网友讨论越南低收入人群对苹果的痴迷，“富人买东西看中的是东西的价值。穷人买东西是为了显得自己有钱。"富人装穷保持富有。穷人装富一直贫穷。""技术宅都坚决支持使用Android系统"
Apple obsession among lower income folks
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reddit/VietNam越南一版主提出越南低收入人群对苹果的痴迷，即越穷的人越愿意省钱或者借钱购买iphone系列。网友讥讽这是典型的越南阮氏思维。由此，网友Discussion穷人与富人的物质观。
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Can someone explain this mentality to me?
I use a xiaomi because frankly I keep dropping my phones. My last iPhone was an iPhone 6. I had to replace its screen after 2 months. So I was so OVER IT and swore I'd never spend more than $300 on any phone ever again.
I do international business. No business people anywhere ever remarked on my phone model. I think they simply do not give a crap. However, Ik lower income folks definitely do judge me for it.
For instance, Ik a guy who follows me around asking me for a job. Ik his financial situation is quite dire since he's a new graduate who's never had a job that pays more than 10M VND/month. Yet somehow he bought a new iPad that's worth 6 months of rent. He'd keep making hater comments to me, despite begging me for a job btw. He once implied I faked a business trip by posting Google photos (I took the photos myself).
Another relative of mine kept complaining about her low paying job. Yet when I bought my xiaomi, she made this snide comment to the effect of "Oh yea you don't need to buy good phone." She exclusively uses iPhone.
I have 2 iPads that were given to me by my in laws that I never use because I frankly think they're useless. I can't write, can't draw, can't play games, can't read, can't do anything except watch Youtube. My inlaws are also not rich. Yet they like to collect these Apple items which they never use. These items are practically just worthless junks that clutter the house. I simply do not get it. I'd prefer to have my money in things that appreciate in value.
What's the secret formula of Apple marketing that taps into these people's psyche?
能有人帮我理解这种心态吗？ 我之所以使用小米手机，坦率地说是因为我不停地摔手机。我上一部iPhone是iPhone 6，在两个月后我就不得不更换了屏幕。对此我极度厌烦，并发誓再也不在任何手机上花费超过300美元了。
我在做国际业务，但无论在哪里，商界人士从未对我使用的手机型号发表过意见。我认为他们根本不在乎这些。然而，我发现收入较低的人群确实会因此而评价我。
例如，有个家伙总是缠着我要工作机会。我知道他的经济状况很糟糕，因为他作为一个刚毕业的学生，从没找过月薪超过100万越南盾的工作。但他却买了一台价值相当于六个月房租的新款iPad。尽管他还在恳求我给他工作，却一直对我发出贬低的评论。有一次他还暗示说我发布的谷歌照片是在伪造商务旅行（实际上那些照片是我自己拍摄的）。
另外，我的一位亲戚总是在抱怨她的低薪工作。然而当我买了小米手机时，她刻薄地评论说：“哦，对啊，你不需要买好手机。”而她自己只用iPhone。
我有两台岳父母送给我的iPad，但我从没用过，因为我真的觉得它们没什么实际用途——不能写字、绘画、玩游戏、阅读，除了看YouTube视频几乎做不了别的事情。我的岳父母也并非富裕阶层，但他们却喜欢收集这些苹果产品，而且从来不用。在我看来，这些物品实际上就是毫无价值的杂物，占用了家里的空间。我真的无法理解这一点，我更愿意把钱花在能够增值的东西上。
究竟是什么样的营销秘诀让苹果成功触动了这些人的心灵深处呢？
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Rich people stay rich by pretending to be poor. Poor people stay poor by pretending to be rich.
富人装穷才能保持富有。穷人装富则会一直贫穷。
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Rich people don't pretend to be poor. They probably look like they are wearing a $ shirt, but it's more than $, under some weird german or french brand that no one know.
富人不会假装贫穷。他们可能看上去穿着一件看似普通的恤衫，但那其实是价值远超恤衫，但那其实是价值远超恤衫，但那其实是价值远超的德国或法国小众品牌。
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It's the same thing as poor people wearing gucci, vuitton and other brands while actual rich people are discreet. You'll notice them wearing a Patek watch for instance, something that only other people wealthy people might now, but nothing flashy.
When you have wealth, the last thing you want is to show it around (unless you're new rich). When you're poor, you want the perceived social status that comes with a brand.
这和穷人穿古驰、路易威登和其他品牌的现象是一样的，而真正的富人则会保持低调。你会发现他们可能戴的是百达翡丽手表，这类只有其他富裕人士才了解的低调奢侈品，并非浮夸之物。当你拥有财富时，你最不想做的事情就是四处炫耀（除非你是新晋富豪）。当你贫穷时，你会渴望通过品牌获得的社会地位认可。
I'd like to build on this, since I notice this same thing in my country (Philippines)
People will always want some form of status as that affects how other people treat you and what kind of opportunities you can access. Wealthier people also want that, but Iphones won't impress other people who have money, because they have money.
Since money is not as hard to come by, status comes from other things: where they're educated, where they go for vacation, what hobbies they have.
我同意这个观点，在我的国家菲律宾我也观察到了同样的现象。 人们总是渴望某种形式的地位，因为它会影响他人对待你的态度以及你能接触到的机会类型。富裕阶层也追求地位，但他们知道iPhone并不能给同样有钱的人留下深刻印象，因为大家都有钱。 在金钱相对容易获取的地方，地位就来自于其他方面：如受教育的机构、度假地点以及个人爱好等。
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When you get to m+ or m+, it's whose yacht is bigger. I'm not even kidding.
