NBC：越来越多的美国人质疑大学学位的价值！
Growing Number Of Americans Questioning The Value Of College Degree
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多数美国人认为学历贬值现象过于严重，很多企业不仅要求高学历，还要求工作经验。
一些美国人认为大学学费那么高，还学不到什么东西，还不如直接去工作，在工作中学习！
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With inflation hitting American pockets hard, and tuition costs rising, many students are rethinking higher education. NBC News’ Steven Romo reports on why more and more Americans are questioning whether a college degree is worthwhile.
随着通货膨胀严重冲击美国人的钱包，以及学费的上涨，许多学生正在重新考虑高等教育。NBC新闻的史蒂文·罗莫报道为什么越来越多的美国人质疑大学学位是否值得。
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“Ugh you lazy kids need four Ph.D’s and 10 years experience for this entry level unpaid internship. Grind hard and maybe we will hire you starting at 7.65$ an hour.”
“啊，你们这些懒孩子需要四个博士学位和十年经验来做这份入门级无薪实习。努力工作，也许我们会以每小时7.65美元的价格雇佣你。”
Being an American is expensive in so many ways.
做一个美国人在很多方面都很昂贵。
The American Dream comes with a price tag
美国梦是有代价的。
This is how it is most places.
大多数地方都是这样。
@Yandel21ableify and sometimes become a nightmare
有时候美国梦会变成噩梦。
Yuppers
没错。
voting for Biden
投票给拜登
@hankhill3640 you have no idea how anything works lmfao
你完全不知道事情是怎么运作的，哈哈。
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@toastybillionaire4047 I know that when Trump was in gas wasn’t like a million dollars along with everything else
我知道特朗普在任时，油价和其他东西都没有那么贵。
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a college degree is good....I attended a university
大学学位很好……我上过大学。
It's not that people don't want to go to college and have a degree, people just really don't want to be in debt and have to spend years paying off a student loan (if they get one). For the most part, the cost of college is just too high. Not to mention that many degrees require unnecessary courses that have nothing to do with the chosen degree/profession.
人们并不是不想上大学并获得学位，只是他们真的不想背负债务并花费数年来偿还学生贷款（如果他们能借到的话）。大多数情况下，大学的成本实在太高了。更不用说，许多学位要求一些与所选专业无关的课程。
Go to community college for your prerequisites. It’s cheap then you can transfer. College isn’t expensive if you get a good return on your investment. Price is all relative. If you spend 60k and make 30k it’s a bad deal. If you spend 200k and make 400k it’s a good deal and technically that’s more expensive but not too expensive because of how much you make. The price doesn’t really matter. It’s the ROI (return on investment) that matters. The problem isn’t the cost of college but people consistently making bad decisions for years and then they wonder how their life ended up that way. It should be common sense to not get a worthless degree and actually look at the job market before pursuing a degree in that field.
去社区大学修读你的必修课程，这很便宜，然后你可以转学。如果投资回报率好，大学并不贵。价格是相对的。如果你花了6万美元但只能赚3万美元，这是笔糟糕的交易。如果你花了20万美元但能赚40万美元，这是笔好交易，技术上说这更贵，但因为你赚得多，所以并不太贵。价格并不重要，重要的是投资回报率（ROI）。问题不在于大学的成本，而在于人们多年来不断做出糟糕的决定，然后他们会奇怪为什么生活会变成这样。常识是不要获得没有价值的学位，实际上在追求该领域的学位之前要看看就业市场。
Exactly why do we need so many electives??!! It’s a waste of time and money and most students also have to work full time to pay for their housing
为什么我们需要这么多选修课？！！这是浪费时间和金钱，而且大多数学生还得全职工作以支付住房费用。
@AJohnson0325 But probably about half of the degrees offered ARE worthless. And if everyone goes for the useful degrees, then there will be too much competition for a narrow range of jobs.
但大概一半的学位是没有价值的。如果每个人都去选择有用的学位，那么在一个狭窄的工作范围内会有太多的竞争。
That’s a pretty bold claim with no evidence
这是个没有证据的大胆说法。
Exactly you said it perfect
你说得完全正确。
@AJohnson0325 spend 200k make 400k, so relatable
花20万美元赚40万美元，真是太有共鸣了。
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Having NOTHING to do with the chosen degree/profession has its purpose too so it's not completely useless. All classes are useful.
与所选学位/职业无关的课程也是有目的的，所以并不是完全没有用。所有课程都是有用的。
Then with getting a degree with a well paying job. I've met people with Electrical Engineering degrees, law degrees, and english degrees that don't even use them because they don't like their job
然后是获得高薪工作的学位。我遇到过拥有电气工程学位、法律学位和英语学位的人，他们甚至不使用这些学位，因为他们不喜欢自己的工作。
@AJohnson0325 who has 200k in there pocket when u r young and studying takes most of your time. Even 60k is a high price. Now who would be willing to let you borrow that amount as well. I’m getting paid 25hr and never step foot on college. I went to a trade school. I thought about pro and cons of going to college and decided trade school was a better choice. They gave me what I had to learn to my job no random classes that I would never need for my career.
年轻时谁兜里有20万美元，学习占据了大部分时间。即使是6万美元也是高价。谁会愿意借给你这笔钱。我每小时赚25美元，从未踏足大学。我去了职业学校。我考虑了上大学的利弊，决定职业学校是更好的选择。他们教我工作所需的知识，没有那些我职业生涯中永远不需要的随机课程。
As someone who spent 10 years in college, I can attest that the value of college degrees has been diminished. The great recession hit college, even community ones, pretty bad. I literally saw the amount of classes offered cut in half while the amount of people going to college sky rocketed. Coupled with questionable practices like retaining terrible instructors who do more to hinder students than to help them succeed, having people take too many courses not only unrelated to their fields but will never be used in the work force, and overall just making everything so expensive. I was able to get my associates and bachelor degrees but ended up not working in my field and feeling like all the sacrifices made in progress of getting a higher education meant nothing. It sucks and I've only heard that things have only worsen since leaving college behind.
作为一个在大学待了10年的人，我可以证明大学学位的价值已经减弱了。大萧条对大学，甚至社区大学，造成了很大的打击。我亲眼看到课程数量减少了一半，而上大学的人数激增。再加上保留糟糕的老师这种有问题的做法，这些老师不仅无助于学生成功，反而阻碍了他们的成功，让人们修读太多与他们领域无关且在职场中永远不会用到的课程，总体上让一切变得非常昂贵。我获得了副学士和学士学位，但最终没有在我的领域工作，感觉为了获得高等教育而做出的所有牺牲都毫无意义。这很糟糕，而且我听说自从离开大学后，情况变得更加糟糕了。
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In my opinion, being required to take courses that have absolutely nothing to do with your degree is a huge problem. I experienced this in school.
在我看来，被要求修读与学位完全无关的课程是一个大问题。我在学校就经历过这种情况。
Even if you don’t end up working in your field, a lot of employees still value your degree. If you had, had just a hs diploma, a lot of job opportunities diminish.
即使你最终没有在你的领域工作，很多雇主仍然重视你的学位。如果你只有高中毕业文凭，很多工作机会就会减少。
I understand that you need the basics to understand English, Writing, Math, and some kind of Ethics. I want to be a physician assistant and why am I taking Ecology, Plant bio, Organic, Calculus, or even Zoology? all my classes should be A/P, Pathophysiology, genetics, medical terminology...etc. I spent for the most part going part-time to college and got my BS in about 8yrs. I feel burnt out and tired. It's been a year since I've been out of school and still trying to get into PA school.
我理解你需要基本的英语、写作、数学和某种伦理学的知识。我想成为一名医师助理，为什么我要学习生态学、植物生物学、有机化学、微积分甚至动物学？我的所有课程应该是解剖学/生理学、病理生理学、遗传学、医学术语等。我大部分时间是兼职上大学，花了大约8年才获得学士学位。我感到筋疲力尽，离开学校已经一年了，还在努力进入医师助理学校。
"questionable practices like retaining terrible instructors who do more to hinder students than to help them succeed"
有问题的做法，比如保留那些无助于学生成功，反而阻碍他们成功的糟糕老师。
是的，我感受到了！有好几个学期我都不得不应对这样的阻碍。
@fredastaire6156 Since I was older than ALL the students I felt that they just wanted me to finish and move on. I didn't get the guidance that I was supposed to get. These teens had all the attention. Through my years in college, I was never told to watch my GPA and all I wanted to do is pass my classes. In the end, I started to look out for my GPA because of the requirements for PA school and realized that my GPA was not competitive enough. Thanks advisors.
因为我比所有学生都大，我感觉他们只是想让我完成学业然后继续前进。我没有得到我应该得到的指导。这些青少年得到了所有的关注。在我上大学的几年里，从来没有人告诉我要关注我的GPA，我只想通过我的课程。最后，由于医师助理学校的要求，我开始关注我的GPA，才意识到我的GPA不够竞争力。谢谢你们，导师们。
@tetsuyohasakirashishiwakam2218 same here. Not gonna say my university but it took me 6 years with 17/18 hours of credit per semester excluding maybe 6 credits during the summer.
我也是。不想说我的大学，但我花了6年时间，每学期有17/18学分，暑期也许有6学分。
@zdsensei7536 sometimes I really do feel college is just a scam and not worth it.
