人们认为印度软件工程师优于中国工程师的原因是什么，尽管在硅谷（美国）的印度人数超过中国人？
What is the reason behind the belief that Indian software engineers are superior to Chinese engineers, even though there are more Indians than Chinese in Silicon Valley (USA)?
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人们认为印度软件工程师优于中国工程师的原因是什么，尽管在硅谷的印度人数超过中国人？
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Chinese engineers are good at manufacturing hardware and building infrastructure. They may be excelling in core engineering.
Many software developers cannot be called engineers.
Many people who get engg. degrees in India are not interested in doing core engineering work.
中国工程师擅长制造硬件和建设基础设施，在核心工程方面表现出色。许多软件开发人员不能被称为工程师。在印度，许多获得工程学位的人并不热衷于从事核心工程工作。
Chinese engineers are good at manufacturing hardware and building infrastructure. They may be excelling in core engineering.
Many software developers cannot be called engineers.
Many people who get engg. degrees in India are not interested in doing core engineering work.
中国工程师擅长制造硬件和建设基础设施，在核心工程方面表现出色。许多软件开发人员不能被称为工程师。在印度，许多获得工程学位的人并不热衷于从事核心工程工作。
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I judge a nations capabilities solely by their ability to develop Indigenous Technology
I don't even ask for the best technology in the planet. I ask for technology that is applicable enough and basic enough to fulfill its purpose
我判断一个国家的能力完全取决于他们开发自主技术的能力。我并不要求世界上最好的技术，而是要求足够实用和基础的技术，以满足其目的。
Indias Software Industry is almost 30 years old
That's a long time and Software and Hardware have both evolved over several generations in this period
What has the Indian Software Industry actually achieved?
The Best example was a few months ago when a small Microsoft upgrade issue resulted in Indian Airlines forced to write stuff in pens and cancel flights and helplessly say “Server down sir”
The Chinese were grinning and their flights flew like clockwork because they had Indigenous Software
印度的软件产业几乎已有30年的历史。这段时间很长，软件和硬件都在几代人中不断演变。那么，印度软件产业到底取得了什么成就呢？最好的例子是几个月前，一次小的微软升级问题导致印度航空不得不手写航班信息，取消航班，并无奈地说“服务器瘫痪了，先生”。而中国的航空公司则微笑着，他们的航班一切如常，因为他们拥有自主研发的软件。
Forget Military Grade Servers, we don't even have fully Indigenous Structural Software for Defense. Even that is in collaboration with the Israelis.
So how are Indian Software Engineers superior in any way?
我们是一个主要用于项目管理和创建服务生态系统的国家，依赖西方的核心软件和西方的硬件。忘掉军用级服务器吧，我们甚至没有完全自主的防御结构软件，这些软件都是与以色列合作开发的。那么，印度的软件工程师在任何方面有何优越之处呢？
As late as 2009, they were still quite behind us in Software and their Software efforts were laughable
Yet today their IOT work and their Software is top notch in most areas
中国在我们之后大约晚了15年开始发展。到2009年，他们在软件领域仍然远远落后于我们，软件开发的努力甚至可笑。然而，如今他们在物联网和软件领域的工作在大多数领域都是顶尖的。
They have their own Structural Software
Their Key Industries all run on Indigenous Cloud & Indigenous Programming & Indigenous Servers with Inspur,H3C, Huawei & Sugon as well as Loongson, Shenwei & Feiteng processors
他们几乎拥有20款持续开发的自主工具，包括ALISQL、XJAVA、WUCHING和RocketMQ。他们拥有自己的结构软件。关键产业都运行在自主云、自主编程和自主服务器上，使用的是浪潮、H3C、华为和Sugon，以及龙芯、神威和飞腾处理器。
Yet the biggest difference between the Indian and Chinese is that
Even with all these achievements in less than 15 years, the Chinese still always say “WE HAVE TO CATCH UP, WE HAVE A LOT TO DO”
Even with ZERO ACHIEVEMENTS in the past 30 years beyond mostly writing coolie code for the White man - we Indians always say “SILICON VALLEY, SOFTWARE GIANTS, IT GIANT, SUPERIOR SOFTWARE SKILLS ETC”
然而，印度和中国之间最大的区别在于：尽管在不到15年的时间里取得了如此多的成就，中国人仍然总是说“我们必须赶上，还有很多工作要做”。而我们印度人则在过去30年里几乎没有任何成就，除了为西方人编写苦力代码，却总是自夸“硅谷、软件巨头、IT巨头、卓越的软件技能”等等。
So Indians must STFU and do something worthwhile and then other countries will talk of our software skills
The day US bans Indian Software Or Indian IT companies, that's the sign that WE HAVE MADE IT Or WE ARE GETTING THERE
当然，总会有人说“UPI，UPI，UPI”，这是对印度平庸的唯一辩护。因此，印度人必须闭嘴，做一些有价值的事情，这样其他国家才会谈论我们的软件技能。美国一旦禁止印度软件或印度IT公司，那就是我们成功或正在走向成功的标志。
Most of the work done in Indian IT companies is maintainence and writing business logic on top of systems built in the western world. Now with AI entering the field even 50 percent of writing business logic will become automated.
