既然棕榈油对人体有害，为什么印度市场上大多是棕榈油呢？如果它没问题，为什么中国市场见不到这种油？
Why do most market chips and snacks use palm oil when it is harmful?
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网友：主要是因为它很便宜，其次，这是因为所谓的工业烟点(高)，这意味着加添加剂很便宜，可以在高温下煎炸食物，而不会使脂肪分解并导致产品产生异味，用于煎炸库尔库雷等食物的工业精制棕榈油或用于煎炸萨莫萨三角饺的商用棕榈油的烟点为242摄氏度，而葵花籽油的烟点为220摄氏度......
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@Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam
Mainly it's because it's CHEAP
Second it's because of what's called Industrial Smoke Point
It means the Oil plus additives is cheap and can fry stuff at high temperatures without the fats breaking down and causing the product to smell bad
Industrial Refined Palm Oil used to fry stuff like Kurkure or Commercial Palm Oil used to fry samosas has a smoking point of 242 degrees Celsius against Sunflower Oil that has 220 Degrees Celsius
Plus it has the maximum usability factor
This means you can fry almost 7 Kilograms in Palm Oil versus maybe 2.5–3.5 Kilograms of Sunflower Oil or AG Rapeseed Oil
So that's half your cost right there
主要是因为它很便宜
其次，这是因为所谓的工业烟点(高)
这意味着加添加剂很便宜，可以在高温下煎炸食物，而不会使脂肪分解并导致产品产生异味
用于煎炸库尔库雷等食物的工业精制棕榈油或用于煎炸萨莫萨三角饺的商用棕榈油的烟点为242摄氏度，而葵花籽油的烟点为220摄氏度
此外，它具有最大的稳定性
这意味着你可以用棕榈油煎炸近7公斤，而葵花籽油或菜籽油可能只能制作2.5-3.5公斤
这就是你成本的一半
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Mainly it's because it's CHEAP
Second it's because of what's called Industrial Smoke Point
It means the Oil plus additives is cheap and can fry stuff at high temperatures without the fats breaking down and causing the product to smell bad
Industrial Refined Palm Oil used to fry stuff like Kurkure or Commercial Palm Oil used to fry samosas has a smoking point of 242 degrees Celsius against Sunflower Oil that has 220 Degrees Celsius
Plus it has the maximum usability factor
This means you can fry almost 7 Kilograms in Palm Oil versus maybe 2.5–3.5 Kilograms of Sunflower Oil or AG Rapeseed Oil
So that's half your cost right there
主要是因为它很便宜
其次，这是因为所谓的工业烟点(高)
这意味着加添加剂很便宜，可以在高温下煎炸食物，而不会使脂肪分解并导致产品产生异味
用于煎炸库尔库雷等食物的工业精制棕榈油或用于煎炸萨莫萨三角饺的商用棕榈油的烟点为242摄氏度，而葵花籽油的烟点为220摄氏度
此外，它具有最大的稳定性
这意味着你可以用棕榈油煎炸近7公斤，而葵花籽油或菜籽油可能只能制作2.5-3.5公斤
这就是你成本的一半
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However you are right. It's harmful and has a lot of bad fats
So Global Chains don't use Palm Oil anymore
KFC and McDonalds in India now use Rape + Canola Oil for Frying instead of Palm while even Haldirams which exports a lot of food uses Sunflower + Canola mix to fry their snacks instead of Palm
They can absorb the higher margins
Sadly the local samosa wala can't
He can fry 200 Crisp Good Samosas in One Vessel of Palm Oil versus maybe 80–120 Samosas in One Vessel of Sunflower Oil before the Oil simply starts to ensure the fried product tastes bad
The Samosas would cost ₹40/- instead of ₹20/- for him to maintain the same margins which are already not very high
Likewise the Vada Seller in Railway Platforms finds it easier to Re Fry Unsold Vadas and sell them again with Palm Oil
Near Impossible to do so with Sunflower Oil or Canola Oil plus of course the high cost
Sadly India is a net importer of Oils today
