一场由法国人不洗澡引发的攻击性讨论
I went to Paris last summer and came across some stinky people on the subway, why don't a number of French people shower regularly?
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我是法国人，住在美国，有一个特朗普主义者邻居，他不洗澡，不换衣服，还经常因为喝酒而尿裤子或呕吐……这就是我的法国家人来拜访我们时看到的美国……
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I went to Paris last summer and came across some stinky people on the subway, why don't a number of French people shower regularly?
去年夏天我去了巴黎，在地铁上遇到了一些浑身臭气熏天的人，为什么很多法国人不经常洗澡呢？
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When I worked in Toulouse I was struck by immaculately dressed men in the metro who smelled horrendous. It took me some time to figure out that they were actually showering but were putting on the same stinky jackets that they had sweated in the day(s) before.
The smell is more like urine than dirty sweat but not quite. These guys did not look to be incontinent which is how I arrived at my conclusion.
Now I notice this smell frequently in France and realize that it’s an issue with no air conditioning and infrequent laundering.
当我在图卢兹工作时，我在地铁里被穿得衣冠楚楚的男人所震惊，他们身上散发着可怕的气味。我花了一些时间才弄清楚，他们实际上是有洗澡的，但穿的是前一天出汗的臭夹克。这种气味更像是尿液，而不是汗味，但又不完全是。这些家伙看起来不像是会大小便失禁的样子，这就是我得出结论的原因。
现在我在法国经常注意到这种气味，并意识到这是没有空调和不经常洗衣服而导致的问题。
Have you ever ridden the subway in NYC?
There are some interesting smells there
你在纽约坐过地铁吗？
那里有一些有趣的气味
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Chicago too. I rode the El and buses for 17 years. Generally fine, but frequently stinky.
芝加哥也是。我乘坐地铁和公共汽车17年了。总体来说还不错，但经常很臭。
Yes there are!
是的，就是这样！
For sure! I rode the NYC for more than a decade, and the odor was awful. Especially in the summer!
的确！我在纽约出行10多年了，那里的气味太难闻了。尤其是在夏天！
Boston’s MBTA can be rather odiferous, as well
波士顿的 MBTA 也可能相当难闻。
You want bad smell, go to the undercover Central Market in Adelaide. The garlicky smell coming from people , bites your nose if you know what I mean. Not being racist, but the older southern European women in the permanent black clothing really smell.
如果你想闻到难闻的味道，那就去阿德莱德的地下中央市场吧。人们身上散发出的大蒜味会刺痛你的鼻子，如果你明白我的意思的话。我不是种族歧视，但那些穿着永久黑色衣服的年长的南欧妇女确实有味道。
Heck, forget the subway. Ever place in NYC stinks.
哎呀，忘了地铁吧。纽约的每个地方都很臭。
Yes no doubt but not by well dressed professionals.
是的，毫无疑问，但不是由衣着考究的专业人士所为。
Excepted coming across some homeless people I have not notice such a thing on a big scale. but, If its unbearable for you, you may want to avoid public transportation in Paris.
I also would like to point at this is not specific to big cities in France, you also may come across some “smelly” individuals in New York, London, Bruxelles, or San Fransisco etc…
除了遇到一些无家可归的人，我还没有大规模地注意到这样的事情。但是，如果你无法忍受，你可能想避免乘坐巴黎的公共交通。
我还想指出，这并不只限于法国的大城市，你也可能会在纽约、伦敦、布鲁塞尔或旧金山等地遇到一些“臭”人……
The metro in Paris in the summmer is unlike anything I have smelled anywhere in the world, and we travel a lot! I still love Paris and Parisians, but it would be nice to not singe my nostril hair on the metro in summer!
