网友讨论：波音能克服他们最近的挑战吗？
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波音的747是最具代表性的飞机之一，以其标志性的隆起、四个引擎、庞大的起落架和巨大的体积而闻名。自1970年首次商业飞行以来，波音747大型客机已经载运了超过35亿名乘客。但在过去几十年里，航空公司一直在寻求更多降低成本和提高飞机效率的方法。如今，双引擎飞机能够飞得与老旧的四引擎飞机（如波音747和空客A380）差不多的航程，并且具有更远的飞行距离。CNBC访问了波音位于华盛顿州埃弗雷特的工厂，亲眼见证了最后一架747从生产线上下线。这架飞机将交给Atlas Air用于货物运输。
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Boeing’s 747 is one the most recognizable planes to take to the skies with its iconic hump, four engines, extensive landing gear and sheer size. Since its first commercial flight in 1970, Boeing’s 747 jumbo jet has flown more than 3.5 billion passengers. But over the last few decades, airlines have looked for more ways to cut costs and to make airplanes more efficient. Two engine jets can now fly near the same capacity and further than older four engine planes like Boeing’s 747 and the Airbus A380. CNBC visited Boeing's Everett, Washington factory to see the last 747 roll off the production line. It will go to Atlas Air for cargo deliveries.
波音的747是最具代表性的飞机之一，以其标志性的隆起、四个引擎、庞大的起落架和巨大的体积而闻名。自1970年首次商业飞行以来，波音747大型客机已经载运了超过35亿名乘客。但在过去几十年里，航空公司一直在寻求更多降低成本和提高飞机效率的方法。如今，双引擎飞机能够飞得与老旧的四引擎飞机（如波音747和空客A380）差不多的航程，并且具有更远的飞行距离。CNBC访问了波音位于华盛顿州埃弗雷特的工厂，亲眼见证了最后一架747从生产线上下线。这架飞机将交给Atlas Air用于货物运输。
Five years ago, 346 people were killed in two plane crashes that happened five months apart, in Indonesia and Ethiopia. Both were Boeing 737 Max 8 planes. Then, this past January, Boeing came inches from yet another catastrophe as a door plug blew off an Alaska Airlines 737 Max 9 plane at 16,000 feet shortly after taking off from Portland, Oregon. Preliminary reports said the door panel that flew off the Max 9 appeared to be missing four key bolts.
五年前，346人在两起发生在印度尼西亚和埃塞俄比亚的飞机坠毁事故中丧生，时间相隔五个月。两起事故的飞机均为波音737 Max 8。然后，在今年一月，波音差点再度遭遇灾难，一架阿拉斯加航空的737 Max 9飞机在从俄勒冈州波特兰起飞后不久，在16,000英尺的高空发生了门塞失事。初步报告显示，飞离737 Max 9的门板似乎缺少了四个关键的螺栓。
五年前，346人在两起发生在印度尼西亚和埃塞俄比亚的飞机坠毁事故中丧生，时间相隔五个月。两起事故的飞机均为波音737 Max 8。然后，在今年一月，波音差点再度遭遇灾难，一架阿拉斯加航空的737 Max 9飞机在从俄勒冈州波特兰起飞后不久，在16,000英尺的高空发生了门塞失事。初步报告显示，飞离737 Max 9的门板似乎缺少了四个关键的螺栓。
Boeing has struggled to get back on track after the fatal 737 Max 8 crashes in 2018 and 2019. The company announced it's in talks to buy back fuselage maker Spirit AeroSystems. A company Boeing spun off in 2005. Both companies have struggled with quality issues in recent years. Spirit AeroSystems, however, also supplies parts to Boeings main rival Airbus and other plane manufacturers making the deal a little complex.
