我因为种姓制度而离开印度
Why do you want to leave India, if you do?
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网友：那是我11年级入学的日子。我考取了94.35的高分，满怀希望地想进入我所在城市最好的预科学院。但遗憾的是，我并未被录取，只因为我缺少一张印有种姓证明的纸。有些成绩只有80分的学生却被录取了，而像我这样没有种姓证明的学生，却需要达到96或97的分数线。我感觉受到了欺骗，仿佛成了这个世界上可能发生的最不公正事件的受害者。我很不幸出生在印度，但我的孩子们不应该遭受和我一样的命运。那天，我下定决心，无论如何都要离开印度，永不回头，这样我的孩子们也不必成为这种不公的牺牲品。
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Why do you want to leave India, if you do?
你是否想离开印度，那你为什么要离开？
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It was the day when my 11th standard admissions started. I had got a whopping 94.35%, and was hoping to get the best junior college in my city. But sadly, I could not get admitted there, only because I did not have a paper with a stamp of caste on it. Students who had even scored an 80% got admission there, but for the students who did not have the caste certificate, should had to have a cut-off of 96% or 97%. I felt like I was cheated. I felt like I was the biggest victim of an injustice case that could have been done to anyone in this whole wide world. I was unlucky to have born in India, but my children should not also suffer the same fate as me. On that day I decided one thing. I will leave India, no matter what, and then will never ever show my face to her, so that my children will also not have to be the victim for this injustice.
那是我11年级入学的日子。我考取了94.35的高分，满怀希望地想进入我所在城市最好的预科学院。但遗憾的是，我并未被录取，只因为我缺少一张印有种姓证明的纸。有些成绩只有80分的学生却被录取了，而像我这样没有种姓证明的学生，却需要达到96或97的分数线。我感觉受到了欺骗，仿佛成了这个世界上可能发生的最不公正事件的受害者。我很不幸出生在印度，但我的孩子们不应该遭受和我一样的命运。那天，我下定决心，无论如何都要离开印度，永不回头，这样我的孩子们也不必成为这种不公的牺牲品。
我开始寻找离开印度的方法，并且决不回头。得益于我在学校时的优异表现，我选择了研究和攻读硕士学位的道路。在11年级和12年级，我努力学习，目标是进入印度理工学院，以此构建有助于我离开印度的背景。然而，两年前的故事再次上演。我在JEE高级考试中排名约8000，而印度理工学院总共只招收10000名学生，其中只有5000个名额是给没有种姓证明的学生。剩下的5000个名额留给了那些即使排名在10000以外，却有种姓证明的学生。尽管如此，我最终还是被我所在邦的一所顶尖学院录取。在大学里，我的唯一目标是做所有能帮助我到印度以外的地方攻读硕士学位的事情。
终于，四年的努力得到了回报，我获得了美国一所大学的硕士录取通知。那是我生命中最快乐的日子，我感觉几乎已经实现了所有目标。离开印度的那天，我满怀感激之情，感谢上帝赐予的一切。我再也没有回去，也永远不会回去。
我攻读硕士学位，并不是因为对研究有兴趣，而是因为这是离开印度、获得经济保障的一个简单途径。人们会为了摆脱这种种姓预留政策而做出任何事情。我知道有很多人和我一样，只想因为这个原因离开印度，这一点也应该被政治家们所理解。他们担心在下一届选举中会失去选票，但他们没有意识到，在印度，没有种姓证明的人口数量更多。如果他们不能理解这一点，那么在不久的将来，印度所有杰出的人才都将离开，去为如美国这样的发达国家进步做出贡献，而不是留在印度发展。
One day there would be a revolution against reservation.
总有一天，会爆发一场反对配额制度的革命。
That revolution will only come when we all come together and boycott this system at national level.
只有当我们所有人团结起来，在全国范围内共同抵制这一制度时，这场革命才会到来。
I agree with you. Even I believe the caste based reservation has to stop…we have been feeding the reserved ones than the deserved ones for a long time now
我同意你的看法。我也相信基于种姓的配额制度必须终结……我们一直在优先考虑那些被配额制度照顾的人，而不是优先考虑那些真正应该得到机会的人。
Absolutely true brother. Even I’m facing the same dilemma. I would have got into one of the reputed colleges but reservation stood in my way. People getting less than me are getting admission there.
