，乌克兰需要能够打击俄罗斯纵深地区的远程导弹、大量弹药、防空监视系统、坦克、装甲步兵战车和自行火炮，以及无人机和卫星监视系统。
Speaking on The Jeremy Vine Show, Labour MP Paulette Hamilton said that the UK needs to start “a serious discussion around conscxtion”.
工党议员波莱特·汉密尔顿在《杰里米·维恩秀》上说，英国需要“就征兵问题展开严肃的讨论”。
The MP for Birmingham Erdington said: “Conscxtion is not something I would have thought about until all of this has blown up. But I do think we need to start the serious discussions around conscxtion.
伯明翰厄丁顿的国会议员说：“在这一切发生之前，我从来没有想过征兵。但我确实认为我们需要就征兵问题展开严肃的讨论。
“Because young people are not engaged but they’re going to have to because our borders are being threatened and you cannot continue to bury your head in the sand.”
“因为年轻人没有参与，但他们将不得不参与，因为我们的边界受到威胁，你不能继续把头埋在沙子里。”
A Ministry of Defence spokesperson said: “This is purely speculation. As the Prime Minister said after Monday’s Paris summit, we are still at the early stages of the process, but Britain will take a leading role in supporting a lasting peace in Ukraine that safeguards its sovereignty and will deter Putin from further aggression in the future.”
国防部发言人说：“这纯粹是猜测。正如首相在周一巴黎峰会后所说，我们仍处于进程的早期阶段，但英国将在支持乌克兰持久和平方面发挥主导作用，以保护其主权，并阻止普京未来进一步侵略。”
-'Where are the air defence missiles defending London, Manchester, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Belfast and other cities?' General Sir Richard Shirreff tells The i Paper
前北约指挥官警告说，英国必须为战争做好准备，并恢复征兵制
——“保卫伦敦、曼彻斯特、格拉斯哥、爱丁堡、卡迪夫、贝尔法斯特和其他城市的防空导弹在哪里？”理查德·希尔夫将军对The i Paper讲
(Conscxtion of around 30,000 Britons a year must also be considered to boost the size of the British Army to 100,000)
（为了将英国陆军的规模扩大到10万人，还必须考虑每年征召约3万名英国人。）
新闻：
A former Nato commander believes plans due to be put forward by Sir Keir Starmer to send fewer than 30,000 European peacekeeping troops to Ukraine aren’t credible and that Britain must prepare for war with Russia.
一名前北约指挥官认为，斯塔默爵士提出的向乌克兰派遣近3万名欧洲维和部队的计划是不可信的，英国必须准备与俄罗斯开战。
General Sir Richard Shirreff said Russia must be defeated before any peacekeeping mission, but warned allied powers deploying peacekeeping soldiers should be ready for “full-scale state on state warfare” if Moscow’s forces attack them.
理查德·希尔夫爵士表示，在任何维和行动之前，俄罗斯必须先被击败，但他警告说，部署维和部队的盟国应该做好准备，一旦莫斯科军队攻击他们，就会发生“全面的国与国之间的战争”。
He added the Prime Minister will be “laughed out of court” by Donald Trump next week when he travels to Washington unless the Prime Minister signals defence spending will rise to at least 3 per cent.
他补充说，除非首相表示国防开支将至少增加到3%，否则首相下周前往华盛顿时将被唐纳德·特朗普“嘲笑出庭”。
The ex-Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe of Nato called on European powers to arm Kyiv to defeat Vladimir Putin on the battlefield before any peacekeeping force is deployed.
前北约欧洲盟军副最高指挥官呼吁欧洲大国武装基辅，在部署维和部队之前在战场上击败弗拉基米尔·普京。
Conscxtion of around 30,000 Britons a year must also be considered to boost the size of the British Army to 100,000, he believes, although as a professional soldier he said he “hated” the idea of conscxtion, with training to prepare Armed Forces reservists in the event of the “worst case”.
他认为，为了将英国军队的规模扩大到10万人，还必须考虑每年征召大约3万名英国人入伍，尽管作为一名职业军人，他说他“讨厌”征兵的想法，因为要训练预备役军人应对“最坏的情况”。
“Where are the air defence missiles defending London, Manchester, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Belfast, other major UK cities?” Sir Richard told The i Paper.