当你达到百万或千万资产级别时，比拼的就是谁的游艇更大。这绝对不是开玩笑。
It's a cultural thing as well. Rich people in Singapore don't like to flaunt material possessions very much. Many of them would still use the mrt. They do brag about the new projects they're involved in or how often they travel. Rich people in Vietnam are also not really rich rich by Singapore's standards either. Maybe lower income folks in Vietnam don't perceive themselves that way.
这也是一种文化差异。新加坡的富人并不太喜欢炫耀物质财产。他们中许多人仍然会乘坐地铁出行。他们更倾向于吹嘘自己参与的新项目或是频繁出游的经历。按照新加坡的标准来看，越南的富人也算不上真正意义上的巨富。也许越南较低收入群体并未将自己视为富有。
el oh el. sinkies are some of the most status-obsessed, materialistic people on earth. many such cases, when you go from third-world slum to reasonably developed in a generation.
哈哈，新加坡人可以说是地球上最注重地位、最物质主义的人群之一。这种情况在很多从第三世界贫民窟迅速发展到相对发达水平的国家和地区中都能看到。
Yeah the lower income Singaporeans. The richer ones don't care about your branded bags hahaha.
是的，我指的新加坡较低收入阶层。富裕阶层的人对你的名牌包并不太关心，哈哈。
Bruh, I’m Singaporean and shopping is our national pastime and we are materialistic af. You just feel we don’t care that because we don’t really talk about it and rub it in peoples faces because it’s nothing to brag about. Most people can easily afford iPhone/branded suff so you don’t get any status from bragging about it.
老兄，我是新加坡人，购物可以说是我们的国民消遣活动，我们确实很注重物质享受。你之所以觉得我们不在乎这些名牌，是因为我们通常不会特意谈论这些东西或在别人面前炫耀，毕竟拥有iPhone或名牌产品在这里已经相当普遍，并不能通过炫耀它们来彰显地位。大多数人都能轻松购买得起这类商品。
Yes I'm talking about rich Singaporeans, not the average wage slaves. Middle-low income mindsets in Singapore are really different. For instance, my extremely average friends were telling me to buy Macbooks to impress business associates, when rich people just assume/know you're poorer than them. So why would they care if you use the newest macbook or have real LV?
I know literal business people who have APEC travel cards and $MILLIONS in liquid fund. They dress in uniqlo, use whatever phones, work on the mrt, eat at hawker centre and talk All the damn time about saving money. They meet almost exclusively at hawker centres. I only see their assistants caring about BAGS. I can literally sniff out who has money or who doesn't. Branded products are literally not a factor at all. Most rich people are too time poor to indulge in shopping.
是的，我指的是收入较低的新加坡人，而非富裕阶层。新加坡中低收入群体的心态确实很不一样。比如，我的一些非常普通的朋友们建议我购买Macbook来给商业伙伴留下深刻印象，而真正的富人则会认为你比他们穷，所以根本不在乎你是否用的是最新款Macbook或背的是真LV包。 我认识一些实实在在的商界人士，他们有APEC旅行卡，并且拥有数百万美元的流动资金。但他们穿着优衣库的衣服，用着任意品牌的手机，在地铁上工作，经常在小贩中心吃饭，还总是在谈论如何省钱。他们几乎只在小贩中心见面。我看到他们的助理才会在意包包这些事。我可以凭直觉判断谁有钱、谁没钱。品牌产品在这里完全不是决定因素。大多数真正富裕的人时间宝贵，无暇沉迷于购物。
No adult Singaporean will tell you to use macbook to impress anyone. A warehouse worker can easily afford it hence it’s nothing impressive. So idk what kind of average singaporean friends you have.
You think the ultra rich don’t care about bags and fashion? Why does every high end real estate features walk in closet? It’s because they buy enough rubbish to fill up the closet. It’s not the working class that is dropping k to open a table at marquee it’s the wealthy elites.
Just because Singaporeans tend to dress more casual due to the weather doesn’t make us any less materialistic.
没有哪个成年新加坡人会告诉你用Macbook是为了给别人留下深刻印象。仓库工人也能轻松负担得起，所以这并不值得炫耀。所以我不知道你的所谓普通新加坡朋友是什么样的。 你以为超级富豪就不在乎包包和时尚吗？为什么高端房地产都配备步入式衣橱呢？那是因为他们买的东西足够多，足以填满整个衣橱。那些在Marquee等夜店一掷千金开桌的并不是工薪阶层，而是富有的精英们。 尽管由于天气原因新加坡人更倾向于穿得休闲，但这并不能说明我们就不物质。
Wealth =/= spending reckless money on bs. Actually rich people in Singapore don't spend money like in Crazy Rich Asians. Most of them I see have literally no time to even visit a nail salon. Like they do buy private planes, but they literally do not care that much about bags and fashion. Like the "stay at home" daughter character you see on Tiktok is not a rich Singaporean confirmed. Idk where you get your information from, I'm talking about real people ik.
财富并不等于胡乱花钱。实际上，新加坡的真正富人并不像电影《疯狂亚洲富人》里那样挥霍无度。我所见到的大多数富人连去美甲店的时间都没有。虽然他们确实会购买私人飞机，但他们真的不太在乎包包和时尚。就像你在TikTok上看到的那种“宅家”女儿角色，并不能代表新加坡的富人。我不知道你的信息来源何处，我说的是我真正了解的现实生活中的真实人物。
those people are a small subset of the population. the self-made types who never progress, too thick to realise what got them here, won't get them there. always talking about "saving money" and similar nonsense, missing the forrest for the trees, the point of life, etc. eternal misers, it's sad, really. like warren buffet.
that's why they only have a few million. very middle-class, far from "rich". go interact with wankers in good class bungalows, peak nouveau riche (like practically everyone in the place).
