印度网友的困扰：翻谁的牌子好呢？Su-57和F-35在2025年印度航空展上同时出现
Russia's Su-57 and America's F-35 Face Off at Aero India 2025 | Vantage with Palki Sharma | N18G
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印度航空 2025 已在班加罗尔的 Yelahanka 空军基地拉开帷幕。该活动的主要看点是来自俄罗斯和美国的第五代战斗机之间的对峙。F-35 还是 Su-57，印度倾向于哪条路？Palki Sharma 告诉你。
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Aero India 2025 has kicked off at Bengaluru's Yelahanka air base. The main attraction at the event is the faceoff between fifth generation fighter jets from Russia and America. F-35 or Su-57, which way is India leaning? Palki Sharma tells you.
印度航空 2025 已在班加罗尔的 Yelahanka 空军基地拉开帷幕。该活动的主要看点是来自俄罗斯和美国的第五代战斗机之间的对峙。F-35 还是 Su-57，印度倾向于哪条路？Palki Sharma 告诉你。
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印度航空 2025 已在班加罗尔的 Yelahanka 空军基地拉开帷幕。该活动的主要看点是来自俄罗斯和美国的第五代战斗机之间的对峙。F-35 还是 Su-57，印度倾向于哪条路？Palki Sharma 告诉你。
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I think india must go for russian su-57 fighters since amrican fighters has many if and buts
我认为印度必须选择俄罗斯的苏-57战斗机，因为美国的战斗机存在许多不确定因素。
Yup. Since india got S-400, many features on F35 will be missing or sanctioned or they might withdraw at the final moment. Wasting time.
是的。由于印度已经获得了S-400，F-35的许多功能将会缺失或受到制裁，或者他们可能会在最后一刻撤回，浪费时间。
Sanctions
制裁
CAATSA
《反对美国敌人制裁法案》
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@Highwhyman19 but since trump is there so maybe he might not put CATSAA on India?
但是由于特朗普在位，也许他不会对印度实施《反对美国敌人制裁法案》？
Why don't you do this, ask thr Chinese who recently seen the SU57 at their airshow.. they are more pro-russiaNa-Z than US.. this way you cannot say "manipulated" "western propaganda"
为什么不这样做，去问问最近在中国的航展上看到苏-57的中国人，他们比美国更亲俄...这样你就不能说“被操控”或者“西方宣传”了。
The su-57 is obsolete. I'm not sure it can even match up to Chinese fighters.
苏-57已经过时了。我不确定它能否与中国的战斗机匹敌。
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@Pain-zd5uo the state already passes the bill, this decision is made by senators, backed and reviewed by Congress, it's not entirely up to the current president. There's a lot of heat on Trump Rn I doubt that he would revert this bill.
这个法案已经通过了，这个决定是由参议员做出的，并且得到了国会的支持和审查，不能完全由现任总统决定。特朗普目前面临很大的压力，我怀疑他会撤销这个法案。
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@distinctga5811 come out from toilat plz its hurting u badly
请从厕所里出来，它正在严重伤害你。
@frostwing9046 Forget about F-35 since they are very good but very expensive. Get the SU-57, it's cheaper.
忘了F-35吧，虽然它们非常好，但也非常贵。买苏-57吧，它更便宜。
Remember that Turkey got eliminated from the F-35 program when they acquired the S-400.
记住，土耳其在获得S-400后被排除在F-35计划之外。
@Highwhyman19 I seriously hate the US. I don't know ehy the hell would they wanna interfere in other country's business.
I think buying Su57 is good coz Russia is willing to provide license for production in India (which will make procuring the jets faster and cheaper). Plus, there will be some cool tech transfers to India which can further help India in strengthening it's own 5th gen program in the future.
Now about the F35, it may be a superior jet as ppl say but F35 will be offered to India with certain strings and conditions attached.
It's hella expensive as the US won't allow to produce them locally. They will make India fully dependent on the US for spare parts which is not a good idea.
So going for the Su57 Felon is the best deal overall. Even chatgpt suggests buying Su57 lM.
