俄罗斯苏霍伊苏30与中国歼16战斗机对比
Comparison of Russian Sukhoi Su 30 and China's J 16 Fighter jet
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在先进多用途战斗机领域，俄罗斯苏霍伊Su-30和中国J-16脱颖而出，成为重要参与者，每一款都体现了各自国家的技术和战略愿望。
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In the realm of advanced multirole fighters, the Russian Sukhoi Su-30 and the Chinese J-16 stand out as significant players, each embodying the technological and strategic aspirations of their respective countries.
在先进多用途战斗机领域，俄罗斯苏霍伊Su-30和中国J-16脱颖而出，成为重要参与者，每一款都体现了各自国家的技术和战略愿望。
在先进多用途战斗机领域，俄罗斯苏霍伊Su-30和中国J-16脱颖而出，成为重要参与者，每一款都体现了各自国家的技术和战略愿望。
The Sukhoi Su-30, a derivative of the Su-27 Flanker, is renowned for its versatility, with its origins rooted in the Cold War era and extensive upgrades over the years. In contrast, the J-16, developed by China's Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, represents the latest in China's growing aerospace prowess, boasting advanced systems.
苏霍伊 Su-30 是 Su-27侧卫的衍生型，以其多功能性而闻名，其起源于冷战时期，并多年来进行了广泛的升级。相比之下，由中国沈阳飞机集团公司研制的J-16代表了中国不断发展的航空航天实力的最新成果，拥有先进的系统。
苏霍伊 Su-30 是 Su-27侧卫的衍生型，以其多功能性而闻名，其起源于冷战时期，并多年来进行了广泛的升级。相比之下，由中国沈阳飞机集团公司研制的J-16代表了中国不断发展的航空航天实力的最新成果，拥有先进的系统。
In this video, we will compare both fighters, examining their design, technological advancements, and operational capabilities to understand how they stack up against each other in the competitive landscape of modern aerial warfare.
在这段视频中，我们将比较这两种战斗机，检查它们的设计、技术进步和作战能力，以了解它们在现代空战的竞争格局中如何相互竞争。
在这段视频中，我们将比较这两种战斗机，检查它们的设计、技术进步和作战能力，以了解它们在现代空战的竞争格局中如何相互竞争。
The Sukhoi Su-30 is a Russian fighter jet with two engines and seats for two pilots. It's designed to fly in all weather and perform air-to-air and ground attacks. It can fly with autopilot and use radar to navigate at low altitudes. The Su-30 can attack both air and ground targets alone or in groups. As of 2024, about 600 of these jets have been built.
苏霍伊 Su-30 是一款俄罗斯战斗机，配有两台发动机和两名飞行员的座椅。它设计用于在所有天气条件下飞行并执行空对空和地面攻击。它可以使用自动驾驶仪飞行，并使用雷达在低空导航。 Su-30可以单独或成群攻击空中和地面目标。截至 2024 年，此类喷气式飞机已制造约 600 架。
苏霍伊 Su-30 是一款俄罗斯战斗机，配有两台发动机和两名飞行员的座椅。它设计用于在所有天气条件下飞行并执行空对空和地面攻击。它可以使用自动驾驶仪飞行，并使用雷达在低空导航。 Su-30可以单独或成群攻击空中和地面目标。截至 2024 年，此类喷气式飞机已制造约 600 架。
While Shenyang J-16 is a Chinese fighter jet that also has two seats and two engines. It’s based on the Russian Su-27 and Su-30, but it's made by China's Shenyang Aircraft Corporation. The J-16 is used by the Chinese military and is known for its advanced technology, including a version that uses artificial intelligence in place of a backseat pilot. As of 2024, around 350 J-16s have been built.
而沈阳J-16是一款中国战斗机，也有两个座位和两个发动机。它以俄罗斯Su-27和Su-30为基础，但由中国沈阳飞机集团公司制造。 J-16由中国军方使用，以其先进技术而闻名，其中包括使用人工智能代替后座飞行员的版本。截至 2024年，已制造约350架 J-16。
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而沈阳J-16是一款中国战斗机，也有两个座位和两个发动机。它以俄罗斯Su-27和Su-30为基础，但由中国沈阳飞机集团公司制造。 J-16由中国军方使用，以其先进技术而闻名，其中包括使用人工智能代替后座飞行员的版本。截至 2024年，已制造约350架 J-16。
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aerodynamic performance of flankers are still the top. I guess that is why China keeps it. meanwhile, China replaced its radar/control/weapons with more advanced/sophisticated ones since China has far more advance in that electronics industry. J16 is the best from flanker families
侧卫系列的气动性能仍然是最顶尖的。我想这就是中国继续使用它的原因。与此同时，中国用更先进、更复杂的雷达、控制系统和武器替换了原有的设备，因为中国在电子工业方面远远领先。J16是侧卫系列中最优秀的型号。
J16D won against US F18EG in recent electronic warfare confrontation in SCS..