这些人只是人口中的一小部分，他们是那种白手起家但无法进一步提升自己、过于固执以至于不明白什么成就了他们现在的位置，也无法引领他们走向更高层次的人。他们总是谈论“省钱”之类的陈词滥调，忽视了生活本质和全局观，就像永远的吝啬鬼一样，真的很悲哀，有点像沃伦·巴菲特那样。
这就是为什么他们的财富只有几百万，实际上很中产阶级，离真正的“富裕”还差得很远。你应该去跟那些住在优质洋房里的纨绔子弟或者暴发户新贵们打交道（那里的几乎每个人都是如此）。
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In LIQUID lM. Like ready to invest, talking to private bankers type, which most Singaporeans aren't.
Ik literal heirs to some of the old money families in Singapore as well as self made type. Across the board they are obsessed with saving money. People who splash lose their wealth fairly quickly. I've seen people go from over $M in net worth to basically half that in a few years.
RICH RICH people don't care about your money either. They already know you're not as rich as them. You think they give a crap about shopping for some phones?
我说的是流动资产哈哈，随时准备投资、与私人银行家打交道的那种类型，大多数新加坡人并不是这样。我认识一些新加坡老牌富人家族的继承人以及白手起家的成功人士。他们都热衷于储蓄。那些挥霍无度的人往往很快就会失去财富。我见过有些人净资产超过千万美元，但在短短几年内就缩水到原来的一半左右。
真正非常有钱的人也不会在意你的钱。他们已经知道你没有他们富有。你以为他们会为了买手机这种事情而操心吗？
topkek @"old money" and "singapore" in the same sentence. a country whose population was zero a century ago, and incredibly deprived for half its existence.
it's one of the most status/prestige-obsessed, egomaniacal places on earth. again, they're aping the old world, it's a pretentious flex.
the fact people are concerned about "saving money" is proof of that.
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把“老牌金钱”和“新加坡”这两个词放在同一个句子里真是顶级笑点。要知道这是一个世纪前人口为零，且在其存在的一半时间里极度贫困的国家。新加坡是地球上最注重地位和声望、充满自我中心主义的地方之一。没错，他们在模仿旧世界的思维模式和行为方式，这其实是一种装腔作势的炫耀。
人们关注“省钱”的事实恰好证明了这一点。
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believe you me, they do. they're just aping the mindset/mannerisms of the old world.
相信我，他们确实会在意这些。他们只是在模仿旧世界的心态和举止。
Actually they do not. I always see their assistants with these bags whereas they wear flip flops, eating at hawker centres. They simply do not think about what other people wear that much. If they have these sorts of competitions, it's at the country clubs, regarding their new properties or sports cars.
实际上，他们真的不会太在意这些。我经常看到他们的助理背着名牌包，而他们自己却穿着人字拖，在小贩中心吃饭。他们确实不太关心别人穿什么。如果真要攀比的话，那也是在乡村俱乐部里，关于他们的新房产或者跑车。
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They do, I work with multi million @Singaporeans for my business. It's all about which bag and what gold class bungalow you have
他们会的，我在商业上与多位身家数百万的新加坡人合作过，对他们来说，拥有什么样的包包和住在哪个黄金地段的优质洋房是很重要的。
This is broadly speaking untrue and it's a fairly standard classist argument couched in terms to try and make it sound like it's not.
The real root of this argument is 'old money' or whatever you want to call it, choose to not wear obvious brands because it lets them feel better about themselves and separate themselves from low class new money people.
这个观点大体上是不准确的，这是一种相当普遍的阶级论调，用了一些措辞试图让它听起来好像不是那么一回事儿。这种论点的核心其实是“老牌富豪”或无论你怎么称呼他们，这些人选择不穿戴明显的品牌标志，这样让他们感觉更好，并将自己与低阶层的新贵们区分开来。
pate filipino's fairly vulgar, heaps of wankers wear them. especially sports watches, % of nautilus owners are turds.
when it comes to holy trinity, i'm exclusively vc. love them to bits, and (usually) under the radar.
某些菲律宾富豪的确有点粗俗，很多自以为是的人喜欢佩戴名表，特别是运动手表，鹦鹉螺（Nautilus）手表的持有者中有一大部分是令人讨厌的人。至于所谓的“腕表三巨头”，我个人只钟情于江诗丹顿（VC），非常喜欢它们的设计，通常比较低调内敛。
To each his own, personally I'm a big fan of Patek, especially the Nautilus and Aquanaut.
AP on the other hand I find too flashy and try hard, especially since they keep releasing shit collaborations.
VCs are great. I also really like Jaeger-Lecoultre.
各有所好。就我个人而言，我是百达翡丽的忠实粉丝，尤其是Nautilus和Aquanaut系列。
而爱彼表在我看来有些过于浮夸且用力过猛了，特别是他们不断推出各种合作款，我并不是很喜欢。
江诗丹顿的手表确实很棒。同时，我也非常喜欢积家Jaeger-Lecoultre这个品牌。
I'm a big fan of Patek, especially the Nautilus
wanker detected.
jay jay le coot's alright, used to have a reverso ultra-thin in steel, black dial.
regardless, you can't take horlogerie stuff seriously in the orient. % of lolexes are fake, pate filipinos afoot, etc.
