QA：我怎么样做才能让英国归还它抢夺的文物？
How do I get Britain to return the cultural relics it has seized?
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简单。
摧毁他们的经济，要做到这一点，你只需要照常过日子就好。
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How do I get Britain to return the cultural relics it has seized?
我怎么样做才能让英国归还它抢夺的文物？
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Easy.
Collapse their economy, to do this you just carry on as normal.
The UK economy is heading for massive massive shocks. Once they are in the shit, well they’re going to have less wiggle room.
I mean fuck me, I left in 2017 and a can of coke was 45–50p? I checked tesco’s website and it’s £1.55. They’ve pretty much gone through a tripling of prices in 7 years?
While that’s not hyperinflation it’s still pretty fucking bad.
简单。
摧毁他们的经济，要做到这一点，你只需要照常过日子就好。
英国经济正在经历大规模冲击。一旦他们陷入困境，他们的回旋余地就会减少。
我的意思是，操蛋的，我在2017年离开英国的时候，一罐可乐是45-50便士？我刚才查看了乐购的网站，一罐可乐的价格是1.55英镑。他们在7年内几乎经历了三倍的价格上涨？
虽然这不是恶性通货膨胀，但仍然相当糟糕。
YOU don't. If the country from which the relic came wants it back, its government will ask for it.
Lately the idea has spread that everything in the British Museum is stolen. This is not true, but only professionals are informed enough to know the difference. Random members of the general public who try to repatriate artifacts can, at best, only make a nuisance of themselves. Leave it to the pros.
你做不到。如果文物来自的国家想要归还，它的政府会对英国要求归还。
最近，大英博物馆里的所有东西都是偷来的的说法传开了。这不是真的。只有专业人士才能了解其中的区别。试图遣返文物的普通公众充其量只能制造麻烦。交给专业人士吧。
You don’t
你做不到。
The only cultural relics Britain has seized are those suspected of being involved in a crime. An essential part of the Investigation is always to identify the legal owner, and it is to the legal owner alone that the goods can be returned after investigation and/or prosecution. The state has no remit or budget for permanent retention.
英国夺取的唯一文物是涉嫌犯罪的文物。
调查此事的一个重要部分，始终都是确定合法所有人，只有合法所有人才能在调查和/或起诉后要求退还货物。
国家没有永久保留的职权或预算。
I don’t think an individual like you can achieve the obxtive on your own. The best strategy might be to join a political party and agitate for the changes you seek.
我认为像你这样的人单靠自己是无法实现目标的。最好的策略可能是加入一个政党，为你所要寻求的改变而鼓动他人。
Why don’t you try to get other countries to do the same? The Louvre is packed with stuff Napoleon had stolen to order, with not even a vestige of a purchase or gift - his people stripped Venice by force, and France never seems to be urged to return even a fraction of it. An international agreement with an agreed basis for judging what could or should be returned and in what circumstances might just work.
你为什么不试着让其他国家也归还文物呢？
卢浮宫里堆满了拿破仑偷来的东西，甚至没有任何一个有购买和礼物的痕迹——他的人民强行剥夺了威尼斯，法国似乎从未被敦促归还其中的一小部分。
一项国际协议，有一个商定的基础来判断什么可以或应该归还，在什么情况下可能会奏效。
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You mean cultural artifacts that were bought, given as gifts or found and saved from destruction?
你是说那些被购买、作为礼物赠送或被发现并免遭破坏的文物吗？
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You would have to be proved they had been seized, and not purchased legitimately from a curio shop.
你必须证明它们是被抢夺的，而不是从古董店合法购买的。
First of all it's got nothing to do with you. Secondly how can I get China and other such countries to return cultural relics they have seized?
首先，这与你无关。
第二，我怎样才能让中国和其他这样的国家归还他们抢夺的文物呢？
How far back does this “returning items seized go back”?! So the UK had the biggest empire for a time, so what!? Rome once had a huge empire, Holland etc. They will have taken items from countries they invaded etc. How far back in history do you go? Shall we say 1000BC? That’s going to be a lot of items being handed around, what about land, do we give that back!?
这种“归还被扣押的物品可以追溯到多久以前”？！
英国有一段时间是最大的帝国，那又怎样！？
罗马曾经是一个庞大的帝国，荷兰等也是。他们 也从他们入侵的国家拿走了物品。
你在历史上走了多远？我们说公元前1000年好吗？这将有很多物品被移交。
那么土地呢？我们要归还吗！？
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Britain is not the only country in the world to have taken cultural relics from other countries. Your question should therfore be broader.