印度IT公司大部分的工作是维护和在西方世界构建的系统上编写业务逻辑。如今，随着人工智能的进入，甚至有50%的业务逻辑编写将变得自动化。
The new job for software engineer will be quality assurance folks. Have anyone seen business logic defined by business and maintain by business. It's usually a disaster, and those business folks either become pseudo software engineer with a background in process engineering. The tools keep changing, but the role morph accordingly. Only those unchanging and not able to adapt gets culled, change is pretty brutal.
软件工程师的新工作将是质量保证。有没有人见过由业务定义并由业务维护的业务逻辑？通常这是个灾难，而那些业务人员要么成为伪软件工程师，要么有过程工程的背景。工具不断变化，但角色也随之演变。只有那些不变且无法适应的人会被淘汰，变化是相当残酷的。
I have worked with both Chinese and Indian Engineers, the difference is these days Indian engineers graduate from call centers and Chinese engineers graduate from engineering schools.
我曾与中国和印度的工程师合作，区别在于如今印度的工程师大多是从呼叫中心毕业的，而中国的工程师则是从工程学院毕业的。
Answer is simple - the west pays good money which the IT industry runs on. Now Middle East is a good market Let the Chinese or the Japs pay that quantum of money to me to meet my bills and lifestyle needs, and I will gladly switch to them.
答案很简单——西方支付高额薪资，这也是IT行业运作的基础。现在中东市场也不错。如果中国或日本愿意给我支付相应的薪水来满足我的账单和生活需求，我会很高兴地转向他们。
West doesn't really pay good for Indians. Payscale for devs from India in those companies are not on par with somebody working from UK or US. It's just the exchange rate difference from INR to USD, GBP and Euros makes you think it's huge.
西方并没有真的给印度人支付很高的薪水。在那些公司的印度开发人员的薪资水平与在英国或美国工作的人并不相当。只是从印度卢比到美元、英镑和欧元的汇率差异让你觉得差距很大。
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It still helps us lead a decent lifestyle right?. Let the Chinese offer competitive packages for a comparison. Who stopped them?
这仍然帮助我们过上体面的生活，对吧？让中国提供有竞争力的薪资来做比较。谁阻止了他们？
Simple answer- we know English and do what pays more with full dedication
简单的回答——我们会说英语，努力做能赚更多钱的工作。
It's more like we do what requires least effort and pays the most
更确切地说，我们做的是花费最少努力且薪水最高的工作。
Software development isn't easy
It's a very tiring job and that you have to be constantly upxed with the industry
软件开发并不简单。这是一项非常辛苦的工作，而且你必须不断跟进行业动态。
Maybe software dev job is tiring, stress inducing and sometimes monotonous but learning curve is not steep as say electronics, electrical, VLSI design and many other engg fields.
也许软件开发工作是累人的，容易产生压力，有时还很单调，但学习曲线并不像电子、电气、VLSI设计和许多其他工程领域那样陡峭。
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"How long will it take for the USA to ban BYD like Huawei, or to restrict BYD from Google services?"