波音在2018年和2019年737 Max 8的致命空难之后，一直在努力恢复正常。公司宣布正在谈判收购机身制造商Spirit AeroSystems，这是波音于2005年剥离的公司。近年来，双方公司都面临着质量问题。然而，Spirit AeroSystems还为波音的主要竞争对手空客和其他飞机制造商提供零件，这使得这笔交易变得有些复杂。
波音在2018年和2019年737 Max 8的致命空难之后，一直在努力恢复正常。公司宣布正在谈判收购机身制造商Spirit AeroSystems，这是波音于2005年剥离的公司。近年来，双方公司都面临着质量问题。然而，Spirit AeroSystems还为波音的主要竞争对手空客和其他飞机制造商提供零件，这使得这笔交易变得有些复杂。
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Let the world remember that they unalived two whistleblowers.
让全世界记住，他们杀害了两个揭发真相的人。
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When Ivy Bean Counters laid off valuable engineers and technicians while simultaneously boosting the salaries of their executives.
当Ivy Bean Counters裁掉了宝贵的工程师和技术人员，同时大幅提高了高管们的薪水。
From $37K to $45K that's the minimum range of profit return every week I think it's not a bad one for me, now I have enough to pay bills and take care of my family.
从每周37K美元到45K美元，这是我认为不算差的最低利润回报，现在我有足够的钱支付账单并照顾家人。
This is a lesson to all us companies. If you focus on the short term share hold value and forget about the fundamentals you’ll follow in Boeing footsteps.
这是给所有公司的一个教训。如果你只关注短期股东价值，而忽略了基本面，你将会像波音一样走向衰败。
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"Recent challenges" you mean pure corporate greed that cost people their lives for the sake of profit?
“最近的挑战”你是指为了利润而导致人们丧命的纯粹企业贪婪吗？
22:12 Can't help to feel the same about 747. My family moved from China to Sweden when I was 10, 747 was THE plane which took us half way around the world to start our new life. I will forever feel an emotional connection to the 747.❤
22:12 我无法不感受到对747的同样情感。十岁时，我和家人从中国移居瑞典，747就是那架带我们飞越半个地球、开启新生活的飞机。我永远与747有着深厚的情感联系。❤
Boeing: we value quality pay for our executive. No quality will be tolerances!
波音：我们重视高管的高薪，没有质量，容忍度为零！
I am definitely a Boeing fan. Since childhood, all airlines that I have flown with had 757 and 737-200 in which I personally have great memories in. As I read through articles about Boeing’s executive decisions, I am reminded of how previous executives chose to upgrade the 737 NG to save costs by developing the MAX. Unfortunately, this decision turned out to be more expensive than creating a clean sheet design. They failed to foresee future developments and focused too much on the present without considering the associated risks. This situation serves as a reminder that complacency is the enemy of progress. I am hopeful that under Ortberg's leadership, he can swiftly transform the company and restore it to its former glory.
我绝对是波音的粉丝。从小开始，我搭乘过的所有航空公司都拥有757和737-200，这些飞机在我个人的记忆中有着重要地位。当我阅读关于波音高管决策的文章时，我想起了之前的高管们为了节省成本，把737 NG升级成了MAX。不幸的是，这个决定比直接设计一款全新的飞机更昂贵。他们未能预见未来的发展，过度关注眼前的利益而忽视了相关风险。这种情况提醒我们，满足现状就是进步的敌人。我希望在Ortberg的领导下，他能迅速转变公司，让波音恢复昔日的辉煌。
I hope they can get it turned around❤!
希望他们能扭转局面❤
Came to hear about boeing overcoming its recent challenges
Instead got a history of the 747
Not disappointed
来这里听波音克服近期挑战的故事
结果听到了一段747的历史
一点也不失望
1Such a beautiful moment in time for aviation, looking back to the 70s. Those old recording were amazing!
真的是航空史上一段美丽的时光，回望70年代。那些旧录音真是太棒了！
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Heartbreaking to see what’s happened to a once iconic company. They have to get back to that status.