J16D在最近的南海电子战对抗中击败了美国的F18EG。
PLA been constantly upgrading their Flanker series to the now J16D electronic warfare variant.... that's way beyond what Russians can do to their Flankers
解放军一直在升级他们的侧卫系列，现在的J16D电子战型号已经远远超过了俄罗斯对侧卫系列的改进能力。
Stolen technology.Why compare?
偷来的技术，有什么好比的？
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Russian still squeezing the last bit of aerodynamic performance out of T-10 series, which is also we Chinese do not and will not do, they still have another type of advantage
China now turn to delta wings and complex turbulence aerodynamic design, and for T-10 series, we replace more metal with carbon fiber, we do not do more aerodynamic change on flanker, we simply make it less weight, replace old soviet heavy electronic system with new better ones, and change a better engine
thats the difference between Russians and us now
but Russians are now still producing the best aero designed flanker now
俄罗斯仍在从T-10系列中榨取最后一点气动性能，这也是我们中国人不做也不会做的事情，他们仍然有另一种优势。
中国现在转向三角翼和复杂湍流气动设计，而对于T-10系列，我们用碳纤维替换了更多的金属，我们没有对侧卫进行更多的气动改进，只是减轻了重量，用新的更好的电子系统替换了旧苏联的笨重电子系统，并更换了更好的发动机。
这就是现在俄罗斯和我们的区别。
但俄罗斯现在仍在生产气动设计最好的侧卫。
however, till now, time seems on our side, flanker seems to be old in aerodynamic design after 40 years glory, and the result seems like delta wing and complex aerodynamic design we think more about, but Russian are still working on a better flanker, although J20 can fly at mach 2.7 with same engine while flanker can only fly at mach 2.35
Russians run out of their money, so they can not do anything more, what make the final flanker SU57 a solemn and strring story
然而，到目前为止，时间似乎站在我们这边，侧卫在40年的辉煌后，气动设计似乎已经过时，而结果似乎是我们更关注的三角翼和复杂气动设计，但俄罗斯仍在努力改进侧卫，尽管J20使用相同的发动机可以飞到2.7马赫，而侧卫只能飞到2.35马赫。
俄罗斯已经没钱了，所以他们无法再做更多的事情，这使得最终的侧卫SU57成为一个庄严而感人的故事。
yes, J16 is just looks like Su30, almost everything had been changed.
是的，J16只是看起来像Su30，但几乎所有的东西都已经被改变了。
Su30 looks like Su27 and Su30 SM has everything changed! New Su57 jets are replacing all varieties because they fit on all Sukhoi 27-57,Dry trust is Mah1.6 speed Mah 2.34 with 15% additional range and 30% longer life, cheaper usage! But Russia and China have little to no secrets with each other, sharing technology and resources! They are facing same enemies, and the only way they survive is keeping each others back!@pojunxingjun
Su30看起来像Su27，而Su30 SM已经改变了所有东西！新的Su57正在取代所有型号，因为它们适用于所有苏霍伊27-57系列，速度为1.6马赫，最高速度为2.34马赫，航程增加了15%，寿命延长了30%，使用成本更低！
但俄罗斯和中国几乎没有秘密，共享技术和资源！他们面对相同的敌人，唯一的生存方式就是互相支持！
@LuobingSong Where have Chinese planes ever fought? Egypt just ordered the J-10 and found it to be inadequate. If Delta wing configurationsare so wonderful, why have America and Russia, the two leading countries in aircraft design not adopted them?
中国的飞机在哪里打过仗？埃及刚刚订购了J-10，发现它不够好。如果三角翼配置如此出色，为什么美国和俄罗斯这两个飞机设计的领先国家没有采用它们？
@MaboloLibwese every europe fighter use delta wing, mig21 use delta wing
as for war, peace for Chinese is a critical problem, Chinese do not kill babies in Vietnam or Afghanistan, so J-10 are so called do not go though a war
but is it a real war to kill babies in Vietnam and Afghanistan?
did one single fight between BBC and USAF in the past 70 year?