有时候我真的觉得大学就是个骗局，不值得。
Not to mention affirmative action
更不用说平权行动了。
@johnguillen68 There is a lot in medicine that uses many of those skills, even if they don't always come up. For example, calculus is often used when studying pathogens in various calculations.
Plant bio? A lot of plant based compounds are used, so while not EVERY medical profession may get deep into that, laying the groundwork makes sense. And so on. That's the thing about generals. They all have uses in the fields that specific ones are required in. You need to be able to connect those dots however. And that's really where I think the problem is. There's no transitional moment where you take that general knowledge and are given examples of how they apply to the more advanced problems of the field.
医学中有很多使用这些技能的地方，即使它们并不总是出现。例如，在研究病原体时，微积分经常用于各种计算。
植物生物学？许多植物化合物被使用，因此虽然不是每个医疗专业都会深入研究这个，但打下基础是有意义的。等等。这就是普通课程的特点。它们在需要特定技能的领域都有用处。然而，你需要能够将这些点连接起来。而我认为问题就在这里。没有一个过渡时刻，你可以将这些普通知识应用于更高级问题的例子中。
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我知道我和其他人在我的软件工程课程中最初问过这个问题，关于沟通和公开演讲课程，尤其是我这种非常内向的人，只想低头编程。不过，有一位了不起的沟通老师激励我把沟通作为辅修，并利用这些技能在许多小组项目中担任领导角色，我因此受益匪浅。
I’ve had multiple jobs over 100k with literally being a high school drop out and a convicted felon. College is a joke.
我是高中辍学生和有罪犯记录，但我有多个年薪超过10万美元的工作。大学就是个笑话。
Pretty much lost faith in college when they charged us the same amount for online classes vs in person. Makes me think it’s all just about a piece of paper, not learning
当他们为在线课程和面对面课程收取相同费用时，我几乎对大学失去了信心。让我觉得这只是为了那张文凭，而不是为了学习。
Exactly most the time you can walk into any University and any course and no one would care or notice and you can learn the material free. So you don't buy the information you buy the diploma at the end of the tunnel
确实，大多数时候你可以走进任何大学，任何课程，没有人会在意或注意到，你可以免费学习这些资料。所以你不是在购买知识，而是在购买隧道尽头的文凭。
They should give us free laptops and wifi if they force us to take classes online
如果他们强迫我们上网课，他们应该给我们免费提供笔记本电脑和WiFi。
@billyevans4929 many do unless you're going to a bad private college with over like 90% acceptance rate
很多学校会提供，除非你去的是录取率超过90%的糟糕私立大学。
I think there are at least two problems here: first of all, a lot of basic jobs, like receptionist for instance, require a college diploma even though you could do the job fine with basic education. Secondly, a lot of colleges overvalue their diploma. I studied art in school, and I briefly looked to get a masters in an art program. Two year tuition would have coast $120,000. You CAN make a living as an artist, but for the majority of us, we're never going to earn enough a year to justify spending 6 figures on a diploma (at least, that was my thought process. I think a lot of students are unrealistically optimistic about their future job prospects). If colleges were honest, they'd charge a rate that matches what people in the field actually earn.
我认为这里至少有两个问题：首先，很多基础工作，比如接待员，要求大学文凭，即使你只凭基础教育就能胜任。其次，很多大学过高估计了他们的文凭。我在学校学习艺术，并且曾短暂考虑过获得艺术项目的硕士学位。两年的学费将花费12万美元。你可以作为艺术家谋生，但对于我们大多数人来说，我们永远不会每年赚到足够的钱来证明花六位数买一个文凭是合理的（至少，这是我的想法。我认为很多学生对他们未来的工作前景不切实际地乐观）。如果大学诚实一点，他们会收取与该领域人员实际收入相匹配的费用。
But on the other hand, for a lot of positions we initially think anyone with a high school diploma can do well, it later turned out that it takes someone with a master degree to really do it well. Especially those positions require high school physics or chemistry or biology knowledge, you won’t find an adult with only a high school diploma who has that knowledge. I wonder how these people actually got their high school diploma.
但另一方面，对于很多我们最初认为任何拥有高中毕业文凭的人都能胜任的职位，后来证明需要拥有硕士学位的人才能真正做好。特别是那些需要高中物理、化学或生物学知识的职位，你不会找到只有高中毕业文凭且具备这些知识的成年人。我想知道这些人是怎么拿到高中毕业文凭的。
not necessarily true. A lot of that knowledge can also be learned on the job. Even most, if not all, computer science skills, which are top paying jobs today, can be learned outside of college.
不一定是这样。很多知识也可以在工作中学到。即使不是全部，今天高薪的计算机科学技能大部分也可以在大学外学到。
A lot of my friends are MFAs. Its their raw talent that makes them artists.
The MFAs might help them get teaching posts if they want to do that.
我的很多朋友都是艺术硕士（MFA）。是他们的天赋让他们成为艺术家。
艺术硕士可能会帮助他们获得教学职位，如果他们想这样做的话。
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@michaelrmurphy2734 Well, if we're talking about art, it's not just raw talent that makes the artist, it's also having teachers to learn from. And an MFA is not even necessary to teach in some schools (SVA doesn't require an MFA, they look for people with work experience). Nowadays that there are a lot of relatively cheap online art classes, it makes even less sense for art students to spend tons of money in art school. Granted, the tricky thing with online classes is having the discipline to actually do the work without a teacher breathing down your neck.
嗯，如果我们谈论艺术，不仅仅是天赋让人成为艺术家，还有老师可以学习。而且在一些学校教学甚至不需要艺术硕士学位（SVA不需要艺术硕士学位，他们寻找有工作经验的人）。如今有很多相对便宜的在线艺术课程，这使得艺术学生花费大量金钱在艺术学校上变得更加没有意义。当然，在线课程的难点在于要有纪律性，能够在没有老师督促的情况下完成工作。
Art or Social School is highly bad earning. But eventually, people should do research on what they go school and spend money and effort on. I don’t think it is necessary school fault for student choice of degree.
艺术或社会学专业的收入很低。但最终，人们应该研究他们去上学并花费金钱和精力的内容。我不认为学生选择学位是学校的错。
@annat6249 It's not a question of choice, it's a question of price. The truth is, regardless of the major you choose, college education IS overpriced, and this is very apparent when you learn that in other countries, students pay NOTHING for college. It's just college price tag is particularly nonsensical if it's for a field that doesn't pay well.
这不是选择问题，而是价格问题。事实是，无论你选择什么专业，大学教育都被定价过高，当你了解到在其他国家，学生不需要为大学支付任何费用时，这一点非常明显。只是如果大学的价格标签是针对收入不高的领域，那就特别荒谬了。
@John-jz7zz The problem is that employers do not want someone spending their money, which is salary, to learn something. They want someone who has the knowledge and experience already and be able to still pay them entry-level salary.
问题是雇主不想让某人花费他们的钱（工资）去学习一些东西。他们想要已经具备知识和经验并且能够接受初级薪水的人。
Do you need to go to college to be an artist?
要成为艺术家需要上大学吗？
@thomaskim5008 Well, I use the word "artist" to mean anyone in the visual arts, so that includes people who work in graphic design, animation, film, photography, industrial design, fashion design, interior design, etc...At the very least, for these fields, you have to learn technical things, like how to use particular software or tools. You also need to develop your aesthetic sense, and I've got to tell you, I can easily see when a "graphic designer" didn't go to school for graphic design because the stuff they produce looks very amateurish. Does an artist NEED to go to college? Not necessarily, but people DEFINITELY need art instruction if they want to be any good. Nowadays, you can easily find cheap art courses online, so it's easier to bypass college.
嗯，我用“艺术家”这个词来指代视觉艺术领域的任何人，包括平面设计、动画、电影、摄影、工业设计、时装设计、室内设计等领域的人……至少在这些领域，你必须学习技术性的东西，比如如何使用特定的软件或工具。你还需要发展你的审美感，我必须告诉你，我很容易看出一个“平面设计师”是否没有上过平面设计学校，因为他们制作的东西看起来很业余。艺术家需要上大学吗？不一定，但如果想要做得好，人们肯定需要艺术指导。如今，你可以轻松找到便宜的在线艺术课程，所以绕过大学更容易。
I worked hard for my degree for science and let me tell you some labs won't pay more then 18hr and expect you to do so much its crazy. Having a bachelors degree to get jobs that pay under 20 is crazy.
我努力获得科学学位，让我告诉你，有些实验室不会支付超过每小时18美元的工资，还期望你做这么多事情，这太疯狂了。拥有学士学位却只能找到薪资不到20美元的工作，太疯狂了。
You should do acelerated nursing degree to get paid 30 or 40 bucks an hour
你应该读一个加速护理学位，薪水每小时30或40美元。
STEM field is sold out to contract work.
STEM领域被合同工占据。
@scifirealism5943 STEM degrees are the only degrees worth something.
STEM学位是唯一有价值的学位。
The problem with Stem is that youll most likley be over looked and your job givien to a foreigner.
STEM的问题在于你很可能会被忽视，你的工作会被给外国人。
What state? Are you in hospital lab? In California most hospitals pay $15-17 but mostly to their lab assistants with "phlebotomist" title. Other hospitals like Kaiser/UCLA/USC affiliated hospitals pay from $19-36 for their lab techs. CLS get paid anywhere from $36-60.