看到曾经标志性的公司现在的状况，真让人心碎。他们必须重新回到那个地位。
The rate at which planes are crashing in 2025 is super worrisome. What’s on with 2025
2025年飞机坠毁的频率让人非常担忧。2025年到底怎么了
Boeing: JUST KEEP YOUR unx HAPPY. It's NOT that complicated. It's the WORKERS that build the planes, NOT THE CEO. Or any executives. You're NOTHING without your workers. ZERO.
波音：只要让你们的工会开心就好。其实没那么复杂。飞机是工人造出来的，不是CEO或任何高管。没有工人，你们什么都不是，零。
"Can Boeing Overcome Their Recent Challenges?" Gravity? Probably not.
“波音能克服他们最近的挑战吗？” 重力？可能做不到。
Misleading topic. why should customers care about glory of Boeing if their managers and CEO doesn't care about direct customers, safety, workers and pilots. Only thing they care is money, bonuses and profit margin which led to all problems
误导性的标题。如果他们的管理层和CEO不关心直接客户、安全、工人和飞行员，为什么客户还要关心波音的荣耀？他们唯一关心的就是钱、奖金和利润，这导致了所有的问题。
A major supplier of components, Standard Pressed Steel Company, just burned down
一个主要的组件供应商，标准冲压钢铁公司，刚刚烧毁了。
That passenger looked like she was enjoying that cigarette.
那位乘客看起来很享受那支烟。
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I miss the luxury days of air travel.
我怀念那个豪华的航空旅行时代。
MCAS was NOT intended to push, or pitch, the nose down - that was just a side effect. The intent was to make the controls feel heavier at extreme pitch attitudes...by trimming the nose down while the pilot is attempting to pitch up.
MCAS 并不是为了让机头下压——那只是副作用。其目的是在极端的俯仰角度下让操控感觉更重……通过在飞行员试图上仰时修正机头。
I still have full faith in Boeing and will happily fly any of their jets!
Especially the 747-8 I flew it upstairs last month! SO INCREDIBLE!
我依然对波音充满信心，愿意飞任何一架他们的飞机！尤其是747-8，我上个月飞了它的二层！真是太不可思议了！
They’ll overcome it because they’re backed by so many countries and airlines. I’m not sure Airbus could meet the demand for new aircrafts as the only manufacturer.
他们会克服这些困难，因为他们得到了许多国家和航空公司的支持。我不确定空客作为唯一制造商是否能满足对新飞机的需求。
They need to focus on product quality and safety first. If this means management changes then they must do it.
他们需要将产品质量和安全放在首位。如果这意味着需要更换管理层，那么就必须这么做。
I have experience in machine work and mechanics, my buddy has experience producing music, both applied to Boeing, he got hired, he is black, I am white, I got a call saying no spots for someone with my qualifications, I haven’t flown since, that showed me how they hire and scared the hell outa me, it’s coming to fruition more and more
我有机械工作和机械修理的经验，我的朋友有音乐制作的经验，他成功进入了波音公司，他是黑人，而我是白人，我接到电话说没有合适的岗位给我这样资历的人，我从此没有再飞过，这让我看到了他们的招聘方式，并且把我吓得不轻，现在这一切正变成现实。
Boeing executives have openly said they want to hire more incompetent minority applicants, oops, I mean, "underprivileged" minority applicants. This has been happening all over the U.S. A friend of mine is an engineer out west and his team was not allowed to hire
波音高管公开表示，他们希望雇佣更多“无能的少数族裔申请人”，哦不，我是说“贫困的”少数族裔申请人。这种情况在美国各地都有发生。我有个朋友在西部做工程师，他的团队就被禁止雇佣。
As a beginner, it is essential that you have a mentor to help you stay accountable. In my case, Evelyn Carolyn has guided me for months, and I highly recommend her. I focus on her. To be honest, I'm almost hesitant to let someone take charge of growing my finances, but I'm so glad I did.