我经常旅行，巴黎夏季的地铁与我在世界上任何地方闻到的都不一样！我仍然喜欢巴黎和巴黎人，但如果夏天在地铁上不烧焦我的鼻毛就更好了！
You know where you won’t come across such people? Tokyo, Seoul, and even cities like Hong Kong and Singapore that are stinky hot all the time. It’s quite a shock to the system moving to a big European city from a big Asian one. The people just smell really bad.
你知道在哪里不会遇到这样的人吗？东京、首尔，甚至香港（特区）和新加坡等城市，欧洲这些城市总是臭气熏天。从亚洲大城市搬到欧洲大城市，对身体来说是一个相当大的冲击。那里的人身上的气味真的很难闻。
Also Italy and a lot of the Middle East. Men love to use fragrance in those places and personal sanitation practices involving washing after the bathroom help.
意大利和中东的很多地方也是如此。这些地方的男人喜欢使用香水。
上完厕所后洗手等个人卫生习惯对消除味道也很有用。
I think sweat glands play a part but it’s a bit of a shock to the system encountering people who seemingly haven’t showered for days, or worse, smell of actual shit (man behind us on a bus last week). Can’t even blame hot weather.
我认为汗腺起了一定的作用，但遇到那些似乎好几天没洗澡的人，或者更糟的是，身上有屎味的人（上周在公交车上，我们后面的一个人），对嗅觉系统来说有点震惊。甚至不能怪炎热的天气。
Do you know that Asians have a genetic condition that makes them smell less? Deodorants are barely sold there
你知道吗，亚洲人有一种遗传基因，使他们体味较淡？那里几乎没有卖除臭剂的。
I think it’s a lot to do with the western diet as anything. More dairy, more meat compared to a fish and vegetable diet which is more to the taste of the far east.
我认为这和西方饮食有很大关系。西方饮食中奶制品和肉类较多，而鱼类和蔬菜饮食更符合东方人的口味。
My Asian husband eats the same as me. He doesn’t have to use deodorant. Sweats but doesn’t stink. It is genetic, not diet.
我的亚洲丈夫吃的和我一样。他不需要使用除臭剂。出汗但不臭。这是遗传的，而不是饮食。
You should add Phillipines where bathing is almost a must for anyone active to go outside the house on a daily routine. Filipinos may look staid or simple by the way we dress but we hate people whose body and clothes stink like those coming from cold countries.
你应该加上菲律宾，那里每天出门几乎必须洗澡。菲律宾人的穿着可能看起来古板或朴素，但我们讨厌那些身体和衣服像来自寒冷国家的人一样臭的人。
I think some Asians lack a gene for smelly bacteria
我认为一些亚洲人缺乏产生臭味细菌的基因
I read years ago ,that the Japanese don’t sweat . Neither do Koreans . Don’t know if this is correct .
几年前我读到，日本人不流汗。韩国人也不流。不知道这是否正确。
try public transportation in a 3rd world country like India or most any country in Africa and you will be jam packed with some of the most ripe BO you’ve ever known.
尝试在印度这样的第三世界国家或非洲的大多数国家乘坐公共交通，你将会遇到一些你所知道的最成熟的体味。
I live in Florida where it’s hot. Human stew. And you’ll often find yourself in line somewhere next to someone who has been working hard while in the humidity and heat. Even if there is nobody around, the ground water stinks. Everytime the sprinklers come on all you smell is sulphur.
我住在佛罗里达，那里很热。能把人炖熟。你在某个地方排队，经常会发现旁边有人在潮湿和炎热的天气里辛勤工作。即使周围没有人，地下水也很臭。每次洒水喷头打开，你闻到的都是硫磺味。
I'm in the UK the same here ! I was in a shop and a man came in walking round.the smell made me heave !
我在英国也一样！我在一家商店里，一个男人走了进来。气味让我喘不过气来！
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I remember visiting my fiamce’s parents in Nice. They advised me not to do laundry or shower on Saturday, The water pressure would be too low, as most people in the building take their weekly baths on Saturdays.