我真心讨厌美国。我不知道他们为什么要干涉其他国家的事务。
我认为购买苏-57是个好选择，因为俄罗斯愿意在印度提供生产许可证（这将使得采购战斗机更快更便宜）。而且，还会有一些很酷的技术转让给印度，这可以进一步帮助印度在未来加强其自己的第五代战斗机项目。
现在说到F-35，它可能是人们说的那种优越战斗机，但F-35会附带一些条件和要求出售给印度。
它非常昂贵，因为美国不允许在印度本地生产。它们将让印度完全依赖美国来提供备件，这不是一个好主意。
因此，选择苏-57是最好的选择。甚至ChatGPT也建议购买苏-57，哈哈。
India needs to buy BRICS
印度需要购买金砖国家的产品
@distinctga5811An obsolete mind sees everything as obsolete.
一颗过时的心会把一切都看作过时的。
Yeah, especially the "but F-35 is sold only to US military allies".
是的，特别是“但是F-35只卖给美国的军事盟友”这一点。
Chinese J-35
中国歼-35
@ruZsiaNa-C there was no SU57 at the Chinese airshow
中国航展上没有苏-57。
@enoughofthis yes there was there were videos from the local Chinese that put it out.. hahahaha you are so stooopit that you cannot even google it to make sure if i was telling the truth
是的，有的，来自当地中国人发布的视频……哈哈哈，你真傻，居然连谷歌都不会用, 以便确认我说的是真是假。
F35 is way better. Unless Russia break off with china.
F-35要好得多，除非俄罗斯与中国断绝关系。
India should buy life for there people
印度应该为人民争取更好的生活。
@ruZsiaNa-C google is your source of truth?,lol.
谷歌是你的真理来源吗？笑。
Russia Su 57 is performing poorly in Ukraine
俄罗斯苏-57在乌克兰表现不佳。
@ruZsiaNa-Ctechnically it was just the T-50 demonstration aircraft from Sukhoi so not a full combat ready Su-57
技术上那只是苏霍伊的T-50演示机，并不是完全具备作战能力的苏-57。
@mustang5132 yeah... sure.. bring a demo aircraft to china but a real one to india where americans are there.. also the Chinese recorded it so who are you trying to convinced??
是的……当然……把一架演示机带到中国，但却把一架真正的战斗机带到印度，那里的美国人也在……而且中国人录制了视频，你到底在试图说服谁？
the trust
信任
u braindead?
They showed a prototype in China and a production model
Nevertheless, they were laughed at by the Chinese because of their backward technology
你脑袋坏了吗？
他们在中国展示了一台原型机，还有一台量产机
尽管如此，他们还是被中国人嘲笑了，因为工艺落后
The whole world has seen that the USA are not trustworthy.
全世界都看到了，美国是不值得信任的。
Aren't the F35s falling like pancakes from the sky in Alaska?
F-35难道不是像煎饼一样从阿拉斯加的天空掉下来吗？
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you're thinking like an ignoramus. fake account
你想得真是个无知的人。假账户。
2/3 of Americans f 35 are not even fight ready. They suck and keep crashing. One of them Russian jets scares me just by the sound it makes flying by.
三分之二的美国F-35甚至没有作战能力。它们糟糕且不断坠毁。俄罗斯的战斗机飞过时发出的声音就让我害怕。
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@ScamArtist-x7h Russia su 57 can take more weapons with stealth future
俄罗斯苏-57具有更强的隐身能力，能够搭载更多武器。
SU-57 is a beautiful and high-performance fighter jet. The F-35 is a good single engine fighter jet that does its job.
苏-57是一款美丽且高性能的战斗机。F-35是一款性能优秀的单引擎战斗机，能完成其任务。
I guess both have their own pros and cons
我猜两者都有各自的优缺点。
SU-57 is way cheaper
苏-57便宜得多。
Even usa experts been saying since many years that f35 is way too expensive. Also f35 is not a solo project by usa rather others are involved in r&d.
甚至美国专家多年一直说F-35过于昂贵。而且F-35并不是美国单独研发的项目，其他国家也参与了研发。
The su 57 cheaper chines style
苏-57是便宜的中国风格。
No east no west self made is the best and this should be the ultimate goal.
不分东方西方，自主制造才是最好的，这应该是最终目标。
Alhamdulillah, exactly brother
感谢真主，完全正确，兄弟。
By the time india will introduce 5th gen fighter jets. World would have already moved on to 7th or 8th gen
等到印度引进第五代战斗机时，世界可能已经进入第七代或第八代战斗机时代了。
Yes
是的。
@GurpreetSingh-bg7yi also china nd pak will customise their airforce fleet with partnerships. So we need an ardent aircraft
而且中国和巴基斯坦将通过合作定制他们的空军舰队。所以我们需要一款强有力的战机。
True mr Khan. We need our people united and we will achieve it.