哪个州？你在医院实验室吗？在加州，大多数医院支付15-17美元，但主要是给他们的“放血技师”头衔的实验室助理。其他医院，如凯撒/UCLA/USC附属医院支付实验室技术员19-36美元。临床实验室科学家（CLS）工资在36-60美元之间。
@lemonlimesnout 60 is what the minimum wage should be based on inflation
根据通货膨胀，60美元应该是最低工资。
I learned how to sell gold an silver physical an make money sold my first million yesterday I've never thought I'd make this kinda of money
我学会了如何卖黄金和白银并赚钱，昨天卖了我的第一个一百万，我从没想过我会赚这种钱。
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The beauty of a degree is that you can work elsewhere. My sister has a a degree in sociology but works in IT
学位的好处是你可以在其他地方工作。我妹妹有社会学学位，但在IT领域工作。
@sp123 When did she get that job? I know like 15-20 yrs ago you could do that but not much right now. Have a friend that got a degree in Russian Literature in 2002 and is a head honcho at an insurance co making 6 figs. But TODAY with that degree? Good luck!
她什么时候找到那份工作的？我知道大约15-20年前你可以这么做，但现在不太可能。我有个朋友在2002年获得俄罗斯文学学位，现在是一家保险公司的高管，年薪六位数。但今天有那个学位？祝你好运！
everyone is making this way too complicated. College in the US is a good decision for
PRE-PROFESSIONAL degree students (accounting, business, computer science, engineering, pre-law, pre-med, nursing, pre-nursing, architecture, pre-dental/orthodontic, etc)
RICH KIDS who can afford it and come out with no debt; students who get enough financial aid
ANY SCHOLARSHIP student or student-athlete
everyone else is at quite a disadvantage
每个人都把这个问题弄得太复杂了。在美国，上大学对以下几类人是个好决定：
预专业学位学生（会计、商业、计算机科学、工程、预法律、预医学、护理、预护理、建筑、预牙科/正畸等）
可以负担得起并且没有债务的富家子弟；获得足够经济援助的学生
任何获得奖学金的学生或学生运动员
其他人都处于相当不利的地位。
absolutely agree
完全同意。
yep. doesn't need to be such a big deal this is a mighty decent summary right here
是的，不需要弄得那么复杂，这里就是一个很不错的总结。
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The thing is most people can afford college. They just have to make some sacrifices, which undoubtedly don't weigh more than degree worth in the long run.
问题是大多数人可以负担得起上大学。他们只需要做出一些牺牲，毫无疑问这些牺牲在长远看来并不比学位的价值重。
College tuition outpaced inflation by 6x since the 80s and top 15 universities sit on $10B+ in cash nowadays. That's insane for nonprofits!
自80年代以来，大学学费超过通货膨胀的6倍，而前15名大学现在拥有超过100亿美元的现金。这对于非营利机构来说是疯狂的！
Have a computer science degree but it’s so hard to find a job. Entry level jobs requiring 5 years experience is wild.
有计算机科学学位，但找工作太难了。入门级工作需要5年经验，真是疯狂。
Have a Chemical Engineering degree and same. It's tough, there aren't enough high paying positions. School is a bubble. Life is real.
有化学工程学位，同样情况。很难，高薪职位不足。学校是一个泡沫，生活是真实的。
That’s strange. I can’t get FAANG recruiters from stop talking to me. I guess it depends on where you get your degree
这很奇怪。我无法让FAANG的招聘人员停止联系我。我猜这取决于你在哪里获得学位。
@mike48084 I think it’s mostly comes down to internship experience. It’s tough out there but having an internship can give you a leg up or a full time return offer.
我认为这主要归结于实习经验。在外面很难，但有一个实习可以让你领先一步或获得全职回报。
Facts...even in accounting they want you to have experience which is absurd if they won't give you the opportunity.
事实……即使在会计领域，他们也希望你有经验，如果他们不给你机会，这很荒谬。
Physics degree here with some graduate school also in addition to 4 years of paid experimental research with entities such as the NSF and DOE. Been unemployed 6 months and still fighting tooth and nail for an entry level position in industry. It’s nuts how places want you to have a Masters or PhD plus engineering certificates with 5+ years of “experience”. This is insane.
这里有物理学位，还有一些研究生学位，此外还有与NSF和DOE等机构的4年带薪实验研究。失业6个月了，仍在为行业中的入门职位拼命争取。这些地方希望你有硕士或博士学位加上5年以上的“经验”，真是疯了。
I'm 54. When I was a kid a college degree during the 70s was a HUGE accomplishment. Now a college degree is basically a HS diploma. Yes I'd like cheese on that (Job waitingf for a CG - BA in English )
我54岁了。我小时候，在70年代，大学学位是一个巨大的成就。现在大学学位基本上相当于高中毕业文凭。是的，我想要芝士（等待一个CG的工作 - 英语学士）
College worked out for the Boomer and Gen X generations.
大学对婴儿潮一代和X世代有效。
That's the problem. Too many people are going to college. The employers can ask for a degree and still pay less. It's best to focus on your skill set.
这就是问题所在。太多人上大学了。雇主可以要求学位，但工资仍然较低。最好专注于你的技能。
@phobedavis7014 Even to work a front desk job or to work as a secretary employers are asking for a college degree. A HS diploma is worth as much as toilet paper.
即使是前台工作或秘书工作，雇主也在要求大学学位。高中毕业文凭和厕纸一样不值钱。
@Yandel21ableify If you owned a large investment bank, would you trust anyone who learned banking via YouTube, but with no degree??
如果你拥有一家大型投资银行，你会信任一个通过YouTube学习银行业务但没有学位的人吗？
We’re now entirely in the age of internet, people are realizing that you have to look at more than someone’s college degree. Unless you graduated from a prestigious of course, then you’ll get scouted
我们现在完全处于互联网时代，人们意识到你必须看重的不仅仅是某人的大学学位。除非你毕业于一所名校，那样你会被挖走。
@Yandel21ableify A geography degree, which includes at least 2 years of mathematics, programming and statistics courses which are invaluable skills in the financial world?
地理学位，包括至少2年的数学、编程和统计课程，这些技能在金融界是无价的？
我见过电气工程师和物理学家在华尔街找到工作，正是因为定量技能在这类工作中很有用。
@Yandel21ableify I wouldnt waste my time going to college pulling all nighters just to end up at a desk job, when I can go into a trade field and contribute to society growth.
我不会浪费时间去上大学熬夜学习，然后最终得到一份办公室工作，而我可以进入一个贸易领域，为社会发展做贡献。
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What most college aged kids don't realize is that you don't necessarily NEED a degree for everything. Go to college and see what technical certificate programs they offer and decide if it's right for you. It will only take 1 year to complete and it should be no more than $5,000. You'll make just as decent pay as anyone else who went to college and you won't be in debt. You can also qualify for grants as well.
大多数大学年龄的孩子没有意识到的是，你不一定需要一个学位来做所有事情。去大学看看他们提供什么技术证书课程，看看是否适合你。只需1年时间完成，不应超过5000美元。你会赚到和其他上大学的人一样体面的工资，而且不会有债务。你也可以有资格获得补助金。
I'm working a job that "prefers" a Masters Degree with an Associates degree and its one of the easiest jobs I've ever worked. Advanced degrees are important for certain jobs (engineering, Doctor, Law, Psychology, etc.) but many fields don't require it to actually do the work. You learn most, if not all, the skills at the job.
我正在做一份“偏好”硕士学位的工作，但我只有副学士学位，这是我做过的最轻松的工作之一。高级学位对某些工作（工程、医生、法律、心理学等）很重要，但很多领域实际上并不需要它来完成工作。你在工作中学到的大部分，如果不是全部技能。
NOT WORTH IT i dropped out of school ( bio major) and ended up making 120k annually with the railroad industry.
There are many blue collar jobs that pay very well and many companies u can ascend from the bottom up!
Problem is? Youngsters are lazy, entitled, and want instant gratification!
不值得。我辍学了（生物专业），最后在铁路行业年收入12万美元。
有很多蓝领工作薪水很高，很多公司你可以从底层做起！
问题是？年轻人懒惰、自命不凡，想要即时满足！
as an analyst. Learned advanced Excel and SQL on my own and at the job.
作为分析师。我自己学习了高级Excel和SQL以及在工作中学习。
I watched my eldest sister go to college, get three associates, a bachelor's, and a masters, just to end up getting a job at elderly Care facility making less money than I make as a bus driver with a class b license that I obtained after I dropped out of college due to financial hardship at the time. The necessity to further your education is really subjective depending on things like your financial background, what field you're going into, if you have the means and ability to complete the curriculum for the degree, and if you actually have opportunities made available to you once you graduate. My mom went to school for medical administration and got her bachelor's degree in the field, only for no employer to want to even offer her an internship when she applied because they felt she was "too mature of age" to be invested in (in her late 40s). My other sister recently got her bachelor's degree in business, so time will tell how that pays off, but overall, it just seems to me that unless you come from a background of privilege, nepotism, and things like networking and inside connections working in your favor (or if you're just really smart and go into the field of engineering or science), it just seems more likely than not that you'll end up not much better off or on about equal footing as somebody who just gets the right good paying job opportunity, or even a basic license or certificate with their high school diploma or GED.
