为什么印度尼西亚看起来不像一个发达国家？印度尼西亚的经济却是东南亚最大的经济体
Why doesn't Indonesia look and seem like a developed country? Indonesia's economy is the largest in Southeast Asia.
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网友：这是因为我们国家幅员辽阔，与新加坡、韩国或日本这样的发达国家相比，印度尼西亚的很多地区都不容易发展起来。
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This is because our country is vast, and it isn't easy to develop many parts of Indonesia compared to a developed country such as Singapore, South Korea, or Japan.
这是因为我们国家幅员辽阔，与新加坡、韩国或日本这样的发达国家相比，印度尼西亚的很多地区都不容易发展起来。
This is because our country is vast, and it isn't easy to develop many parts of Indonesia compared to a developed country such as Singapore, South Korea, or Japan.
这是因为我们国家幅员辽阔，与新加坡、韩国或日本这样的发达国家相比，印度尼西亚的很多地区都不容易发展起来。
The size of Indonesia is compared to Europe on an old Dutch map.
在一张旧的荷兰地图上，印度尼西亚的面积与欧洲相当。
Indonesia is an archipelagic country with at least 17,000 islands, including five main islands: Java, Sumatra, Borneo, Sulawesi, and Papua. There are 30 more minor archipelagos, and around 6,000 islands are inhabited. Indonesia is huge, diverse, and, most importantly, geographically disconnected, making construction difficult and costly, which is necessary for improving the living conditions of the people around it.
印度尼西亚是一个群岛国家，至少有17000个岛屿，包括五个主要岛屿:爪哇、苏门答腊、婆罗洲、苏拉威西和巴布亚。还有30多个小群岛，大约6000个岛屿有人居住。印度尼西亚幅员辽阔，地域多样，最重要的是，地理位置分散，这使得建设变得困难和昂贵，而这是改善周围人民生活条件的必要条件。
印度尼西亚是一个群岛国家，至少有17000个岛屿，包括五个主要岛屿:爪哇、苏门答腊、婆罗洲、苏拉威西和巴布亚。还有30多个小群岛，大约6000个岛屿有人居住。印度尼西亚幅员辽阔，地域多样，最重要的是，地理位置分散，这使得建设变得困难和昂贵，而这是改善周围人民生活条件的必要条件。
Did you know that back then, it was much cheaper for Indonesians to travel to Europe than to Papua, which is part of Indonesia? In 2023, the plane ticket route Jakarta Jayapura or Jakarta Timika will cost around Rp20 million. Meanwhile, the plane ticket route from Jakarta to Amsterdam will cost around Rp12 million.
Thankfully, the situation has improved today, but you still get the point.
你知道吗，那时候，印度尼西亚人去欧洲旅行比去巴布亚便宜得多，巴布亚是印度尼西亚的一部分。2023年，雅加达查亚普拉或雅加达蒂米卡的机票价格约为2000万印尼盾。与此同时，从雅加达到阿姆斯特丹的机票价格约为1200万印尼盾。
谢天谢地，如今情况已经有所改善了，但你依然能明白其中的要点。
Thankfully, the situation has improved today, but you still get the point.
你知道吗，那时候，印度尼西亚人去欧洲旅行比去巴布亚便宜得多，巴布亚是印度尼西亚的一部分。2023年，雅加达查亚普拉或雅加达蒂米卡的机票价格约为2000万印尼盾。与此同时，从雅加达到阿姆斯特丹的机票价格约为1200万印尼盾。
谢天谢地，如今情况已经有所改善了，但你依然能明白其中的要点。
So you get the point. Indonesia is the largest economy in Southeast Asia. Of course, we were in the 1 trillion dollar club. However, we still have a long way to go to close the disparity gap between our regions so that Indonesia can achieve that developed status you're asking for.
所以你要知道，印度尼西亚是东南亚最大的经济体。当然了，我们也曾跻身万亿美元经济体俱乐部。不过，要缩小我们各地区之间的差距，让印度尼西亚达到你们所期望的发达状态，我们还有很长的路要走。
所以你要知道，印度尼西亚是东南亚最大的经济体。当然了，我们也曾跻身万亿美元经济体俱乐部。不过，要缩小我们各地区之间的差距，让印度尼西亚达到你们所期望的发达状态，我们还有很长的路要走。
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Abdullah Abd Rahman
All the best to Indonesia in developing and prospering the country and its people !