su27 do fight against some plane, it is mig29, the war started in 1993 between two forgeten country in eastern Africa, and for F16, it is a war-proven tactical bomber, the most war-proven weapon of F-16 is JDAM guided bomb
每架欧洲战斗机都使用三角翼，Mig21也使用三角翼。
至于战争，和平对中国人来说是一个关键问题，中国人不会在越南或阿富汗杀害婴儿，所以J-10被称为没有经历过战争。
但在越南和阿富汗杀害婴儿是真正的战争吗？
过去70年里，BBC和美国空军之间有过一次战斗吗？
Su27确实与某些飞机战斗过，那是Mig29，战争于1993年在东非两个被遗忘的国家之间开始，而F16是一种经过战争考验的战术轰炸机，F-16最经战争考验的武器是JDAM制导炸弹。
@MaboloLibwese and there is one more thing, egypt never official ordered any J-10 fighter, i know there are good story about how egypt abandon the order of J-10 fighter, i think those writter know more than egypt airforces, the DOE of republic of egypt should resign now and let them be
there are more good stories, let me tell you, those turks cancel the order of HQ-9 AIM, the Brazil cancel the order of JF-17
Chinese plane has been defending half of middle east countries for the last century after WWII, these plane will continue be simply ignored by ego western peoples, but they will be there until the dark ages gone, and the new world erase the old
还有一件事，说埃及从未正式订购过任何J-10战斗机，我知道有很多关于埃及放弃J-10订单的好故事，我认为那些作家确实比埃及空军更了解情况，埃及共和国的DOE现在应该辞职，让他们去吧。
还有更多好故事，让我告诉你，土耳其取消了HQ-9 AIM的订单，巴西取消了JF-17的订单。
中国的飞机在二战后一直保卫着中东一半的国家，这些飞机将继续被自负的西方人忽视，但它们会一直存在，直到黑暗时代过去，新世界取代旧世界。
@LuobingSong The same Europe that is an American colony? The same Europe made of weak little countries, of which not a single one can defeat Iran or Algeria on a conventional battlefield. In stead of copying everyone, and hoping that one of those copies work, why don't the Chinese actually use the money to do the tests themselves, to see what they need? Right now, European equipment is failing everywhere in Ukraine, and you are giving me the example of European weapons, what is wrong with you?
那个作为美国殖民地的欧洲？那个由弱小国家组成的欧洲，没有一个国家能在常规战场上击败伊朗或阿尔及利亚。与其抄袭所有人，并希望其中某个抄袭品能奏效，为什么中国人不实际用这些钱自己做测试，看看他们需要什么？现在，欧洲的装备在乌克兰到处失败，而你却给我举欧洲武器的例子，你到底怎么了？
@MaboloLibwese there will be several war recent years before 2030
time will prove me
在2030年之前，会有几场战争发生，时间会证明我是对的。
@MaboloLibwese any source to backup your point? you said Egypt just ordered the J-10 and found it to be inadequate.
有任何来源支持你的观点吗？你说埃及刚刚订购了J-10，发现它不够好。
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@MaboloLibwese China is very poor after being robbed and plundered by Western bandits for hundreds of years. If China also imitates you and becomes a bandit, will it be your turn today? Remember, you secretly learned Chinese gunpowder technology and compass technology hundreds of years ago to become bandits. The United States also steals German technology. Can you tell me which country has not stolen technology? Even if many American technologies were invented by the United States? Many of them were created by immigrant students from poor countries, so don’t brag as if you are smart~! You are really smart, why are you still living like Yerang a thousand years ago? You don’t know how much Chinese culture and technology you have stolen, we know it very well! This is why ancient China could excavate terracotta warriors and horses, and unearth bronzes, porcelain, and seismographs. But do you think your ancestors had anything to compare with?
中国在被西方强盗掠夺了几百年后变得非常贫穷。如果中国也模仿你们成为强盗，今天会轮到你们吗？记住，你们几百年前偷偷学习了中国的火药技术和指南针技术，成为了强盗。美国也偷窃德国的技术。你能告诉我哪个国家没有偷过技术吗？即使许多美国技术是美国发明的？
其中许多是由来自贫穷国家的移民学生创造的，所以不要吹嘘自己很聪明~！你们真的很聪明，为什么你们还像一千年前的夜郎一样生活？你们不知道自己偷了多少中国文化和科技，我们非常清楚！这就是为什么古代中国能挖掘出兵马俑、青铜器、瓷器和地震仪。但你认为你们的祖先有什么可以与之相比的吗？
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@MaboloLibwese China is not a warlike country and we are proud of it (unlike a certain country across the pacific). Unless we are provoked we don't want war. But China will be prepared.
中国不是一个好战的国家，我们为此感到自豪（不像太平洋对岸的某个国家）。除非被挑衅，否则我们不想要战争。但中国会做好准备。
@roro-v3z The evidence of your history attests to what you claim. You are indeed a peaceful, civil, generous and considerate people. We in a Africa know that without you and the Soviet unx, we would not likely not be alive, much less have countries to call our own.
你们的历史证明了你们的说法。你们确实是一个和平、文明、慷慨和体贴的民族。我们非洲人知道，没有你们和苏联，我们可能无法生存，更不用说拥有自己的国家了。
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Because you western sanctions Russia where they got the money for development
因为你们西方制裁俄罗斯，他们从哪里获得发展的资金？
Where have these Chinese planes every fought? What have they ever done? The Russian planes are at this point the most combat tested planes in the world period. All the planes of all the other countries in the world are but tigers on paper.
这些中国飞机在哪里打过仗？它们做过什么？俄罗斯飞机是目前世界上经过最多实战考验的飞机。世界上所有其他国家的飞机都只是纸老虎。
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@LuobingSong You delta wing nonsense need to get off your high horse. Why is this rubbish only pushed by second class countries, the ones who build one or two planes? The US and Russia do not do this delta wing nonsense. These are the countries which have developed 90% of all the aviation technology. China's contribution is to apply a xerox machine to the work other people have done.
