QA：中国网友如何看待中国新型第六代战斗机首飞？
What do Chinese netizens think about the maiden flight of China's new sixth-generation fighter jet?
译文简介
昨天标志着人类历史上两架六代机的首次飞行，一架是中国制造的，另一架也是中国制造的。
正文翻译
CaiLei
Yesterday was a good day.
Yesterday was also the birthday of Comrade M Zedong, the great leader of the Chinese people.
Yesterday marked the first flight in human history of two sixth-generation aircraft, one made in China and the other also made in China.
昨天是个好日子。
昨天也是中国人民的伟大领袖毛泽东同志的生日。
昨天标志着人类历史上两架六代机的首次飞行，一架是中国制造的，另一架也是中国制造的。
Yesterday was a good day.
Yesterday was also the birthday of Comrade M Zedong, the great leader of the Chinese people.
Yesterday marked the first flight in human history of two sixth-generation aircraft, one made in China and the other also made in China.
昨天是个好日子。
昨天也是中国人民的伟大领袖毛泽东同志的生日。
昨天标志着人类历史上两架六代机的首次飞行，一架是中国制造的，另一架也是中国制造的。
The Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group in South China and the Shenyang Aircraft Industry Group in North China both made their first flights of new sixth-generation fighters.
In traditional thinking, it seems like two designs are competing for a bid, but based on current information, the sixth-generation fighters of the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group and the Shenyang Aircraft Industry Group are very different in size. It is very likely that they are not competing for a bid, but two different types of sixth-generation fighters that have been determined.
The sixth-generation fighter that the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group made its first flight has been confirmed to be a three-engine configuration, much larger than the heavy fighter J-20, with a larger payload, suitable for long-range penetration and strikes on enemy ground and sea targets.
中国南方的成都飞机工业集团和中国北方的沈阳飞机工业集团都进行了新的第六代战斗机的首飞。
在传统思维中，这似乎是两种设计在竞标，但基于目前的信息，成都飞机工业集团和沈阳飞机工业集团的第六代战斗机在尺寸上有很大不同。很有可能他们不是在竞标，而是已经确定的两种不同型号的第六代战机。
成都飞机工业集团首飞的第六代战斗机已被确认为三发构型，比重型战斗机歼20大得多，有效载荷更大，适合远程突防，打击敌方地面和海上目标。
Although the Shenyang Aircraft Industry Group's sixth-generation fighter is larger than the accompanying J-11 series fighters, it is smaller in size than the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group's sixth-generation fighter, and it is even likely to be a twin-engine fighter. This sixth-generation fighter emphasizes air maneuverability and is more suitable for air superiority operations. It is very likely to be the next generation of air superiority fighters sexted by the Navy and Air Force, and the size is also more conducive to being on an aircraft carrier when folded.
沈阳飞机工业集团的第六代战机虽然比随行的歼11系列战机大，但体积比成都飞机工业集团的第六代战机小，甚至很可能是双发战机。这种第六代战斗机强调空中机动能力，更适合空中优势作战。极有可能是海空军选择的下一代空中优势战机，尺寸也更有利于折叠时在航母上。
China is currently the first country in the world to test-fly sixth-generation fighter jets.
中国目前是世界上第一个试飞第六代战斗机的国家。
In fact, when the Pakistan Air Force was about to be equipped with China's second fifth-generation stealth fighter J-35A, I guessed that China's sixth-generation stealth fighter would be released.
其实在巴基斯坦空军即将装备中国第二款第五代隐身战机歼35A的时候，我就猜到中国第六代隐身战机要发布了。
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其实在巴基斯坦空军即将装备中国第二款第五代隐身战机歼35A的时候，我就猜到中国第六代隐身战机要发布了。
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Regardless of the focus, the two sixth-generation fighters that China first flew have made breakthroughs in aviation technology and are significantly ahead of other fighters in the world in terms of technology, and they definitely have generational standards.
This time, China's aviation industry is no longer a follower, but a definer of standards. This day is of epoch-making significance.