Thus we can't reduce the price of Canola or Sunflower to lower levels to ensure easier margins for the smaller food salesmen
It is estimated that if we had Russia level of Sunflower oil, we could sell 1 Litre for ₹ 48/- retail and still make 30% Profit instead of ₹120/- a litre
但你是对的。它有害，而且含有大量坏脂肪
因此全球连锁店不再使用棕榈油
印度的肯德基和麦当劳现在使用菜籽油和芥花籽油来代替棕榈油进行煎炸，而甚至出口大量食品的Haldirams也使用葵花籽油和芥花籽油混合物来代替棕榈油来煎炸零食
因为它们可以赚到更高的利润
遗憾的是当地的萨莫萨三角饺
他可以在一罐棕榈油中炸200个酥脆可口的萨摩萨三角饺，而在一罐葵花籽油中可能只能炸80-120个萨摩萨三角饺，否则油会开始变质，导致油炸产品口感变差
为了保持原本就不高的利润，萨莫萨三角饺的成本将从20卢比涨到40卢比
同样，火车站台上的Vada（炸饼圈）卖家发现重新油炸未售出的Vada并与棕榈油一起再次出售更容易
用葵花籽油或菜籽油几乎不可能做到这一点，而且成本很高
遗憾的是，印度如今是食用油净进口国
因此，我们不能降低油菜籽或向日葵的价格，以确保小型食品销售商更容易获得利润
据估计，如果我们拥有俄罗斯那么多葵花籽油，我们可以以48卢比的零售价出售1升，仍然可以赚取30%的利润，而不是每升120卢比
So Global Chains don't use Palm Oil anymore
KFC and McDonalds in India now use Rape + Canola Oil for Frying instead of Palm while even Haldirams which exports a lot of food uses Sunflower + Canola mix to fry their snacks instead of Palm
They can absorb the higher margins
Sadly the local samosa wala can't
He can fry 200 Crisp Good Samosas in One Vessel of Palm Oil versus maybe 80–120 Samosas in One Vessel of Sunflower Oil before the Oil simply starts to ensure the fried product tastes bad
The Samosas would cost ₹40/- instead of ₹20/- for him to maintain the same margins which are already not very high
Likewise the Vada Seller in Railway Platforms finds it easier to Re Fry Unsold Vadas and sell them again with Palm Oil
Near Impossible to do so with Sunflower Oil or Canola Oil plus of course the high cost
Sadly India is a net importer of Oils today
Thus we can't reduce the price of Canola or Sunflower to lower levels to ensure easier margins for the smaller food salesmen
It is estimated that if we had Russia level of Sunflower oil, we could sell 1 Litre for ₹ 48/- retail and still make 30% Profit instead of ₹120/- a litre
但你是对的。它有害，而且含有大量坏脂肪
因此全球连锁店不再使用棕榈油
印度的肯德基和麦当劳现在使用菜籽油和芥花籽油来代替棕榈油进行煎炸，而甚至出口大量食品的Haldirams也使用葵花籽油和芥花籽油混合物来代替棕榈油来煎炸零食
因为它们可以赚到更高的利润
遗憾的是当地的萨莫萨三角饺
他可以在一罐棕榈油中炸200个酥脆可口的萨摩萨三角饺，而在一罐葵花籽油中可能只能炸80-120个萨摩萨三角饺，否则油会开始变质，导致油炸产品口感变差
为了保持原本就不高的利润，萨莫萨三角饺的成本将从20卢比涨到40卢比
同样，火车站台上的Vada（炸饼圈）卖家发现重新油炸未售出的Vada并与棕榈油一起再次出售更容易
用葵花籽油或菜籽油几乎不可能做到这一点，而且成本很高
遗憾的是，印度如今是食用油净进口国
因此，我们不能降低油菜籽或向日葵的价格，以确保小型食品销售商更容易获得利润
据估计，如果我们拥有俄罗斯那么多葵花籽油，我们可以以48卢比的零售价出售1升，仍然可以赚取30%的利润，而不是每升120卢比
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Also he will.have to give some money to gstwala food dept. Labour dept and municipal cor. Offical and obviously free material every time they visit shop
此外，他还得给GST官员、食品部门、劳工部门和市政公司的官员一些钱，而且每次他们访问商店时显然还要提供免费材料。
Irony is that american food is the biggest risk to health and american hospitals are the biggest looterss in the world.
EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED
讽刺的是，美国食品是对健康最大的威胁，而美国医院是世界上最大的掠夺者。
一切都是相互关联的。
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Same goes for every Indian food too
每种印度食物也是如此。
Indian food is healthy. Ghee instead of oil, no cheese, no mayonaise
印度食物是健康的。用酥油代替油，没有奶酪，没有蛋黄酱。
i was shocked to see Adyar Ananda Bhavan using palm oil to make namkeens.