你的三角翼废话需要放下架子。为什么这种垃圾只被二流国家推动，那些只造一两架飞机的国家？美国和俄罗斯不做这种三角翼的废话。这些国家开发了90%的航空技术。中国的贡献就是把别人的工作用复印机复制一遍。
@MaboloLibwese why'd you want to start a conflict in order to test your gears?? you know how much money russia is burning each day on this SMO?
你为什么想通过挑起冲突来测试你的装备？你知道俄罗斯每天在这场特别军事行动中烧多少钱吗？
@LuobingSong The only advantage you Chinese have is the ability to produce what you copy in greater numbers than those who have invented it. In fact, some years ago, Putin told a great truth, when he said that he wanted his scientists back. Iran, North Korea and China, absorbed tens of thousands of former Soviet scientists when Ukraine, Belarus and Russia were unable to pay them following the breakup of the Soviet unx. If China, Iran and North Korea are now claiming to have hypersonic weapons, and if China is now able to reproduce Russian weapons with ease, please understand why
你们中国人唯一的优势是能够以比发明者更大的数量生产你们复制的东西。事实上，几年前，普京说了一个伟大的真理，他说他想要他的科学家回来。伊朗、朝鲜和中国吸收了数万名前苏联科学家，当时乌克兰、白俄罗斯和俄罗斯在苏联解体后无法支付他们的工资。如果中国、伊朗和朝鲜现在声称拥有高超音速武器，并且如果中国现在能够轻松复制俄罗斯武器，请理解为什么。
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@fatdoi003 Go back to February 2022, listen to that Security Council meeting, where each member stood up to explain why Russia would be doing what it is doing now, to understand why Russians are spending the money they are on the SMO. There was not one single person who gave the need to test weapons as the reason to go to war. Stop invoking something else as reason to defend yourself against an argument you cannot win.
回到2022年2月，听听那次安理会会议，每个成员都站起来解释俄罗斯为什么现在做这些事情，以理解俄罗斯为什么在特别军事行动上花钱。没有一个人把测试武器的需求作为开战的理由。停止用其他理由来为自己辩护，因为你无法赢得这个争论。
@MaboloLibwese i surely can, as i say, if you need to start a war to test or to prove your gears then your gears quite suck to begin with.... turns out the best bit of gear in this conflict is drones and who makes the best drones??
我当然可以，正如我所说，如果你需要通过发动战争来测试或证明你的装备，那么你的装备一开始就很糟糕……事实证明，这场冲突中最好的装备是无人机，而谁制造了最好的无人机？
@MaboloLibwese lol, "Egypt just ordered the J-10 and found it to be inadequate"?! though no official news from both governments, but per online social media, the contract was signed last month. you are pathetic...
哈哈，“埃及刚刚订购了J-10，发现它不够好”？！虽然没有两国政府的官方消息，但根据社交媒体，合同是上个月签署的。你真可怜……
@MaboloLibwese LOL.... "Joined Oct 2, 2024", bro... how much they paid you for creating this account??
哈哈……“2024年10月2日加入”，兄弟……他们付了多少钱让你创建这个账号？
This is Chinese alaways do: improved copy. They don't simply copy it. They will only copy the best parts of you. Improve the parts they don't like. That is why J16 is for sure better Su 30.
这是中国人一贯的做法：改进复制。他们不会简单地复制。他们只会复制你最好的部分，改进他们不喜欢的部分。这就是为什么J16肯定比Su30更好。
improved copy is ability, most country do not have this ability.
改进复制是一种能力，大多数国家没有这种能力。
spot on
说对了。
J16 is better than the Su35, which is the latest and best Flankers from Russia.
It has PL21, the longest range A2S missile
Endian SU30 is old and decrepit..
Flown by the worst pilot in the world.. endian pilot.
The endian SU30 stands no chance against J16.
J16比Su35更好，Su35是俄罗斯最新最好的侧卫。
J16配备了PL21，射程最远的空对空导弹。
印度的Su30老旧不堪……
由世界上最差的飞行员驾驶……印度飞行员。
印度的Su30根本不是J16的对手。
Terbaik kalo sudah di uji di Medan perang. Bukan di atas kertas seperti f22 @SengpoSatbang
只有在战场上经过考验的才是最好的，而不是像F22那样只停留在纸上。
they are two completely different jets now
它们现在是两种完全不同的飞机。
They are not completely different. If they were they would not look different. And if the Chinese had the ability to design their own planes, they would. Right now, they show an ability to reproduce Russian and American designs
它们并不是完全不同。如果完全不同，它们看起来就不会有区别。如果中国人有能力设计自己的飞机，他们会的。现在，他们展示了复制俄罗斯和美国设计的能力。
@lzhburn That is it. You are telling the truth
就是这样。你说的是实话。
@MaboloLibwese The US F15 replicated the Russian MiG-25; The US B1 replicated Russia's TU160
美国的F15复制了俄罗斯的MiG-25；美国的B1复制了俄罗斯的TU160。
@MaboloLibwese guys, don't spread the rumor. J20 and J35 are designed by China. China can't copy them through air as there is no physical sample on hand.