我看着我大姐上大学，获得三个副学士学位、一个学士学位和一个硕士学位，最后在一家老年护理机构找到一份工资比我作为持有B类执照的公交车司机还低的工作，而我当时因为经济困难辍学。继续教育的必要性确实是主观的，取决于你的经济背景、你所进入的领域、你是否有能力完成学位课程，以及你毕业后是否有机会。我妈妈上学学习医疗管理，获得该领域的学士学位，但在她申请时，没有雇主愿意给她提供实习机会，因为他们觉得她“年纪太大”而无法投资（40多岁）。我另一个妹妹最近获得了商业学士学位，时间会告诉我们这是否有回报，但总体而言，我觉得除非你来自特权、裙带关系以及像人际网络和内部关系对你有利的背景（或者你真的很聪明并进入工程或科学领域），否则你最终很可能不会比那些获得好工作机会或甚至只拥有高中毕业文凭或GED的人好多少。
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It's funny you said that when that 2016 college scandal came out that should have told everyone that even if you came from a working class or middle class background upward mobility was next to impossible because the wealthy and the rich will always get the better positions in most jobs or organizations that folks in the lower rungs of society want to get
有趣的是，你说到2016年大学丑闻曝光时，这应该告诉所有人，即使你来自工人阶级或中产阶级背景，上升的社会流动几乎是不可能的，因为富人和有钱人总是能在大多数工作或组织中获得更好的职位，这是社会底层的人们想要得到的。
Some of this is true, that being said, not everyone is okay with driving a bus, cutting grass, or digging ditches for a living. It’s hard work and all those things take a toll on your body compared to white collar jobs that require a degree. Plenty of plumbers and HVAC workers make six figures, but what they don’t tell you is that they’ve spent 10+ years on the job working 70 hours a week while also getting their contractors license.
其中有些是对的，话虽如此，并不是每个人都愿意靠开公交车、剪草或挖沟为生。这是辛苦的工作，与需要学位的白领工作相比，这些工作对身体的损耗很大。很多水管工和暖通空调工人的收入达到了六位数，但他们没有告诉你的是，他们在工作中花费了10多年，每周工作70小时，同时还获得了他们的承包商执照。
@hillyseattlenarrowstreets6087 The median income nationwide is only about $45k before business expesnses, so I wouldn't count on it.
全国的中位收入在扣除业务开支前只有大约4.5万美元，所以我不会指望这个。
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In my country in Europe, they have implemented a DUAL system.
After compulsory schooling of 11 years you are 16 and either go to learn a TRADE as an apprentice or choose HIGHER education. Many jobs don't require higher education, are more manual and the skills are best acquired through an apprenticeship. We only pursue higher education, with emphasis on a SPECIFIC degree, that is required for the job we want to have. So, in the end we have qualified workers. The enrollment of post-secondary education is low compared to other countries, only 20% of the student population enrolls. Because enrollment is low, the government pays for our tuition, so we only have low semester fees of a couple hundred $.
在我所在的欧洲国家，他们实施了双轨制。
在11年的义务教育后，你16岁，要么作为学徒学习一门手艺，要么选择高等教育。许多工作不需要高等教育，更注重手工技能，而这些技能最好通过学徒培训获得。我们只追求高等教育，强调获得特定学位，这是我们想要从事的工作的要求。所以最终我们有合格的工人。与其他国家相比，高等教育的入学率较低，只有20%的学生人口入学。因为入学率低，政府为我们的学费买单，所以我们每学期只需支付几百美元的费用。
We should normalize not making college a degree a requirement and government should invest more in trade education. Our society depends on both. Plus a trade in my country, puts you in middle class, if you also have the ambition to take over or found a small business, it's also doable.
大学生入学率高是低效的，不仅因为许多工作不需要这样的学位，还因为这使得就业市场过饱和，大学生拥有漂亮但不必要的人文学位，导致失业率高，找工作时他们的资格过高，实际学位无关。
我们应该正常化不将大学学位作为必需条件，政府应该更多地投资于职业教育。我们的社会依赖于两者。而且在我的国家，有一门手艺可以使你进入中产阶级，如果你也有接管或创办小企业的雄心壮志，这也是可以做到的。
To be honest college now a days really doesn’t give you a “good job” right off the bat you either need to know someone or you start your own business.
老实说，现在的大学真的不能马上给你一个“好工作”，你要么需要认识某个人，要么自己创业。
Well you always need to “know someone” to get what you want, and starting a business is actually more risky and returns less money than going to college. It’s not the golden ticket that you think it is
你总是需要“认识某个人”来得到你想要的东西，创业实际上比上大学更有风险，回报也更少。这不是你想象中的黄金通行证。
Graduated with a 3.9, and multiple honors/job experiences/skills sets but that didn't make a dent in how employers see me. We can't really hit the ground running without someone to give us a chance (and I've tried multiple times to start businesses but everything requires money to invest, but sadly I was born into poverty). The secret is who you know or whoever's interested enough to entertain you with a job or chance.
我以3.9的成绩毕业，并有多项荣誉/工作经验/技能，但这并没有改变雇主对我的看法。如果没有人给我们机会，我们真的无法马上上手（我多次尝试创业，但一切都需要投资资金，可惜我生在贫困家庭）。秘诀是你认识谁，或者谁对你感兴趣并给你工作或机会。
I has always been about “who you know” in any industry. Because if you were to apply with no connections then you will be extremely lucky to even get the job. I’ve known that’s just how the world really works before ever finishing high school. That is for any well paying job of course, as it is much easier to get min/low paying jobs.
在任何行业，关键都是“你认识谁”。因为如果你没有关系去申请，那么你能得到这份工作真的非常幸运。我在上高中之前就知道这就是世界的真实运作方式。当然这是指任何高薪工作，因为低薪/低薪工作要容易得多。
@skeptik6707 Yeah the media does a good job of saying how important the degree is but leaves out the part about connections.
是的，媒体在说学位有多重要方面做得很好，但忽略了关于关系的重要性。
@hunterbarry5754 completely disagree. Business ownership is hard and not for everyone . Many don’t have the skills or grit to make it . But you don’t need lots of debts for many businesses and still income is leaps and bounds beyond anything college can give you.
完全不同意。拥有企业很难，并不适合所有人。许多人没有技能或勇气做到这一点。但是你不需要为很多企业承担大量债务，而且收入远远超出大学能给你的任何东西。
I know some friends that called me dumb for not going to college. 6 years later I’m a concrete contractor and half of them are working as cashiers at a supermarket with a college degree and debt.
我知道一些朋友因为我没上大学而叫我傻子。六年后，我是一名混凝土承包商，而他们中的一半人带着大学学位和债务在超市当收银员。
The trades are a great option for the non college group!
职业是非大学群体的一个很好的选择！
My wife and I both have degrees and together about 100 thousand in student debt. Neither one of us work in our fields. We own a business. I agree.
我和我妻子都有学位，共有约10万美元的学生债务。我们都没有在自己的领域工作。我们拥有一家企业。我同意。
It is NOT worth it. I always thought a college education was an expensive joke. Not worth the time, cost or effort. You end up in debt for the rest of your life.
不值得。我一直认为大学教育是一个昂贵的笑话。不值得花时间、成本或精力。你会一辈子
Whether you go to college or not, you still have to study and learn constantly throughout your life because the world keeps changing and adding new knowledge and you have to keep up to stay employed, especially in tech fields. One advantage of colleges is that they train you to be better learners. All the reading and researches you have to do and reports and papers you have to write make you a more disciplined, efficient learner of high-level knowledge. I suggest everyone at least take an affordable local or online college course or two just to see what that's like.
When I graduated from computer science, all the computer tech I learned the previous four years had already become obsolete because tech goes obsolete very quickly as we all know. Did that make my college experience worthless? Of course not. It gave me a great foundation and made me a better learner and better prepared me for the future.
无论你是否上大学，你都必须不断学习，因为世界在不断变化并增加新知识，你必须跟上步伐才能保持就业，特别是在技术领域。大学的一个优势是它们训练你成为更好的学习者。所有的阅读、研究、报告和论文都让你成为一个更有纪律、更高效的高级知识学习者。我建议每个人至少参加一个负担得起的本地或在线大学课程，看看这是什么样子。
当我毕业于计算机科学时，我过去四年学到的所有计算机技术已经过时了，因为我们都知道技术变化很快。这是否使我的大学经历变得毫无价值？当然不是。它给了我一个很好的基础，让我成为一个更好的学习者，更好地为未来做好准备。
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And I can do that without 200k of debt
而且我可以不用负债20万美元来做到这一点。
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Community college is in the thousands buddy
社区大学的学费是几千美元，伙计。
Even getting an associate's degree without any direction can be a catastrophic mistake. All that time in community college would only means increased costs in the end. Plus, even with a "degree" in a field in high demand, the best way to stand out is to purchase to acquire OTHER certifications and licenses that your college doesn't really inform you on nor even have, along with the fact that employers like to hire people with at least 2 or 3 years of experience in said field.
Add on the implications that people have living expenses like food, rent, health, transportation (all as an individual) along with income and property taxes all being piled on whatever means of income you have, makes you really consider. This just makes people likely to view even community college as more of a large obstacle.
In other words, more thought is being given to where the trade-off is in terms of time versus money.