我记得去尼斯拜访我未婚妻的父母的时候。他们建议我星期六不要洗衣服或淋浴。因为水压太低了，因为大楼里的大多数人都会在星期六洗澡。
lol
哈哈。
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Paris in the summer is hot. Paris has a functioning public transport system. SOmost people do not drive to work
Houses and offices do not have air conditioning.
The metro can get very hot. People sweat. They sweat in the morning, they sweat during the day and they sweat going home.
When they get home they shower and change.
French sartorial standards are different. They do not dress as if they are going to funeral when they are going to work.
夏天的巴黎很热。巴黎有一个运转良好的公共交通系统。大多数人不开车上班，
房屋和办公室没有空调。
地铁会变得很热。人们流汗。他们早上出汗，白天出汗，回家也出汗。
回到家后，他们洗了个澡，换了衣服。
法国的服装标准不同。他们上班时不会穿得像要是去参加葬礼。
Many don't shower in the morning and that is a big reason why. Only showering in the evening means you are going like 8-12 hours plus your work day, without a shower. People are musty.
很多人早上不洗澡，这就是一个重要原因。只在晚上洗澡，意味着你要工作 8-12 个小时，期间都不洗澡。人们都发霉了。
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But they generally look very nice.
但他们总体上看起来很棒。
I’m pretty sure there are smelly people all around the world but, as a French woman, I have got first hand experience and there is a hygiene problem in France. Which is strange because being smelly and dirty is frowned upon. But I think a few people do not smell themselves. I remember being shocked once when a French influencer asked her followers how often they showered, they were all women and quite a lot said they didn’t shower everyday. Some said they didn’t wash their feet with soap for example because their feet bathed in the shower water and that was enough, or they didn’t wash their legs or back or arms because « they didn’t touch anything with it »!! And they were all women following a beauty influencer so probably stylish, all made up and elegant, but they were dirty. There has been another recent survey showing that more than 50% of people didn’t wash their hands after using the subway, or using the restrooms. Or didn’t wash their hands before cooking!!
我很确定全世界都有体味很重的人，但作为一名法国女性，我有第一手经验，法国确实存在卫生问题。这很奇怪，因为体味和肮脏是会被人皱眉的。但我认为有些人身上没有体味。
我记得有一次，一位法国网红问她的粉丝们多久洗一次澡，我感到很震惊，她们都是女性，很多人说她们不是每天都洗澡。有些人说她们不用肥皂洗脚，因为她们的脚在淋浴水中洗过就够了，或者她们不洗腿、背或胳膊，因为“这些地方没有碰过任何脏东西”！！
她们都是追随一位美容网红的女性，所以她们可能很时尚、化了妆、很优雅，但她们很脏。最近还有一项调查显示，超过 50% 的人在乘坐地铁或上完厕所后不洗手。或者在做饭前不洗手！！
I’m shocked by how many women I see leaving the restrooms with only a brief rinse of water on their hands or often no washing at all.
Why is this?
我震惊地看到，有多少女性在离开卫生间时，手上只洗了一会儿水，或者经常根本不洗。
这是为什么？
Are you not shocked by how many men leave a restroom without washing after pulling out and then stuffing their private part back in their pants?
你不感到震惊的是，有多少男人在上完大厕后没有洗漱，然后把私处塞进裤子里？
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Sometimes, there’s no soap, especially in some public restrooms. But according to the survey I mentioned, 51% of people don’t wash their hands after using the restrooms, I don’t know why. It explains why they found it so hard to wash their hands for Covid and why the stomach flu strives each year in this country…
有时，是因为没有肥皂，尤其是在一些公共卫生间。但根据我提到的调查，51%的人在使用卫生间后不洗手，我不知道为什么。这解释了为什么他们在新冠肺炎期间很难洗手，以及为什么胃肠型流感在这个国家每年都在肆虐…
I agree with you. I always carry antibacterial handwipes or a small tub of soap in my bag for these occasions. Cold water faucets irritate me.