美国会多久禁止比亚迪像禁止华为一样，或者限制比亚迪使用谷歌服务？
How come India fall behind world to such an extent that we are literally 30 years behind in terms of software technology. This society seriously need a reboot . Enormous amount of reboot seems promising to me at this point.India population might be inefficient and selfish without any sense of nationality but the land we inhabit is still full of resources. Just waiting for their right owners just like what happened with America 4 century ago. If we failed to adjust ourselves to progress , somebody else will kick our ass and our race will become a history. People are too individualistic to understand this .
为什么印度在软件技术方面落后于世界如此之多，以至于我们在这方面实际上落后了30年？这个社会真的需要重启。在这一点上，大规模的重启对我来说似乎是有希望的。印度人口可能低效且自私，没有民族意识，但我们所居住的土地仍然充满资源，只是在等待合适的拥有者，就像四百年前美国发生的那样。如果我们无法适应进步，别人会来取代我们，我们的种族将成为历史。人们太过个人主义，以至于无法理解这一点。
America didn’t exist 4 centuries ago
美国在四百年前并不存在。
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I mean continent America ( name land mass lies between Atlantic Ocean and Pacific Ocean) colonised by anglo saxons by total elimination of technologically backward natives.
我是说美洲大陆（即位于大西洋和太平洋之间的陆地），被盎格鲁-撒克逊人殖民，完全消灭了技术落后的土著。
You mean total GENO.... of Native Americans. Being backward is no justification for GENO.....
你是指对美洲土著人的彻底灭绝。落后并不是灭绝的理由。
Indian IT service companies get the contract only because of cost advantage.Cheap labor is India's USP.
印度IT服务公司获得合同只是因为成本优势。廉价劳动力是印度的独特卖点。
…the Chinese know English too . It's essential if you intend to develop beyond china . Especially software or coding
There's a reason why in Chinese majority Singapore the head of a national bank was an Indian and you've not seen any mainland Chinese in prominent leadership positions.
……中国人也会说英语。如果你打算在中国以外的发展，这一点是必不可少的。尤其是在软件或编码领域。在华人占多数的新加坡，一家国家银行的负责人是印度人，而你没有看到任何大陆中国人在显著的领导职位上。
The comment about China being unaffected because they had “indigenous systems” is disingenuous at best. Chinese airlines have had their share of software glitches, so claiming that their software is somehow superior is just bootlicking.
I have personally managed Chinese software engineers in China, and they are no better or worse than any other nationality. They did have a sense of blindly following hierarchical authority structures but we managed to get them to be more vocal with their opinions. Other than that, they performed about the same as any other similar cohort of young engineers.
关于中国因为拥有“本土系统”而不受影响的说法，充其量只是无诚意的辩解。中国航空公司也经历过软件故障，所以声称他们的软件在某种程度上优越只是盲目的捧场。我个人在中国管理过中国的软件工程师，他们和其他国籍的工程师并没有显著的优劣之分。他们确实有盲目遵循等级制度的倾向，但我们设法让他们更积极地表达自己的意见。除此之外，他们的表现与其他相似背景的年轻工程师相当。
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Yes back then Indian software engineers were fully praised and thought as impervious. I am quite surprised by the recent achievements of Chinese and even Vietnamese software engineers. I wonder what stagnated the Indian software engineers. KB Sir’s article is indeed interesting to read and analyse. Thank you Sir KB.
是的，之前印度的软件工程师备受赞誉，被认为是无懈可击的。我对最近中国甚至越南软件工程师的成就感到很惊讶。我想知道是什么导致印度软件工程师的停滞。KB先生的文章确实很有趣，值得阅读和分析。谢谢您，KB先生。
The last sentence is very true. The day when your competitor stops praising you then you have made it.
最后一句话非常真实。当天你的竞争对手不再称赞你时，你就成功了。
Mosfet is currently innovations previously to generate ac current used atr mechanical Vibrator which work generate square wave pulse many things can easily run on squares wave.