我也是百达翡丽的忠实粉丝，尤其喜欢鹦鹉螺系列。不过说句玩笑话，感觉你在炫耀呢。积家（Jaeger-Lecoultre）也不错，我以前有一块精钢材质、黑色表盘的翻转腕表（Reverso Ultra-Thin）。无论如何，在东方你不能太认真对待钟表文化，市面上大部分劳力士（Rolex）是假货，还有许多菲版百达翡丽之类的存在。
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I heard a Vietnamese lady in my office say she wouldn’t date a colleague who had shown interest in her because he used a Samsung Galaxy not an iPhone.
He’s the heir to a very large company. He works at our NGO as it fits within what he wants to do; he never needs to work in his life.
She is blissfully unaware of this.
我听说办公室里的一位越南女士表示，她不会和对她有兴趣的男同事约会，就因为他用的是三星Galaxy而不是iPhone。这位男士可是某大公司的继承人，他在我们非政府组织工作是因为这份工作符合他的兴趣爱好；实际上他这辈子根本不需要为了生计而工作。但她对此毫不知情。
Heh maybe that's why he uses an Android lM. Lots of nerds are vehement about using Androids.
哈哈，也许这就是他选择Android手机的原因吧。很多技术宅都坚决支持使用Android系统。
Android is just obxtively better imo: cheaper, more durable, more customizable, more features, super cheap and easy to repair,...
Apple has one practical advantage, which is security, which doesn't even matter if you aren't stupid
在我看来，Android系统客观上更好：更便宜、更耐用、可定制性更强、功能更多样化，维修起来超级便宜且简单……苹果唯一一个实际优势就是安全性，但如果你不是特别不小心的话，这个优势其实也无所谓。
I agree. If an electronic device is not making you hella money, there's no point to "invest" in it.
我同意你的观点。如果一个电子设备并不能为你带来巨额收益，那么就没有必要在它上面“投资”。
Better off investing in stocks or s of that company instead,it would be interesting to see the future investment value of instead of buying each new Apple phone buying their stock instead...probably end up with a nice little retirement pot.
还不如投资该公司的股票或证券，那样更有意思，与其每次都买新款苹果手机，不如把钱用来购买其公司股票……最终可能积攒出一笔相当不错的退休金。
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typical third-world mindset, not unique to viet nam. overcompensation due to status insecurity, poverty, and so on.
it's like when you go serbia, a relatively "poor" european country. more mercedes benz per capita, than any country on earth. they're half the motors on the road.
or the prototypical benefits scrounger, with £ trainers.
it's a bit annoying as a foreigner doing business in vn. for example, you'll meet with a factory owner, turn up in a grab, and he looks down on you a bit. takes you less seriously. thinks you're not that successful. kek.
meanwhile, this guy's entire entire operation with workers is netting less income in a year, than you collect in rents each month. he's the small fut spiv, in vulgar, gold-plated everything.
这是典型的发展中国家心态，并不仅限于越南。由于地位不安全感、贫困等因素导致的过度补偿行为。就像你去塞尔维亚这样的相对“贫穷”的欧洲国家时会发现，人均拥有奔驰汽车的数量比地球上任何一个国家都多，几乎半数行驶在路上的车辆都是奔驰。又或者那些领着福利救济的人却穿着价值£的运动鞋。作为一个在越南做生意的外国人，这一点有点烦人。比如，你可能会遇到一个工厂老板，你坐Grab（共享出行）赴约时，他会对你有些看不起，不够重视，认为你不太成功。然而，这个家伙全年经营整个拥有数百名工人的工厂所得净收入，还不及你每月收租所得的一半。他就是那种小投机商，全身上下装饰着粗俗的镀金物品。
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Yea like Vietnamese people can be pretty bizarre about it. If I'm helping you make more money, why the hell does it matter what phone I use?
对，越南人在这一点上确实挺奇怪的。如果我正在帮你赚更多的钱，那我用什么手机有什么关系呢？
Poor people mindset. I know people who would go to Thailand to buy the latest iPhone so they can have it slightly earlier than the rest. I know people who drive luxury cars but sleep on a mattress with no bed frx or can’t afford insurance. And btw, did you know that in the US, 50% of mainstream luxury goods (e.g. Gucci) shoppers are lower middle class and below? Though separated by a vast ocean, vanity unites us all!
这是穷人心态的表现。我知道有人宁愿跑去泰国提前购买最新款iPhone，就为了比别人早几天用上新手机。我也认识一些开着豪车但只能睡在没有床架的床垫上，或者连保险都负担不起的人。顺便提一下，在美国，主流奢侈品（如古驰）的消费者中，有50%是中低收入阶层以下的人群。虽然相隔万里，虚荣心却将我们所有人联系在一起！
Based on your various here in this thread, it seems that you have already known the answer to your seemingly naive question. Also why do you care what people buy with their own money? They can buy the latest Apple product and go into debt but at the end of the day it’s their choice.
You are also showing your unfounded hatred towards iPhone and iPad based on your subjective opinions which I found kinda irrelevant to the topic in discussion.
And last not least, this “phenomenon” is not exclusive to Vietnam, it’s true in Western countries as well, although I don’t know if someone would not date someone else because of their phone.