If so called brand A2B is doing this what about local chips shop. My god
看到Adyar Ananda Bhavan用棕榈油制作小吃时，我感到震惊。
如果所谓的品牌A2B都这样做，那当地的薯片店怎么办。天啊
译者注：Adyar Ananda Bhavan，简称A2B，是一家知名的印度餐饮连锁店
They say it's palm superolein oil.. Seems to be a better version of palm oil…
他们说那是棕榈超级油……似乎是棕榈油的更好版本……
It has refined and palm in its name. I don't think more than 19–20 difference with regards to normal palm
名字里有“精炼”和“棕榈”。我认为与普通棕榈油的差别不会超过19-20。
@@诸葛亮孔明(Zhuge Liang Kongming)(ShoKatsu Ryo Komei)
“可悲的是，印度今天是油料净进口国”——那么先生……我们连自己的生物柴油都不能生产吗？
Mitron vote jaruri hai, biodiesel gya tel bechne…
朋友们，投票很重要，生物柴油已经卖光了……
The palm oil used in Malaysia and Indonesia is red in color and seems to be good for heart. While they export white palm oil which is unhealthy!!
马来西亚和印度尼西亚使用的棕榈油是红色的，似乎对心脏有好处。而他们出口的白色棕榈油是不健康的！！
how to improve to the level off Russia
如何提高到俄罗斯的水平
Stop reservations
Stop freebies
Stop religion based politics
Stop war mongering
Most importantly, reduce population macha, there are 150 crore already.
停止预留
停止免费
停止基于宗教的政治
停止战争叫嚣
最重要的是，减少人口，已经有15亿人了。
Remove or reduce MSP on wheat and rice. Provide incentives to farmers for growing oil seeds.
取消或减少小麦和大米的最低支持价格。为种植油料作物的农民提供激励。
All edible oil from western countries or licensed made somewhere else is harmful. It does matter even if it is sunflower oil from Russia. Western scientists themselves are coming against countless products from there. Go back to coconut oil it is healthiest.
所有来自西方国家或其他地方生产的食用油都是有害的。即使是来自俄罗斯的葵花籽油也一样。西方科学家自己也在反对那里的无数产品。回归椰子油，它是最健康的。
I agree
177 degrees smoke point means you can make maybe 35–40 Samosas for one vessel instead of 200
Costs would surge and surge
我同意
177度的烟点意味着你可以用一个容器做35-40个萨摩萨，而不是200个
成本会不断上升
Or mustard oil
或者芥末油
Is palm really bad or is it just bad marketing done by west, just like they did with indian oils and other products?
棕榈油真的很糟糕还是只是西方做的糟糕营销，就像他们对印度油和其他产品所做的那样？
Sun flower oil is much dangerous than palm oil, simply because of more steps in refinement which adds dangerous levels of residual chemicals.
Palm oil is not particularly bad than lets say coconut oil or other vegetable oils. Consuming in moderation have no adverse effect on health just like any other oil.
If you want healthy oil just use Virgin olive oil for all your fat needs
葵花籽油比棕榈油危险得多，仅仅因为精炼步骤更多，增加了危险水平的残留化学物质。
棕榈油并不比椰子油或其他植物油特别糟糕。适量食用对健康没有不良影响，就像任何其他油一样。
如果你想要健康的油，只需使用初榨橄榄油满足你所有的脂肪需求。
What oil do Chinese people use? Lard?
中国人用什么油？猪油吗
They use rapeseed, a very good oil crop. The cooking oil made from it contains the most good fats. It is said that the Chinese have been using this oil for hundreds of years. But other countries rarely use it because they don't know how to grow it.
他们使用油菜籽，一种非常优良的油料作物。用它制作的食用油，含有最多的优良脂肪
据说中国人使用这种油已经数百年了。但是其他国家很少使用，因为不知道如何种植
Canola oil is no better than palm oil if not worser.
菜籽油并不比棕榈油好，如果不是更糟的话。
We are from oil trading community and my great father will never allow two oils to be mixed. I do not know the reason.
我们来自油料贸易社区，我的曾祖父绝不会允许两种油混合。我不知道原因。
Haldirams still uses Palm-oil to fry all savories food it exports to the EU. I always tend to check the oil before buying stuff from our local Indian stores and Haldirams indeed uses Palm-oil, sometimes mixed with cottonseed or rapeseed (Canola) oil.
