美国的STEM危机：中国培养的博士数量翻倍，而我们却在阻碍人才
AMERICA'S STEM CRISIS: CHINA DOUBLES PHD OUTPUT WHILE WE BLOCK TALENT
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中国培养的STEM博士数量是美国的两倍，而我们却拒绝了89%的H1B签证（特殊专业人员/临时工作签证）申请。
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Mario Nawfal
AMERICA'S STEM CRISIS: CHINA DOUBLES PHD OUTPUT WHILE WE BLOCK TALENT
美国的STEM（科学，技术，工程，数学）危机：中国培养的博士数量翻倍，而我们却在阻碍人才
The math is brutal: China's producing twice as many STEM PhDs as America, while we reject 89% of H1B visa applications.
算起来有点残酷：中国培养的STEM博士数量是美国的两倍，而我们却拒绝了89%的H1B签证（特殊专业人员/临时工作签证）申请。
算起来有点残酷：中国培养的STEM博士数量是美国的两倍，而我们却拒绝了89%的H1B签证（特殊专业人员/临时工作签证）申请。
Meanwhile, U.S. teen math scores just hit their lowest since the 1970s, and our semiconductor industry faces a 300,000-engineer shortage by 2030.
与此同时，美国青少年的数学成绩刚刚跌到了20世纪70年代以来的最低水平，到2030年，我们的半导体产业将面临短缺30万名工程师的问题。
与此同时，美国青少年的数学成绩刚刚跌到了20世纪70年代以来的最低水平，到2030年，我们的半导体产业将面临短缺30万名工程师的问题。
The irony? 45% of U.S. STEM doctorates are earned by foreigners who often can't stay here.
这是不是很有讽刺意味？美国45%的STEM博士学位，都是由那些通常不能留在美国的外国人获得的。
这是不是很有讽刺意味？美国45%的STEM博士学位，都是由那些通常不能留在美国的外国人获得的。
Instead of keeping this talent, we're forcing them home to competitors like China, which just doubled down on tech education.
我们没能留住这些人才，反而迫使他们回到像中国这样的竞争对手那里，而中国最近还加大了科技教育方面的投入。
我们没能留住这些人才，反而迫使他们回到像中国这样的竞争对手那里，而中国最近还加大了科技教育方面的投入。
Maybe it's time for another Sputnik moment—before China's STEM supremacy becomes our tech industry's sunset.
也许在中国的STEM霸权让我们的科技产业成为夕阳产业之前，是时候迎来另一个斯普特尼克时刻了。
（斯普特尼克时刻：苏联发射第一颗人造地球卫星-斯普特尼克1号，击败美国率先进入太空。美国认识到自己受到威胁和挑战。）
也许在中国的STEM霸权让我们的科技产业成为夕阳产业之前，是时候迎来另一个斯普特尼克时刻了。
（斯普特尼克时刻：苏联发射第一颗人造地球卫星-斯普特尼克1号，击败美国率先进入太空。美国认识到自己受到威胁和挑战。）
Source: NAEP Data, Fortune
资料来源：《财富》杂志，美国国家教育进展评估数据。
资料来源：《财富》杂志，美国国家教育进展评估数据。
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If we make American kids do Asian curriculum/structure, our American kids might struggle. Asian parents make their kids study all day if they have to and are expected to be successful.
如果我们让美国孩子学习亚洲那套课程/体系，我们美国的孩子可能会很吃力。如果有必要的话，亚洲的父母会让他们的孩子学习一整天，并希望他们能取得成功。
Asian household expectations are very high to be honest.
说实话，亚洲家庭对孩子的期望值非常高。
Typical American Household dont prioritize STEM in their household. Asian household however make their kids go do extra math and science classes and tutoring and do homework while other kids go to the park and play. all about how you were raised and influenced into by parents
典型的美国家庭并不会优先考虑STEM专业。然而，亚洲家庭会送他们的孩子去上额外的数学和科学补习班，还要辅导做作业，而其他小孩则会去公园玩耍。这一切都与父母如何抚养和影响子女息息相关。
I'm not for infinity immigration but here's the thing native westerners are not reproducing and they're not studying.
我并不支持无限制的移民，但事情是这样的，当地西方人既没有生育，也没有努力学习。
The next propaganda piece should be about how Iran is outpacing America in STEM education
下一篇宣传文章应该是关于伊朗如何在STEM教育领域超过美国的。
Are universities accepting these foreign students because they test higher or because they don't need scholarships or grants & they pay full tuition? If the latter, maybe it's time to start supporting universities at the federal level again.
