巴基斯坦网友看J10-C，今天是我人生中最好的一天！

TopGun786
That is so beautiful. Ma Shaa Allah. Alhumdulillah
 
太美了！！
 
Desert Fox 1
Reichsmarschall said:
Fresh new footage of J10CP
Why have they not yet received the tail markings of their respective squadron?
 
J10CP的新镜头
为什么他们还没有收到各自中队的尾标？
 
SQ8 said:
What helmet is that in the video? Any idea?
Yes, that's the TK-31 light-weight helmet
 
视频里那个是什么头盔？有谁知道吗？
我知道，是TK-31轻型头盔

RupprechtDeino
I'm not sure about the mask and even lesser on calling it a rip-off since most these items look similar.
Anyway the helmet is called TK-31 and is the standard PLA light-weight helmet in use for nearly all types including the J-20, J-15, J-11 and J-10C.
 
我不太确定这个头盔的具体型号，更别说它是不是骗人的，因为这些东西看起来都差不多。
无论如何，这种头盔被称为TK-31，是标准的PLA轻型头盔，用于包括J-20、J-15、J-11和J-10C在内的几乎所有类型。
 
Reichsmarschall
Does it have hmd/jhmcs capability?
 
它具有hmd/jhmcs功能吗？（头盔显示器）
 
Tariq Habib Afridi
I guess no. However i maybe wrong
 
我想没有这个功能。不过我也可能错了
 
Luciferdd
Yes,but pilots usually wear a light-wheight helmet when it's unnecessary.
 
也许没有，但飞行员在不必要的时候，通常会戴轻型头盔。

devil302
So these are pl-15E with reduces range of 145km..
 
这些是pl-15E，射程缩短到145公里……难过表情
 
Salza
PL15 won't be displayed openly like pl15e. Rest assured, sufficient stocks of pl15 are there too.
 
PL15不会像pl15e那样公开展示。请放心，那里也有足够的pl15库存。
 

Salza
Have we ever displayed our full capability before? No. Let's say we are getting 100 pl15s missiles package. 50 will be pl15E remaining 50 will be pl15.
 
我们以前展示过我们的全部能力吗？不，假设我们得到了100枚pl15s导弹。50个将是pl15E，剩下的50个将是pl15。
 
Bleek
Also it's unclear whether that 'E' is supposed to be part of the following code or represent 'export'.
I guess we just have to wait and see.
 
也不清楚这个“E”是应该是标识的一部分，还是代表“出口”的意思。
我想我们只能耐心等着看了。
 
Aesterix
4x PL-15E Per ship is quite significant fire power in BVR domain.
 
每架飞机装载4枚PL-15E，在超视距领域是相当重要的火力。
 
Cssniper
The racks seem to be newly designed.
 
这些导弹发射架子似乎是新设计的。
 
GumNaam
you see 4 PL15s, I see 4 dead rafales.
by the way, those look like regular flight helmets, not HMDs...
 
你看到4架PL15s，但我却看到4架死亡的阵风。
顺便说一下，那些看起来像普通的飞行头盔，而不是头盔显示器……
 
AMRAAM
Any pictures of the helmet walk? People are talking about it but no pic so far on at least the last 3-4 pages.
 
有头盔阅兵的照片吗？人们一直在谈论它，但是至少在最后讨论的3-4页新消息上还没有看到图片。

TopGun786
Which missiles we got then? PL-15? or something esle?
 
我们有哪些导弹？PL-15？还是别的什么？
 
Salza
Yes these same missiles pl15s or SD10B.
 
这些导弹是pl15s或SD10B。
 
TopGun786
So you mean SD-10A is PL-12 ... and SD-10B is PL15, right?
 
所以你的意思是SD-10A是PL-12……而SD-10B就是PL15吧？
 
Rahil khan
Congratulations to Pakistan Airforce for this excellent timely purchase. It's been a long wait. J-10 nay bohat wait karwaya bhaiyoo. I hope this combination of medium and light weight fighter planes would become more lethal to maitain our strategic balance. So proud of our men in blue.
 