没错，Khan先生。我们需要团结人民，才能实现目标。
India should go for Su - 57
印度应该选择苏-57。
Maybe India should buy from kim Jong un
也许印度应该从金正恩那里购买。
Nah , Tejas is the best.
不，光辉是最好的。
Russia are backstabbing india over china
俄罗斯在中国问题上背叛了印度。
Even China mocked the Su-57 during the last year airshow in china.
甚至中国在去年的航展上嘲笑了苏-57。
India would have to wait for 30 years til Russia can even afford to build them to sell them
印度得等30年，直到俄罗斯有能力建造并出售这些战斗机。
Tejas is the best
光辉是最好的。
SU-57 for india. Yes people
苏-57适合印度。是的，大家。
Bcz this jet is t 50 in demo@night8285
因为这架战斗机是T-50演示机。
I don't know where you got this information from. China has a strong recognition of Shu 57 for close combat
我不知道你从哪里得到的信息。中国对苏-57在近战中的表现非常认可。
...but Russia is not accepting indian currency, so pay in Chinese yuan...
...但是俄罗斯不接受印度货币，所以用人民币支付吧。
Their budget is more in the P-51 range
他们的预算更接近P-51级别。
American 5th generation fighter jets might have "kill switch" . India should buy Russian fighter jets.
美国的第五代战斗机可能有“自毁开关”。印度应该购买俄罗斯的战斗机。
Ok “pelane “ expert..dont u think they can do that with every single technology they owe
好吧，“专家”，你难道不认为他们可以用所有技术做到这一点吗？
Wow, good work guys. Keep it up. following your channel from Africa
哇，干得好，伙计们。继续加油。我来自非洲，关注你们的频道。
India should develop their own jet engine also. We can't always buy from outside everytime. Tejas is good but engine is foreign.
印度也应该研发自己的飞机发动机。我们不能每次都从外面购买。光辉很好，但发动机是外国的。
Anyway that Aero India 2025 showcasing is going great with two big players su 57 & f35 placed so close to each other
无论如何，2025年印度航展展示非常棒，苏-57和F-35这两大玩家被放得如此之近。
I’m an American and I’m hard headed but man these are 2 beautiful jets I love seeing these types of face off it’s amazing
我是美国人，虽然我很固执，但这些真是两款美丽的战斗机，我喜欢看到这种对决，太精彩了。
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Sell Tejas ? Are you kidding, you don’t have enough engine for Indian order
出售光辉？你在开玩笑吗，你们根本没有足够的发动机来满足印度的订单
That's right... HAL is not even able to fulfill IAF demands...let alone international orders..
没错……HAL连印度空军的需求都无法满足，更不用说国际订单了……
@ankurag8056 because usa has denied to deliver jet engines.
因为美国拒绝交付喷气发动机。
@prajwalbharambe343so why aren't they making their own engines?
那么他们为什么不自己生产发动机呢？
Fun Fact about Russia: It was Russia who saved The unx during the American Civil War as they sent their Navy to San Francisco and New York when England and France were just about to enter the war on the side of the Confederates since London created the Confederates. France was already in Mexico making a spear head movement to resupply the Confederates and to open up a Pacific Theatre and to create a port in California. England already amassed 11,000 troops and growing stationed at their Northern Confederacies border now called Canada ready to open a Northern Theatre to divert unx troops away from their Southern Confederacy then to attack The unxs naval blockade. The unx would have been completely destroyed and annexed by those two great powers leaving the Confederates to exist as either a puppet state of London or to be fully brought back into the fold of the British Empire.
关于俄罗斯的有趣事实：正是俄罗斯在美国内战期间拯救了美国联邦，因为当时英格兰和法国即将站在南方联盟一边参战时，俄罗斯派遣了他们的海军前往旧金山和纽约。
南方联盟是由伦敦所创建的。法国已经在墨西哥展开了一项先锋行动，重新补给南方联盟，并在加利福尼亚建立一个太平洋战区的港口。
英格兰已经在其北部南方联盟边境（如今的加拿大）驻扎了11,000名部队，并且准备开启北方战区，转移联邦军队的注意力，从而攻击联邦的海上封锁。
否则，联邦将被这两个大国完全摧毁并吞并，南方联盟将变成伦敦的傀儡国家，或者完全重新回归英国帝国的怀抱。
There is also a memorial in San Francisco for the hundreds of Russian sailors who came off their Asiatic fleet ships that died while helping the city put out a fire that threatened to lay waste to it during the War.