“保卫伦敦、曼彻斯特、格拉斯哥、爱丁堡、卡迪夫、贝尔法斯特和其他英国主要城市的防空导弹在哪里？”理查德爵士对The i Paper讲。
“Where is the mobilising of the defence industries, the mobilising of the national economy to fight a war?
“用以打仗的国防工业动员，国民经济动员，都哪里去了？
“This is big stuff. This is really serious. Munich, 1938 was a betrayal of Czechoslovakia, but at least it forced Chamberlain to kick off rearmaments.
“这是件大事。这真的很严重。1938年的慕尼黑战争是对捷克斯洛伐克的背叛，但至少它迫使张伯伦开始重整军备。
“Munich 2025 is set to be a betrayal of Ukraine. But it should also be firing a starting gun to prepare Britain and Nato for war with Russia, because that ultimately is the only way we are going to maintain peace.”
“2025年的慕尼黑（美俄会谈）注定是对乌克兰的背叛。但它也应该打响发令枪，让英国和北约为与俄罗斯的战争做好准备，因为这最终是我们维持和平的唯一途径。”
If Trump pulled US troops out of Baltic Nato states it could embolden Putin to launch further attacks and risk a Third World War, he added.
他补充说，如果特朗普将美国军队撤出波罗的海北约国家，可能会鼓励普京发动进一步的袭击，并敢冒第三次世界大战的风险。
The PM is set to unveil the blueprint, led by the UK and France, for a “reassurance force” of 30,000 soldiers to Trump next week.
首相将于下周向特朗普公布由英国和法国牵头的蓝图，派遣一支由3万名士兵组成的“保证部队”。
But Sir Richard said while plans to use intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft, drones and satellites to monitor any border with Russia were a good idea, “a lot more” soldiers were needed.
但理查德爵士表示，尽管使用情报、监视和侦察飞机、无人机和卫星监视与俄罗斯接壤地区的计划是个好主意，但需要“多得多”的士兵。
“The only cast iron security guarantee for Ukraine is Nato membership. The next guarantee is really capable troops, a military force with a clear intent that if the Russians do anything to break a cease fire, they’ll get thumped,” he said.
“乌克兰唯一牢不可摧的安全保障就是加入北约。下一个保证是真正有能力的军队，一支意图明确的军队，如果俄罗斯采取任何破坏停火的行动，他们就会遭到重创。”
“I think that you’re going to be really pushed to do anything with 30,000.
“我认为，有了3万人，你真的会被逼着去做任何事情。
“You’ve got to say, right, this is the nature of the task. This is what is required to do the task. Rather than saying the most we can provide is 30,000 and therefore, let’s find ways to make it stretch. So I don’t think it sounds credible, frankly.”
“你不得不说，对，这就是任务的本质。这是完成任务所需要的。而不是说我们最多能提供3万，因此，让我们想办法让它延伸。所以坦率地说，我认为这听起来不可信。”
Pete Hegseth, the US defence secretary, has said sole responsibility for any peacekeeping operations would fall on the Europeans and Canada.
美国国防部长皮特·海格塞斯表示，任何维和行动的全部责任将落在欧洲和加拿大身上。
Trump was creating the conditions for Putin to win the war, with Nato in danger of being “holed below the waterline” by the US President, said Sir Richard, now a leading geopolitical keynote speaker with the Champions Speakers Agency.
理查德爵士说，特朗普正在为普京赢得战争创造条件，北约有被美国总统“拖沉”的危险。理查德爵士现在是Champions Speakers Agency的主要地缘政治主题演讲者。
It comes as Defence Secretary John Healey said a ceasefire in Ukraine must not be something that is broken again by Russia re-invading Ukraine.
与此同时，国防大臣约翰·希利表示，乌克兰的停火协议不能因俄罗斯再次入侵乌克兰而再次被打破。
Sir Richard added: “All the talk about any ceasefire force, whether you call it implementation or reassurance or whatever, is totally academic, unless the Russians are forced to accept it.