大学招收这些国际学生，是因为他们考试成绩更好，还是因为他们无需奖学金或助学金，而且全额支付学费？如果是后者，那也许是时候重新开始从联邦层面上支持大学了。
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It’s the $$ Their country pays Its been like this for at least 50 year’s American Universities are proud of educating the world
这是由他们国家出的钱。这种情况至少有50年了，美国大学一直以教育世界为荣。
We dont have time for those racist things! We need to teach gender fluidity and that speech is violence, that white people, especially the males are the root of all evil! How can we fit that useless stuff in?
我们没时间搞那些种族主义的事情！我们需要教授性别的流动性、语言就是暴力等议题，还有白人，尤其男性才是万恶之源！我们怎么把这些无用的东西灌输进去呢？
How many of China’s talent is imported?
有多少中国的人才是引进的？
Why have there been half a million tech layoffs in the last 3 years if that’s true?
如果这是真的，那为什么在过去的三年里解雇了50万技术人员呢？
Because the workers wanted salaries that keep up with inflation. They have student loans to repay.
因为工薪阶层希望工资能够跟上通货膨胀。他们还得偿还学生贷款。
America is just a factory for silicon valley now, it doesn't matter what country you're from
现在美国只不过是硅谷的工厂，不管你来自哪个国家。
So fix the education system and have an 8 year time limit on this proposal.
所以赶紧修复教育系统吧，并且对这个提案设定8年的时间限制。
America First means putting Americans first, If there’s a problem with our culture, it can’t be solved by bringing in a bunch of cow worshipping Indians
美国优先意味着要把美国人放在首位。如果我们的文化出现问题的话，仅靠引入一群崇拜牛的印度人是解决不了这个问题的。
Don't worry about that, they'll all be replaced by AI within 20 years.
放心好了，在未来的20年内，它们都会被人工智能取代掉。
Some Americans are delusional
某些美国人有妄想症。
I agree with most all of this statement except that America rejects “89%” of H1B applications. In reality lazy gov employees are probably approving more visa’s than denying. Approving a visa is easy and no one will complain. Denying takes a lot more work.
除了89%的H1B申请被美国拒签之外，我基本同意大部分观点。不过实际上懒惰的政府工作人员可能更愿意批准更多的签证，而不是拒签。因为批准签证比较容易，没有谁会抱怨。而否决则需要付出更多的工作量才能处理完毕。
U.S. doesn’t pay PhDs nearly enough which is why no American wants to go after that degree. Foreigners see it as a ticket to the U.S.
美国给博士的薪水远远不够，这就是没有美国人愿意攻读博士学位的原因。外国人却把它当成通往美国的门票。
Get real 48% of all stem graduates in the US are foreign born over 50% return to their own country There’s no room for American STEM students and you want more H1B ? Are you an American?
在美国，有48%的STEM毕业生是在国外出生的，其中超过50%的人回到了他们自己的国家，这让美国的STEM学生几乎没有空间，你还想要更多的H1B签证吗？你真的是美国人吗？
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China has 4 times as many people and it produces twice as many STEM PhDs. We are still ahead by a factor of 2. What am I missing?
中国的人口数量是美国的四倍，他们培养出来的STEM博士数量是美国的两倍。我们仍然领先两倍。我到底错过了什么？
To clarify , we are ahead by a factor of 2 per capita. And we have H1B program that China doesn’t have. We bring in many more via this program. What is the number where we’re going to say “that’s enough”.
澄清一下，在人均方面我们仍然领先两倍。我们有中国没有的H1B项目，我们通过这个项目吸引更多的优秀人才。那么，我们说的“够了” 的数字是多少呢？
We educate some of them and send them right back... we are exporting our expertise.
我们教育了他们中的一些人，然后马上把他们送回去……我们实际上是在输出我们的专业知识。
The US department of education has done a bang up job.
美国教育部做了一件很了不起的工作。
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This was a country that in WW2 turned Iowa farm boys into aircraft mechanics and Alabama sharecroppers into bomber crews. We didn’t complain our inability to import German mechanics. We just did what was needed. So what do we do now.
二战期间，这个国家把爱荷华州的农场小子培养成飞机机械师，把阿拉巴马州的佃农培养成轰炸机机组成员。当时我们并没有抱怨无法引进德国的机械师，我们只是做了该做的事。那么现在我们要做什么呢？
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China faces a stampede of graduates every year and competition for jobs gets tougher and tougher. Their local companies have a luxury of sexting the best of the best within a large pool of talent. Other countries in Asia are the same as well therefore is getting very competitive in the job market.