完全正确，兄弟。我也遇到了同样的难题。我本可以进入一所声誉良好的大学，但配额制度挡了我的路。而有些分数比我低的人都被录取了。
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You are not the only person in the boat, friend. Many people, including me, are going for their MS to other countries, where talent, not birth is given importance.
As they say, India keeps the reserved, US (and other countries) take the deserved.
你不是唯一一个遇到这种情况的人，朋友。包括我在内的许多人都选择去其他国家攻读硕士学位，在那里，重视个人才能，而不是重视出身。
正如人们所说，印度留下了那些被配额制度照顾的人，而美国（和其他国家和地区）则接纳了那些真正配得上的人。
Can u tell me how can i get ms if i choose bams,sadly 50 percent seat in medical is reserved
你能告诉我，如果我选择了印度传统医学（BAMS）专业，我怎样才能获得硕士学位吗？遗憾的是，医学院有50%的名额是预留的。
Very true
Happening with my daughter
In India talent takes backseat
非常真实。
我女儿也遇到了这种情况。
在印度，才能往往被忽视。
Fuck country and fuck patriotism do whatever you want buddy. No politician thinks about us and reservation is not going to vanish ever. People may mock me behind the mask of patriotism but they know they don't have guts to fill up a form by checking the box UR cause they know they are nothing without their caste certificate.
去他娘的国家，去他娘的爱国主义，伙计，你想怎么做就怎么做。没有政治家真正关心我们，配额制度也永远不会消失。人们可能会在爱国主义的幌子下嘲笑我，但他们自己也知道，如果没有种姓证明，他们根本没有勇气去填写表格，因为他们清楚自己没有那份证明就什么也不是。
This has to be the best answer I've ever read related to this. I feel bad and simultaneously good for you, now that you've moved out. You're a total inspiration, sir. I'm seriously considering following in your footsteps. I've been hit hard by this system. No child of mine is ever going through this again.
这是我读过的关于这个话题的最好的回答。我为你感到难过，同时也为你感到高兴，现在你已经离开了。你真是一个激励人心的人，先生。我正在认真考虑跟随你的脚步。我也深受这个制度的打击。我绝不会让我的孩子再经历这些。
I have been a victim there. I regard unimaginable competition the reason for most people to seek education abroad.
Many of my friends and their brothers/sisters shifted to US just after 10th or 12th.
India needs to realise this, cut the reservation, focus on competence.
我也是那里的受害者。我认为，激烈的竞争是大多数人选择出国接受教育的主要原因。
我的许多朋友以及他们的兄弟姐妹在完成10年级或12年级后就去了美国。
印度需要意识到这一点，削减配额制度，专注于提升能力。
This is why I encourage everyone who can (financially), to go outside for college. There is just way too much crap and too many hoops to jump through these days.
这就是我为什么鼓励所有经济能力允许的人去国外上大学。现在这里的麻烦事太多，要克服的障碍也太多了。
Because of this thing I chose CA . I went through same during my b com admission I was having 80% but didn't got admission in any college and sc/St got 50% got top college.
正因为这样，我选择了成为注册会计师（CA）。我在申请商学学士的时候也经历了同样的情况，我的成绩有80分，但没有被任何大学录取，而一些成绩只有50分的表列种姓/部落(SC/ST)学生却进了顶尖大学。
I too think the same
我也这么认为。
My dear friend, be happy and prosper wherever you are. But remember, life is not fair. At least it won’t be fair by your definition. Wherever you go, you will find being short-charged due to something or other. So try to be practical and try to find happiness in what ever life offers you.
我亲爱的朋友，无论你在哪里，都要快乐和成功。但请记住，生活并不公平。至少它不会按照你的定义来实现公平。无论你走到哪里，你都会因为某些原因而感到受到了不公。所以，尽量实际一些，尝试在生活提供给你的一切中寻找快乐。
There is a difference between small impacts and a life-long impact.
小影响和终身影响是有区别的。
Totally agree with you…
完全同意你的观点……
Well written. I can't agree more to your answer. Thanks for being honest.