即使没有任何方向地获得副学士学位也可能是一个灾难性的错误。所有在社区大学的时间最终只意味着增加成本。此外，即使在需求量大的领域有“学位”，脱颖而出的最好方法是获得其他证书和执照，而你的大学实际上并没有通知你这些，甚至没有这些，再加上雇主喜欢雇佣至少有2或3年该领域经验的人。
加上人们的生活费用，如食物、租金、健康、交通（所有这些都是个人的），再加上收入和财产税都堆积在你拥有的任何收入方式上，这真的让你考虑。这使得人们更可能将社区大学视为一个大障碍。
换句话说，更多的考虑是时间与金钱的权衡。
Every aspect of life rewards a fast learner, and that's what you go to college to learn to be. Also, even though you study CS, you need a whole lot more knowledge than computers. If you develop software for, say, a garment company, then you need to know about the garment industry. Work in healthcare industry, retail industry, etc., and you will need to know about them too. Be prepared to learn a whole lot of stuff, anything and everything that your future jobs will surely require.
生活的每个方面都奖励快速学习者，这就是你去大学学习的目的。此外，即使你学习计算机科学，你也需要比计算机更多的知识。如果你为一家服装公司开发软件，那么你需要了解服装行业。在医疗保健行业、零售行业等工作，你也需要了解它们。准备学习大量的东西，任何和你未来的工作肯定需要的一切。
I’d much rather learn up to date relevant information in just about any field by taking digital courses from people who are the experts in any industry. They cost a fraction of the price of a degree and are way more valuable in terms of being able to use that knowledge right away. YouTube and experts creating digital courses have made most degrees obsolete. Especially computer science.
我宁愿通过从各个行业的专家那里学习数字课程来学习最新的相关信息。这些课程的费用只是一部分学位的价格，而且在能够立即使用这些知识方面更有价值。YouTube和专家创建的数字课程已经使大多数学位过时了。特别是计算机科学。
"50 years from now you're going to realize you dropped $150,000 on an education when you could have gotten the same information for $1.50 in late fees at your local library." Will Hunting
50年后，你会意识到你花了15万美元接受教育，而你可以在当地图书馆用1.50美元的滞纳金获得相同的信息。——《心灵捕手》
Good movie. But uh, degrees don't cost 150k...the average debt is around 35k. And good luck being a doctor or an engineer with $1.50 in fees from the local library. "Oh hey, let me operate on you. It's fine, I learned it all from the library", or "I'm going to build this bridge here, I'm a civil engineer. Learned it all from the library!".
好电影。但学位不需要15万美元……平均债务大约是3.5万美元。祝你好运，用当地图书馆的1.50美元费用成为医生或工程师。“哦嘿，让我来给你做手术。没关系，我从图书馆学到了所有东西。”或者“我要在这里建这座桥，我是土木工程师。从图书馆学到了所有东西！”
Add on interest, student loan forgiveness is a thing for a reason. Majority of population in USA makes 38k or less. Somewhere around 68% of the population. The ROI isn’t there to payoff these loans so while the on paper charged costs might be significantly less than $150k they easily reach that figure over the life of the loan. Most grads aren’t paying more than the minimum payment if at all.
加上利息，学生贷款减免是有原因的。美国大多数人口收入为38k或更少。大约68%的人口。投资回报率不足以偿还这些贷款，因此尽管账面费用可能显著低于150k，但在贷款期限内很容易达到这一数字。大多数毕业生支付的金额不会超过最低付款，如果有的话。
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"Men with bachelor's degrees earn approximately $900,000 more in median lifetime earnings than high school graduates. Women with bachelor's degrees earn $630,000 more. Men with graduate degrees earn $1.5 million more in median lifetime earnings than high school graduates. Women with graduate degrees earn $1.1 million more."
“拥有学士学位的男性比高中毕业生的终生收入中位数高约90万美元。拥有学士学位的女性多赚63万美元。拥有研究生学位的男性比高中毕业生的终生收入中位数多赚150万美元。拥有研究生学位的女性多赚110万美元。”
The US needs to upxe how high school works. I believe it should branch into three different sections. It would start with all kids in 9th-10th grade focusing mainly on math, science, history, and English. Once you hit 11th grade, that's when schooling starts to branch. The first branch would be a trade school(mechanic, plumber, electrician, hair stylist, chef, dental hygienist). This would allow kids to come out of high school with high-paying jobs. If they want to go to college to pursue something else, at least they have something to fall back on. The second branch would be for kids who are interested in a more modern-day trade school. These students would focus more on jobs in the tech field(coding, graphic design, UX/UI, marketing, scrum master, project manager, data analyst). The third would be for students who don't want to be in the tech field or learn a trade. This would pretty much be a traditional high school.
美国需要更新高中教育。我认为应该分成三个不同的部分。9-10年级的所有孩子主要集中在数学、科学、历史和英语上。一旦进入11年级，教育就开始分支。第一条分支将是职业学校（机械师、水管工、电工、发型师、厨师、牙科保健师）。这将允许孩子们从高中毕业后拥有高薪工作。如果他们想上大学追求其他东西，至少他们有可以依靠的东西。第二条分支将面向那些对现代职业学校感兴趣的孩子。这些学生将更多地关注技术领域的工作（编码、平面设计、用户体验/用户界面、营销、Scrum Master、项目经理、数据分析师）。第三条将面向那些不想进入技术领域或学习职业的学生。这将基本上是一个传统的高中。
I knew several people who wanted to do military straight out of high school instead of going to college. I asked one of them, which was my friend, and he told me because he wanted to earn money right away, travel, and have the military pay for his college. His a sergeant now who has lived in Germany and has lived in two different States.
我认识几个人，他们高中毕业后想直接参军而不是上大学。我问了其中一个人，他是我的朋友，他告诉我，因为他想马上挣钱、旅行，并且让军队支付他的大学费用。他现在是一名中士，住过德国，也住过两个不同的州。
But at the end they all cry ptsd
但最终他们都哭诉创伤后应激障碍（PTSD）。
@everythingvideos24 as do so many people in society who have never been in the military!
就像社会上很多从未参军的人一样！
I did 6 years in the Air Force and it worked pretty well for me. Got money for school, and got 25 college credits for things like Basic Training and Tech School.
我在空军服役了6年，这对我来说效果很好。获得了上学的钱，并且通过基本训练和技术学校获得了25个大学学分。
Ahh yes. Sign the contract to serve big daddy govt. Sounds awful.
啊，是的。签合同为政府服务。听起来很糟糕。
You make more and get a higher rank if you finish college and then go to college
如果你完成大学学业并然后继续上大学，你会赚更多的钱并获得更高的职位。
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I used to serve in the Air Force, and this comment right here is 100% true.
我曾在空军服役，这条评论完全正确。
I encourage high schoolers and their families to consider it. Yes, you can get hurt. Yes, it's not easy. But I will say the VA disability compensation and the educational benefits aren't half bad.
我鼓励高中生及其家庭考虑这一点。是的，你可能会受伤。是的，这不容易。但我要说的是，退伍军人事务部的伤残补偿和教育福利还不错。
@bobbygonzalez2496 u make it as if working for jeff bezos or walmart is better.
你说得好像为杰夫·贝佐斯或沃尔玛工作更好一样。
I’m still upset that there wasn’t any sort of adjustment to tuition during the prime of COVID because we didn’t get to experience classes as we should’ve. I personally felt like all of my professors got lazier and turned to pre-recorded videos and open office hours- with many emails requiring clarifications on this topic- or slight adjustments to that topic- or learning AFTER an exam that the topic was “actually like this!” when it was not clear in the presentation/videos… it was just frustrating and I do feel like my grades suffered some because of that.
我仍然对COVID疫情高峰期学费没有任何调整感到不满，因为我们没有如期体验课程。我个人感觉我的所有教授都变懒了，转向预录视频和开放办公时间——有很多邮件需要澄清这个话题——或者对那个话题做一些小调整——或者在考试后学习这个话题“实际上是这样的！” 当它在演示/视频中不清楚时……这让人很沮丧，我确实觉得我的成绩因此受到了一些影响。
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I do feel like the value of college is questionable in certain circumstances/situations/majors. I just graduated this spring and job hunted for a while- everywhere I interviewed I still felt like I was being offered bottom dollar prices (mind you I took a STEM major) just because I did not have as much experience. Luckily I’m finally finding a job I’m settling with now- but it was frustrating that I was either getting rejected or offered a lower value due to what I have/haven’t done.
我还觉得这是教授们为了弥补不上课而给了很多填充作业的借口，这在精神上非常疲惫，每天整天坐在桌子前，然后醒来再重复一遍。
我确实觉得在某些情况下/环境/专业中，大学的价值是值得怀疑的。我今年春天刚毕业，找了一段时间工作——我面试的每个地方我仍然觉得我被提供了最低的价格（请注意我是STEM专业），只是因为我没有那么多经验。幸运的是，我终于找到了一份我满意的工作——但令人沮丧的是，我要么被拒绝，要么因为我做过/没做过的事情而被提供了更低的价值。
我们刚刚从一次疫情中勉强爬出来（老实说，可能很快又会爬进另一个疫情），很多人失去了工作（像我一样），所以我努力寻找尽可能与我希望从事的职业相关的最佳机会。虽然我知道这不完全是他们所要求的，但他们仍然需要培训我具体的细节——那么他们为什么要这么吝啬呢？
Everybody wants experience but nobody wants to give it.