You are on the right track already.
祝愿印度尼西亚在国家发展以及人民生活繁荣方面一切顺利！你们已经走在正确的道路上了。
I wouldn't say the right track. For example the US client government in Indonesia did a GENO.... in East Timor.
我可不敢说走在正确的道路上。例如，美国扶持的印度尼西亚政府曾在东帝汶实施了种族灭绝行为。
I am Indonesian and had friends from East Timor in college, never once we see each other with ill mannered perceptions of each other. Everytime a foreigner mention this issue like it is still an on going issue rather than historical, sounds a bit ignorant. 40 years has passed since the invasion of East Timor. It's been 25+ years since the authoritarian regime (that you mentioned supported by US) that committed atrocities in East Timor has been demolished. Indonesia is now a democratic nation. Acknowledge its historical human rights violations in East timor. East Timor has been independent for 20+ years. Indonesia and East Timor have moved on and developed diplomatic and cooperative relations esp. in supporting ET full membership in ASEAN. So yeah..in this regard of “being a democratic civilized people” (if that is what you are insinuating) Indonesia is positively in the right track.
我是印度尼西亚人，在大学里有来自东帝汶的朋友，我们彼此之间从来没有过不友好的看法。每次有外国人提起这个问题，说得好像它还是个当下的问题而不是历史问题，这听起来有点无知。东帝汶被入侵距今已经过去 40 年了。那个（你提到的受美国支持的）在东帝汶犯下暴行的DC政权被推翻也已经有 25 年多了。印度尼西亚现在是一个民主国家。它承认在东帝汶曾侵犯人权的那段历史。东帝汶已经独立 20 多年了。印度尼西亚和东帝汶已经向前看，并且发展了外交与合作关系，特别是在支持东帝汶成为东盟正式成员方面。所以，在 “成为民主文明的民族” 这方面（如果这是你想暗示的内容的话），印度尼西亚确实走在正确的道路上。
No, I was just concerned. I hardly seen a country that was once seized by US in certain ways ever truly independent. For example Iraqi government can't even rule a bubble gum machine but massacres their own people. Syria is still a mess. Iran never recovered from the domino effect of the coup done jointly by Reza Pahlawi and Anglo-British forces against the democratically elected PM Mohammed Musaddeq. The “successful” ones like Germany and Japan pretty much became vassals of the US. They can't take healthy decisions on their own.
I don't know a lot about Indonesian modern history and politics but I still hope things are back on track.
不，我只是表示担忧。我几乎没见过哪个曾在某些方面被美国把控的国家能真正实现独立。比如伊拉克政府甚至连一台泡泡糖售卖机都管不好，却还在屠杀本国人民。叙利亚依旧一团糟。当年，礼萨・巴列维与英美势力合谋，发动政变推翻了伊朗民选首相穆罕默德・摩萨台，由此引发的一系列多米诺效应，让伊朗至今都没能恢复元气。像德国和日本这样 “成功” 的国家，基本上都成了美国的附庸。它们没办法自主地做出健康合理的决策。我不太了解印度尼西亚的近现代历史和政治，但我仍然希望一切都能回到正轨。
Huh, wait a minute. Since when Indonesia had been “seized” by US? Yeah, they've tried to fuck us over many times but they never “seize” us. Trust me, due to our geographical position, noone in the world with their slightest right mind would want Indonesia to fall into chaos. The impact is too dire for the entire world.
哼，等一下。印度尼西亚什么时候被美国 “把控” 过了？没错，他们多次试图坑我们，但从来没有 “把控” 过我们。相信我，鉴于我们的地理位置，世界上但凡脑子正常一点的人，都不希望印度尼西亚陷入混乱。那样的影响对整个世界来说太可怕了。
If Indonesia ever fall into chaos, being pirate in malacca straits sounds like a profitable jobs, lM
要是印度尼西亚陷入混乱，在马六甲海峡当海盗听起来倒是个挺赚钱的活儿，哈哈。
That seems to be quite promising career
那似乎是个挺有前途的职业呢。
as you realizing that then it is a part of a right track that our people do care about that and symphatize.