作为初学者，拥有一个导师来帮助你保持责任感是非常重要的。在我的情况下，Evelyn Carolyn已经指导我几个月了，我强烈推荐她。我专注于她。老实说，我几乎不敢让别人掌控我的财务增长，但我很高兴我这么做了。
Well they went from highly skilled and trained unx labor and engineers to non unx and far less skilled labor, example is the 737 made at the facility in South Carolina with less skilled cheaper workers with their own workers doing their own quality checks not government FAA inspectors.. Argue all you want about this fact but cheaper in this case cost lives. Whether it’s 1 or 1 million. Quality and safety is not worth 1 life regardless of cost. Bravo guys.
他们从技术熟练、训练有素的工会工人和工程师，变成了非工会、技能较差的工人，举个例子就是南卡罗来纳州制造的737，工人技能较低，工资较便宜，而且是他们自己检查质量，而不是政府的FAA检查员。不管你怎么争论这个事实，但在这种情况下，廉价意味着生命的代价。无论是1条生命，还是一百万条生命。质量和安全的价值无法用一条生命来衡量，尊重他们。
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It’s incredible to think that the Airbus A380 has surpassed the Boeing 747 in terms of performance.
想想看，空客A380在性能上已经超过了波音747，真是令人难以置信。
Their market capitalization is barely affected by anything that has happened….shows you that it’s a critical company in a market with little competition…
他们的市值几乎没有受到任何事情的影响……这显示出它是一个在竞争较少的市场中至关重要的公司……
Boeing was amazing once upon a time. Unless they return to their root as engineering company, those mba CEOs will outsource and run Boeing to their xxxxxx.....
波音曾经是一个非常了不起的公司。除非他们回归作为工程公司的本根，否则那些MBA背景的CEO将把波音外包并把它带到他们的xxx......
They got pretty lucky that all those whistle blowers had accidents.
他们运气不错，那些举报者都发生了事故。
13:23 He forgot to mention the worst plane crash in history when two 747, one from Pan Am and one from KLM, collided on the runway at Tenerife North airport in 27 March 1977. Killing 583 people and injurie 61 (from Wikipedia).
13:23 他忘了提到历史上最严重的空难——1977年3月27日，两个747飞机相撞在特内里费北部机场的跑道上，分别是泛美航空和荷兰皇家航空的航班，导致583人死亡，61人受伤（来自维基百科）。
Just think Boeing never would have said anything about the M-CAS if it had never been found.
It would have slowly been fixed without raising any alarm
想想看，如果没有发现MCAS问题，波音永远不会说出来。 它本来会在没有引起任何警报的情况下慢慢被修复。
i had this tab open for like 2 hours with plan to watch this video. At THIS VERY MOMENT, there is a Delta airplane thats upside down in Toronto
我已经把这个标签开了两个小时，打算观看这个视频。就在这一刻，一架达美航空的飞机在多伦多翻了。
What’s recent about have constant deadly crashes since the last 90s due to reused parts?
从90年代以来，由于重复使用零件，发生了持续不断的致命空难，这有什么新鲜的吗？
I support every ounce of this Boeing bashing and they completely deserve it but i really do hope they turn it around. I don’t wanna fly only British or Brazilian planes that would be genuinely sad to see.
我支持对波音的每一份批评，他们完全应得，但我真心希望他们能够扭转局面。我不想只飞英国或巴西的飞机，那真是太令人伤心了。
The US Navy shot that 747 down off the coast of Long Island. The video tape has already been released. So don't blame the 747 on that one.
美国海军在长岛海岸击落了那架747，视频带已经公布。所以别把747的责任归咎于它。
Southwest is one of the culprits for Boeing's recent problems. Some can argue 737s should be completely reengineered and released as a new model, but Southwest wanted to keep the same 737 label so it can save millions from pilot certifications. Money is root of all evils
西南航空是波音近期问题的罪魁祸首之一。有人可以说737应该完全重新设计并作为新型号发布，但西南航空为了节省飞行员认证费用，想保留同样的737标签。钱是万恶之源
It's time for Canada to stop supporting this company.