理查德爵士补充道：“所有关于停火部队的讨论，无论你称之为实施、保证还是其他什么，都完全是学术性的，除非能让俄罗斯被迫接受它。”
“And so the first step is to say, how do we force the Russians to accept it? We defeat the Russians in Ukraine, or we help the Ukrainians to defeat the Russians in Ukraine.
“因此，第一步是说，我们如何迫使俄罗斯接受它？我们在乌克兰打败俄罗斯人，或者我们帮助乌克兰人打败在乌克兰的俄罗斯人。
“The only hope for long term peace and security in Europe is if Russia is given a bloody nose in Ukraine and recognises it will never achieve its aims – in other words, defeating Russia in Ukraine.”
“欧洲长期和平与安全的唯一希望是，俄罗斯在乌克兰受到重创，并认识到它永远无法实现自己的目标——换句话说，在乌克兰击败俄罗斯。”
Long-range missiles with permission to striked deep into Russia, huge caches of ammunition, air defence surveillance, tanks, armored infantry fighting vehicles and self propelled artillery, together with drones and satellite surveillance were all needed by Ukraine, Sir Richard said.
理查德爵士表示，乌克兰需要能够打击俄罗斯纵深地区的远程导弹、大量弹药、防空监视系统、坦克、装甲步兵战车和自行火炮，以及无人机和卫星监视系统。
Speaking on The Jeremy Vine Show, Labour MP Paulette Hamilton said that the UK needs to start “a serious discussion around conscxtion”.
工党议员波莱特·汉密尔顿在《杰里米·维恩秀》上说，英国需要“就征兵问题展开严肃的讨论”。
The MP for Birmingham Erdington said: “Conscxtion is not something I would have thought about until all of this has blown up. But I do think we need to start the serious discussions around conscxtion.
伯明翰厄丁顿的国会议员说：“在这一切发生之前，我从来没有想过征兵。但我确实认为我们需要就征兵问题展开严肃的讨论。
“Because young people are not engaged but they’re going to have to because our borders are being threatened and you cannot continue to bury your head in the sand.”
“因为年轻人没有参与，但他们将不得不参与，因为我们的边界受到威胁，你不能继续把头埋在沙子里。”
A Ministry of Defence spokesperson said: “This is purely speculation. As the Prime Minister said after Monday’s Paris summit, we are still at the early stages of the process, but Britain will take a leading role in supporting a lasting peace in Ukraine that safeguards its sovereignty and will deter Putin from further aggression in the future.”
国防部发言人说：“这纯粹是猜测。正如首相在周一巴黎峰会后所说，我们仍处于进程的早期阶段，但英国将在支持乌克兰持久和平方面发挥主导作用，以保护其主权，并阻止普京未来进一步侵略。”
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Conscxtion will return to Germany as well, it is a major factor in the upcoming elections. Many militaries will have to return to cold war policies, unfortunately.
德国也将恢复征兵制，这是即将到来的选举中的一个主要因素。不幸的是，许多国家的军队将不得不回归冷战政策。
EricBelov1
Most of comments here are just people very unhappy with the idea of bringing back conscxtion. Very weird since this subreddit is very vocal on how USA can go and suck a lemon and they have to deal with the problems themselves.
Embodiment of talking the talk and not walking the walk. And it’s not even a real thing, but mere prospect of it.
这里的大多数评论都是人们对恢复征兵制的想法非常不满。很奇怪，因为这个版块一直在说美国怎么能去舔柠檬，他们必须自己解决问题。
只说不做的体现。它甚至不是一个真实的事情，而仅仅是它的前景。
XLeyzEurope
It's like how everyone on this sub always praises the idea of an EU Army but when you tell them to enlist into it they get cold feet, for some reason
就像这个版块上的每个人总是称赞“欧盟军队”的想法，但当你告诉他们要入伍时，他们出于某种原因就退缩了
Golvellius
EU Army doesn't mean we open a new army and start recruiting from zero, it means EU national armies report to a EU central command that organizew all of their operations and EU political entity that authorizes them. Which is why it's complicated to reach.
欧盟军队并不意味着我们要建立一支新的军队，从零开始招募，这意味着欧盟国家军队向欧盟中央司令部报告，由该司令部组织所有行动，欧盟政治实体授权他们。这就是为什么它很难实现。
DemosBarGreece
That's why we need common institutions for all of them, you can't have conscxtion in some countries and not in others. You also can't fight a real war without some conscxtion.