既然你们意识到了这一点，那说明我们的民众关心并且在意这件事，这也是走在正确道路上的一种体现呀。
Gomawo
LARGEST economy doesn't translate to STRONGEST economy. Indonesia may have the largest economy based on GDP in the region the same with India in its region. Large economy generally means it has a large population which means bigger workforce (human resources) and potential consumers.
To be more developed and strong economically, you have to look at GDP per capita or economic output per person. Indonesia is #5 in the SEA region. Singapore is number with more than 18 times the number compare to Indonesia in terms of GDP per capita.
经济体量最大并不等同于经济实力最强。印度尼西亚或许凭借国内生产总值（GDP）在所在地区拥有最大的经济体量，就如同印度在其所在地区那样。庞大的经济体量通常意味着人口众多，也就意味着有更庞大的劳动力（人力资源）以及潜在消费者群体。
要在经济上变得更发达、更强盛，就得看人均国内生产总值或者人均经济产出。在东南亚地区，印度尼西亚的人均 GDP 排名第五。而新加坡排名靠前，其人均国内生产总值是印度尼西亚的 18 倍多。
Some parts of Paris looks like a rubbish slum, look at those old wonky buildings in Amsterdam with mold problems because of the canals why aren’t they more developed
巴黎的一些地方看上去就像垃圾遍地的贫民窟，看看阿姆斯特丹那些因运河而存在霉菌问题的破旧歪斜的建筑吧，它们为什么没能发展得更好呢？
Let alone the difficult geographical chalange of a big island nation, Indonesia also had another bigger challenge. We also had a very differs demography with a very differs culture and languages. Countries like Japan, South Korea and many others had a single majority demography. It makes them united in every aspects and therefore makes them far more easier to develop than country with differs demography like Indonesia. Let alone what Indonesia had achieved today, the fact that currently Indonesia doesn't fall into chaos is already a miracle.
先不说作为一个大型岛国面临的艰难地理挑战，印度尼西亚还面临着另一个更大的难题。我们有着差异极大的人口结构，还有截然不同的文化和语言。像日本、韩国以及许多其他国家，都有着占多数的单一民族结构。这使得他们在各个方面都能团结一致，因此相较于像印度尼西亚这样有着多元人口结构的国家，发展起来要容易得多。且不说印度尼西亚如今已经取得的成就，单就目前印度尼西亚没有陷入混乱这一点，就已经是个奇迹了。
it is known to the fact that our young man visionary idea in 1928 young oath.
众所周知，我们年轻人有着 1928 年《青年誓言》中所体现的那种富有远见的理念。
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In my view Indonesia has got enough resources to leverage its own industry standards- if that is one of the goals for future generation, despite of the braindrain today- by having more scopes and focuses in education programmes to set up more initiatives. What do you think?
在我看来，印度尼西亚拥有足够的资源来提升自身的工业标准 —— 如果这是后代的目标之一的话，尽管如今面临人才流失的问题 —— 可以通过在教育项目上拓展更多范围、聚焦更多重点来发起更多举措。你们怎么看呢？
It may be the biggest economy in SEA but it will take a long long long long time b4 Indonesia can compete with the like of her nighbours like Singapore,malaysia or even vietnam and Thailand!!The education level must first be improved,the culture may not permit Indonesia to change for the better..corruption seems to be acceptable..the income gap between the rich(and the corrupt)with the majority of the people are soooo wide.The rich and the corrupt were idolised as if they are the “successful “ group..high ranking govt employees are corrupted to the core.There is no exception as every single one of the are corrupted..
印度尼西亚或许是东南亚最大的经济体，但要过很久很久很久，它才能与周边国家如新加坡、马来西亚，甚至越南和泰国相竞争！首先必须提高教育水平，其文化可能不利于印度尼西亚向更好的方向转变…… 腐败现象似乎被人们所接受…… 富人群体（其中不乏腐败分子）与大多数民众之间的收入差距极其悬殊。富人和腐败分子被当作 “成功” 群体而受到崇拜…… 高级政府雇员腐败到了骨子里。无一例外，他们每个人都腐败。
Indonesia hs multiple Islands the size of Germany which are heavily underpopulated. This is due to deficiency within Indonesians
印度尼西亚有多个面积堪比德国的岛屿，但人口却极为稀少。这是由于印度尼西亚自身存在的不足所导致的。
Dont do that my friend. Using your countries size as an excuse for bad things is not a good idea. Ive seen all to well how thats hurt the americans over the decades.