大家不要传播谣言。J20和J35是中国设计的。中国无法通过空气复制它们，因为没有实物样本在手。
Aside from aerodynamic layout and appearance, which are indeed well-regarded in the Su-30, there is no resemblance between the two aircraft internally. The radar, avionics, engines, and weapon systems are completely different—essentially, they are two entirely different fighter jets.
除了气动布局和外观，Su-30在这方面确实备受好评，但两架飞机内部没有任何相似之处。雷达、航电、发动机和武器系统完全不同——本质上，它们是两架完全不同的战斗机。
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They are not different planes. If what you are saying was the basis for differentiating things, the Indians could say the same thing about the Su30MKI which they have loaded with electronics imported from Israel and other countries. You import Russians and reproduce Russian planes (illegally), and the Russians import no weapons from you for a very good reason. They know what they are doing and you don't
它们并不是不同的飞机。如果你说的这些是区分事物的依据，印度人也可以对他们的Su30MKI说同样的话，他们的Su30MKI装满了从以色列和其他国家进口的电子设备。你们进口俄罗斯的飞机并（非法）复制俄罗斯的飞机，而俄罗斯不从你们那里进口武器是有充分理由的。他们知道自己在做什么，而你们不知道。
中國引入蘇27，包括生產權及智識產權！中國有權改良及自行生產，是合法抄襲！之後改良，除外型相似之外，基本上，內部電子航天系統，有源相控雷達，武器系統，飛機結構，碳纖維物料，鈦合金物料，什至引擎，已經百分百完全國產化，比俄國戰機更先進！
@yau7639 The Chinese bought Su30s and made illegal developments, as they did the Mig21 and many Russian weapons. The Chinese then went to Russia and tried to buy 12 Su35S. The Russians refused, because they knew that Chinese wanted to use these planes to make hundreds more illegally. The Russians only agreed when the Chinese agreed to buy 24.
中国人购买了Su30并进行了非法改进，就像他们对Mig21和许多俄罗斯武器所做的那样。然后中国人去俄罗斯试图购买12架Su35S。俄罗斯人拒绝了，因为他们知道中国人想用这些飞机非法制造数百架。只有当中国人同意购买24架时，俄罗斯人才同意。
蘇27係蘇聯產物，蘇聯解體後，俄國同意履行合約，即大陸引進蘇27，包括生產權及知識產權，經過改良，發展而成阡11，阡16等，早期仍然採用俄制引擎，目前，已經全部百份百國產！
@MaboloLibwese 美國有5G嗎？
美国有5G吗？
@MaboloLibwese If you don't want to be a prostitute, don't sell your body. Since you are selling yourself, don't pretend to be a noble lady. Since China has introduced the SU-27 production line, it certainly has the right to improve the SU-27. Otherwise, do you think you are giving Russia overnight fees for free?
如果你不想当妓女，就不要出卖自己的身体。既然你在出卖自己，就不要假装是贵妇。既然中国引进了SU-27生产线，当然有权改进SU-27。否则，你认为你在免费给俄罗斯过夜费吗？
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@MerdanYakefu You are delusional. If there are no patents, why did the Chinese and the Indians have to sign contracts permitting them to manufacture Su27s and Su30MKI respectively? Why is it that the Amerians can restrict how the foreign jets that fly with their engines, such as the Swedish made Saab Grippen are used or sold? If there are no patents, how is it that Russia is able to prevent Turkey from reselling its S400? If there are no patents, why is it that only a few authorised countries, such as Turkey for the F-16, and a few others for the F-35, are allowed to make spare parts? Why is the AK-47 made by almost everyone, but only America makes the M-16? Hint, one was copyrighted, and the other was not...
As for the Germanys needing to be consulted in the case of the patenting weapons, exactly why do the Germans own this priviledge?
你是在妄想。如果没有专利，为什么中国和印度必须签署合同，允许他们分别制造Su27和Su30MKI？为什么美国人可以限制使用他们发动机的外国飞机，比如瑞典制造的Saab Grippen的使用或销售？如果没有专利，俄罗斯如何能够阻止土耳其转售其S400？如果没有专利，为什么只有少数授权国家，如土耳其可以制造F-16的备件，而其他少数国家可以制造F-35的备件？为什么AK-47几乎每个人都能制造，而只有美国制造M-16？提示，一个有版权，另一个没有……
至于德国在武器专利方面需要被咨询，为什么德国拥有这种特权？
@MaboloLibwese Signing a contract is about importing technology; they don't teach you how to manufacture, and you won't be able to produce anything. Moreover, India assembles, not manufactures; these are two different things.