祝贺巴基斯坦空军这次出色及时的采购。我已经等了很久了。
我希望这种中型和轻型战斗机的组合，会让我们的战略威慑变得更加致命。为我们的蓝天战士感到骄傲。
 
Deino
Wow… what a day, and I am still at school
 
哇……多么美好的一天，我还在学校
 
Beast
Good.. No Martin Baker ejection seat!
One targeting pod and one jammer can still carry at main body fuselage, together with two 185kg laser guided bomb....
 
很棒……可惜没有马丁·贝克弹射座椅！
不过仍然可以在主体机身携带一个瞄准吊舱和一个干扰机，连同两个185公斤激光制导炸弹……
 
Mumm-Ra
Its a great day for PAF and Pakistan...But this just gives imperial Tie fighter vibes
 
这是巴基斯坦空军和巴基斯坦伟大的一天……因为这带来了帝国的武力荣耀
 
Ghessan
i really like dual rack PL-15 demonstration today. just imagine how are they running lungi utha k,
28 guests and we say: "jee ayaan nu"
 
我非常喜欢今天的双发PL-15演示，想象一下它们发射出去的感觉。

Cash GK
Pm pilot Khan lol. Deadly combination this machine and Pakistani pilots.
 
这架战机和巴基斯坦飞行员将是致命组合。
 
Nefarious
Anyone know what engines they came with?
 
有人知道他们用的是什么引擎吗？
 
ELITE MEMBER
Can the inner pylon of J10c mount dual rack for 2PL15? I only saw laser bombs and fuel tanks on it.
 
J10c的内置挂架可以为PL15挂载双发吗？我只在上面看到了激光炸弹和油箱。

kursed
So, anyone who was following PAF... in the 90s.. can you believe your eyes today? =)
 
所以，任何关注巴基斯坦空军的人……从90年代开始……你能相信今天自己的眼睛吗？
 
Windjammer
Da Afreen, per thora Naswar miley gi.
 
一个真正的朋友。
 
Ghessan
kursed said:
So, anyone who was following PAF... in the 90s.. can you believe your eyes today? =)
i'm the one ...
i was first mesmerized by mirages in the seventies when first saw them flying low over the compound of our house.
then eighties with F-16 induction.
and then nervous nineties came ... and we all feel the heat.
i would say, today PAF going in full swing to bear fruit on several fronts undergoing in air and space domain.
this is our day.
 
我就是你说的那个人……
我第一次被战斗机迷住是在70年代，当时我第一次看到它们在我家大院上空低飞。
然后八十年代迷上F-16。
然后紧张的九十年代来了……我们都感受到了战斗机的热度。
我想说，今天，巴基斯坦空军正如火如荼地在航空和航天领域的几个方面取得成果。
这是属于我们的一天。
 
 
Readerdefence
Hi Deino any idea how many Months of training for a pilot to be trained for j10
looks Like PAF is getting trained on Chinese j10s before 2022
if possible to answer
thank you
 
嗨，Deino，你知道一个飞行员要为j10单独训练几个月吗？
看起来巴基斯坦空军在2022年之前就接受完了中国j10的训练
如果可能的话，请你回答我的疑问
谢谢你
 
Windjammer
General Sahib, how about a trip to Delhi.
 
将军，去趟德里怎么样？

GeraltofRivia
Congratulations for the successful induction of beautiful birds, best wishes!:pakistanchina:
 
恭喜如此美丽的鸟成功入职，祝福！巴基斯坦和中国摇旗！
 
Stealth
That green HUD literally push me to go to the washroom for something ... --------------SEXYYYYYYYYYYYYYY baby
 
那个绿色（天蓝色吧？）的机体真的会让我去洗手间……超超超超级性感的宝贝！

leviathan
Bro, are you guys able to find out the maximum power of the ws10AorB engine on J10CP? 132kn or 140kn? It's still a mystery for Chinese Militray fan and have been debating it for past 10 years.
Please help us. :cheesy:
 
兄弟，你们能找出J10CP上ws10A或者B发动机的最大功率吗？132kn还是140kn？对于中国的军事迷来说，这也仍然是一个谜，并且已经争论了10年。
请帮助我们。

Windjammer
THE RAFALE RIPPER.
 