每年中国都面临着大批毕业生涌入就业市场，就业竞争越来越激烈的问题。他们本土的公司可以从庞大的人才库中挑选最优秀的人才。在亚洲其他国家也同样如此，因此就业市场上的竞争异常激烈。
尽管心理健康正受到更多的关注，结果并不是生活的全部，但大多数人仍然相信，接受教育取得学位/取得博士学位是在现实生活中取得成功的第一步。
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“ CHINA INVESTS IN THEIR OWN PEOPLE, AMERICA DOESNT AND INSTEAD IMPORTS H-1BS”
中国投资他们自己的人民，美国不投资，而是通过H1B签证引进人才。
Another profession I’m seeing lots of not American born is the medical field. Especially the doctors.
我看到很多非美国出生人士的另一个热门职业就是医疗领域，尤其是医生。
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Immigration is not the answer. At best its a bandaid.
移民并不是解决问题的办法，充其量只能算个创可贴。
It's concerning to see such a significant disparity in STEM PhD production between the U.S. and China. Addressing this issue might require not only reforming visa policies to retain international talent but also enhancing STEM education from an early age to cultivate domestic talent. The future of our tech industry hangs in the balance!
令人担忧的是，在STEM博士培养方面美国和中国之间存在如此巨大的差距，如果想要解决这一问题，不仅需要改革签证政策以留住国际人才，还要从小开始加强STEM教育，以培养国内的人才。我们科技产业的未来前途未卜。
America needs to wake up!
美国需要觉醒了。
So China’s H1Bs are outperforming?? Oh wait, they just don’t poison their citizens through garbage food, zap motivation through welfare statism, and have people go to school to waste years of their lives and get into debt for degrees that have no demand.
所以中国的H1B签证要更胜一筹？哦等等，他们只是不会通过垃圾食品来毒害他们的公民，也不会通过福利国家主义激发积极性，让大家去学校浪费很多年的生命，并为没啥用的学位而负债累累。
My son graduated with an Engineering degree last year from LSU and got numerous calls from companies wanting to hire him. He was able to choose which company was best for him and started out at $75K. The majority of his class (800 +) were foreign students. Trying to understand.
去年我儿子从路易斯安那州立大学毕业，并获得了工程学位。他接到了多家公司的招聘电话，都希望雇佣他。他可以挑选最适合自己的公司，而且起薪7.5万美元。他们同一届的800多个同学，大部分都是外国学生。这一点明白了吧。
China has a low student debt rate compared to the US, and students typically graduate with less debt than their American peers. Universities are free in Germany
与美国相比，中国学生的负债率比较低，毕业时中国学生的债务通常比他们的美国同龄人要少。而德国大学基本上都是免费的。
We keep many brilliant international PhDs through visas or citizenship, but the priority should be on America's own. We need to boost our domestic STEM education and upskill our workforce to meet our needs. We can't keep screwing over our own people for foreigners.
通过签证或公民身份，我们留住了许多优秀的国际博士，但应该优先考虑美国自己的本土人才。我们需要加强国内的STEM教育，提高我们的劳动力技能，以满足我们的需求，我们不能为了外国人而不停欺负自己的人民。
So what ? America is a white nation and we have to prioritize our white people. Getting more H1B hires to replace white people isn't the way to go. Indians and other smart people need to stay in their OWN countries to develop them. America is a white nation, not a corporation that needs to focus on profits.
那又怎样？美国是一个白人国家，我们必须优先考虑我们的白人群体，雇佣更多H1B外籍员工来取代本地白人并不是解决之道。印度人及其他聪明的人才应该留在它们的国家去发展它们自己。美国是一个白人国家，而不是一家需要关注利润的公司。
Wow China must be importing infinity H1b visas to be able to do that...
哇，看来中国一定是引进了无数的H1b签证才能做到这一点吧。
This is a worrying trend. We need to invest in education and attract top STEM talent to maintain our competitive edge.
这是一个令人担忧的发展趋势。我们需要投资教育，以吸引顶尖的STEM人才，从而保持我们的竞争优势。
Give it a rest, we are tired of hearing about this…. Everyone agrees the current system is broken and not working, it needs to be revamped. When President Trump takes office I trust he will make it better! Just stop talking about all the time….
让它歇会儿吧，我们已经听腻了……大家一致同意，现行的体制已经崩溃，已经不管用了，需要重新改造。我相信特朗普总统上台后，他会做得更好。别老提这些了。
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Yeah, fuck the kids it's their fault for not learning....