I've been on some 1,700 flights, but never on a MAX - and now I refuse to fly any Boeing airplane!
是时候让加拿大停止支持这家公司了。我已经坐了1700次航班，但从未坐过MAX，现在我拒绝乘坐任何波音飞机！
I've been riding Boeing's turbulence in the market and have made a pretty penny. since it was about $100 bucks a share in 2020. But then, I have a strong stomach and some patience. It's been a good play money stock.
我一直在波音的市场动荡中乘风破浪，从2020年股价约100美元的时候起赚了不少钱。但我有强大的胃口和耐心，这是一只不错的投机股。
Everything in this video is almost a year old news. Why not putting a single new information about how the company is doing???
视频中几乎所有内容都是一年前的新闻，为什么不加入一些关于公司现状的新信息？
No doubt Airbus paid very very high amounts for this video
毫无疑问，空客支付了非常高的费用来制作这个视频。
They need to make the 747 a twin engine.
All their problems would be solved, besides their corporate greed.
他们需要将747改为双引擎。
他们所有的问题都能解决，除了公司的贪婪。
Can we please investigate the murdered whistleblowers?
我们能不能调查一下那些被谋杀的举报人？
If Boeing stopped acting like McDonnell Douglas with its cost and corner cutting, maybe it wouldn't be in the weeds.
如果波音不再像麦克唐纳·道格拉斯那样为了成本削减和降低标准，也许它就不会陷入困境。
You work for 42yrs to have $2m in your retirement, Meanwhile some people are putting just $20k in a meme coin for just few months and now they are multi millionaires I pray that anyone who reads this will be successful in life
你工作42年才积累200万美元的退休金，然而有些人仅仅几个月将2万美元投到一个网络迷因币中，现在却成了百万富翁。我祈祷所有读到这条的人都能成功。
When Boeing’s incompetent management abandons their flawed idea of building planes without FAJ’s and relying solely on datum feature locations, they might finally escape the self-inflicted crisis they’ve created. Additionally, they must compel their design engineers to work more closely with the production floor, allowing them to physically interact with their designs and gain practical experience. Unfortunately, some of these engineers never touch the planes and lack the knowledge to design functional components for production assembly. Furthermore, Boeing needs to hire more manufacturing engineers to oversee critical assembly processes and ensure that each step adheres to the installation plan and the use of appropriate tools. These engineers should then sign off on the work, and the floor manager should verify the quality before approving the job. Implementing greater accountability during production and striving for a genuine quality standard, rather than merely proclaiming intentions to improve quality, is crucial. However, their continued poor decisions and habits undermine any progress made.
当波音那群无能的管理层放弃他们那种通过省略FAJ（零件标定）仅依赖基准数据特征位置的设计理念时，也许他们才会从自己制造的危机中解脱出来。此外，他们还需要强迫设计工程师更紧密地与生产车间合作，让他们亲自接触自己的设计，积累实际经验。不幸的是，一些工程师从未接触过飞机，缺乏为生产组装设计功能性组件的知识。而且，波音需要雇佣更多的制造工程师，监督关键的装配过程，确保每个步骤都遵循安装计划，且使用适当的工具。这些工程师应该对工作进行签字确认，车间经理则需在批准工作之前验证质量。在生产过程中实施更严格的责任制，并努力追求真正的质量标准，而不仅仅是口头上宣称要提高质量，这一点至关重要。然而，他们继续做出糟糕的决策和维持不良习惯，破坏了所有进展。
真有趣，767的经理谈论777-8F时，仿佛它已经在生产并获得认证了。事实上，他们还在为777-9的认证和解决两种变体的设计生产问题而苦苦挣扎。
Thanks for the continuous upxe! I am super excited about how my stock market investment is going so far, making $22,000 weekly from trading regardless of how bad it gets on the economy
感谢持续更新！我对我的股市投资感到非常兴奋，到目前为止，我每周从交易中赚取22,000美元，无论经济状况如何糟糕。
I fly a lot, for the past 3 years I only fly Airbus 200-300s. Even though Boeing is safer than driving. It's more dangerous than Airbus.