这就是为什么我们需要为所有这些国家建立共同的制度，你不能在一些国家有征兵制，而在另一些国家没有。不搞征兵就打不了一场真正的战争。
KhanTheGrayEarth
That doesn’t solve the problem of manpower though.
European armies don’t have the numbers to stop a Russian invasion. They could hardly stop a smaller country attacking another.
但这并不能解决人力问题。
欧洲军队的数量不足以阻止俄罗斯的入侵。他们甚至几乎无法阻止一个小国攻击另一个小国。
Golvellius
Why not? Ukraine had the manpower (not the equipment) to stop a russian invasion. One backed by chechen and north korean shock troops too.
为什么不呢？乌克兰就有足够的人力（不是装备）来阻止俄罗斯的入侵（还有车臣和朝鲜突击部队的支持）。
TheBlackestCrowFuck Putin
It's also a bit understandable because some countries actually neglected their armies in the past.
The army in the Netherlands as an example was rubbish because of years of neglectment and budget cuts. This also lowered people's interest in joining. We even had ammunition shortages for a while.
So now the solution is conscxting people while we could have had a professional and well supplied army if years of right wing governments hadn't cut budgets.
At least the decision was made to apply conscxtion (currently only passive) to all genders in the Netherlands while it previously only applied to men.
这也是可以理解的，因为一些国家在过去实际上忽视了他们的军队。
以荷兰军队为例，由于多年的疏忽和预算削减，军队变成了垃圾。这也降低了人们加入的兴趣。我们甚至一度出现了弹药短缺。
所以现在的解决办法是征召人们，而如果多年来右翼政府没有削减预算，我们本可以拥有一支专业和供应充足的军队。
至少荷兰决定将征兵制（目前只是被动征兵）适用于所有性别，而以前只适用于男性。
IDontEatDillFinland
European countries do not need armies of their own. If war happens, a magical blue NATO ship will land from the sky and a million trained and motivated soldiers will appear. That's why we like to keep talking about preparing but not spending a cent more.
欧洲国家不需要自己的军队。如果发生战争，一艘神奇的蓝色北约船将从天而降，一百万训练有素、斗志昂扬的士兵将出现。这就是为什么我们喜欢一直谈论准备，而不是多花一分钱。
tree_boomUnited Kingdom
Whilst rearmament is clearly necessary let's keep some perspective. Conscxtion in the UK was abolished in 1963, we didn't have it throughout the Cold War with the huge threat from the Warsaw Pact. Russia is dangerous, but they are not anything like as powerful as the Warsaw Pact, not the Soviet unx nor even the Russian Empire.
We don't need to knee jerk, we just need to take defence seriously. British forces are always going to be more focused on the naval aspects of a war anyway, we're not going to be fielding massive armies too.
虽然重整军备显然是必要的，但让我们保持一些远景。英国在1963年废除了征兵制，在整个冷战时期，由于华沙条约的巨大威胁，我们没有征兵制。俄罗斯是危险的，但他们不像华约那样强大，不像苏联，甚至不像俄罗斯帝国。
我们不需要膝跳反应，我们只需要认真对待防守。不管怎样，英国军队总是更关注战争的海军方面，我们也不会部署大规模的陆军。
EmperorOfNipplesCornwall - United Kingdom
True that Russia isn't as powerful as the USSR.
However we also have a much less stable middle east. Collapse of democracy across Africa. And we can basically no longer rely on the USA.
All of Europe will need Cold war spending, at the very least.
的确，俄罗斯没有苏联强大。
然而，我们也有一个不太稳定的中东。整个非洲的民主崩溃。我们基本上不能再依赖美国了。
至少，整个欧洲都需要冷战时期的开支。
DicksAndPizza
I HOPE YOURE RIGHT. I am currently absolutely terrified of the future. Never ever in my whole life would I think that WW3 would happen, let alone with the USA as our enemy.
I’m a 30 year old male and I cry myself to sleep sometimes.