Still Many today inverter are without PWM which generate square wave only few above 20k generate generate modified sine wave and pure sine wave pulse
目前，MOSFET的创新主要用于生成交流电，使用机械振动器来产生方波脉冲，许多设备可以轻松在方波上运行。尽管如此，许多今天的逆变器仍然没有PWM，只产生方波，只有少数超过20k的逆变器能够生成修正正弦波和纯正弦波脉冲。
If is not designed for it don't try it will ruin your equipment in the long run. On the other hand Indias space program is emerging and is not serious enough to be considered a threat. It is no where near what a private guy like Elon is making either with reuse or payload capacity. Attacks and mockery will come when it gets into big boys club.
如果没有为此设计，别尝试，这样长远来看会毁掉你的设备。另一方面，印度的航天计划正在发展，但还不够成熟，不足以被视为威胁。与像埃隆·马斯克这样的私人企业相比，它在可重复使用性或有效载荷能力上也远远不及。当它进入“大佬俱乐部”时，攻击和嘲讽会随之而来。
The worst thing is none of our laws mandate all Indian data has to reside inside country and can’t be hosted outside the country! We are at the mercy of other countries
最糟糕的是，我们的法律并没有规定所有印度数据必须保留在国内，不能托管在国外！我们受到其他国家的摆布。
Indian IT sector employs lakhs of Young engineers , earns billions of Dollars for Country's needs. It also helps build IT systems for our domestic needs. We r good at some things not competitive enough to compete with China or USA , who are adequately rich to invest in new technologies. Theres no point in making futile comparisons and berate ourselves.
印度IT行业雇用了成千上万的年轻工程师，为国家的需求赚取数十亿美元。它也帮助建设国内所需的IT系统。我们在某些方面做得不错，但与中国或美国相比，竞争力不够，他们有足够的财富投资于新技术。做无谓的比较并自我贬低是没有意义的。
Even our draftsman work in UAE since people don't repsect the software and appreciate the donkey work. So yes INDIAN PEOPLE are good on paper nothing special with as said in above content…
甚至我们的制图员也在阿联酋工作，因为人们不尊重软件工作，欣赏那些繁重的工作。所以，是的，印度人理论上很优秀，但实际上并没有上述内容所说的特别之处……
India has a long-standing trade deficit, and without the remittances from overseas Indians, India's finance would have collapsed long ago.
印度长期以来存在贸易逆差，如果没有海外印度人的汇款，印度的财政早就崩溃了。
Boeing 737 max was done by indian sofaware engenier and lok what happen
波音737 MAX是由印度的软件工程师开发的，看看发生了什么。
As India expert Kanthaswamy has said Chinese are ahead of Indians in every aspect of life except corruption and dishonesty. For the latter , Indians are world leaders. I think the so called iPhones that are exported from India, are Chinese made and repackaged as Indian. After reading what Kantha says, I don’t believe that Indians have the skills to make iPhones .
正如印度专家KB所说，除了腐败和不诚实，其他方面中国人都领先于印度人。在后者方面，印度人是世界领先者。我认为那些从印度出口的所谓iPhone，其实是中国制造，之后重新包装成印度的。看完Kantha的说法，我不相信印度人有能力制造iPhone。
TCS was a thing when Bill Gates started off as a student. Need we say more?
TCS在比尔·盖茨作为学生开始时就存在了，我们还需要说什么吗？
In my experience Indian engineers are better than Chinese engineers in software field but only problem is they are working in Microsoft, Google etc etc from Bangalore, Hyderabad and not for any Indian companies.
And the Indian companies like TCS hires only bottom level engineers who speaks good English but not good coders.
Chinese engineers in US mostly thrive by conection from their community not by working hard. Hire a Chinese manager in a team, the whole team will become Chinese in next 2 years. In india only Telugus are like this.
根据我的经验，印度工程师在软件领域比中国工程师更优秀，但唯一的问题是他们在微软、谷歌等公司工作，而不是为任何印度公司工作。印度公司如TCS只雇佣那些说英语流利但编码能力不强的底层工程师。在美国的中国工程师主要依靠他们社区的关系，而不是努力工作。团队中雇一个中国经理，整个团队在两年内会变成中国团队。在印度，只有特伦古人是这样的。
Sir, referring to your above answer, what do you think of Zoho? They have developed quite good applications.