Britain has, unlike many other countries, already returned a number of cultural relics already.
英国并不是世界上唯一一个从其他国家拿走文物的国家。因此，你的问题应该更广泛。
与许多其他国家不同，英国已经归还了一些文物。
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Let's see… you could present an itemised list, that would be a start.
You see we have quite a lot of them and many of the original documents have been mislaid.
让我们看看……你应该逐项列出一个清单，这将是一个开始。
你看，我们有很多这样的文件，许多原始文件都放错了地方。
PS
The problem with all such blanket claims of the ‘Britain stole everything’ sort is - unsurprisingly - there are no end of ‘claimants’ AKA ‘con artists’ who either sincerely believe whatever anyone else possesses, they must inevitably have come by dishonestly or at least can simulate the pose of outraged amour prop to professional criminal standards sufficient to make a dishonest living.
Of whom a good number conversely affect to sincerely believe that they, and they alone, are uniquely placed to decide who is to fence the loot, and so earn an appropriately generous finder's fee.
One they will, in criminal court, swear blind they thought was entirely honestly come by…
不出所料，所有这些“英国偷走了一切”的笼统说法的问题在于，“索赔人”（又名“骗子”）没完没了的出现，他们要么真诚地相信别人拥有的任何东西都是他的，要么必然是不诚实的，要么至少是拿着愤怒的道具、做足姿态希望过上不诚实生活的职业犯罪。
相反，他们中的很多人会真诚地相信，只有他们才能决定应该由谁来保护战利品，从而获得适当慷慨的发现者费用。
他们会在刑事法庭上盲目发誓，他们认为这是完全诚实的……
So more anti-British racism.
Which cultural relics?
At the time they were acquired there were no laws prohibiting removal from their countries of origin and many were sold to the UK, and other places, by the leaders of those countries of origin. There is also the question of time. How many generations does one wait before trying to claim back an allegedly stolen item? one? five? ten? Is it right to punish the descendants of those who acquired the items?
Should one recompense Britain for the the large amounts of money spent on developing and implementing the techniques required to clean, display and preserve historical artefacts?
Are the countries to which they are being returned able to store and preserve them properly? If not then sending them back is putting these artefacts at risk.
It is a ridiculous idea.
所以，这是更多的反英种族主义。
哪些文物？
在他们被收购时，没有法律禁止出售，说要将他们遣返原籍国，许多文物都是被这些原籍国的领导人卖给了英国和其他人。
还有时间问题。要多少代人还能要求取回据称被盗的物品？一？五？十？惩罚那些获得这些物品的人的后代是正确的吗？
人们是否应该补偿英国在开发和实施清洁、展示和保护历史文物所需的技术上花费的大量资金？
它们被送回的国家能够妥善储存和保存它们吗？如果不这样做，那么将它们送回就是将这些文物置于危险之中。
这是一个荒谬的想法。
I'd say:
Identify your cultural relic.
Work out in what way it was illegally taken.
Work out who it was taken from
Work out who has the strongest claim to own it now.
Show how they will protect and look after the relic as well as it is currently kept.
Persuade the UK public that returning the relic is the right thing to do.
我想说：
1、识别你的文物。
2、弄清楚它是以什么方式被非法拿走的。
3、找出它是从谁那里拿走的
4、找出现在谁最有权拥有它。
5、展示他们将如何保护和照顾文物以及目前保存的文物。
6、说服英国公众，让他们认识到归还文物才是正确的做法。
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Try paying us for the legally bought ones and storage/preservation for all.
Pay your own transport too
试着为我们支付合法购买物品的价格，还有所有物品的储存和保管费用。
自己付运输费。
Please specify, it has to be case-by-case.
请具体说明，必须逐个说明。
You don’t. Mind your own business.
你做不到。管好你自己的事。
Who are you that makes you think you may have any influence over what the UK either will or will not do?
你认为你是谁，是什么让你觉得你有影响力来决定英国该做什么、不该做什么？
You have to buy them back from the British Museum of course.
当然，你必须从大英博物馆买回来。
You don't “get” to do anything
你没资格做任何事。
Whose cultural relics have Britain seized?
英国抢夺了谁的文物？
You? You don’t. You’re a pointless clunge
你吗？你做不到。你就是个毫无益处的笨蛋。