根据你在本帖中的各种评论，看起来你已经知道这个问题看似天真实则背后的答案了。另外，你为什么要在乎别人用自己的钱买什么呢？他们可以购买最新的苹果产品并为此负债，但这终究是他们的选择。 而且你也表露出了自己对iPhone和iPad毫无根据的厌恶，这种观点基于你的主观看法，我认为这与讨论的话题并不相关。 最后一点，这种“现象”并非越南所独有，在西方国家也同样存在，尽管我不确定是否会有人因为对方的手机而不愿与之交往。
My biggest flex of using an Android is I can throw it away whenever I want and get a new one with many many more new feautures, while some iPhone users would have to save months just to get a new iPhone with slightly better camera
I'm earning more than most of the people I know using iPhone. Some goes with bs like "more secure, smoother,..." and when I asked "what exactly is more secure" then they just admit iPhone is cooler
我使用安卓手机的最大优势就是，我可以随时丢弃它，然后买一个拥有更多新功能的新手机。而一些iPhone用户却需要攒几个月的钱才能买到一款相机稍微好点的新iPhone。我的收入比我知道的大多数用iPhone的人都要高，他们说些“更安全、更流畅”之类的废话，当我问到“具体怎么个安全法”时，他们就只好承认iPhone比较酷。
Apple stuffs last long. My iphone 7+ still functions perfectly after 5 years not to mention that I bought it in 2019 when it was already out of date. I think it is better spend money on good stuffs to use for long time rather than cheap stuffs for short.
苹果产品使用寿命长。我的iPhone 7+在使用了5年后仍然运行完美，更不用说我是在2019年购买的它，那时这款手机已经不是最新款了。我认为把钱花在能长期使用的优质商品上比买短期用的便宜货更好。
My dad just upgraded his Ip7+ to ip15. After 8 years of usage. There is nothing wrong with the 7+ except the dying battery. He still can use it for tiktok and youtube.
Iphone just simply last longer than android phone. Using 8 years old android phone now is just pain in the ass. For low -mid income people iphone is better option.
我的父亲刚刚将他的iPhone 7+升级到了iPhone 15。在使用了8年之后，除了电池老化之外，7+没有任何问题，他仍然可以用它来刷抖音（tiktok）和观看YouTube视频。事实证明，iPhone的使用寿命确实比安卓手机更长。现在用一部用了8年的安卓手机实在是很痛苦。对于低至中等收入的人来说，iPhone或许是一个更好的选择。
Apart from superficial stuff - iphone is an excellent product. Everything just works, built in imessage and facetime is great. I'm using samsung but most of my extended family are on iphone. I'm tempted to switch because of that next time I need to replace a phone.
Also.. Iphone keeps their value very well. A - yrs old model will work well for - years easily.
撇开表面的东西不谈，iPhone是一款非常出色的产品。一切都运行顺畅，内置的iMessage和FaceTime非常好用。我现在用的是三星，但我的大部分亲戚都用iPhone。下次我要换手机时，我很可能会因为这个原因转投iPhone阵营。另外，iPhone保值性非常好，一款3-4年左右的旧型号也能轻松再用5-6年。
Everything you mentioned works well on an Android lol Samsung is pretty crap too. I have had this xiaomi for 6 months and quite like it though. Until you can code or paint the Mona Lisa on an iPhone, I don't see anything special about it. I'm speaking as someone who uses Macbook btw.
你说的所有这些功能在安卓上也表现得很好哈哈，而且三星也挺烂的。我这台小米已经用了6个月了，感觉还不错。除非你能在iPhone上编程或画出《蒙娜丽莎》，否则我看不出它有什么特别之处。（顺便说一下，我是Macbook用户）
And no.. Android don't work well with imessage / facetime mate.
实际上，安卓系统并不很好地支持iMessage/Facetime。
precisely. that's the reason i've been using apple products exclusively for the past years: they just work.
说得对，这也是我在过去几年里只使用苹果产品的原因：它们就是那么简单好用。
Android phones work too and can save you a tonne of money. The implication that apple products are the only brand out there that "just work" is complete bullshit that brainwashed fanboys say
安卓手机同样能正常工作，并且可以帮你省下一大笔钱。认为只有苹果产品“简单好用”的想法是完全胡说八道，这是那些被洗脑了的粉丝才会说的话。
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I don’t see any Apple advertising in Vietnam. Maybe ppl just be obsessed with its price tag.
在越南我没看到过苹果产品的广告，可能人们只是对其价格标签着迷罢了。
A typical Nguyễn
Retailers run ads for them.
Anw, equalizationism is strong here. Ppl see other rich ones have iPhones, they think they should buy too.
典型的越南阮氏思维。零售商为苹果产品打广告。无论如何，这里普遍存在一种平等主义观念，人们看到其他有钱人都在用iPhone，所以他们也觉得自己应该购买。
Apple make very good phone. I am on my third iphone and the last 2 iphone give me almost 10 years of usage. The first iphone I eventually sold for 4mils and the 2nd one I gave to my niece who was absolutely estatic since the phone look and feel almost brand new despite being 5 years old.
I also encountered absolutely no issues with iphone during all these years, no repair or maintenance cost.
Using Iphone for me and many people have very little to do with it being a luxury item (it’s not) but everything to do with it being a functional and durable piece of tech.