旧金山也有一座纪念碑，纪念那些来自亚洲舰队的俄罗斯水手，他们在帮助城市扑灭一场大火时牺牲，这场火灾威胁着将城市毁灭。
The Russian fleet also threatened to Shell Australian ports along with other British Pacific Colonies if Britain aided the Confederates. A confederate war ship spent a lot of time in Australian waters and was supported by the Australian public, some even signing on as crew members. This Confederate war ship laid waist to the US Pacific whaling fleet and is reported to have fired the last shot in the war. The name of the ship was called the CSS Shenandoah. Its surrender was at Liverpool England where Confederate Commander Bulloch was stationed.
俄罗斯舰队还威胁要轰击澳大利亚港口以及其他英国太平洋殖民地，如果英国援助南方联盟。一艘南方联盟的军舰在澳大利亚水域停留了很长时间，并得到了澳大利亚民众的支持，有些人甚至加入了船员。
这艘南方联盟军舰摧毁了美国太平洋捕鲸舰队，并据报道打响了战争中的最后一炮。这艘船的名字是CSS Shenandoah。它在英格兰利物浦投降，当时南方联盟指挥官Bulloch驻扎在那里。
Very informative. Thx the history lesson.
非常有信息量，谢谢你的历史课。
What BS... russiaNa-Z is so far away and the war was predominantly in the east.. russiaNa-Z navy barely exist in the east of russiaNa-Z.. why would they even care about american problem?
真是胡说八道……俄罗斯距离如此遥远，而且战争主要发生在东部……俄罗斯在俄罗斯东部的海军几乎不存在……他们为什么会关心美国的问题呢？
@JPJ432now you add australia which is super far from russiaNa-Z.. all your stuff arw fake
现在你又提到澳大利亚，这离俄罗斯也远得离谱……你说的都是假的。
@richi2831yoy actually believe him?? russiaNa-Z is not known for navy and all of a sudden they want to take om great britain, which at that time has the most formidable navy?? Also this guy said "went to australia" yeah right. russiaNa-Z navy won't even survive half way to australia
你真信他说的吗？？俄罗斯从来不以海军闻名，突然间他们想去挑战当时拥有最强大海军的英国？？还有这个人说“去了澳大利亚”，说得好像是真的。俄罗斯海军连到澳大利亚一半的路程都无法撑过去。
@ruZsiaNa-C noob go play your fantasy games and watch fantasy movies like top gun, captain america. And stay out of reality!
小白去玩你的幻想游戏，看看像《壮志凌云》、《美国队长》这样的幻想电影吧，别再搞错现实了！
@ruZsiaNa-CRussia never interfered in the American revolution they stayed neutral and for the civil war Russia stayed neutral but keep their warships in Americans harbors as a deterrent to British and France incase of interference because Russia did favor the unx but did nothing to get involved.
俄罗斯从未干预美国革命，他们保持中立。在美国内战期间，俄罗斯也保持中立，但他们将战舰停留在美国港口，以防止英国和法国干预，因为俄罗斯确实支持联邦，但没有参与其中。
@rogersanthony1 why are you telling me this? Tell it to the guy who wrote the main comment he is full of SНlT
为什么要告诉我这些？告诉写主评论的人，他满嘴胡说。
Frm America, thx for that Rooski's.
来自美国，谢谢俄罗斯人。
@deezy818n2 I think you will enjoy this quote from the Russian Foreign Minister Alexander Gorchakov writing to Lincoln in the Autumn of 1862 a year and a half into the war-
"You know that the government of United States has few friends among the Powers. England rejoices over what is happening to you; she longs and prays for your overthrow. France is less actively hostile; her interests would be less affected by the result; but she is not unwilling to see it. She is not your friend. Your situation is getting worse and worse. The chances of preserving the unx are growing more desperate. Can nothing be done to stop this dreadful war? The hope of reunx is growing less and less, and I wish to impress upon your government that the separation, which I fear must come, will be considered by Russia as one of the greatest misfortunes. Russia alone, has stood by you from the first, and will continue to stand by you. We are very, very anxious that some means should be adopted-that any course should be pursued-which will prevent the division which now seems inevitable. One separation will be followed by another; you will break into fragments."