阵风开膛手。

MM_Haider
miss you F16...
 
F16，我们会想你的……

Jinn Baba
What an AMAZING start to my day
 
我今天有了一个多么惊人的美好开始
 
Windjammer
Oh yara, there are countries in better economic shape than us who are still inducting F-16s, Grippen and Rafales which are a lot more expensive, we needed to replace the Mirages and also something with a big stick... This was the best option.
F-16s aren't going anywhere. In fact it were F-16s which escorted the J-10s into Pakistan.
 
哦，亚拉，有些国家的经济状况比我们好，他们仍然一直在引进F-16，Grippen和阵风，这些都要贵得多，我们需要替换幻影和一些大块头……J10C是最好的选择。
而且f-16不会去任何地方。事实上是F-16护送J-10进入巴基斯坦。
 
Hareeb
Can J-10C carry PL-21 and any possibility of PL-21 integration in future?
 
J-10C能携带PL-21吗？将来有没有整合PL-21的可能性？
 
Stealth
Recent inductions J10Cs, TB2 & CH4B UCAVs, HQ9B SAMs, AIP Yuan Class, Milgem & Type 054A/P, YLC8E VHF radars, establishing C4ISR ISTAR CC for COIN Ops. I mean….
btw ye koi mazak horaha thay matlab free may yaa loan pe b koi nahe daysakhta even China b nahe.... To FBR pata karwaoo ye paisa kahan say araha hey lol ....
damn formidable force. Apart from non-conventional, Pakistan now has enough capabilities in kinetic warfare (conventional) to hit any country anytime anywhere whosoever in its range.
 
最近引进的J10Cs，TB2 & CH4B无人作战飞机，HQ9B地对空导弹，AIP，Milgem 和054A，YLC8E高频雷达，建立了用于COIN Ops的C4ISR ISTAR CC。我的意思是…
这段看不懂！
这些是一种可怕的力量。除了非常规武器，巴基斯坦现在拥有足够的动能战(常规)能力，可以在任何时间、任何地点、任何人的射程范围内打击任何国家。

Bilal.
+ SH15 artillery, VT4 tank, Yarmook Class OPV, additional Erieyes, and Z10ME in pipeline.
 
还要加上 SH15火炮，VT4坦克，Yarmook级OPV，额外的Erieyes，以及正在计划中的Z10ME。
 
Kaleem.61
A while ago I saw an Indian comparing MK2 with J10C and SU30 with J20 even claimed SU30 can see J20. Hilarious!
The Indian government has turned a blind eye to the overwhelming military and tactical advantage India enjoys over China in Ladakh and Tibet region.
 
前阵子，我看到一个印度人比较MK2和J10C，SU30和J20，甚至声称SU30可以看到J20。爆笑！
还有印度政府对他们印度在拉达克和中国西藏地区享有的压倒性军事和战术优势视而不见，竟然没有大范围宣传。
 
译注：以下为印度人评论转载
The strongest fighter plane in IAF is Sukhoi 30 MKI as compared to J-20 of China. While J-20 boasts of it’s stealth characters Su-30 is able to see them on radar. SU-30 is an interceptor as well as air superiority fighter plane and is a supersonic aircraft.
Taking all these factors India looks stronger than china.
 
与中国的J-20相比，印度空军最强的战斗机是MKI的苏霍伊30。当歼20吹嘘它的隐形性能时，苏30却能在雷达上看到它们。苏-30既是截击机又是空中优势战斗机，是一种超音速飞机。
考虑到所有这些因素，印度看起来比中国更强大。
 
siegecrossbow
PL-15 and PL-10. Don’t know how it works in Pakistan but in PLAAF, white missiles are live missiles. Blue ones are training rounds.
 