不管重点是什么，中国首飞的两个第六代战机都在航空技术上有所突破，在技术上明显领先于世界其他战机，绝对有世代标准。
这一次，中国航空工业不再是跟随者，而是标准的定义者。这一天具有划时代的意义。
In 2019, the Americans said they would test various sixth-generation aircraft within five years.
At the end of 2024, the five-year deadline has expired. The US plan cannot keep up with the changes and the progress is not as good as China.
Come on, Uncle Sam!
2019年，美国人表示将在5年内测试各种六代机。
2024年底，五年期限已过。美国的计划跟不上变化，进度不如中国。
加油，山姆大叔！
At the end of 2024, the five-year deadline has expired. The US plan cannot keep up with the changes and the progress is not as good as China.
Come on, Uncle Sam!
2019年，美国人表示将在5年内测试各种六代机。
2024年底，五年期限已过。美国的计划跟不上变化，进度不如中国。
加油，山姆大叔！
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Yesterday, I saw it in the sky over Chengdu. It was very loud and flew over the bustling city center. Yesterday was Chairman M's bir
昨天，我在成都的天空中看到了它。它声音很大，飞越了繁忙的市中心。昨天是毛主席的生日。
Yes, yesterday was Chairman M’s birthday. When I passed the gate of Hunan Provincial Government, I saw officials taking an oath.
是的，昨天是毛主席的生日。当我经过湖南省政府大门时，我看到官员们在宣誓。
The 2nd 6th gen plane looks like a starwars fighter jet
第六代第二架飞机看起来像星球大战中的战斗机。
It is said that the engine in the middle is a ramjet engine, intended for edge-of-space flight. I’m not sure if it’s true. LOL
据说中间的发动机是冲压发动机，用于临近空间飞行。我不确定这是否是真的，哈哈。
If the research papers published by Shenyang (the manufacturer of the second plane) are true, the back fins can move from the flat stealthy configuration to a F-117 like tail configuration for better manoeuvrability.
如果沈阳（第二架飞机的制造商）发表的论文属实，那么飞机的后尾翼可以从平坦的隐形配置移动到F-117那样的尾部配置，以获得更好的机动性。
Interesting the color configuration on the plane. If China's remained with its previous operating policies, most of the public has missed the development of this bomber.
My assumption would be it underwent extensive testing in the desert regions in the north.
I wonder if M would appreciate the barren regions of China becoming integral to its future. I suspect he would have had some interesting thoughts on that.
这架飞机的颜色配置很有趣。如果中国继续执行之前的政策，大多数公众都会错过这款轰炸机的研发。
我的猜测是它已经在北方的沙漠地区进行了广泛的测试。
我想知道毛主席是否会欣赏中国将那些荒芜地区变成其未来的重要组成部分。我怀疑他对此会有一些有趣的想法。
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US: by sticking 2 5th gen jets together, we will get a 10 gen jet, way more advance than 6th gen
美国：把两架五代机拼在一起，我们就能得到一架十代机，比六代机先进得多
Maybe.
Then again, Russia believed it's top tier technology would compensate for a shit military, piss training, and oligarchs owning 90% of its funding.
Turns out all the technology in the world can't compensate for the people behind it.
Will China fall into the same trap? Only time will tell.
也许吧。
不过，俄罗斯曾认为其顶尖技术可以弥补其糟糕的军事、糟糕的训练和寡头拥有90%的资金。
事实证明，世界上所有的技术都无法弥补人的因素。
中国是否会陷入同样的陷阱？只有时间会证明一切。
In the history of the world, apart from China, no other nation has reached the pinnacle of the world many times.
在世界历史上，除了中国，没有其他国家多次达到过世界的顶峰。
Apologies, I'm not sure I follow?
“Pinnacle of the world"?