我想你会喜欢这段来自俄罗斯外交部长亚历山大·戈尔恰科夫在1862年秋季写给林肯的信，战争已经进行了一个半年：
“你知道，美国政府在各大国中几乎没有朋友。英格兰为你们现在的困境感到高兴；他们渴望并祈祷着你们的失败。法国虽然没有积极敌对，但她的利益不会受到太大影响；
她并不排斥看到这一结果。她不是你们的朋友。你们的处境越来越糟。保住联邦的机会越来越渺茫。难道就没有办法停止这场可怕的战争吗？
重建的希望越来越小，我想告诉你们的政府，分裂，我恐怕是不可避免的，将被俄罗斯视为最大的不幸。
只有俄罗斯，从一开始就站在你们这边，并且将继续支持你们。我们非常非常希望能够采取一些措施，采取任何行动，来防止这种看似不可避免的分裂。
一次分裂将会引发另一次；你们将四分五裂。”
@richi2831 Here is another quote I think you will like but from Tsar Alexander II in an Interview after the war-
"In the Autumn of 1862, the governments of France and Great Britain proposed to Russia, in a formal but not in an official way, the joint recognition by European powers of the independence of the Confederate States of America. My immediate answer was: "I will not cooperate in such action; and I will not acquiesce. On the contrary, I shall accept the recognition of the independence of the Confederate States by France and Great Britain as a casus belli for Russia. And in order that the governments of France and Great Britain may understand that this is no idle threat; I will send a Pacific fleet to San Francisco and an Atlantic fleet to New York."
这里有另一段我认为你会喜欢的引用，来自战后沙皇亚历山大二世在一次采访中的话：
“在1862年秋季，法国和英国政府以正式但非官方的方式向俄罗斯提议，欧洲大国联合承认南方联盟的独立。
我的立刻回应是：‘我不会参与此类行动；我不会同意。相反，我将视法国和英国承认南方联盟独立为俄罗斯的宣战理由。
为了让法国和英国政府明白这不是空洞的威胁，我将派遣一支太平洋舰队前往旧金山，一支大西洋舰队前往纽约。’”
@JPJ432 I did enjoy that, I always love learning about history. Here's hoping that our countries will be amicable again one day.
我确实喜欢这个，我一直喜欢学习历史。希望我们的国家有一天能够重新友好相处。
Yep. The USA were really good allies with Russia early on, pretty mich solely because we both did not like the UK. Then they turned into the USSR and inflicted horrible atrocities onto the world and removed rights from neighboring countries. Now Com...ism failed and they are a corrupt state locked in a pointless illegal war.
是的。美国早期与俄罗斯是非常好的盟友，几乎完全是因为我们都不喜欢英国。后来他们变成了苏联，对世界犯下了可怕的暴行，剥夺了邻国的权利。现在GCZY失败了，他们是一个腐败的国家，陷入了一个毫无意义的非法战争中。
..I love Russian self- sufficiency!!!
..我喜欢俄罗斯的自给自足！！！
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@godwinchike8737 is that why they begged north korea for troops, china for more equipment, iran for ballistic missile and shahed??
这就是为什么他们向北朝鲜求援兵力，向中国求援更多设备，向伊朗求购弹道导弹和无人机吗？？
Self sufficiency Putin please HELP us MR KIM we’re getting smashed by Ukraine
自给自足，普京先生，请帮帮我们，金正恩先生，我们正被乌克兰打得落花流水
@ruZsiaNa-CHe’s delusional
他是个幻想者
There is no such thing as self-sufficiency.
根本没有什么自给自足。
India brought French Rafale at inflated price so of course both would want India as customer.
印度以高价购买了法国的“阵风”战斗机，所以当然双方都会希望印度成为他们的客户。
wow, impressive military officers. They're aged already but can still fly.
哇，令人印象深刻的军人。他们已经年纪很大了，但仍然能飞。
last week f35 crash.....high quality
上周F-35坠机……高质量。
F-35 is an expensive fighter jet to manufacture and maintain
Su-57 is struggling with supply chain issues due to economic sanctions from USA and European unx
F-35是制造和维护成本很高的战斗机。
Su-57由于美国和欧盟的经济制裁，正面临供应链问题。
When India comes with it's own 5th gen fighter, US, Russia and China comes with 6th Gen fighters!
当印度推出自己研发的5代战机时，美国、俄罗斯和中国都已经推出了6代战机！
Then what ?
India is still a developing nation . All of them are already developed.