写得好。我非常赞同你的回答。谢谢你的坦诚。
Another victim detected!! I appreciate your efforts. All the best for life
又发现了一个受害者！我很欣赏你的努力。祝你生活顺利。
Even I am going to leave the country and do undergraduate from Germany because of this caste system. These politicians only think of themselves and want votes from lower caste and that's why they would never abolish caste system reservation should only be for poor and pwd ones
我也打算离开这个国家，去德国读本科，都是因为这种种姓制度。这些政客只考虑自己，想要从低种姓群体那里获得选票，这就是他们永远不会废除种姓预留制度的原因。预留制度应该只针对穷人和残疾人。
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You seem like a dream I visualised to be. Good for you, wishes for you. Hope, to be guided and blessed as well. Pray brother.
你看起来就像我曾经梦想成为的那个人。祝你好运，也希望你能得到指引和祝福。兄弟，祈祷吧。
So true
I am also planning to leave india for the same reason.
确实如此。
因为同样的原因我也计划离开印度。
even me. my parents permitted me
我也是，我父母支持我。
It reminds me a sentence-“ i was born intelligent but reservation ruined my life”- same thing happened and happening to me bro-
这让我想起了一句话——“我生来聪明，但预留制度毁了我的生活”——同样的事情也发生在我身上，兄弟。
We have huge amount of highly talented minds in any corner of India but we have no opportunity or contacts .
我们在印度的每个角落都有大量非常有才华的人才，但我们没有机会或联系人。
It's 100000% true .It is so unfair we the students from open category work hard to get admission in good college.But still because of reservation it becomes so hard for us to get admission in good college.
这是千真万确的，就是如此不公平，我们这些来自普通种姓类别的学生努力学习，想要进入好的大学。但由于预留制度，进入好大学都变得如此困难。
Enjoy Trump’s 4 year presidency. Also if you ever bothered to check Census General category is about 30% populous. if you had bothered to get out of your bubble you would see the problems the category guys are facing.(Yes the ones receiving reservation and ones suffering might be almost mutually exclusive but that means application of system is wrong not the system itself)
享受特朗普四年的总统任期吧。另外，如果你曾经查看过人口普查数据，你会发现一般种姓类别的人口大约是30%。如果你愿意走出你的小圈子，你就会看到这些类别的人所面临的问题。（是的，接受预留和遭受痛苦的人可能几乎完全不同，但这意味着体系的运用（而不是系统本身）是错误的）
Probably a below average student too, right? Only those who suffer know the wrath.
可能也是个成绩低于平均水平的学生，对吧？只有经历过的人才知道其中的痛苦。
What do you mean by “probably a below average student”?
你所说的“可能也是个成绩低于平均水平的学生”是什么意思？
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Most of the people leave for this reason only
大多数人离开的原因正是这个。
“They feel that they will get less votes in the next election”
This is trivializing the issue. It’s far more complex than that. I recommend you read more about the history of reservation.
“If they do not understand it, within 5 years or so, all the bright minds of India will leave her and work in the progress of developed US rather than developing India.”
.Also, some wish to change their own country by staying back.
“他们觉得在下一届选举中会得到更少的选票”
这是在淡化这个问题。这个问题远比那复杂。我建议你多读一些关于预留制度历史的资料。
“如果他们不理解这一点，在未来5年左右，印度所有聪明的人才会离开印度，去为发达的美国的进步而工作，而不是为发展中的印度工作。”
另外，也有些人希望留下来改变他们自己的国家。
You do know that Trump government isn't target the students studying there and doing masters from their colleges? People going abroad for masters won't have any problem because of the Trump government because he is targeting the h1b abuse that is being done by companies.
你应该明白，特朗普政府并没有针对那些在美国留学和攻读硕士学位的学生。对于出国攻读硕士学位的人来说，他们不会受到特朗普政府政策的影响，因为特朗普政府的目标是那些滥用H1B签证的公司。
They have instead increased the spots for indians that get jobs there.
他们实际上为在那边找到工作的印度人增加了名额。
I normally don't comment on answers but then your answer is special. . So you have a problem against caste? Why don't you have a problem against religion? Why don't you consider Everyone to be just human beings rather than Hindu,Muslim,Christian,Sikh. . . . And how did this caste system start again? It was because people in that specific community could never come up in life and were pushed to do the same work that they were doing? And let me ask this question, how many seats are reserved, am assuming it's about a maximum of 30℅ if you can't beat your own 70℅ and jump over to conclusions then who is at fault? The main problem lies with mindsets of people, and thanks to all those numerous fb messages you talk about caste and same is the case with women taking advantage of laws created to protect them.