每个人都想要经验，但没有人愿意给予。
I went to a prestigious University got my bachelor's degree in an unconventional way. I went to Community College or Junior College first before I went to University and saved lots of money doing so. I genuinely think 18 year old kids are not ready to go to university
我以一种非常规的方式获得了学士学位，我先上了社区学院或初级学院，然后才上大学，这样节省了很多钱。我真心认为18岁的孩子还没准备好上大学。
Some 18 year olds are not ready for college. We can not lump all in the same barrel making a blanket statement. Just something to ponder...
有些18岁的孩子确实还没准备好上大学。我们不能把所有人都归为一类做出笼统的说法。只是一个需要思考的问题……
@cuprunnethover2509 I think it's most, not some.
我认为是大多数，不是少数。
Agree I'm thinking of going to community college first and then university
同意，我正在考虑先上社区大学然后再上大学。
@nancia24 Go to a CC. See if they have a transfer or academic scholarship. I did one that only required a 3.2 GPA, which isn't hard for general elective classes. All transfer students who were part of the honor society got an academic transfer scholarship; it pays half my tuition. I'll graduate in the spring with a degree in Computer Science and $0 in debt.
去社区大学（CC）。看看他们是否有转学或学术奖学金。我做了一个只要求3.2 GPA的奖学金，这对普通选修课来说并不难。所有荣誉学会的转学生都获得了学术转学奖学金；它支付了我一半的学费。我将在春季毕业，获得计算机科学学位，并且没有债务。
I did same. Community college, and now wrapping up bachelors in 2 years
我也是这样做的。先上社区大学，现在用2年的时间完成学士学位。
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@jones2277 true statement. I was in fact 18 at the time. But I have seen alot of kids dropping from university when I was there. Most were straight out of high school. Transfer students were more stable.
确实如此。我当时确实是18岁。但我看到很多孩子在我在那里的时候从大学退学了。大多数是直接从高中毕业的。转学生更加稳定。
Why do we need two years of “gen eds” when we had four years of them in high school. Stop the college scam.
为什么我们需要两年的“普通教育”，当我们在高中已经有四年的普通教育时。停止大学骗局。
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College in retrospect:
I just became an adult. All throughout high school I was encouraged to attend college because of more opportunities for money and employment. Meanwhile I could have went to trade school, been trained professionally, been working on a professional job site, earned four years of job experience while training in that field and earning a guaranteed job post training. Instead I have accrued crippling debt for a useless degree, with no job experience to use that degree and squandered 4 years of potential employment all at the ripe age of 22. College is a scam to keep people financially crippled and dependent on government loans on the pretense of false hope.
回顾大学：
我刚刚成年。在整个高中期间，我被鼓励上大学，因为这意味着更多的赚钱和就业机会。同时，我本可以去职业学校，接受专业培训，在一个专业的工作现场工作，在该领域获得四年的工作经验，并在培训后获得一份有保障的工作。相反，我为一个无用的学位累积了巨额债务，没有工作经验来使用那个学位，浪费了4年的潜在就业机会，而这时我才22岁。大学是一个骗局，让人们在虚假的希望下依赖政府贷款，陷入财务困境。
The amount of people I know that went to college without considering "Will this degree help me get a job that pays more than it's gonna cost?" and then get stuck in another field entirely than what they got one for is pretty sad. Now they are just struggling 24/7 to pay off that mistake
我认识的很多人上大学时没有考虑“这个学位是否能帮助我找到一份薪水超过学费的工作？” 然后陷入与他们所学专业完全无关的领域，这真的很悲哀。现在他们每天都在努力偿还那个错误的代价。
I went to college and it was the biggest waste of money, time and stress. I make more money now in a totally different field that i learned from YouTube
我上了大学，但这是我在金钱、时间和压力上的最大浪费。我现在在一个完全不同的领域赚更多的钱，这个领域我从YouTube上学到。
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Every job advertisement I see requires a bachelor's degree.
我看到的每个招聘广告都要求学士学位。
I too questioned the value of college until I lost my job about 10 years ago and couldn't apply to about 75% of posted listings because it required a college diploma. I couldn't even get past the HR people to get a shot with the hiring managers. I eventually found a job of course but that's when I decided never again, and went to a community college, then transferred over to a state college to finish it off. College don't have to be expensive. One of the biggest problem I see are people going to expensive colleges/universities that they can't afford.
我也曾质疑大学的价值，直到大约10年前我失业了，无法申请大约75%的职位，因为它们要求大学文凭。我甚至无法通过人力资源人员与招聘经理面谈。当然，我最终找到了工作，但那时我决定不再这样做，于是去了社区大学，然后转到州立大学完成学业。大学不必昂贵。我看到的最大问题之一是人们去上他们负担不起的昂贵大学。
Please note: Having no college degree does not make you any less than someone who does. Don't get fooled by labels. But yeah, many people rush themselves to get into college just because society has sold us this absurd idea.
请注意：没有大学学位并不意味着你比有学位的人差。不要被标签迷惑。但是，是的，许多人急于上大学只是因为社会向我们灌输了这个荒谬的想法。
Community College, Trade School or the military are the best options in this economy. There’s no way I would go $100k in debt for a philosophy degree.
在这种经济环境下，社区大学、职业学校或军队是最好的选择。我绝不会为了一个哲学学位而负债10万美元。
The value of a college degree is both personal and monetary. I loved my 5 years in college, studied hard, and had lots of fun. I was single, poor, and young with no responsibilities. Best time of my life. My advice is not to rush to become parents. Live your life and travel first. See the world.
大学学位的价值既是个人的也是金钱的。我喜欢我在大学的五年，努力学习，玩得很开心。我单身，贫穷，年轻，没有责任。是我人生中最好的时光。我的建议是不要急于成为父母。先过好你的生活，去旅行。看看世界。
A lot graduates get denied from a job due to lack of experience. Since these graduates have no experience, they are going to get a low-paying that doesn't require any experience. So, it is not really the degree that is the problem. It is lack of experience.
很多毕业生因为缺乏经验而被拒绝工作。由于这些毕业生没有经验，他们将得到一份不需要任何经验的低薪工作。所以，问题不在于学位，而是缺乏经验。
College sent me spiraling into addiction. Professors never taught, everyone got the same grade as I did even though no one else did the work. I was forced by professors to allow other students to copy my exams and essays, even the college VP and President was in on it, “pass everyone so we keep getting our funding.”
I thought, maybe grad school will be better, I’ll be around more intellects like myself. Unfortunately, It showed me exactly how the real world works, “there is no such thing as morality,” and it destroyed my spirit. If you didn’t agree with those snotty PhD professors they’d ruin your academic career, and boy did they ruin mine! Why spend 6 figures to be just like everyone else? If I had a second go around at this life I’d have chosen not to attend college.
大学把我推向了上瘾的深渊。教授们从未教过，虽然没有其他人做作业，但每个人都得到了和我一样的成绩。我被教授们逼迫，让其他学生抄袭我的考试和论文，甚至大学副校长和校长也参与其中，“通过所有人，这样我们就能继续获得资助。”
我想，也许研究生院会更好，我会和更多像我这样的知识分子在一起。不幸的是，这向我展示了现实世界是如何运作的，“没有所谓的道德”，这摧毁了我的精神。如果你不同意那些傲慢的博士教授，他们会毁掉你的学术生涯，而他们确实毁了我的！为什么要花六位数的钱去做和其他人一样的事情？如果我有第二次机会，我会选择不上大学。
Group projects always annoyed me. One or two people would do the work, while those that did little to no work got the same grade.
小组项目总是让我恼火。一个或两个人会做所有的工作，而那些几乎不做任何工作的人得到了相同的成绩。
when i got my bachelor half the class basically hardly showed up. everybody got about the average grade even if you studied hard or not. from what i heard the university had to create some sort of statistics that's not too far off in each year.
当我获得学士学位时，班里基本上有一半人几乎不出现。无论你是否努力学习，每个人都得到了大约的平均成绩。据我所知，大学每年都必须创建一些不太离谱的统计数据。
@boydseabiscuit2635 In order to receive state funding universities have to meet a certain quota. They’ll pass anyone whether they get an education or not just to keep the money flow coming. The scariest part about this was that they were producing teachers and nurses who were gonna go teach and work in healthcare in the real world.
At my alma mater, they cancelled the nursing and education programs because the entire class of 2018 in the nursing program couldn’t pass the certification testing and no one from the certification offices understood why since all their grades were perfect. the education program was cancelled a few years earlier for the same reason. And, to think, how many from before the cancellation are out there now teaching our children and nursing our sick is just disgusting.
为了获得国家资助，大学必须达到一定的配额。无论他们是否接受教育，他们都会让每个人通过，只是为了保持资金流动。最可怕的是，他们正在培养将要在现实世界中教书和工作的教师和护士。
在我的母校，他们取消了护理和教育项目，因为2018年护理项目的整个班级都无法通过认证考试，而认证办公室的人不知道为什么，因为他们的成绩都是完美的。几年前，教育项目因同样的原因被取消。想到在取消之前有多少人现在在教我们的孩子和照顾我们的病人，这真是令人作呕。
@dippyduty6163 because we fell for the college scam. “life will be better, you’ll get a job, people will reach out for your credentials…” I graduated over 12 years ago and not once have I been employed. I put my degree away, it seems to just mock me at this point.