抱歉，我不太明白你的意思？
“世界的顶峰”？
Calling that a 6th generation fighter is a stretch to say the least it's a prototype and most likely a test bed similar designs have been pushed out by the us over almost 30 years ago case in point the x36 and bird of preyalmost 30 years ago case in point the x36 and bird of prey
称它为第六代战斗机至少是牵强的，它只是一个原型，很可能是一种试验台类似的设计已经被美国在大约30年前推出过，例如x36和猛禽；
Thomas Anderson
Worst Christmas for someone at the Pentagon
对五角大楼的某个人来说，这是最糟糕的圣诞节
sure it is.
当然是的。
xi’An is preping the third. Maybe a bomber.
西安正在准备第三架。也许是轰炸机。
Indeed, what a remarkable achievement! Timed to perfection. Two 6th Gen fighter aircrafts flew for the first time in human history. That too 2 aircrafts of two different designs. I don't think anyone, any nation, will be able to beat this record. Not for the 7th, 8th or 8th gen.
The opening sentence was great. “One made in China, the other also made in China”! The US will now have to work hard to steal this technology. Once they succeed, make a great Hollywood blockbuster movie on how the hiest was planned and executed
确实，这是一项了不起的成就！时间安排得恰到好处。人类历史上首次有两架第六代战斗机首飞。而且这两架飞机还是两种不同的设计。我认为，任何国家都无法打破这一纪录。无论是第七代、第八代还是第八代以后。
开头那句话很棒。“一架中国制造，另一架也是中国制造”！美国现在必须努力窃取这项技术。一旦他们成功，就可以制作一部关于这次盗窃计划和执行的好莱坞大片
A flying prop with no specs is just a flying prop. A PR move.
没有具体参数的飞行道具只是飞行道具。只是一次公关行动。
星辰大海
官方还没有宣布这是什么类型的飞机，但我猜美国会宣扬“中国威胁论”以获得更多的军事开支。
孑民
情况并非如此。中国网民一般会说：“什么第六代战斗机？这明显是改装过的歼-10。圣诞快乐，麦克阿瑟！”
How about the White Emperor displayed during the recent air show?
最近在航展上展示的“白帝”战机怎么样？
And, the new amphibious assault ship “Sichuan” rolled out in the same day too, wasn’t it?
还有，不是同一天推出的新型两栖攻击舰“四川舰”吗？
完了，真遥遥领先了。 oh my, really leading the pack now.
Yeah 6th! Generation! The US tested fuselages like those in the 1960's you see a flying fuselage in the sky and the Sinobots go mad promoting the lie. A pretty airfrx is not a fighter
是啊，第六代！美国早在20世纪60年代就测试过这样的机身，你在天上看到一个飞行的机身，那些中国机器人就疯狂地宣扬这个谎言。一个漂亮的机身并不是战斗机。
Sng Kok Joon Leonard
I don’t get it, what makes it 6th generation over the current 5th generation?
我不明白，是什么让它比现在的第五代战斗机更先进，成为第六代？
China's fifth-generation fighter jets are J-20 and J35. The sixth-generation fighter jets are definitely an upgrade over the fifth-generation fighter jets.
中国的第五代战斗机是歼-20和歼-35。第六代战斗机肯定是第五代战斗机的升级版。
Avionics and stealth capabilities.
It's not a hard fast line, but more a general assumption. America, China, Europe and Russia generally considered any military aircraft built from the early 2000s onward to be in the 6th generation territory.
And already, there's discussion on what will constitute a 7th generation fighter.
航空电子设备和隐身能力。
这不是一条硬性规定，而更多的是一种普遍假设。美国、中国、欧洲和俄罗斯普遍认为，从21世纪初开始建造的所有军用飞机都属于第六代。
而且，已经有人在讨论什么样的战斗机将构成第七代了。
Lù Shèng An 陆盛安
Likely also include in the definition native support for drone wingman operations. The J20S variant already has a second pilot for drone control, but this is a post-launch modification.
还有结构上的变化，比如没有垂直稳定器，这提高了隐身性能，但需要更先进的线控飞行系统。
很可能还包括对无人机僚机操作的本地支持。歼-20S型号已经有一个第二名飞行员负责无人机控制，但这是发后来的修改。
Maybe?