先生，关于您上面的回答，您怎么看待Zoho？他们开发了相当不错的应用程序。
In the US they don’t have negative groups like the one that KB belongs to whose only job is to pull the country down. There every one is doing their jobs with a positive frx of mind. Having just returned after a stay of 3 months in the US, I couldn’t find one write up deriding US or their own people or their own systems. India is progressing despite such negative elements pulling down every good effort.
在美国，他们没有像KB所属的那种负面团体，这些团体的唯一工作就是拉低国家的声誉。在那里，每个人都以积极的心态在做自己的工作。我刚刚从美国回来，待了三个月，我没有看到任何贬低美国或他们自己人民和系统的文章。尽管有负面因素拖累每一个好的努力，印度仍在进步。
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Server down - that slogan was epic all time!
if a banking application is hosted on one server and it crashes its havoc and you’re done! I don’t know why Most bank clerks kept saying the same rubbish again and again when the application slowness is due to overload or stopping the services from server end..
“服务器宕机”——这个口号真是经典！如果一个银行应用程序只托管在一台服务器上，而且它崩溃了，那就是一场灾难！我不知道为什么大多数银行职员在应用程序变慢是因为过载或服务器端停止服务时，一直在重复同样的废话。
Around 73% of all H-1B visa applicants toward US were from India alone with most of them geared toward IT. So of course there are going to be what appears to be a lot of “good” Indian IT workers because of all of them want to escape here to the US.
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/reports/OLA_Signed_H-1B_Characteristics_Congressional_Report_FY2023.pdf
大约73%的H-1B签证申请者来自印度，其中大部分集中在IT领域。所以当然会有很多“优秀”的印度IT工作者，因为他们都想逃到美国。
The Chinese are forced to step up all “thanks” to the American. India does not have this ‘advantage’.
中国人被迫加快步伐，完全是“感谢”美国。印度没有这种“优势”。
An excellent analysis of the ongoing scenario in the Indian IT context!
Leave alone the IT scene! The still-prent manual sewage- cleaning process all over the country and an entire community dedicated, by birth, of course, to do such inhuman work, speaks volumes about our country's indigenous technological skills. In spite of the country's total dependence on the west for every conceivable technology, I find many of us here unnecessarily talking ill of the west day in and day out.
对印度IT现状的出色分析！
更不用说IT领域了！全国范围内仍然存在的人工污水清理过程，以及一个从出生开始就专门从事这种非人道工作的社区，充分说明了我们国家的本土技术水平。尽管我们对西方技术的完全依赖，我发现我们中的许多人却每天无缘无故地贬低西方。
Our companies are mostly service based companies , which have clause that we cant develop products there are checks and balances which help silicon valley thrive, have attended bootcamps to learn full stack outside my job, had certain IITians who can develop exact replica of lixEDin in 25 days, but we have to develop few things culturally like being sportive its ok to fail, we have to move from mindset of equating beauty with intelligence this was basic concept of black woke theory but it has become more of lgbt and porn based ideology nw, to me we can catch anyone in a decade in IT field but we are behind in electronic warefare etc
我们的公司大多是服务型公司，有一些条款限制我们开发产品，硅谷的繁荣有其相应的检查和平衡机制。我在工作之外参加了全栈开发的训练营，遇到了一些可以在25天内复制lixedIn的IIT毕业生，但我们在文化上需要发展一些理念，比如对失败的宽容。我们需要改变将美与智力等同的思维方式，这本是“黑人觉醒理论”的基本概念，但现在却变成了以LGBT和色情为基础的意识形态。对我来说，我们在IT领域可以在十年内赶上任何人，但在电子战等领域仍然落后。
Let alone semiconductors Indian electronic/electrical engg and Dip. grads aren’t good with even basic tools like CRO and DMMs that're used in debugging hardware components.
更不用说半导体了，印度的电子/电气工程和文凭毕业生甚至在使用调试硬件组件的基本工具，如示波器（CRO）和数字万用表（DMM）方面也不够优秀。