PL-15和PL-10。我不知道巴基斯坦是怎么做的，但是在中国人那边，白色导弹才是真的导弹，蓝色的是训练弹。
 
Bleek
Haven't we had the HQ-9P for a while already?
 
我们不是已经有HQ-9P一段时间了吗？
 
Falcon26
I wish PAF a follows its own conventions and protocols about missiles. I am not a big fan of the Chinese style of coloring missiles different from the plane.
No need to change a perfect protocol
 
我希望巴基斯坦空军能遵守自己的导弹公约和协议。我不太喜欢中国人那种给导弹涂上不同于飞机的颜色。
没有必要改变我们自己的完美协议。

serenity
Short and stocky pilots make the best fighter pilots actually.
Tall and skinny is the worst for dealing with G forces.
 
矮壮的飞行员实际上才是最好的战斗机飞行员。
瘦高个最不适合应对重力。
 
siegecrossbow
Don't forget thick necks.
Sexy beast
 
别忘了还有粗脖子。
不过J10是一只性感野兽
 
Riz
But where are Jf-17 block 3 ??
 
但是Jf-17 block 3在哪里？？
 
ZY-CN-CA
Want to know F16 VS J10Cwhich one is better,Which on pilots prefer to fly~
not very sure-WS10B-144kn
 
想知道F16和j10c哪个更好，飞行员更喜欢飞哪个~
不太确定J10发动机是否是WS10B-144kn
 
maverick1977
Wow Seeing dual rack PL15…
can some one share or make missile configuration options on pylons in graphics form .. i can see a total of 8 total PL15 per aircrafts ???????
 
哇！我竟然看到了双机架PL15…
有人能以图形的形式在论坛上分享，或制作导弹配置选项吗？我可以看到每架飞机总共有8架PL15？？？？？？？
 
Deltadart
Thank you , deltas, thunders, falcons, and now vigorous dragons for protecting the motherland.
May Allah always keep you in his protection. Ameen.
 
感谢你们，德尔塔、雷霆、猎鹰，现在还有轰轰烈烈的龙，保护了我们的祖国。
愿真主永远保护你。阿门。
 
siegecrossbow
Inner pylons could theoretically be made missile adaptable but the process takes so long that it is impractical.
Why is that?
It's an issue with the design. Do keep in mind that the basic airfrx was first developed in the late 1990s.
 
理论上，内部挂架可以改造成导弹用的，但是这个过程需要很长时间，不切实际。
回复他人：这是为什么呢？
这是设计的问题。请记住，J10的基本机体是在20世纪90年代末首次开发的。
 
Deino
From what I read, the fuel tanks are attached in a way that they are not simply detached but they are connected in quite a complicate way. So if you want to remove the tanks, certain panels on top of the wings need to be opened ... and so on, so that most often they are left as they are.
I think somewhere on my harddrive I have an image showing that ...
 
据我所知，油箱的连接方式不是简单的拆卸，而是以一种非常复杂的方式连接。因此，如果你想移除油箱，机翼顶部的某些面板需要打开……以此类推，以至于大多数情况下它们都会保持原样。
我想在我硬盘的某个地方有一张图片显示了这些……找不到了
 
ELITE MEMBER
But picture shows the inner pylon of J10c can carry laser bomb, why not PL15?
 
但是图片显示J10c的内挂架可以携带激光炸弹，PL15为什么不可以？
 
ghazi52
Congratulations!!
 
祝贺！！
 
GOAT
Quite intriguing to see PL-15E on the planes and not PL-15. Perhaps the Chinese still did not want to sell the PL-15? Or perhaps PAF has assessed that the PL-15E are sufficient for the threat environment.
I suppose China may be willing to provide the non-export variants during a war time scenario?
 