我同意你的看法。在这些场合，我总是随身携带抗菌洗手液或一小盆肥皂。冷水龙头令我烦躁。
I have travelled around France quite a lot.
I have almost never encountered soap in a public toilet, unlike in the UK.
我去过法国很多地方。
与英国不同，我几乎从未在法国的公共厕所看到过肥皂。
I’d say there’s soap in about 50 to 60% of them. Rest areas restrooms on the freeway being the worst. But big malls and restaurants restrooms have soap most of the time. Restrooms in schools are usually atrocious, dirty, no soap, no toilet paper…
我认为其中大约 50% 到 60% 的厕所都有肥皂。高速公路休息区的厕所最差。但大型商场和餐厅的厕所大多数时候都是有肥皂的。学校的厕所通常很糟糕，很脏，没有肥皂，没有卫生纸……
Yes, my experience is from travelling around the country. I think most restaurants would have soap in the toilets. I never go to malls.
是的，我的经验来自全国各地的旅行。我认为大多数餐馆的厕所里都会有肥皂。我从不去商场。
I think I have a very good sense of smell and in all my travels in France I never once had any horrid odors flow in my direction. I’ve been traveling (mostly to Paris) since the early 80s and my upcoming trip will be # 29. I normally always travel in Paris by bus or metro & have never smelled anything offensive. I don’t know why people (usually tourists) say this about, ie, the Parisians when, in fact, it could be them — the tourists. Just by looking at somehow doesn’t indicate what nationality they are. I live in the US and there’s a lot of smelly people here !!
我认为我的嗅觉非常灵敏，在我去过的所有法国旅行中，我从未闻到过任何难闻的气味。我从 80 年代初就开始旅行（主要是去巴黎），我即将进行的旅行将是第 29 次。我通常在巴黎乘坐公共汽车或地铁，从未闻到过任何难闻的味道。我不知道为什么人们（通常是游客）会这样评价巴黎人，而事实上，可能是他们——游客身上有味道。仅仅是通过观察并不能判断他们是哪个国家的人。我住在美国，这里有很多臭味十足的人！！
I find the question offensive. I’ve never been aware of my co-nationals being “smelly”. I did read somewhere that the English never washed at all, until the middle ages, and even when some of them started to, it was rarely even once a week for centuries, for most of them. We on the other hand have been bathing and using deodorants and perfumes since forever. So maybe it’s the smell of flowers that foreigners are being strangled by.
我觉得这个问题很无礼。我从来没意识到我的同胞“有异味”。我确实在某处读到过，直到中世纪，英国人才开始洗澡，即使有些人开始洗澡，但几个世纪以来，大多数人每周也很少洗一次。而我们则一直都在洗澡，使用除臭剂和香水。所以也许正是花香让外国人感到窒息。
Agreed, the question and assumption (being that we wouldn’t wash regularly) are not only wrong but quite disrespectful.
同意，这个问题和假设（我们不会经常洗澡）不仅是错误的，而且相当不尊重人。
I totally agree you can't say that about a race of people based on a visit I have family in France and they are very particular about hygiene I think you owe that country an apology it doesn't cost anything to be kind
我完全同意，你不能仅凭一次访问就对某个种族的人做出这样的评价，我在法国有家人，他们非常注重卫生，我认为你欠那个国家一个道歉，善良是不需要你付出任何代价的。
French is not a “race,” it’s an ethnicity/culture.
法国人不是一个“种族”，而是一种民族/文化。
Well, 1918–30, Americans sometimes sang, ““The French they are a funny race, parley-vous?!”
好吧，1918到1930 年，美国人有时会唱道，“法国人真是一个有趣的种族，你们怎么看？！”
It depends on how well people are washing. Are they washing or doing a quick rinse?