是啊，该死的小孩们，这是他们不学习的错。
Sounds like a problem with our education system and leadership.
听起来像是我们的教育体系和领导层的问题。
If the schools would focus on math scores instead of grooming kids to be fags we might have a chance to catch up .
如果学校把重点放在提高数学成绩上，而不是把孩子们培养成同性恋者，我们也许还有机会追赶上来。
thats true, the west really needs to get its lads back into the engineering industry, schools should be forced to comply and gender bs ideology should be banned, kids want to build stuff not chop off their bits
没错，西方确实需要让他们年轻的小伙子们回归工程行业了，应该强制学校遵守规矩，而且应该禁止性别意识形态，孩子们想要的是建造东西，而不是割掉他们的一小部分。
Fortunately, America can make an excellent recovery. We need to transform the public education system.
幸运的是，美国能够实现强劲的复苏。但我们确实需要改革公共教育体系。
Would you rather fly on an airplane designed and built by china or the USA? Would you rather buy a car designed and built by china or the USA? Well, what do you think? USA still has it.
你更愿意乘坐由哪个国家设计和制造的飞机，中国还是美国？你更愿意购买由哪个国家设计和制造的汽车，中国还是美国？好吧，你觉得呢？美国仍然拥有它的一席之地。
This is absolutely true. I’m working in the semiconductor industry. The dilemma trying to recruit someone from fresh graduate is between sponsorship of less competent local American. This has been the case in past twenty years and is not changing for the better.
这绝对是真的，我在半导体行业工作，要从应届毕业生中招聘人才时，总面临一个进退两难的局面，那就是要赞助一些能力较差的美国本地人。在过去的二十年里，情况一直如此，并没有朝好的方向转变。
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So why are foreign students the majority in many of our STEM programs? We could limit the number by law.
那么，在我们的好多STEM项目中，为什么外国学生占大多数呢？我们可以通过法律来限制数量。
In 2021 437000 people graduated in stem in the US, if 45 percent left that’s a little less than half. Meaning in two years we have 300000 American graduates
2021年，美国有43.7万人毕业于STEM专业，如果有45%的人选择离开，那就不到一半了，也就是说两年内我们将培养30万名美国毕业生。
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China doesn’t import Indians.
中国不引进印度人。
Looks like finally the system education fails.
看来教育系统最终还是失败了。
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Is China importing immigrants?
中国在引进移民吗？
Maybe its time to rework our broken education system and focus on AMERICA
也许是时候改造我们支离破碎的教育系统，把重点放回到美国身上了。
White American math scores are extremely high. Same or better than east asian. America is being dragged down by low iq black and brown people as evidenced by the PISA scores. Indians have an avg iq of iq of 78 but usa wants its gudjrati indian high iq pop to replc whites.
美国白人的数学成绩非常好，甚至与东亚国家相当或更好。而低智商的黑人和棕色人种拖累了整个美国，从PISA（国际学生评估项目）的成绩就可以看出来了。印度人的平均智商只有78，但美国偏偏想让那些高智商的印度人来取代白人。
We don't care if "China beats us". We are not in a race with China. We want a predominantly white country.
我们根本不在乎“中国是否打败了美国”。我们并不是在跟中国竞争，我们只是想要一个以白人为主的国家。
Disturbing and detrimental to real Americans. Positions like this are fanning the flames of white collective thinking and movements.
对真正的美国人民来说，既令人不安又有害。这样的立场是在煽动白人集体思想与运动的激情。
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So in others words, the previous leaders of this country have been failing constantly. The only thing they are successful is been crooked and destroy the USA.
换句话说，这个国家的前任领导人一直处于失败之中。他们唯一成功的，就是扭曲和摧毁了美国。
Wonder if the decline in math scores has anything to do with the DEI policies in every part of our lives? Of course it does. We all can't be smart so we all have to be stupid.
想知道数学成绩下降，是不是跟我们生活中各个方面的DEI（多元、平等、包容）平权政策有关？当然有关了，我们不可能都很聪明，所以我们必须都很愚蠢。
It’s time to get our education system back on track. Fire all DEI hires and kill the woke crap, demand and reward excellence and the problem will fix itself.
是时候让我们的教育系统重新走上正轨了。解雇所有的DEI员工，消灭那些觉醒后的垃圾，要求奖励优秀的人才，那么问题自然就会迎刃而解了。
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We shouldn't push out talent. We also need to grow our own. The U.S. education system requires a major revamp.
我们绝不能排挤人才，我们还要培养自己的人才。美国的教育体系必须进行重大改革。