因为我们陷入了大学骗局。“生活会变得更好，你会找到工作，人们会向你伸出橄榄枝……”我毕业已经超过12年了，但我从未被雇佣过。我把学位收起来了，现在它似乎只是嘲笑我。
@Eyegetdeep nah, there’s a lot of us. No one speaks of it because “you’re not allowed to talk bad about a college education.”
不，我们中有很多人。没有人说出来，因为“你不能谈论大学教育的坏话。”
@hollyholy641 Don't feel too bad. I fell for it more than once. I took a class initially, then sought an associates. Thinking it would get better, I eventually went on for a bachelors. I've managed to work in a variety of fields due to having two different, yet somewhat related, degrees; though never seeming to find the right fit for me.
别觉得太糟糕。我不止一次上当了。我最初上了一门课，然后寻求一个副学士学位。想着会变得更好，我最终去读了一个学士学位。由于拥有两个不同但有点相关的学位，我设法在各种领域工作；尽管从未找到真正适合我的。
when i got my bachelor half the class basically hardly showed up. everybody got about the average grade even if you studied hard or not. from what i heard the university had to create some sort of statistics that's not too far off in each year.
当我获得学士学位时，班里基本上有一半人几乎不出现。无论你是否努力学习，每个人都得到了大约的平均成绩。据我所知，大学每年都必须创建一些不太离谱的统计数据。
That's scary. For some reason it reminds me of what someone asked me once. What do you call a medical student who graduated with "D's"?..... Doctor.
这太可怕了。由于某种原因，这让我想起了有人曾经问过我的问题。你怎么称呼一个以“D”毕业的医学生？..... 医生。
I was an educator (K-12 and college) for 25 years. I managed to parlay my degree into a lot of really great jobs. But, the only reason I went to college was to become a teacher. After years in the profession, I’ve learned that good teachers aren’t made in college - they are made in the classroom. It’s a conundrum. If I were to do it all over again, I’d go to community college first, then university to finish. I’d also take a year or more to just work and then decide what to do. 18 is too young to know what you want to do. I didn’t have a lot of choices, though.
我当了25年的教育工作者（从K-12到大学）。我设法利用我的学位找到很多非常棒的工作。但是，我上大学的唯一原因是成为一名教师。多年从业之后，我发现好老师不是在大学里培养的——而是在课堂上培养的。这是一个难题。如果让我重新来过，我会先上社区大学，然后再上大学完成学业。我还会花一年或更长时间去工作，然后再决定做什么。18岁太年轻了，不知道自己想做什么。不过我当时没有太多选择。
A college degree holds no promises and does not defines success.
大学学位没有承诺，也不定义成功。
I recently graduated with my MBA option Accounting in May. I was a reentry student after a 10 year absence. I was in community college for 5 years as well. I notice the longer a student is in community college the harder it is for them to transfer out. I also notice taking classes unrelated to your major was a major Gate keeper for students. I understand that the goal of this is to have students well rounded when they leave but looking back I never did use those algebra or stats formulas. Also the counselors do not do a good advising students because they take a lot of random classes which only delays transferring.
我最近在5月获得了会计MBA学位。我是10年后重新入学的学生。我在社区大学也读了5年。我注意到，学生在社区大学待的时间越长，就越难转学出去。我还注意到，选修与专业无关的课程是学生的主要门槛。我理解这样做的目的是让学生在离开时更加全面，但回顾过去，我从未使用过那些代数或统计公式。而且辅导员没有很好地指导学生，因为他们选了很多随机的课程，这只会延迟转学。
我很幸运能够按时完成本科课程。我还在不到2年的时间里完成了硕士课程，总共贷款33k。我去了州立大学。它没有像私立或其他大学那样漂亮的校园或学校精神，但我一直觉得大学是你自己创造的。学生需要充分利用大学的资源！我觉得我是幸运的，因为我的职业薪水不错，我知道我不会有还贷款的困难。
I would rather pay for a certification in a field of study, rather than pay an arm and a leg for a 4 - 6 year college degree, just to get a job you MAY not end up getting and then paying back all that student debt!
我宁愿支付一个领域的认证费用，而不是为一个4-6年的大学学位支付巨款，只是为了得到一份你可能最终得不到的工作，然后还清所有的学生债务！
I'm a senior IT consultant and only have a high school diploma. I'm in the six figures and never needed a degree to get a job. Thank God
我是高级IT顾问，只有高中毕业文凭。我年薪六位数，从来不需要学位来找工作。谢天谢地。
The only value a college degree has is having connections for when you graduate if you graduated. Connections such as mommy's or daddy's friends that are able to pull a string here or there for their friend child/children.
大学学位的唯一价值在于你毕业后拥有的人脉。这些人脉例如妈妈或爸爸的朋友，可以在这里或那里为他们的朋友孩子牵线搭桥。
Well I am finding it extremely challenging at the moment in breaking into tech with my bachelors degree in computer science which I obtained 7 months ago. I ended up going to a public Cal State and I have discovered that school name, program prestige, and other factors specific to my industry matters a lot in the corporate world. I am the first in my family to graduate from college in which I am facing all this barriers first hand unlike my peers which have the advantage of educated parents to guide them.
我发现目前用我7个月前获得的计算机科学学士学位进入技术领域非常具有挑战性。我最终去了加州州立大学，并发现学校名称、项目声誉和其他特定于我所在行业的因素在公司世界中非常重要。我是我家第一个大学毕业的人，我亲身面对这些障碍，与我的同龄人不同，他们有受过教育的父母指导他们。
就我目前所面临的情况来看，我个人认为企业界和学术界之间存在巨大脱节。企业界对个人的技能要求太多，却没有实际投资于我们，学术界在满足这一需求方面能做的也有限。大学学位是否值得？我个人认为是的，因为教育是一种非常强大的工具。根据我所看到的，最终的罪魁祸首归结为供需，这是一种强大的经济力量，不幸的是，随着世界事件的发展，对于我们这些刚刚进入高薪职位的毕业生来说，这有点糟糕。
As someone who is just starting college, I did really question the value. I want to be an aerospace engineer and I made sure I was completely sure before putting down money. I respect so many of my friends who have decided not to go simply because of the enormous price tag. Knowledge shouldn't be gatekept by a price tag.
作为一个刚刚开始上大学的人，我确实质疑过它的价值。我想成为一名航天工程师，我确保在花钱之前完全确定。我尊重很多决定不去的朋友，因为巨大的价格标签。知识不应该被价格标签所限制。
If college didn't cost at least 20k a year then I would've gone. I know people who have been paying student loans for 30 years and still aren't paid off...
如果大学每年不至少花费2万美元，那么我就会去。我认识一些人，他们已经还了30年的学生贷款，仍然没有还清……
I think honestly that college is similar to making investment choices..emphasis on the word CHOICE. People make good and bad investment choices all the time and sometimes you take a risk in said choice. If you never did well in high school you’re sometimes stuck with mediocre college choices and could impact your experience there. Choosing a career like an art major or music major might not be the right choice as it might have a high student loan and yield a low paying job that is comparable to most basic jobs out there and you ask yourself why go to college for it then? Basically where you go and what you choose plays a big role I believe.
我认为老实说，大学类似于做出投资选择……强调“选择”这个词。人们一直在做出好坏的投资选择，有时你在所做的选择中冒了风险。如果你在高中表现不好，有时你会被困在普通的大学选择中，这会影响你的经历。选择像艺术或音乐专业这样的职业可能不是正确的选择，因为它可能有高额的学生贷款，并且获得低薪工作，这与大多数基本工作相当，你会问自己为什么要上大学呢？我相信你去哪里和你选择什么起了很大的作用。
一个选择成为按摩治疗师并上学1年并支付总共17k的人可能比一个上了4年大学并花费60k的人有更好的职业，但却找不到符合他们需要或预期收入的工作。例如，劳动类工作也在增加，因为近年来它们一直在减少。木匠、技术员、水管工，甚至是清洁游泳池和某些地区修剪草坪的人总是很忙，因为他们总是很忙。
Personal experience is it was harder to get the foot in the door, but to be fair I had a head start only doing 1 year of technical college and going right into the workforce.
People who did undergraduates and masters degrees often have similar IT job titles to me but they also don’t have the work experience I do so in some cases I am ahead. In the end they may out earn me but having no student debt was helpful.
个人经验是更难进入这个行业，但公平地说，我只上了1年的技术学院，然后直接进入了劳动力市场。
那些获得本科学位和硕士学位的人通常有类似于我的IT职位，但他们没有我那样的工作经验，所以在某些情况下，我领先。最终他们可能会比我赚得更多，但没有学生债务是有帮助的。
We can’t just be a bunch of realtors, accountants, property managers, computer guys and designers. We need groceries and people building infrastructure.
我们也不能都成为工程师、软件开发人员和白领办公室员工。我理解它提供了一些价值，但社会在卡车运输、物流、贸易等方面获得的更多。
我们不能只是一些房地产经纪人、会计师、物业经理、计算机人员和设计师。我们需要杂货店和建设基础设施的人。
We've been questioning college degrees since the mid 80's. Today, we aren't questioning them, were flat out rejecting them. They're useless and overpriced.