苹果制造的手机非常出色。我现在正在使用我的第三部iPhone，而过去两部iPhone为我提供了近10年的使用时间。第一部iPhone最终以400万越南盾的价格售出，第二部虽然已经用了5年，但外观和手感几乎全新，我把它送给了我侄女，她对此欣喜若狂。
在这几年里，我在使用iPhone期间完全没有遇到任何问题，也没有产生维修或维护费用。
对我和许多人来说，选择使用iPhone与它是否奢侈品关系不大（实际上并非如此），而是因为它是一款功能强大且耐用的技术产品。
I'd buy into this if I didn't regularly see lower income people making snide about Androids. Use whatever phone you like, but obviously some iPhone users in Vietnam have pretty strong opinions about what their phones say vis a vis their class status.
如果我没有经常看到较低收入的人对安卓手机发表刻薄评论，我可能会同意你的说法。用你喜欢的任何手机都行，但在越南显然有些iPhone用户对其手机与社会地位之间的关系有着强烈的看法。
Maybe stop hanging out with people with inferiority complex then.
And it’s their freedom to buy any phone with their own money, it’s not like they are stealing from yours, why would you care.
也许你应该停止和那些有自卑情结的人交往吧。而且他们用自己的钱购买任何手机都是他们的自由，并没有从你那里偷窃，你何必在意呢？
Crazy hard in Vietnam
在越南这确实是个很棘手的问题。
It's a human thing not a VN thing. Though i bet iPhone carries even more "status" in SEA/East asia it's still the same elsewhere just to a different degree.
I mean China is pretty rich now and Apple is DOMINATING their smartphone market despite an intense rise in domestic producers.
这是人类共有的现象，而不只是越南独有的问题。虽然我猜iPhone在东南亚/东亚地区的“地位”象征作用可能更强，但在其他地方也是一样的，只是程度不同而已。比如中国现在非常富裕，尽管国内生产商竞争激烈，但苹果仍在智能手机市场占据主导地位。
iPhones are predominant among folks with massive debts in China.
在中国，很多负债累累的人也在使用iPhone。
? It dominates the market of the nd richest country in the world with one of the biggest single markets in existence.
It's clearly dominant amongst all tiers or societ why are you guys being weird
iPhone dominates in Scandinavia too, sure there is a bunch of debt but there's also generally a ton of people who are extremely affluent by global standards.
iPhone is also eclipsing Android amongst zoomers in the states, is that also a debt thing?
For vietnam you might as well ask why people are so obsessed with gold. Well, status status status. But again, not a uniquely VN thing is it.
苹果在世界第二大经济体中占据了市场的主导地位，这个经济体拥有全球最大的单一市场之一。它显然在各个社会阶层都非常受欢迎，你们为什么会觉得奇怪？
iPhone在北欧国家如瑞典、丹麦等地也很流行，当然那里的确有很多人背负着债务，但同样也有很多按照全球标准来看极其富有的人。在美国，iPhone在Z世代（千禧年后出生的年轻人）中的市场份额也超过了安卓系统，那是债务导致的吗？
对于越南的情况，你倒不如问人们为什么如此痴迷黄金。嗯，一切都关乎地位。但这并非越南特有的现象。
China is not rich over the board. And you forget that people there make A LOT more money than average Vietnamese people. A teacher in 1st tier city in China makes $3k/month in salary. Like I don't understand why people who make less than 10M/month would even touch Apple products.
中国并非普遍富裕，而且你忽略了那里的许多人赚得远比越南普通民众多。在中国一线城市，一名教师的月薪能达到3000美元。我不明白那些月收入不到1000万越南盾的人为何还会选择苹果产品。
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It's an Asian thing.
In Germany only wealthy germans are using Apple. But Asian girls? Maybe 90% uses an iPhone. And you can bet that not even half of them are wealthy.
And it's crazy acutally. Those iPhones overe there are still 1-1,5k$. So 2-4 monthly salaries. The equivalent in Germany would be an iphone for 3-4k$.
这在亚洲很常见。 在德国，只有富裕的德国人才使用苹果产品。但亚洲女孩呢？可能90%的人都在用iPhone，而且你敢打赌她们中至少有一半并不是富人。实际上，这挺疯狂的。那些iPhone在那里售价仍然高达1000-1500美元，相当于2-4个月的薪水。如果换算成德国的情况，那大概就是3000-4000美元一部iPhone。
A market share reaching 42% =//= only the wealthiest own iphone clearly.
Also if you account for urban vs non urban split you'd see further segmentation in favor of iphone hence why they seem even more prent when in big cities
市场份额达到42%并不意味着只有最富有的人才拥有iPhone。另外，如果你考虑城市与非城市地区的划分，你会发现iPhone在城市中的市场份额进一步增加，这也是为什么在大城市里感觉iPhone更为普遍的原因。
Yeah and you can bet that more than 25% of all iPhones here are owned by non germans.
Do you live here? why are you arguing with me?
It's a fact and a culture thing that asians pay more attention to their status than their german counterparts with the same spending capacity.
Are you even asian?
没错，你可以肯定超过25%的iPhone都是由非德国人拥有的。你住在这里吗？为什么要和我争论这个问题？事实是，相比同等消费能力的德国人，亚洲人更注重自己的社会地位。你是亚洲人吗？
To flex
为了炫富
flex what exactly?
具体炫什么呢？
Hahah but ik they are, just from the way they dress and talk alone.
哈哈，但我光从他们的穿着和谈吐就能看出来他们其实并不富裕。
yes, but imagine posting those selfie in the mirror with the newest Apple products, all those strangers and equally poor will think you are rich (thats their thoughts process)
是的，想象一下拿着最新的苹果产品对着镜子自拍，所有那些不认识你的、同样贫穷的人会认为你很有钱（这就是他们的思维过程）。
People here rather pay for an overpriced y old nd hand than an actual usable budget phone.