我飞行很多，过去三年我只坐空客200-300系列飞机。虽然波音比开车更安全，但比空客还要危险。
Get rid of the people that we're once associated with McDonnell Douglas, then go from there!
去掉曾经和麦克唐纳·道格拉斯有过关联的人，然后从那里开始！
Whats the point of reusing old videos just to make it seem like a long documentary. Lazy, uncreative, to generate more add revenue, especially considering the resources CNBC has to actually produce a long video about this subject matter. For those reading this, all these segments are year old videos that has already been uploaded to YouTube
重用旧视频只是为了让它看起来像是一部长纪录片，真是懒惰、没有创意，只是为了赚取更多广告收入，尤其是考虑到CNBC有资源制作一部真正关于这个话题的长视频。给那些阅读这个的人，这些部分都是已经上传到YouTube一年的旧视频。
If you look at all the decisions that lead to this (divestment, reduced regulation, squeezing supply chain, hiring freezes, redundancies, profit first and on and on) looks like thats the DOGE plan for everything. What will be the price for that ?
如果你看看所有导致这一切的决策（撤资、减少监管、压缩供应链、招聘冻结、裁员、利润优先等等），看起来就像是DOGE计划的所有事情。最终代价会是什么？
In short, I think they can overcome anything if they embed the right culture from the top down and rid themselves of the crap that came with McNerney and Stonecipher. I don't care if its an engineer, bean counter, or lawyer or mechanic that rose from the bottom running the company. The person in charge needs to understand the people of the company and the company's spirit and not bend the knee to the bottom line.
简而言之，我认为他们可以克服任何困难，只要他们从上到下建立正确的文化，并清除那些麦克纳尼和斯通塞弗带来的糟糕东西。我不在乎是工程师、会计、律师还是从基层升上来的机械师来领导公司，重要的是领导人必须了解公司的员工和精神，而不是向底线低头。
NBC can put out good content when it isnt focused on a politicsl bias. Too bad their daily news isnt like this.
当NBC不专注于政治偏见时，它能发布好的内容。可惜它们的日常新闻不是这样的。
No one is going to fly for four years unless they are very brave or have a loose grip on survival, that should take car of Boeing.
如果有人能飞四年，那他们要么非常勇敢，要么对生存的把握很松，那应该就能解决波音的问题。
DO NOT WORRY!Taiwan's largest carrier(China Airlines) said on December 20, 2024, it would buy 10 Boeing 777-9 aircraft .
Taiwan is doing his best to buy US products. face-blue-smiling
不用担心！台湾（地区）最大航空公司（中华航空）在2024年12月20日表示，将购买10架波音777-9飞机。台湾（地区）正在尽力购买美国产品。
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I have been buying Boeing stocks, hoping they have hit bottom dead center and are on their way back up. It also doesn't hurt that I suspect the government wouldn't allow them to fail. Time will tell...
我一直在买波音股票，希望它们已经触底并开始回升。也没什么坏处，我怀疑政府不会允许它们倒闭。时间会告诉我们答案……
Is there any better analogy for the true cause of American decline? The shift from innovation and quality to purely financial decisions led to substandard outcomes. I’m surprised Boeing hasn’t blamed immigrants and chicks
还有什么比这更能反映美国衰退的真正原因呢？从创新和质量的转变到纯粹的财务决策，导致了低劣的结果。我很惊讶波音还没有把锅甩给移民和女性。
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A company that murders its former employee whistleblowers. Nevermind prioritizing profits over human safety
一家杀害前员工举报人的公司，更不用提把利润放在安全之上了。
After all many incident i more suprised boeing still allowed to sell planes, high paid lobbiest hard at work!?
经历了那么多事故，我更惊讶的是波音仍然允许销售飞机，花钱的游说者真是很努力！