签署合同是为了引进技术；他们不会教你如何制造，你也无法生产任何东西。此外，印度是组装，而不是制造；这是两回事。
@DuChen-py7gl Whether it is China and India, which introduced the Russian SU-27 or SU-30 production lines in the early years, or Turkey, which introduced the F-16 production line, they are all assembly production lines. Russia and the United States did not teach the core technologies such as engines, radars, and avionics to the importing countries. To put it bluntly, they spend money to buy Russian or American fighter jets, but they are assembled and produced in the purchasing country. On the one hand, it can increase employment in the purchasing country, and on the other hand, it can let the purchasing country understand the assembly process of advanced aircraft. Assembly is also a technology, although the technical level is relatively low. We Chinese have a proverb: The master leads you into the door, whether you can learn something depends on how you do it. It shows that the Chinese people's IQ, hard work and love of learning have achieved the development of China's aviation technology. We learned a lot of core technologies from SU-27 by assembling, studying, imitating and understanding it. Later, the Chinese developed their own phased array radar, their own avionics system, their own head-up display, their own ejection seat, and their own engine. Except for the outer shell (the Chinese admire the appearance of SU-27 very much), the entire aircraft was replaced with products made by the Chinese themselves, that is, J-16. The performance of J-16 is one generation ahead of SU-27. India, which introduced the SU-30, and Turkey, which introduced the F-16, are still in the stage of assembling aircraft and have not yet truly mastered the manufacturing technology of advanced fighter jets. This is the biggest difference between the Chinese and people from other countries.
无论是早年引进俄罗斯SU-27或SU-30生产线的中国和印度，还是引进F-16生产线的土耳其，它们都是组装生产线。俄罗斯和美国没有向引进国教授发动机、雷达和航电等核心技术。说白了，他们花钱购买俄罗斯或美国的战斗机，但它们在购买国组装和生产。一方面可以增加购买国的就业，另一方面可以让购买国了解先进飞机的组装过程。
组装也是一种技术，尽管技术水平相对较低。我们中国人有句谚语：师傅领进门，修行在个人。这表明中国人的智商、勤奋和热爱学习促成了中国航空技术的发展。我们通过组装、研究、模仿和理解SU-27学到了很多核心技术。后来，中国人开发了自己的相控阵雷达、自己的航电系统、自己的平视显示器、自己的弹射座椅和自己的发动机。
除了外壳（中国人非常欣赏SU-27的外观），整个飞机都换成了中国人自己制造的产品，即J-16。J-16的性能比SU-27领先一代。引进SU-30的印度和引进F-16的土耳其仍处于组装飞机的阶段，尚未真正掌握先进战斗机的制造技术。这是中国人与其他国家人最大的区别。
@DuChen-py7gl India makes the Su30 MKI in keeping with the technology transfer contract they signed with Russia. The only part they do not make is the engine. India has been the most reliable customer of Russian arms because they do not violate contracts, unlike the Chinese, by buying a few copies, and then mass producing the rest illegally. Stop saying what a contract is, because is contract is whatever has been agreed on and signed. The Russians and the Indians can sign whatever they want.
印度按照与俄罗斯签署的技术转让合同制造Su30 MKI。他们唯一不制造的部分是发动机。印度一直是俄罗斯武器最可靠的客户，因为他们不违反合同，不像中国人那样购买几架，然后F法大规模生产其余的。不要再说什么合同了，因为合同就是双方同意并签署的东西。俄罗斯人和印度人可以签署任何他们想要的东西。
因缺乏俄制零件及引擎，印度斯坦航空有限公司下属一家制造蘇-30MKI的工廠于2020年3月關閉！印度根本没能力生產零件！
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@MaboloLibwese
中国购买了su27的气动布局蓝图，白痴
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Even the basic is improved, china has operated su30mkk and su30mkk2.. They were happy with them but it was out dated, the j16 is a 4.5 generation not 4 generation. It is basically like 5 generation avionic and radars and also radar absorbed paints, stealthy features are visible .. J16 is more superior to su30sm and india su30mki. .. china will have 700 J16 within the next few years, they are focus on the 6 generation while producing j20 and J35 stealth jets.
甚至基础部分都有所提升，中国已经使用了苏30MKK和苏30MKK2……它们曾经很受欢迎，但已经过时，J16是4.5代战机，而不是4代战机。它的航电系统、雷达基本相当于5代机，且具有雷达吸波涂层，隐身特性明显……J16优于苏30SM和印度的苏30MKI……未来几年，中国将拥有700架J16，且在生产J20和J35隐身战机的同时，聚焦于第六代战机的研发。
The Chinese j16 is a copy of the trim down Su 30 export version...it is not in any way superior to the Su 30sm or sm2
中国的J16是经过简化的苏30出口版的复制品……它在任何方面都不优于苏30SM或SM2。
@Kullgan U know nothing .China is not India.
你什么都不知道，中国可不是印度。
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@snowlee-ml7rr Yes, and India is not China, nor does Russia equate these two countries.. but the first 2 cited copies a lot from the latter... Russia doesn't share its latest innovations nor its best technologies
是的，印度不是中国，俄罗斯也不会把这两个国家等同起来……但前两个国家从后者那里抄袭了很多……俄罗斯不会分享它的最新创新或最先进的技术。
@Kullgan no, J16 have aesa radar and they are much better than Russian radar. Chinese put aesa radar in J10/J16/J20/JF17 and almost every kind of equipment like AA or warship, Russia can not massive product aesa radar. SU35 still use pesa radar.