我通常不评论答案，但你的答案很特别。所以你对种姓制度有意见？你为什么不反对宗教呢？你为什么不认为每个人都是人，而不是印度教徒、穆斯林、基督教徒、锡克教徒………这个种姓制度是怎么开始的？那是因为那个特定群体的人永远无法在生活中出头，被迫做他们一直在做的同样的工作。我来问一个问题，这里保留了多少个席位，我假设最多是30℅，如果你不能超过那70℅的人。就直接得出结论，那么谁有过错呢？主要问题在于人们的心态，多亏了你在facebook上发布的大量关于种姓的信息，女性也利用了为保护她们而制定的法律。
It's up-to 50% and I think you belong to some caste No offence though
比例高达50%，我想你可能属于某个种姓吧，不过没有冒犯的意思。
We can ban this system forcefully but only if none of us( The General Merit) pay taxes and there is no jail in India to hold all of “us”. After all it is our money that they use to build all those big and galmarous iits and still we are'nt eligible.
我们完全可以强行废除这个制度，但前提是我们这些普通类别的学生都不交税，而且印度也没有足够的监狱来关押我们所有人。毕竟，是他们用我们的钱建造了那些宏伟的印度理工学院，而我们却仍然没有资格进入。
i think rather then crying about the caste thing ..you should admit the fact that there must be some candidate scoring 96% who took your seat..why did you lag behind … and too add only those mind who obtained there education first from india (IIT’s)and then flew to USA out of there greed for money and lifestyle.
我觉得，与其对种姓制度感到不满，你不如承认可能有分数高达96分的考生取代了你的位置，你为何考不过了呢？此外，只有那些先在印度接受教育，比如从印度理工学院（IIT）毕业后，又因为对金钱和生活方式的渴望而前往美国的人，才能真正理解这一点。
You will feel the pain when someone below you will grab your opportunity just because of that fuc**ng caste and all you can do is frustrate and yiu can't describe that sadness.
当一个成绩比你差的人仅仅因为那个该死的种姓而抓住了你的机会时，你会感受到痛苦。你能做的就是感到沮丧，你无法形容那种悲伤。
Just 70 years and you are not able to handle this “frustation and sadness”. Now imagine how it would feel if you have to bear this for 3000 years.
仅仅70年，你就无法处理这种“挫败和悲伤”。现在想象一下，如果让你承受3000年，你会有什么感觉。
If everyone had your mindset, India would have never fought against discrimination by British, and will continue to remain a colony.
Shame on you for not mocking those who fight against discrimination.
如果每个人都有你的心态，印度就永远不会反抗英国的歧视，将继续作为一个殖民地存在。
对于那些反抗歧视的人，你竟然不嘲笑他们，真是羞耻。
Why anonymity?
为什么要匿名？
I too support you .. Good luck
Fly away from this country
我也支持你..祝你好运
离开这个国家吧。
Lets see the other side of the story where the obc and ST guys get more opportunity for upbringing for their family.they have a chance which government is doing.Every country has their own ups and downs.Go to states where people racially abuse you.Someday a physchopath will take a gun to your child school and harm them..What would you say then.You did great to tackle your life situation.Don’t let few bad experience get over your head.
让我们换个角度来看这个问题，比如其他落后阶层（OBC）和部落（ST）的人们，他们获得了更多提升家庭的机会。政府正在为他们提供这样的机会。每个国家都有自己的兴衰起伏。你可以去那些种族歧视严重的地区看看。说不定哪天一个精神病患者会持枪闯入你孩子的学校，伤害他们。到那时候，你会怎么想？你已经很好地处理了自己的生活状况。不要让一些不好的经历影响你的判断。
The actual problem is if the government abandon the reservation system, then other fuckin religional(disguised as secular) parties know they will never get those votes which they are getting, so they will show their character, by doing riots all across country which will be hard to handle.
真正的问题在于，如果政府放弃预留制度，那些伪装成世俗政党的宗教团体就会意识到他们将失去现有的选票。因此，他们可能会暴露出自己的真实面目，通过在全国范围内煽动骚乱来争取支持，这将给国家带来难以应对的挑战。