朋友，别这样。把国家的面积当作坏事的借口可不是个好主意。过去几十年里，我太清楚这是如何伤害美国人的了。
Our country size is really not joke, and geographic of our country is as ridiculous as it seen because we are in ring of fire so natural disasters is our everyday breakfast, do u know how ridiculously costly and hard it is to develop an island country like us, easy for u to say when many of the countries is one archipelago such as china and USA, our country is already doing a miracle job, because we still standing as one country despite the, different, multicultural, and multiethnic it is
我们国家的面积可不是闹着玩的，而且我国的地理情况就像看上去的那样糟糕，因为我们处于环太平洋火山地震带，所以自然灾害对我们来说就如同家常便饭，你知道要发展像我们这样的岛国是多么成本高昂、困难重重吗？你们说得倒轻松，许多国家比如中国和美国都是一个整体的大陆板块，我们国家已经创造了奇迹，因为尽管有着多元的文化、众多的民族差异，但我们依然作为一个统一的国家屹立不倒。
Im just saying that if theres an issue it should be adressed, one shouldnt make excuses, one should just make the country better one square kilometer at a time.
And I agree, Indonesia is too big, had I godlike powers I would make the ilands east of the Wallace line a different country, and unite the iland of Papua.
我只是想说，如果存在问题，那就应该去解决，不应该找借口，而应该每次努力让国家每一平方公里地变得更好。而且我也认同，印度尼西亚面积太大了，要是我有超能力的话，我会把华莱士线以东的岛屿变成一个独立的国家，并且把巴布亚岛统一起来。
Oh yeah obviously i agree, they need to get addresses thats why, we having otonomi daerah / Regional autonomy, where there's a regional government who can develop their own land, province and city, and mostly the one who in charge is always local of that island, but yeah i really hope that they can be MORE TRUSTED, because in reality many still lacking behind with corrupt goverment that central always need to interfer.
哦，对呀，显然我同意，这些问题确实需要去解决，这就是为什么我们有地区自治权，有地方政府可以去发展他们自己的土地、省份和城市，而且大多数负责的人往往就是那个岛屿的本地人，不过，我真的希望他们能够更受信任，因为实际上，很多地方由于腐败的政府而发展滞后，中央政府常常需要进行干预。
Mind Blower
yup also indonesia has gone more pious sex before marriage is banned
没错，而且印度尼西亚变得更加虔诚了，婚前性行为都被禁止了。
Bruh that is hoax.. just look the night life in every city in indonesia, u will know what i mean
兄弟，那是谣言啦…… 只要看看印度尼西亚各个城市的夜生活，你就明白我的意思了。
Nooo the ticket price for domestic flight IS STILL more expensive than the international flight.
And it is my very main reason why I haven’t been in any places outside Java Island but I have visited 5 foreign countries. Such an irony.
不对呀，国内航班的机票价格仍然比国际航班贵呢。这就是我除了爪哇岛之外没去过印尼其他地方，却去过 5 个外国的主要原因。真是太讽刺了。
Yeah, but if see history and geography of the island. The Indonesia should be like US who have federal or confederation.
With all tribe has different culture, it can't be homogen treatment policy's. The characteristics people affect them mind and ability of fortune
So sounds cliche, the population are key to ruler people for discipline to prosperity.
是啊，不过要是看看这个岛国的历史和地理情况，印度尼西亚应该像美国那样实行联邦制或者邦联制。鉴于各个部落有着不同的文化，不能采取一刀切的政策。民众的特点会影响他们的思想以及创造财富的能力。所以老话说得好，人口因素是统治者引导民众走向自律、实现繁荣的关键所在。
Are you sure you want Japan as comparison?
你确定要拿日本作比较吗？
indonesian IIndonesia is a strategic country and rich in natural resources, but its corrupt officials have made its people poor on average.
作为印度尼西亚人，我想说印度尼西亚是一个战略位置重要且自然资源丰富的国家，但腐败官员却让本国人民基本都比较贫穷。