不，J16配备了AESA雷达，比俄罗斯雷达要强得多。中国把AESA雷达应用于J10、J16、J20、JF17以及几乎所有的装备，如空空导弹或战舰，俄罗斯无法大量生产AESA雷达。苏35仍然使用PESA雷达。
@Kullgan J16 is not SU30. Don't talk until you know that. It is important to acknowledge India's backwardness.
J16 不是苏30，别说话，直到你了解清楚为止。承认印度的落后是很重要的。
@DuChen-py7gl improving a copy of a Bugatti's copy and trying to make it as close or better as the original doesn't make it a Bugatti...it remains a copy just like the j16...the Su 30 export version is not the domestic version of the Russians Su30...not even close...you are the one talking nonsense
改进一辆布加迪的复制品，并试图让它尽可能接近或超越原版，并不能让它变成布加迪……它仍然是一个复制品，就像J16一样……苏30的出口版不是俄罗斯苏30的国产版……差得远呢……你才是胡说八道。
@Kullgan You think india Su30 is more powerful, no matter, I agree with you. Love from CN.
你认为印度的苏30更强吗？没关系，我同意你的看法。来自中国的祝福。
@Kullgan only similar in the outside, anything else is different: engine, electronic system, weapons are all different
只是外观相似，其他方面都不同：引擎、电子系统、武器都不一样。
Bruh Russia now depend on China for anything in its war with Ukraine @Kullgan
兄弟，俄罗斯现在在与乌克兰的战争中，什么都依赖中国
@Kullgan you know nothing about China. China has Su-30 already, if J16 isn't good than Su-30, China won't put J16 on mass production.
你对中国一无所知。中国已经拥有苏30，如果J16不比苏30好，中国不会将J16投入量产。
@Kullgan the J-16 is not derived from the Su30 or any of its derivative but from the J-11BS which is an upgraded domesticated version on the Su-27UBK. So no what you’re saying is wrong
J-16并非源自苏30或其任何衍生型，而是源自J-11BS，这是基于苏-27UBK的升级版国产机型。所以你说的完全错了。
@yae_123 without the su27 export tech, which the Chinese copied and improved... J-11 or J-16 wouldn't exist... paint it how you want, but there is a difference between developing your own tech and building unpon what you stole (f35) or scrapping and understanding what you bought so you can do better... but funnily keeping the same design and wing structure
如果没有苏-27的出口技术，中国复制并改进了它……J-11或J-16就不可能存在……你可以怎么涂装都行，但开发自己技术和建立在你偷来的技术基础上（比如F-35）之间是有区别的，或者拆解并理解你购买的东西，以便做得更好……但有趣的是，设计和机翼结构却没有改变。
@Kullgan Well what you said was that the J-16 was a copy of the Su-30 which was wrong, it was derived from the J-11BS, but re-engineered with different layouts and material use. Given that most countries are unable to build an aircraft when provided with the entire set of blueprints, at least the Chinese are able to manufacture the flankers independently and upgrade it to be better than Russian versions. Regarding the F-35, you exhibit a crazy level of ignorance, particularly when it comes to aircraft design, because the difference between the air intakes, internal structural support, wiring, and aerodynamics is completely different between a single-engine and twin-engine design. Heck, designing an aircraft for use of a high-bypass and low-bypass engines also comes with so many differences that the similarities between the F-35 and J-31/35 is virtually zero.
你说J-16是苏-30的复制品是错误的，它来源于J-11BS，但进行了重新设计，采用了不同的布局和材料。鉴于大多数国家在获得完整蓝图后仍无法制造飞机，至少中国能够独立生产“侧卫”系列战机，并将其升级到比俄罗斯版本更优秀。至于F-35，你展现了极其疯狂的无知，尤其是在飞机设计方面，因为单引擎和双引擎设计的进气口、内部结构支撑、布线和气动性能完全不同。设计一架高旁通比和低旁通比发动机的飞机也会带来许多差异，因此F-35与J-31/35之间的相似性几乎为零。
@yae_123 it is not wrong as from the su27 to the su35 and su 37 prototype...they are almost the same frx/design but with different tech and different avionics its an upgrade...the Su 57 is a complete different plane. Do you understand? My reference to the F35 was regarding to it being a 5th gen...you can not make a fifth gen plane without it ticking the technology behind it hence why there is a debate regarding the su57....we are all aware how the Chinese got the tech...it is
这并不错误，从苏-27到苏-35，再到苏-37原型机……它们几乎是相同的框架和设计，只是采用了不同的技术和航电系统，这是一次升级……苏-57则是一架完全不同的飞机。你明白吗？我提到F-35是因为它是第五代战机……如果没有它背后的技术支持，你就无法制造第五代战机，因此关于苏-57的争论才会存在……我们都知道中国是如何获得这些技术的……这不是秘密。
@Frommoon-w2u dude, why are you so serious to argue with an Indian on YouTube? Simplely say Jahidi to him, that is more than enough.