我们从80年代中期开始质疑大学学位。今天，我们不仅质疑它们，还彻底拒绝它们。它们既无用又昂贵。
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Quit my degree job for a unx job with IBEW. Much more money and WAY better benefits. I don't even pay for my PPO health insurance. Wish I did this 1st! Trade schools, not college!
放弃了我的学位工作，去国际电工兄弟会（IBEW）找了一份工会工作。钱更多，福利更好。我甚至不需要支付我的PPO健康保险。真希望我早这么做！职业学校，而不是大学！
It really depends on your major and if you're really wanting to go through the experience. I am currently a high school senior who's dual enrolled and I am gonna apply for scholarships and grants and FASFA. I'll just say that if you think you can take on the challenge, go for it.
这真的取决于你的专业以及你是否真的想经历这种体验。我目前是一名双重注册的高中生，我将申请奖学金、助学金和联邦学生资助。我只想说，如果你认为你能接受挑战，那就去做吧。
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It can take years of research to understand what you're really getting yourself into when choosing a career to pursue. Junior high should be spent on researching career paths, then high school should prepare you for that path by getting you ready for college or providing you with vocational training.
选择职业时可能需要多年的研究来了解自己真正要做什么。初中应该花在研究职业道路上，然后高中应该通过为大学做好准备或为你提供职业培训来为这条道路做准备。
college does have value, but only for certain directions of study, the value is lost from the fluffer crap classes and degrees that have no real world utility. Im 36 and starting college for a bachelors with a minor, in a valued track of study in tech that is not often wanted by many because its not a "cool" job offering degree, but it is a valuable one with exceptionally high starting average salary above 180k per year... so yeah 40k for college i will take
大学确实有价值，但仅限于某些学习方向，价值在于那些无实际用途的水分课程和学位。我36岁，开始攻读本科和辅修，在一个有价值的技术学习轨道上，这个学位不是很多人想要的，因为它不是一个“酷”的工作提供学位，但它是一个有价值的学位，起始平均工资异常高，超过每年18万美元……所以是的，我会选择40k的大学。
I have 2 graduate degrees and it was the best decision but I had no debt afterwards. I chose to go to affordable state universities at the time with instructors that also taught in high ticket universities. Same education at a fraction. I remember one of my high school teachers saying that I can go to a better university given my grades. Even then as a high school senior, I knew I did not want to get into debt. It's definitely paid off for me.
我有两个研究生学位，这是我做过的最好的决定，但之后没有债务。我当时选择了负担得起的州立大学，那里还有一些在高收费大学任教的教师。相同的教育，费用却只有一小部分。我记得我的一个高中老师说过，根据我的成绩，我可以去更好的大学。即使在那时作为一个高中高年级学生，我知道我不想负债。这绝对为我带来了回报。
I completely see why so many Americans are questioning higher education, but at the same time, it is very dangerous to give up that drive and pursuit of knowledge. Even if you can’t afford to go to a university, look for a community college. If that doesn’t work, take some online classes. My point is that something is always better than nothing, and that something, even if it’s small, can help put you ahead. It’s important that we do not conflate the reason people are not going to college with the proclamation that higher education “isn’t necessary.”
我完全理解为什么这么多美国人质疑高等教育，但同时，放弃那种对知识的追求是非常危险的。即使你负担不起上大学，可以考虑社区大学。如果这也不行，可以参加一些在线课程。我的观点是，有总比没有好，即使很小的东西也可以帮助你领先。重要的是我们不要混淆人们不去上大学的原因与高等教育“不是必须的”这一声明。
I go to community college. I have no debt. In fact, I get $10,000 annually from financial aid and scholarship.
我上社区大学。我没有债务。事实上，我每年从助学金和奖学金中获得1万美元。
It's worth it if you go after GOOD degrees: Nursing, Computer Science, Mechanical Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Computer Engineering, or if you're going to become an MD.
如果你追求好的学位，这还是值得的：护理、计算机科学、机械工程、电气工程、计算机工程，或者你打算成为医生。
I'm happy my son completed college before the pandemic. He has a fantastic job & was promoted to supervisor. There's things kids can do for free to help climb the ladder. Like learn a few languages, CPR, sign language even lifeguard classes. My son is thankful for me pushing him to do these things & more. He's got a much better life than I had at his age & I'm extremely proud of him.
我很高兴我儿子在疫情前完成了大学学业。他有一份很棒的工作，并被提升为主管。有些事情孩子们可以免费做，以帮助他们晋升。例如，学习几种语言、心肺复苏术、手语，甚至是救生员课程。我的儿子很感激我推动他做这些事情以及更多的事情。他的生活比我在他那个年纪要好得多，我为他感到非常自豪。
Actually, from my experience doing a degree in marketing management, I find majority of the classes either being pointless or unnecessary because almost all their materials are theories by academias (which is the most useless job outright outside of research and medical fields) that even put into practical work experience collapse the instant it is applied or outright causes catastrophic fails. Instead courses need to be a mix of material and practical training plus acceptance of personal opinion especially in business field.
The other issue is that jobs need soft skills over theory as I find having too much theory as one example is that it is hard to make things efficient and effortless because we subscribe to the low cost, low quality mentality and theory. Plus what worked in the past doesn’t mean it works today.
实际上，根据我在营销管理学位课程中的经验，我发现大多数课程要么毫无意义，要么不必要，因为它们几乎所有的材料都是学术理论（除了研究和医疗领域外，这是最无用的工作），这些理论在实际工作经验中一应用就崩溃，甚至直接导致灾难性的失败。相反，课程需要材料和实际培训的结合，特别是在商业领域，接受个人意见。
另一个问题是，工作需要的是软技能而不是理论。我发现拥有过多的理论是一个例子，因为我们遵循低成本、低质量的心态和理论，这使得事情很难高效和轻松。加上过去有效的方法并不意味着今天也有效。
Only go to college when you actually crave the education and want to learn to heighten your skills in the career you already have to be honest. Too many kids just go to university unprepared straight out of high school since that’s the “normal” thing to do, then end up having to drop out as they lose interest in studying.
老实说，只有当你真正渴望教育并想学习以提高你已经拥有的职业技能时才去上大学。太多的孩子只是因为这是“正常”的事情，从高中毕业后毫无准备地进入大学，然后由于失去学习兴趣而不得不辍学。
I graduated high school in 1987 and never went to college. All throughout my academic years, I struggled due to a learning disability. That being said, I furthered my post high school education by attending after work courses to become an emergency medical technician and later a certified ECG technician at the U of R's School of Professional and Continuing Studies. Several years later I even went on to instruct that same course that I was once enrolled in as a student. In 2022, I'm now a 54 year old homeowner and make considerably more money as a cardiographic tech than my older sister does as a preschool director with a master's degree. It may take longer to get there, but financial independence can be achieved by applying yourself towards a career you're passionate about. I started out as a volunteer EMT. That opened doors to getting a full time job at a medical center. I've now been employed in healthcare (specifically cardiology) for the last 26 years and plan on staying in this field of work until I retire.
我1987年高中毕业，从未上过大学。在整个学术生涯中，我由于学习障碍而挣扎。尽管如此，我通过参加下班后的课程成为了一名急救医疗技师，后来成为了U of R职业和继续教育学院的认证心电图技师。几年后，我甚至教授了我曾经作为学生注册的同一门课程。到2022年，我现在是一名54岁的房主，作为心电图技师赚的钱比我拥有硕士学位的姐姐作为学前教育主任赚的钱多得多。可能需要更长的时间才能达到目的，但通过投身于你热爱的职业，可以实现财务独立。我一开始是一名志愿急救医疗技师。这为我在医疗中心找到一份全职工作打开了大门。我现在在医疗保健领域（特别是心脏病学）工作了26年，计划在这个领域工作到退休。
Don't fall for college trust me I'm 43 with master degree most jobs still pay you the same wage. Go to trade school or learn new skills online start your own company
不要上当去上大学，相信我，我43岁，有硕士学位，大多数工作还是给你相同的工资。去职业学校或在线学习新技能，开自己的公司。
People question the value, because some employers don't value them. A lot of employers require them so that the candidate can check a box. Once upon a time a degree meant getting a "good job" even with no work experience. Now you can get a mediocre job assuming you have work experience. Of course there are exceptions.
人们质疑其价值，因为一些雇主不重视它们。许多雇主要求它们，以便候选人可以勾选一个框。曾几何时，一个学位意味着即使没有工作经验也能得到一份“好工作”。现在你可以得到一份普通的工作，前提是你有工作经验。当然，也有例外。
You don’t have to be successful to go to college. You still can be successful.
你不必为了成功而上大学。你仍然可以成功。
I watched my Dad work on the job where his bachelors in business administration degree really didn't matter and he still had to repay his loans. I also earned a degree in tech but ended up working multiple gigs at a time to get my economics right and a lot of my colleagues and a lot of my co workers had degrees but no job or salary to match. This is nothing new this situation has been ongoing for many many years way back to before the 70s.
我看到我父亲在工作中，他的商业管理学士学位真的无关紧要，他仍然必须偿还贷款。我也获得了一个技术学位，但最终一次做多份工作来改善我的经济状况，我的很多同事和同事都有学位，但没有匹配的工作或薪水。这不是新鲜事，这种情况已经持续了很多年，可以追溯到70年代以前。