The amount of low income people I know with brand new iPhones ( month payment plan ofc) is embarrassing.
这里的人宁愿花高价买一部过时的二手iPhone，也不愿购买一款真正实用的平价手机。我认识的低收入人群中，用分期付款方式购买全新iPhone的人数之多，真是令人尴尬。
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For once I thought about the fruit. But yeah, people like to buy Apple products, even if they are not very different from those who have much lower prices than them.
一开始我还以为你们在谈论水果呢。不过确实，人们喜欢购买苹果产品，即便它们与其他价格低得多的产品并无太大差别。
Lol never got this mindset. Here in Singapore, nobody gives a dam if you use apple or whatever phone.
In fact, its not even considered luxury.
哈哈，我从未理解这种心态。在新加坡，根本没人会在意你用的是苹果还是其他品牌的手机。实际上，苹果手机在这里都不算奢侈品。
It’s not even in Vietnam, not anymore, only OP think it’s luxury.
在越南也不是这样了，至少不只是OP觉得它是奢侈品。
Yep. It's a literal tool that everyone has nowadays. A luxury is like, a Maserati or landed property.
没错。现在手机已经成了每个人的必备工具，真正的奢侈品比如玛莎拉蒂或别墅那样的东西。
Because Singapore is rich
因为新加坡富裕嘛。
My mom buys iPhone every time Apple releases a newest one. LoL. She only do basic call, chat, social network, and absolutely love taking photos. And the newest iPhone is indeed one of the class symbol. anw, she can afford thousand of iPhones but the status culture is real and remains.
我妈妈每次苹果出新款iPhone都会买。哈哈，她其实只是用来打电话、聊天、社交网络，还特别喜欢拍照。最新的iPhone确实可以算是一个阶层的象征，不过无论如何，她负担得起几千台iPhone，但追求身份地位的文化是真实存在的。
I use iphone because I only need to replace a new one every + years, gs in - plus in - promax (my current one, I gave the plus and my brother is still using it flawlessly). I have some other phones as well but none of them can make me feel stable and safe as iphone. Im not a low incomer but I will surely advice people to spend ~ mil every - years (for a dated brand new iphone) other than mil every - years for cheap Android ones. IMHO lower income folks should obsess Apple, just not the latest products
我用iPhone是因为每几年才需要更换一部新的，之前用过GS、Plus和现在的Promax。虽然我也有其他品牌的手机，但没有哪一款能像iPhone那样让我感到稳定和安全。我不是低收入者，但我肯定会建议人们花大约每四年~万元购买一部新款（虽然是旧款但全新的iPhone），而不是每两年花同样多的钱去频繁更换便宜的安卓手机。个人认为，低收入群体无需迷恋苹果的最新产品，但选择适当价位的苹果产品是可以考虑的。
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I rarely see anyone who can stand using old iPhones for long when a new one is released though. I've never seen an explanation for the obsession with iPads- an inherently useless piece of tech.
不过我发现很少有人能在新iPhone发布后还能坚持长时间使用旧款。对于iPad的痴迷我也从未真正理解过，它本质上是个看似设计精美但实用性有限的科技产品。
I mean it’s just your opinion? I don’t even use an ipad but seeing you around just to drag it is kinda weird. You’re as obsessed with them as these people you try to call out.
这不就是你的观点吗？我自己都不用iPad，但看到你特意跑来贬低iPad感觉有点奇怪。你批评别人对iPad痴迷的同时，自己也表现出了过度关注。
No? It's not? It's literally obxtively a crap piece of tech with pretty design.
不，并不是我的个人观点。iPad从客观上讲就是一款设计精美但实质功能平平的产品。
Just because you think it's useless because you're ignorant, doesn't mean it's useless. You said "I can't write, can't draw, can't play games, can't read" while I did all of the things you mention and the Ipad works really well to entertain me,I draw, I read Kindle, I play Apple Arcade Games and I also work on my Ipad so stop with the obxtive opinion. Just because you don't know how to use tech doesn't mean it's uselss. I hate people with the obsession of buying new things when the old one is still working fine but The Gadgets themselves are not useless.
你仅仅因为你对它的用途无知就认为它没用，并不代表它真的无用。你说“我不能写作、不能绘画、不能玩游戏、不能阅读”，而我实际上都在用iPad做这些事情——我在iPad上画画、读Kindle电子书、玩Apple Arcade游戏，甚至还在iPad上工作。所以，请停止发表所谓的客观意见。仅仅因为你不知道如何充分利用科技产品，并不意味着产品本身无用。我讨厌那些明明旧产品还能正常使用却非要追求新品的人，但是这些小工具本身并不是无用的。
LM you assume I'm ignorant because ??? Ipad obxtively does everything worse than comparable tech. Its lighting makes long reading impossible, compared to say a Kindle. Its touch screen and colour space are worse than a Wacom for art. Don't even talk about game playing or writing important things or coding. I use Macbook btw so I'm not even being an Apple hater. Macbook, Wacom, iPad, Kindle, iPhone, I've had and used extensively all of these gadgets as a tech entrepreneur.
Ipad is literally a piece of junk for tech illiterates with too much time on their hands. Obsessed with the crass fashion of Apple's branding.