兄弟，为什么你要在YouTube上和印度人争论这么认真？直接对他说“Jahidi”就够了。
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@Kullgan you knew nothing about China. actually China has Su 35 and Su 30 MKK. after J-16 were built. China don't use Su 35 and Su30 MKK. actually every year we have internal competition, the Su 35 even can't beat J-10 as the radar of Su 35 is too old, all China-made new jet use ASEA radar.
你对中国一无所知。事实上，中国有苏-35和苏-30MKK。J-16建成后，中国就不再使用苏-35和苏-30MKK了。实际上，每年我们都有内部竞争，苏-35甚至无法战胜J-10，因为苏-35的雷达太老了，所有中国制造的新型战机都使用AESA雷达。
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There are a number of errors in the video. Firstly, the Su-30 should be compared with the J11. Secondly, the Su-30 engine thrust is shown as 74.5 kN (16,700 lbf) thrust each dry, while the J16 engine thrust is shown as 135 kN (30,000 lbf) with afterburner. Dry and afterburner engine thrust are different engine operating modes. I suggest the author pay more attention to the information. It is correct to compare the J16 with the Su-35, and although it is a slightly earlier development (2008), it is still possible to make a comparison. The WS-10B turned out to be close in characteristics to the Russian AL41. The AL41 (137.3 kN (30,900 lbf) with afterburner), which is only slightly superior to the Chinese engine in afterburner thrust. And later it also received a controlled thrust vector.
视频中有一些错误。首先，苏-30应该与J-11进行比较。其次，苏-30的发动机推力显示为74.5kN（16,700磅力），而J16的发动机推力显示为135kN（30,000磅力）加力推力。干推力和加力推力是不同的发动机工作模式。我建议作者多关注信息。
J16与苏-35的比较是正确的，尽管它的开发稍早一些（2008年），但仍然可以进行比较。WS-10B的性能与俄罗斯的AL41相近。AL41（137.3kN（30,900磅力）加力推力），它的加力推力仅比中国发动机稍强。后来，它还配备了受控推力矢量。
Lol the comparison should be with F15EX not Su30. Despite appearance J16 does not share much with Su30. The internals are completely redesigned.
哈哈，应该与F-15EX进行比较，而不是苏-30。尽管外观相似，J-16与苏-30的内部设计完全不同。
*Good luck China from India indigenous is good thing over Western countries*
祝中国好运，来自印度，本土化比西方国家更好。
how many f15exs are there?more than 056 now?
现在有多少F-15EX？比056还多吗？
but USA has only built 8 f15ex
但美国只建造了8架F-15EX。
@ganeshmk119 india great
印度棒。
@kurtji8170 I know bro
我知道，兄弟。
For me, Chinese j16 is more modern and fully equipts with latest avionics due Chinese airforces experiances for operating Russians su27,su30mk and su35s. Despite being called as a copycat, j16 is born couses Chinese demands and born due Sukhoi made is lack for something for Chinese airforces doctrin.
对我来说，中国的J-16更现代，配备了最新的航空电子设备，这是由于中国空军在操作俄罗斯的苏-27、苏-30MK和苏-35方面的经验。尽管被称为抄袭者，但J-16是根据中国需求诞生的，源于苏霍伊未能满足中国空军教义上的某些需求。
wu M
五毛
It's all fake. China only has three generations of aircraft, and it's still very weak. It's far worse than Western countries.
这一切都是假的。中国只有三代飞机，而且仍然非常弱，远远比不上西方国家。
The picture you use is actually J16 VS J11A
你用的图片实际上是J-16对J-11A。
There are some India su 30 too.
印度也有一些苏-30。
Nah, it’s the Su 30mkk that China bought from Russia. It can still be Russian jet. And J11 is Su-27.
不，那是中国从俄罗斯购买的苏-30MKK。它依然是俄罗斯的战机。J-11则是苏-27。
The most critical difference is: 1. Radar & Electrical devices. 2. System & platform support.
最关键的区别是：1. 雷达和电子设备；2. 系统和平台支持。
That was the dry thrust for the SU30s engine. The wet (afterburner) thrust is 27,560. Still less but significantly more than what you had.
那是苏-30发动机的干推力。加力（喷管）推力是27,560。虽然推力较小，但比你们的要大得多。
US wouldn't dare to face-off its J-16s and F-15s against the MK-30s or J-16s as the usual overly hypes and brags would be again ridiculed by the world at large. Just look at the so-called advance and cutting edge US weapons that have been fully destroyed by the Russians in Kursk.
美国根本不敢让自己的J-16和F-15与MK-30或J-16对抗，因为平时的过度夸张和吹嘘将再次被世界嘲笑。看看那些所谓的先进尖端美国武器，它们在库尔斯克被俄罗斯人彻底摧毁了。
wu M
五毛
@l.a_e_j5894 - TQ, it such a an excellent compliment and the idiocy of shills and trolls.
谢谢，这真是个极好的赞美，完全是傀儡和喷子的愚蠢。
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