在飞机上看到PL-15E而不是PL-15非常有趣。也许中国人仍然不想出售PL-15？或者也许巴基斯坦空军已经评估出PL-15E足以应对威胁环境。
我想中国可能愿意在战争期间提供非出口型产品？
 
siegecrossbow
I have a theory, and this is based on what China has done with long range guided rocket artillery. The dual-pulse motor is still there. However, there is a software toggle preventing it from being activated in the export version. If the situation is dire, the override switch could be provided.
 
我有一个理论，这个理论是基于中国在远程制导火箭炮方面的成就。双脉冲马达其实还在。但是，有一个软件开关阻止它在外贸版本中被激活。如果情况危急，可以提供超控开关。
 
GOAT
That is a really interesting theory. Thanks for sharing.
 
这真是一个有趣的理论。感谢分享。

Char
How long have Pakistani pilots been training in China?
 
巴基斯坦飞行员在中国训练多久了？
 
siegecrossbow
Long enough that they had to bring their family members, who went on a crazy electronics shopping spree in Chengdu.
 
时间长到他们不得不带着家人去成都疯狂购买电子产品。
 
FULL MEMBER
Just curious, but how do you distinguish between PL-15 and PL-15E?
 
只是个人好奇，但是PL-15和PL-15E怎么区分呢？

TaimiKhan
For now a full sqn plus few more. Somewhere around the 25-26 figure.
 
现在是一个完整的编队。最终会大约在25-26架之间。
 
MisterSyed
What is a JF17 Lift? Bit Unrelated but somebody posted a list of tech here we are getting soon. And there it was Jf17 Super Thunder Block 3, which i get it must be a mistake, but also a Jf17 LIFT. Thanks.
 
JF17配件升级？虽然我的评论有点不相关，但有人在这里贴了一张我们很快就会得到的技术清单，里面是Jf17超级雷霆3，我知道肯定是一个错误，但也是一个新的Jf17。谢谢。
 
Deino
I thought there were reports about more ... many more in fact!
 
我以为比报道上的更多……但事实上最终的数量比我以为的更多！
 
siegecrossbow
Twin seater.
 
双座！！
 
Windjammer
Lethal yet Gracefull.
 
致命但优雅。
 
Zarvan
Pakistan Air Force confirms J-10 C, HQ 9, WING LONG 2, TB 2 Baraytkar and Akinci along with a new radar and also Cyber and Space commands
 
巴基斯坦空军确认了J-10 C，HQ 9，翼龙2，TB 2 Baraytkar和Akinci以及一个新的雷达，还有网络和空间指挥中心（战术电子中心）
 
YurtDefence
J-10 is a beautiful plane. May it serve Pakistan well.
 
歼10是一架漂亮的飞机。愿它为巴基斯坦服务。
 
UKBengali
Great plane and an excellent addition to PAF.
 
伟大的飞机，给巴基斯坦空军一个大大的点赞。

Farzana Shah
Look at the payload
PL-15 on dual racks & PL-10E. PAF.
4x BVRAAM
2x WVRAAM
PAF J-10C
Thank you China
 
看看具体的有效载荷
PL-15双机架和PL-10E。
4 x BVRAAM
2 x WVRAAM
J-10C
谢谢你，中国
 
RRedline
J-10C, a very nice looking plane!
 
J-10C，一架非常好看的飞机！
 
Nida Sheikh
There is no power on earth that can undo Pakistan. Each woman, child is standing as well with our forces and will defend Pakistan at all fronts!!!!!
 
世界上没有任何力量可以摧毁巴基斯坦。每个妇女和孩子都与我们的军队站在一起，将在所有战线上保卫巴基斯坦！！！
 
M.Nouman Atif
Good to see that our Armed Forces are so professional, discipline and strong. Feeling proud. Long Live Pakistan.
 
很高兴看到我们的军队如此专业、纪律和强大。感到自豪。巴基斯坦万岁。
 
M.Nouman Atif
We are proud of our Pakistan Air Force. Long Live Pakistan
 
我们为巴基斯坦空军感到骄傲。巴基斯坦万岁
 
Rao Adnan Legend
Best Air force of Pakistan Forever, Salute to Pak Air Force......
 