哈，你仅凭空就认为我不懂技术？iPad在与同类产品比较时，在各个方面表现得都不如人家。比如阅读长文时的照明效果就不如Kindle；对于绘画艺术来说，它的触摸屏和色彩空间比Wacom差远了。更别提玩游戏、撰写重要文档或编程了。顺便说一下，我用的是Macbook，并不是苹果黑。Macbook、Wacom、iPad、Kindle、iPhone，作为一位科技创业者，这些设备我都拥有并广泛使用过。 iPad实际上就是给那些不懂技术又闲得发慌的人准备的垃圾玩意儿，这些人痴迷于苹果品牌的庸俗时尚。
You said it yourself "I can't write, can't draw, can't play games, can't read" and again with your obxtIVE OPINION "Ipad is literally a piece of junk for tech illiterates with too much time on their hands.". I guess every one that using an IPAD is a bum then. You're using a Macbook too, people can also say the same about PC being a better piece of tech than a Macbook because A PC can do all the things the MAC can. You're not special honey, just a snowflake trying to be special, poor man. I'm making x the wage in Vietnam and using an Ipad and work hours a week, does that make me a " tech illiterates with too much time on their hands"?
你自己刚刚还说“我不能写作、不能绘画、不能玩游戏、不能阅读”，而且再次强调你的“客观观点”——“iPad对技术文盲来说就是个浪费时间的破烂货”。这么说来，每个用iPad的人都成了游手好闲之辈喽。你也用Macbook，别人同样可以说PC在技术上比Macbook更好，因为PC也能完成MAC能做的所有事情。亲爱的，你没什么特别的，只不过是个想显得特别的雪花，可怜人。我在越南挣着X倍工资，用iPad工作每周小时，这样我就成“有太多闲暇时间的技术文盲”了吗？
You work 45 hours a day? LM. Okay. Show me your drawing on iPad then. It's obxtively worse for artists than Wacom. Show me how many books you've read on iPad. Again serious readers use Kindle.
Every time I see someone using an iPad I think yes, this person probably is uneducated about tech.
你每天工作45小时？哈哈，好吧。那你就展示一下你在iPad上画的画吧。对于艺术家来说，iPad比Wacom客观上要差一些。再让我看看你在iPad上读了多少本书。说真的，深度阅读的人一般都用Kindle。
每次我看到有人使用iPad时，我心里都会想：这个人可能对技术不太了解。
I used to be a book and game illustrator when I was in uni, I can say confidently that Procreate on iPad is being used widely in industrial and iPad has created a new workflow standard that saves tons of working hour and gear investment. My beloved iPad has been with me for more than years through thick and thin and Goodnotes saved me lots of notebooks as well. Stop being that hypercritical and live your own life happily
大学时期我曾是书籍和游戏插画师，我可以自信地说Procreate在iPad上的应用已经广泛应用于工业领域，iPad甚至开创了一种新的工作流程标准，能够节省大量工时和设备投资。我心爱的iPad陪伴我已经超过5年，经历了风风雨雨，而Goodnotes 也帮我省去了许多笔记本。别那么吹毛求疵，还是开心过自己的生活吧。
Procreate art is obxtively extremely bad, but you do you.
Procreate创作的艺术作品从客观上看相当糟糕，不过你喜欢就好。
Let's just put it this way, honey. I've never seen one coder use an iPad. Bye bye.
我们这样说吧，亲爱的。我还真没见过一个程序员用iPad工作的。再见了。
Let's also put it this way. I've never seen someone that don't know to do anything then go around judge people using Ipad then calling them "illiterates". I mean if your life is so cruel, go seek a shrink instead of being that bitter. Being obsessed with people using new Iphones and Ipads is as unhealthy as the obsession with Iphones like your stupid opinion.
Bye Boomer!
我们也这样说。我还从没见过一个啥都不会做的人，却跑去评判用iPad的人，称他们为“文盲”。我是说，如果你的生活如此痛苦不堪，那就去找心理医生，别这么刻薄。对人们使用新款iPhone和iPad过于关注的心态，跟你那愚蠢的观点一样不健康。 再见啦，老古董！
Because most low income people want to make themselves appear rich, while high income people can get what they want, luxury things become normal stuff to them, but it set a default bar thoughout human nature, and though media and commercial, having a "luxury" stuff can make yourself become more attractive, more valuable, just like a peacock show off feather to attract female.
Not only Apple in VN, it actually happen everywhere,every luxury brand in the world tbh.
And a heavily "judge by appearance" culture like VN, it not a surpise thing for people try so hard to buy IP or orther luxury brand even there income so low lol. People tend to have money then stable wealth.
因为在大多数低收入人群中，大家都想让自己看起来有钱，而对于高收入人群来说，奢侈的东西对他们而言就成了平常物件。但是人性中有一个默认的标准，通过媒体和商业宣传，拥有一件“奢侈品”可以让人显得更有魅力、更有价值，就像孔雀开屏吸引异性一样。 不仅是在越南，实际上全世界任何奢侈品牌都是如此。特别是在像越南这样高度看重外表的社会文化里，即使收入很低，人们也会竭尽全力购买iPhone或其他奢侈品牌，这其实并不奇怪。人们往往倾向于先花钱装点门面，而不是追求稳定的财富积累。
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I could see many of it around when their salaries just about $ but they used money like their salaries about $ :))
我经常看到周围有些人，他们的薪水大概只有250美元，但他们花钱却像自己月薪有2500美元那样潇洒 ：))
This happens everywhere. The iPhone is a status icon.
这种情况到处都有发生。iPhone就是一个地位象征。
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Rich people buy things for what they’re worth. Poor people buy things to appear rich.
富人买东西看中的是东西的价值。穷人买东西是为了显得自己有钱。