I said this before in German. I will repeat it in English. I am okay with never owning a house. I am okay of never owning my own car. I am okay with renting everything and „be happy“ with it.
BUT I AM NOT OKAY WITH THIS!!!
The USA used to send troops across the Atlantic to fight fascism. Now look at them.
I want to cry. Actually, I have and am already empty of tears.
我希望你是对的。我现在非常害怕未来。在我的一生中，我从来没有想过第三次世界大战会发生，更不用说美国是我们的敌人了。
我是一名30岁的男性，有时我会哭着入睡。
我之前用德语说过。我用英语重复一遍。就算从来没有房子我也无所谓。从来没有自己的车我也无所谓。我可以接受所有的东西靠租，并且“很开心”。
但我不能接受这个！！
美国过去曾派遣军队越过大西洋去打击法西斯主义。现在看看他们。
我想哭。事实上，我已经没有眼泪了。
urmomiscringe12
Just because it was abolished in 1963, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t come back though. You don’t need to have massive armies. The more countries involved with any kind of conscxted armies the better. No one wants to be drafted but I think it’s only fair that everyone is treated equally if they wanted their own country defended by other countries
仅仅因为征兵制在1963年被废除，并不意味着它不应该回来。你不需要庞大的军队。参与任何形式的征召军队的国家越多越好。没有人想被征召入伍，但我认为，如果每个人都希望自己的国家得到其他国家的保护，那么每个人都应该得到平等对待
Gamer_MommyEurope
Which is exactly why Europe needs UK. Russia does not pose a threat to a United European army on land or air. However when it comes to water it might become a problem with all of their submarines and the fact that a large percentage if not all by now are actually equipped with nuclear weapons.
这正是欧洲需要英国的原因。俄罗斯在陆地或空中都不会对欧洲联合军队构成威胁。然而，当涉及到水时，这可能成为他们所有潜艇的一个问题，而且事实上，如果不是全部的话，其中很大一部分现在实际上配备了核武器。
Sir_Henry_Deadman
The British army has a lot of documentation about why conscxtion doesn't work and why they can't actually mobilise that many people, we are not an infantry army or large ground force,
We're well trained precision force with great Intel gathering and logistics
Sounds harsh but other militaries in the EU have the manpower we also have a Navy that some nations don't
英国军队有很多文件说明为什么征兵不起作用，为什么他们不能动员那么多人，我们不是步兵部队，也不是大型地面部队，
我们是训练有素的精兵部队，有很好的情报收集和后勤保障
听起来很残酷，但欧盟其他国家的军队有人力，我们也有一些国家没有的海军
DemosBarGreece
Conscxtion works not only in creating a bigger military at the time but for free labour to build military infrastructure. It also ties immigrants and citizens closer with the institutions. Countries with conscxtion have a higher chance of their citizenry actually wanting to defend their country.
征兵制不仅在当时建立了一支更大的军队，而且为建设军事基础设施提供了免费劳动力。它还将移民和公民与制度联系得更紧密。实行征兵制的国家，其公民真正想要保卫国家的可能性更高。
Febos
Conscxtion is perfect to get reserves. Soldiers you can enlist fast since they had military training a decade ago. Perfect for defence, so for Europe since we don't plan anymore offensive actions. USA has a National guard.
征兵制是获得后备军的最佳途径。你可以很快招募士兵，因为他们十年前就接受过军事训练。对于防守来说是完美的，对于欧洲来说也是如此，因为我们不再计划进攻了。美国就有国民警卫队。
ParticularFix2104Earth (dry part)
Military rearmament is obviously necessary but I don't see how bringing back conscxtion doesn't unleash a wave of anti-militarist, anti-NATO sentiment the likes of which Britain cannot recover from.
军事重整显然是必要的，但我不明白为什么恢复征兵制不会引发一波反军国主义、反北约的情绪，这是英国无法恢复的。
GenocodeThe Netherlands
NATO is dead in the water as long as Trump is still president.
Also we're essentially in a Cold War again and during the Cold War we all had conscxtion too, and significantly higher military spending.
只要特朗普还是总统，北约就会死在水里。
同时，我们又处于冷战时期了，在冷战期间，我们都有征兵制度，军费开支明显增加。