那又怎么样？
印度仍然是一个发展中国家。它们都已经是发达国家了。
*Sorry, you had a typo, when India delivers its 5th Gen fighter, Russia & China will be on 9th Gen!*
*抱歉，你打错字了，当印度交付它的5代战机时，俄罗斯和中国将进入9代战机时代！*
Yes you are right , it is still the largest 3rd world country and it can't be the leader of the global south .
是的，你说得对，印度仍然是最大的发展中国家，无法成为全球南方的领导者。
@user-t5us9qnwIndia is a developing nation acting like a superpower. While China is already a superpower but still focuses on development.
印度是一个发展中国家，却表现得像一个超级大国。而中国已经是超级大国，但仍然专注于发展。
India only got its independence in 2014..11 years of independence..patience grasshoper
印度直到2014年才获得独立……独立了11年……耐心点，小蚂蚱。
Such ignorance , all whatsapp university?
如此无知，都是来自“WhatsApp大学”的吗？
Or where you born after 2014, how has the current government made your life any better?
或者你是2014年后出生的吗？现政府怎么让你的生活变得更好？
OK for Russia and US but CHINA.. In last air show china's 5th gen performed badly. We can even see its cockpit caught in fire even before take-off. Its fighter jet never proved in fight. Lots of doubts on j20 engine performance. You can see detailed analysis in YT by US airman.
俄罗斯和美国可以理解，但中国……在上次航展中，中国的5代战机表现糟糕。我们甚至可以看到它的驾驶舱在起飞前就着火了。它的战斗机从未在战斗中得到验证。对于J-20发动机性能有很多疑问。你可以在YouTube上看到美国飞行员的详细分析。
Indian AMCA is going to be a 6+ generation fighter plane.
印度的AMCA将是一款6代以上的战斗机。
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Nowadays when people talk about AirPower they like to compare China and the US. But most people forgot that the US 5th gen F-22 was in production before China’s 4th gen J-10. Which means at one point China was 2 full generations behind the US. India’s Tejas program was launched in the same year as J-10. And India purchased Russian Su-30 just like China. The difference is India gave all the resources to HAL, while China wisely split between two competing companies. Because of that Chengdu’s J-10 finished ahead of time and it moved onto 5th gen J-20, and now the 6th gen J-36. Meanwhile Shenyang learned so much maintaining the Flankers that it soon produces its own Flanker clones. And then it produced the 5th gen J-35, and successfully test flighted its own 6th gen J-50 the same week as Chengdu’s J-36. Talk about neck to neck, China vs China competition. Meanwhile the US is still working on its 6th gen fighter PowerPoint, and HAL is still stuck on the Tejas.
如今，当人们谈论空中力量时，他们喜欢比较中国和美国。但大多数人忘记了，美国的5代F-22在中国的4代J-10之前就开始量产了。这意味着，中国曾经落后美国两代。
印度的光辉计划与J-10在同一年启动，印度也购买了俄罗斯的Su-30，就像中国一样。
不同的是，印度将所有资源投入到HAL（印度斯坦航空公司），而中国则明智地将资源分配给两家竞争公司。
正因为如此，成都的J-10提前完成，并且转向了5代J-20，现在又发展到了6代J-36。
与此同时，沈阳通过维护侧卫学习了很多，迅速生产了自己的侧卫克隆机。
然后，它生产了5代J-35，并在同一周成功试飞了自己的6代J-50，几乎与成都的J-36同一时间。
这简直是中国内部的激烈竞争。与此同时，美国还在制作它的6代战斗机的PPT，而HAL仍然被光辉困住。
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@porcellian Chinese products are not reliable at all .. USA is far ahead of u guys
U guys have no match for them , first make reliable product
中国的产品一点也不可靠……美国远远领先你们
你们根本无法与他们匹敌，先做出可靠的产品再说。
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@fallonmassey4714 well not this time as engine will be indigenously made not dependent on foreign supply which is actually causing the current delay in tejas delivery
这次不一样，发动机将是国产的，不再依赖外部供应，这实际上导致了光辉交付的延迟。
India on the rise
印度正在崛起
@porcellian yeah this time three agencies are involved in making one 5th gen engine becoz they don't have the expertise in such advanced engine till now.. but once it's ready.. the next generation jets will be a piece of cake..