I'm NOT convinced China's going the “Elon Musk” route here. Generally, whats confused outside observers is the inability to accept, less understand, that China simply sees problems, and solutions, differently from the West.
I DO think that's what we are seeing here- China went “stealthy” without the full “stealth” and solved it's perceived issue. Will part of that involve drones?
也许吧？
我并不认为中国会走“埃隆·马斯克”的路线。通常，让外界观察者感到困惑的是，他们无法接受，甚至无法理解，中国看待问题和解决方案的方式与西方截然不同。
我确实认为我们在这里看到的是——中国在没有完全“隐身”的情况下实现了“隐身”，并解决了其认为存在的问题。这是否会涉及无人机呢？
Lù Shèng An 陆盛安
Equally, it's also hard to imagine that when the USAF finally gets it's act together and finishes revising the specs for the NGAD, that they will leave out drone control (with a second pilot?). So, native integration with drone wingmen is practically a de facto given for 6th Gen status.
我认为这几乎是不可避免的，而且并不是因为中国受到了马斯克的启发。毕竟，他们特意延长了歼-20的机身，以容纳一名无人机操作员。而且，其他举措，如2022年发射的世界上第一艘专用无人机航母，以及在2024年珠海航展上展示的“Jetank”无人机航母，都清楚地表明，中国人民解放军已经考虑了很长时间了。
同样，也很难想象，当美国空军最终齐心协力，完成下一代空中优势战斗机（NGAD）的规格修订时，他们会忽略无人机控制（以及第二名飞行员？）。因此，与无人机僚机的原生集成几乎是第六代战斗机地位的既定事实。
And, I think you make a solid argument.
That said, I'm also naturallY LEEry of the whole “drone everything” drive. Now admittedly, I might be on the wrong side of history here, but I think humans still have far to go in war.
I do think that part of it is the PRC is doing a lot more f what they're good at: throw everything at the wall, see what sticks. You saw that with their early 2000s naval builds- almost a dozen different designs, engines, power grids, radar builds and even crewing all leading to the the Luyang III/ Renhai ships, plus thier secret weapon - the Jiangdao FFG.
I don't think they'll keep all the designs we've seen previewed, or even the ideas, but that's currently China's biggest advantage: the willingness to fail, and either learn from or disregard the idea. That's opposed to where my country is, where failure usually just means throwing more money at it!
我认为你的论点很有说服力。
也就是说，我自然也对整个“无人机化”的趋势持谨慎态度。当然，我承认我可能站在了历史错误的一边，但我认为在战争中，人类还有很长的路要走。
我确实认为，其中一部分原因是中国正在做更多他们擅长的事情：把所有东西都扔到墙上，看看什么能粘住。你在他们21世纪初的海军建造中就能看到这一点——近十种不同的设计、发动机、电网、雷达建造，甚至人员配备，最终都导致了旅洋III级/055型导弹驱逐舰，以及他们的秘密武器——江岛级护卫舰的出现。
我认为他们不会保留我们所见到的所有预览设计，甚至包括那些理念，但目前这却是中国的最大优势：他们愿意面对失败，并能够从失败中学习，或者忽略那些不可行的想法。这与我的国家截然不同，在我的国家，失败往往只意味着投入更多的资金！
Because of the ramjet engine.
This allows the aircraft to fly at an altitude of more than 20 kilometers at a speed of more than Mach 3.
This causes enemy aircraft to find themselves "unable to catch up and reach" when fighting against the sixth-generation aircraft.
因为冲压发动机。
这可以使飞机在20多公里的高空以超过3马赫的速度飞行。
这使得敌方飞机在与第六代飞机作战时发现自己“追不上也达不到”。
Why are the wheels out though ?
但是为什么轮子伸出来了呢？
Because during the aerial test, having the wheels exposed is a necessary procedure.
因为在空中测试期间，露出轮子是一个必要的程序。
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Maiden flights are always with wheels out, for emergency landing in case of something wrong.
首飞时轮子总是伸出来的，以防万一出现问题可以紧急着陆。