巴基斯坦空军永远是最好的空军，向巴基斯坦空军致敬……
 
M.Nouman Atif
Congratulations to Pakistan Air Force for adding another strong J-10C into their aircrafts. Keep it up
 
祝贺巴基斯坦空军在飞机上又增加了强大的J-10C。继续下去

Clēmentis
Oh I see the excellent swords - PL-10 and PL-15!!!!! China only give those SAM to her brother country - Great Pakistan!!!
 
哦，我看到了优秀的利剑，PL-10和PL-15！！！！中国只把导弹送给她的兄弟国家，伟大的巴基斯坦！！

AsifIjaz
If I am not mistaken J10 carries significant amount of fuel in the wings.. infact if I am not mistaken then amongst similar weight airctaft, it is comparatively on the higher side. Please correct me if I am wrong here.
Also, without the inner most pylons carrying fuel tanks, what would be the range solely based on internal fuel?
The reason I ask this is because unlike China, Pakistan may not need longer legs and if required then we can have the mid fuselage pylon carry a single fuel tank. This way we can use the inner most pylon for pods or may be design a different dual rack (e.g. vertical racks or dissimilar configuration) where the fuselage or the landing gear does not hamper carrying 2 missiles or a pod or any combination of missile.
Would love to hear thought or why we can't do this with J10-CP
 
如果我没有弄错的话，J10的机翼携带了大量的燃油……事实上，如果我没弄错的话，在同等重量的飞机中，价格也相对偏高。如果我在这里错了，请纠正我。
此外，如果没有最里面的挂架携带燃料箱，仅基于内部燃料的航程会是多少？
我问这个问题的原因是因为不像中国，巴基斯坦可能不需要更长的腿，如果需要的话，我们可以让中机身挂架携带一个油箱。通过这种方式，我们可以使用最里面的挂架用于吊舱，或者可以设计不同的双挂架(例如垂直挂架或不同的配置)，其中机身或起落架不会妨碍携带2枚导弹或一个吊舱或导弹的任何组合。
很想听听大家的想法，或者为什么我们不能用J10-CP做到这一点
 
maverick1977
The cockpit has a green hue ! ?????? what kind of tainted cockpit is it? benefits besides UV protection ?
Any chatter in foreign media, specifically from the jealous neighbor ?
 
驾驶舱是绿色的！？？？？？？这是什么样的污染驾驶舱？除了防紫外线还有什么好处？
外国媒体上有什么消息吗？特别是那个嫉妒的邻居（印度）？
 
KampfAlwin
Its canopy is likely coated with Indium-Tin-Oxide. It helps reflect radar waves, making the jet more stealthy. The green hue is the HUD
 
它的顶盖可能涂有氧化铟锡。它有助于反射雷达波，使飞机更加隐蔽。绿色是平视显示器
 
MastanKhan
It was never about the performance gap---but the NUMBERS GAP.
It is always about the numbers gap---read up on nations and wars---it is always about the numbers and how they are used.
The Paf was always below par in numbers in 4th gen aircraft.
I have shared many a times---if you have 5 machine guns---and you add 5 more machine guns---it makes 100% increase in firepower and capabilities and may have a 500% increase in a force multiplier effect---.
It may also have massive "pucker effect" on the enemy.
The FORCE MULTIPLIER effect is the most important aspect in this numbers game of in parallel increase in power.
 
这从来不是性能表现差距的问题，而是数字差距的问题。
这总是与数字差距有关——仔细研究国家和战争——总是与数字，和数字的使用方式有关。
巴基斯坦空军在第四代飞机的数量上总是低于平均水平。
我已经说过很多次了，如果你有5把机枪，你再增加5把机枪，你的火力和能力就会增加100%，力量倍增率可能会增加500%。
它也可能对敌人产生巨大的“噘嘴效应”（让敌人嫉妒）。
力量倍增效应是这个平行增加力量的数字游戏中最重要的方面。