这取决于人们怎么洗，是认真的洗还是快速冲洗？
I’ve only visited France in September, and don’t remember smelly people much in the autumn weather. Riding the subway in NYC, the only time it stinks is if an unwashed, mentally ill homeless person happens to be occupying space on a car or the platform. I have encountered really smelly Frenchmen who live in NYC, who simply do not use deodorants. One, in particular is a very skilled, successful artisan, who reeks of body odor. None of the craftsmen who work for and with him stinks. There are 360+million people living in the US. A few of them don’t bathe and deodorize, but the percentage of ordinary French whose cleanliness habits leave a great deal to be desired is vastly higher, much as it pains this Francophile to admit that.
我九月才去过法国，不记得秋天有身体发臭的人。在纽约乘坐地铁时，唯一会发臭的时候是碰到有精神病的流浪汉占据了车厢或站台。我遇到过住在纽约的身体真的很臭的法国人，他们根本不使用除臭剂。其中一位是一位非常熟练、成功的工匠，他浑身散发着体臭。和他一起工作的工匠都没有体臭。美国有 3.6 亿人。他们中的一些人不洗澡也不除臭，但普通法国人中清洁习惯很不尽如人意的比例要高得多，尽管作为一位法国文化爱好者，我很不想承认这一点。
Only dirty People wash themselves
只有脏人才会自己洗澡。哈哈哈。
Same here, in NYC. Why don’t Americans wash more regularly?
纽约也是这样。为什么美国人不经常洗澡？
Americans do wash regularly, perhaps the people you encounter do not wash regularly.
美国人确实经常洗澡，但也许你遇到的人并不经常洗澡。
It depends on the culture of some Americans. I shower 2x daily bc I teach, kids are full of germs and I like a clean body plus bed. Oh, and I live in the Midwest.
这取决于一些美国人的文化。我每天洗两次澡，因为我是老师，孩子们身上满是细菌，我喜欢干净的身体和床。哦，我住在中西部。
And the chlorine and other chemical in the US water will make your skin older faster.
还有，美国水中的氯和其他化学物质会使你的皮肤更快老化。
Really, you can make such a statement about French people in general! Amazing! When living in New York, I really remember the smell in the subway! It was not the greatest either! And the smell at most downtown stations in SFO are also quite bad! So please, stop ! Every places in this world as it’s smelly place! And America is not better!
真的，你居然能对法国人做出这样的评价！太神奇了！住在纽约的时候，我还记得地铁里的气味！那也不是气味最大的！旧金山国际机场大多数市中心车站的气味也相当难闻！所以，请别再这样了！世界上每个地方都是臭味十足的地方！美国也好不到哪里去！
I can’t stand the smell of Manhattan! All of it. Walking down the street smelled like a garbage dump.
我受不了曼哈顿的味道！所有地方的。走在街上，闻起来就像垃圾场的味道。
What a stereotypical question, and answer…! Both being probably fueled by those old American clichés. You’ll find smelly people all around the world you know : in Japan, in the US, and so on. The fact you came across some “immaculatey dressed but smelly man” doesn’t mean French in general don’t take a bath or change their clothes every day. You’re generalization based on the sole fact you cherry-picked some random cases in the subway is quite offensive indeed.
多么典型的问题和答案啊……！两者可能都受到那些老套的美国陈词滥调的推动。你知道，世界各地都有臭人：在日本、美国等等，都有。你遇到一些“衣着整洁但臭气熏天的男人”并不意味着法国人一般不洗澡或不每天换衣服。你仅仅根据你在地铁里随机挑选的一些案例就做出这样的概括确实很令人反感。
I am French, living in the US, with a Trumpist neighbor who doesn’t shower, doesn’t change and often pees himself or vomit on himself because of his drinking… that’s what my French family sees as the US when they visit us….
我是法国人，住在美国，有一个特朗普主义者邻居，他不洗澡，不换衣服，还经常因为喝酒而尿裤子或呕吐……这就是我的法国家人来拜访我们时看到的美国……