Haldirams仍然使用棕榈油来炸所有出口到欧盟的咸味食品。我总是倾向于在从当地印度商店购买东西之前检查油，Haldirams确实使用棕榈油，有时混合棉籽油或菜籽（芥花）油。
Even an average Indian take his/her life granted and is happy keeping their eyes closed when it comes to healthy living. There is no way any govt will think of this dumb population whom you can feed poison and see them happily consuming it.
即使是普通的印度人也认为他的生活是理所当然的，在健康生活方面他们乐于闭着眼睛。任何政府都不会想到这群愚蠢的民众，你可以喂他们毒药，看着他们快乐地消费。
You are wrong.
According to WHO data, rapeseed is the best oil crop.
It contains 94% good fats and 6% bad fats.
Palm oil contains 50% bad fats.
If palm oil is a scooter, rapeseed is a Ferrari.
你错了
根据WHO的数据，油菜籽是最优秀的油料作物
它含有94%的优良脂肪，6%的不良脂肪
而棕榈油含有50%的不良脂肪
如果说棕榈油是一辆三蹦子，那么油菜籽就是一辆法拉利
These are all fear mongering …..we are made up to fear even while eating !!!!
Olive oil, produced largely in European nations like Spain , Portugal……European owned farms of Morocco.
There are thousands of “research “ papers that praise Olive oil and it's benefits.
Palm oil produced largely by Indonesia & Malaysia .They don't pay any penny to the “ so called researchers “. So there's no articles / research papers that praise Palm oil.
Keralites….. one of the healthiest society in India after Punjab. They use coconut oil for cooking !!!! Some years back there was a campaign against coconut oil too. Keralites being educated…..they didn't fall prey for this nastiest campaign.
I believe every food available plenty in a particular region is the most suitable for the people belongs to that particular region !!!
Did anyone heard about lions who got cold after drinking from a pond?
Note : We're living in an age of “ soft fear mongering “ on Everything !!!!
I think the questioner ( Brown bear) belongs to some oil marketing Lobby
这些都是恐惧营销……我们甚至在吃东西时也被制造出恐惧！！！
橄榄油，主要产于西班牙、葡萄牙等欧洲国家……摩洛哥的欧洲拥有农场。
有成千上万的“研究”论文赞扬橄榄油及其好处。
棕榈油主要由印度尼西亚和马来西亚生产。他们不付给“所谓的研究人员”一分钱。所以没有赞扬棕榈油的文章/研究论文。
喀拉拉邦人……印度继旁遮普之后最健康的社会之一。他们用椰子油做饭！！几年前还有一个反对椰子油的运动。喀拉拉邦人受过教育……他们没有成为这个最恶劣运动的牺牲品。
我相信任何在特定地区大量供应的食物都最适合属于该地区的人！！！
有人听说过喝了池塘水后感冒的狮子吗？
注意：我们生活在一个对一切都“软恐吓”的时代！！！
我认为提问者属于某个石油营销团体
The reason why Chinese don't use palm oil is that they produce a lot of rapeseed and import a lot of soybeans from the United States.
Rapeseed is a very superior raw material for cooking oil, it is so healthy and safe. Soybean oil is worse, but it is still much better than palm oil.
They get these high-quality cooking oils at a very low cost, so when the United States still uses palm oil to cook French fries, McDonald's in China has switched to soybean oil.
Some Chinese told me that it is illegal for restaurants to use palm oil. I am not sure if this is true because China also imports palm oil.
The news reported this difference at the time, which caused people's dissatisfaction, and McDonald's in Malaysia also switched to other oils.
中国人不使用棕榈油的原因是他们生产大量的油菜籽，并从美国进口大量的大豆。
油菜籽是一种非常优越的食用油原料，它是如此的健康和安全。大豆油要差一些，但是也远好于棕榈油。
他们获得这些优质食用油的成本非常低廉，所以当在美国依然在使用棕榈油炸薯条的时候，中国的麦当劳已经改用大豆油了。
有中国人告诉我，餐厅使用棕榈油是违法的。我不确定这是否是真实的，因为中国同样在进口棕榈油。
当时新闻报道了这种差别，引发了人民的不满，使得马来西亚的麦当劳也更换为了其他油脂