是的，这次有三家机构参与制造一个5代发动机，因为他们到目前为止还没有这类先进发动机的专业技术……但是一旦发动机准备好了，下一代战机将会变得轻松得多。
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@porcellian The issue of India is only bureaucratic and not technology related. why China is still lagging in jet engine development. think about it. so many videos came in youtube on that. There is no magic want to get a fighter Jet engine. you need to build and impoverish it to make a success.
印度的问题仅仅是官僚主义的，而不是技术上的。为什么中国在喷气发动机开发上仍然落后呢？想想看。YouTube上有很多关于这方面的视频。没有什么魔法能让你获得一款战斗机发动机。你需要开发并精细化它，才能取得成功。
Lol what India has already developed 5th gen and prolly working on 6th gen secretly right now. The problem with delays is not really the tech procuring issues but the bureaucracy.
笑死了，印度已经开发了5代战机，可能现在正在秘密研发6代战机。延迟的问题其实不是技术采购问题，而是官僚主义。
@Pain-zd5uo Keep laughing thats what you guys are good at. what ever you make it should be battle ready and battle tested. Let us see which one is better in coming years.
继续笑吧，那是你们擅长的。无论你们做什么，都应该是战斗准备充分且经过战斗验证的。让我们看看未来几年哪个更好。
@krishna_Bharath did you even read my comment properly? I'm supporting India.
你到底有没有认真读我的评论？我是在支持印度。
@SuperImbadude
Blame the com...sts. Or maybe some JNU faculty and students. They used to shout "Yeh azadi jhoota hai."They stopped after Modi called them "andolanjeevis."I think keyair must have factored this into jis post.
怪罪***吧。或者怪怪某些JNU的教职工和学生。他们曾经喊过“这自由是假的”。在莫迪称他们为“运动分子”后，他们停止了。我想keyair肯定考虑到了这一点。 (***政党或名字 上下同)
Actually J-20's WS-15 engines have a trust to weight ration of 11.5+, which is superior to F-22's F119 engines. And J-20 also has superior radars, avionics, stealth coatings, and missiles. But that's besides the point. India's primary problem is mentality. Physically India got independence in 1947, but mentally India still behaves like colony. The smartest Indians take pride in moving to White men's countries, work for White men's companies. Why not stay behind and build world class Indian companies? Instead of buying the White folks jets, why not build your own? Why not build even more advanced jets than the White folks?
其实，J-20的WS-15发动机的推重比超过11.5，优于F-22的F119发动机。而且J-20还拥有更先进的雷达、航空电子设备、隐形涂层和导弹。
但这不是重点。印度的主要问题是心态。印度在1947年取得了独立，但在心态上，印度依然表现得像一个殖民地。最聪明的印度人以移居到白人国家、为白人公司的工作而自豪。
为什么不留在本国，建立世界一流的印度公司呢？为什么要购买白人的战斗机，为什么不自己造？为什么不造出比白人更先进的战斗机？
@porcellian Fist tell me how many years it took to reverse engineer the russian engine or manufacture a own engine? i know china is doing this for the last 15~10 years. Also How many wars does this J20 fought till now? There was a report that SU30 MKI is able to spot the J20 stealth over Ti.... so you can keep trumpeting your achievements but it needs to be proved in the battle field. we are in process of building or collaborating with countries that has technical knowhow. we dont steal other technologies or reverse engineer without their consent. will the same Western countries share the technology with china?
首先告诉我，俄罗斯的发动机反向工程或者自制发动机花了多少年时间？我知道中国已经在做这个已经有15到10年了。还有，这架J-20至今参加了多少次战争？
有报道称，苏-30MKI能够在西藏发现J-20的隐身特性。所以你可以继续吹嘘你们的成就，但这些必须在战场上得到验证。
我们正在与拥有技术专长的国家合作或者共同研发。我们不偷别国的技术，也不会在未经他们同意的情况下反向工程。那些西方国家会与中国分享技术吗？
@krishna_Bharath you proved my point that in Indian's minds Western = superiority. Su-30 has to have superior situation awareness than J-20 because of the belief in White superiority. Never mind the fact that Su-30 only has PESA radar and much larger RCS, while J-20 has much more advanced GaN radar and much smaller RCS. And if a non-White country develops something nice, it has to be stolen. Never mind the fact that no White country has produced a 6th gen fighter yet. As I mentioned earlier, Tejas was started in the same year as J-10. While J-10 has evolved into J-20 and recently the 6th gen J-36, Tejas remain stuck in 4th gen. Why? Because Indians don't believe in the idea that Colored people can reach the top, mentally they are stuck in colonel era.
你证明了我的观点，在印度人看来，西方＝优越。由于对白人优越性的信仰，苏-30的情境意识必须比J-20更强。尽管苏-30只有PESA雷达，RCS也更大，而J-20拥有更先进的GaN雷达和更小的RCS。并且如果一个非白人国家开发了什么好东西，那一定是偷的。不要忘了，没有任何白人国家生产过第六代战斗机。
正如我之前提到的，光辉是在与J-10同一年开始的。而J-10已经发展成J-20，并且最近发展出了第六代J-36，光辉依然停留在第四代。为什么？因为印度人不相信有色人种能够达到顶峰，心理上他们依然困在殖民时代。
Most likely 7th generation
很可能是第七代
@keyair123 Nobody will know your complete ignorance on facts if you don't post anything! don't act stupid !
如果你不发帖子，没人知道你对事实的完全无知！别装傻！
7Th gen... China already build 6th gen.
第七代... 中国已经制造了第六代。
@user-t5us9qnw even china was like India ..so what ?
就算中国曾经像印度一样，那又怎样？
@krishna_Bharath Losers always comfort themselves with lies that winners steal. This is Indian national character.
失败者总是用谎言安慰自己，说胜利者是偷的。这是印度的民族性格。
That's why ANCA will be 5.5gen
这就是为什么ANCA将会是5.5代。
@GAJKUMR-GORANGHATA2425 if we are lucky we will get alpha ,beta will come by 2050
如果我们幸运的话，我们会得到Alpha，Beta会在2050年出现。
90 countries taking part in this eventful air show 25 in Yalahanka air base. It facilitates to countries to buy and sell the ac of sorts. Such shows are essential for enhancement of production of AC of different versions
90个国家参加了这个意义重大的航展，其中25个国家在亚拉汉卡空军基地参展。它为各国提供了购买和出售各种飞机的机会。这样的展会对于提升不同版本飞机的生产至关重要。
If I were a president of a country, I will pick Russia and its product. No more hassle and is also very reliable and affordable.
如果我是一个国家的总统，我会选择俄罗斯及其产品。没有那么多麻烦，而且非常可靠和经济实惠。
Spectacular manifest...
壮观的表现...
India must go for both russia as well amrican fighter under make in india program so that india can Ballance between both during having both the technology
印度必须在“印度制造”计划下选择俄罗斯和美国的战斗机，这样印度可以在拥有两种技术的情况下保持平衡。
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USA not giving technology .
美国不提供技术。
They can't have both technology. If technology transfers will happen, it will be with the Russians. Stop dreaming
他们不能同时拥有两种技术。如果技术转让发生，它将与俄罗斯进行。别做梦了。
And no one will sell to India .
而且没人会卖给印度。
@cashcash5995 duffer all is ready to sell not sell also ready to transfer technology .. plz come out from stinking toilat u are right now
傻瓜，所有人都准备好出售了，即使不卖也准备好转让技术……请从你现在待的臭厕所里出来。
@cashcash5995 they why they are displaying in india if they don't wanna sell
那如果他们不想卖，为什么要在印度展示？
... better go and beg China J 10 Jet fighter...
...最好去向中国求购歼-10战斗机...
F35 is the badass... the best best technology...100% no doubt...
F-35是最牛的…最好的技术…100%没错…
every year f35 are falling in the ground while conducting air show or military exercises
每年F-35在进行航展或军事演习时都会坠落。
No doubt about it
毫无疑问
F35 can be controlled directly from the US
F-35可以直接由美国控制。
All the best, INDIA
祝印度一切顺利
All the best? all the worest!
祝顺利？全是灾难！
All the shit, INDIA
全是垃圾，印度
Both Su57 and F35 is needed for India
印度需要苏-57和F-35两款战斗机。
Wow amazing
哇，太棒了
SU-57 all the way.
一路支持苏-57。
Su 57 is not 5th gen and is not stealth... but its very good looking
苏-57不是第五代战斗机，也不是隐形战机……但它外形非常好看。
@AndrewMcFarlane_1 judging by its reliability the su57 is agreeably a 5/6 generation ; while the self-induced crushing f35 is still a combat-incompetent & expensive prototype & simulation
从可靠性来看，苏-57无疑是第五/第六代战斗机；而自毁的F-35仍然是一个作战能力差、昂贵的原型机和模拟机。