除了毒品之类的东西，你见过让某人上瘾的最离谱的东西是什么？

Rocjames77
Gambling. Witnessed a friend blow 190k last year.

赌博。亲眼见证一个朋友砸了19万进去。

Weary-Amoeba1808
Slot machines have scared me in particular since I went to Vegas.

我自从去了拉斯维加斯之后，就对老虎机产生了心理阴影。

The hotel we stayed at had the slots right outside of their buffet. One night, we go get dinner and something just caught my eye about this lady as we were walking into the restaurant. She was in the same spot when we left 3 hours later. Then we went for breakfast the next morning and she was still there. In the same exact spot, wearing the same clothes. I’m not sure if she even had moved to use the bathroom. She looked like a zombie.

我们住的那家酒店，餐厅外面就有老虎机。有一天晚上我们去吃饭，往餐厅里面走的时候注意到了一位女士。我们三个小时之后离开的时候，那个女士还坐在原来的位置。第二天早上我们去吃早饭，她还坐在那。一模一样的位置，一模一样的衣裳。我不知道她有没有去过洗手间。她看起来就像个僵尸一样。

Kcidobor
Reminds me of a post asking people worst industry secrets of their jobs. Casino worker talked about how older gamblers will just go and keep playing sitting in their own mess

这让我想起了有个帖子里人们在分享自己干的这行工作最肮脏的业内秘密。赌场里的员工提到，那些老赌棍们会坐在自己制造的垃圾里不停地赌下去。

BlueHornedUnicorn
I used to work in a bingo hall in the UK and I've seen grown adults basically standing pissing and shitting themselves because they don't want to leave a machine if they think it's gonna pay out.

我以前在英国的一家赌场里工作，我看见很多成年人站在原地拉屎撒尿，因为他们觉得面前的这个机器马上就要中头奖了，他们不想走。

We developed these "be right back" signs that people could use if they needed to go to the toilet and one time, this dude moved it from a machine a guy had put HUNDREDS of pounds into, and it paid out (£2k jackpot iirc) and shit went off. We had to call the police and people got banned from the premises.

于是我们弄了这种“马上回来”的标志，如果人们想要上厕所的话就可以用这个，有一次有个人把另一个人砸了几百英镑的机器上面的标签拿走了，结果机器爆机了（我记得是2000英镑的大奖），他们就全疯了。我们只能报警处理，那个人以后再也不能来赌场了。

Routine_Bluejay4678
I know someone who lost 1m on the pokies in a year! He's now self banned from the casino, insane amount of money to get a buzz off some lights and sound

我认识有个人一年在赌场输了一百万！他再也不让自己进赌场了，砸不计其数的钱进去，只为了看一眼声光电。

Soobobaloula
Shopping. A friend’s GF barely leaves the house except for work, and she shops online obsessively. Their garage is a solid cube of stuff, much of it unopened. Every inch of their home is crammed. There must be 150 scented candles in that house.

买东西。我有个朋友，他女朋友除了工作，很少出门，并且有网购的强迫症。他们的车库塞得满满登登的，很多都没开箱，他们家里的每一寸空间都被塞满了。房间里肯定有至少150个香薰蜡烛。

He says he comes home every day to a stack of deliveries.

他说他每天回家都能看见一堆快递。

No-Assumption2878
I know someone who was like that. She bought two lawnmowers and they didn't even have a lawn.

我知道有人也是这样的。她买了两个除草机，但他们家根本就没有草坪。

fawn_fatale
This was both me and my husband a couple of years ago. My shopping addiction started when he was doing heavy chemo and I started online shopping to cope. I would get into something (like fake flowers or fawn print) and just go ape buying that one particular thing until I moved onto another interest.

我和我丈夫几年前就是这样的。我是在我丈夫接受化疗的时候开始对购物上瘾的，我通过网购的方式来应付压力。我会对某种东西开始感兴趣（比如假花或者鹿斑纹），然后爆买这一种东西，直到我开始对另一样东西感兴趣。

Then when he recovered we bought a house and his shopping addiction started with going to Lowe’s and Home Depot every other day. He had multiples of every power tool under the sun in Milwaukee, ryobi, idk some other brand, at one point he had four leaf blowers.

他康复之后，我们买了一栋房子，但他自己的购物瘾又犯了，两天去一次劳氏和家得宝。密尔沃基、利优比之类的电动工具，他每一样都要买好几个，他曾经有过四个吹落叶机。

It all got to be way too much for us both and now we are pursuing a minimalist lifestyle and donating or selling nearly everything including the house. It really becomes burdensome trying to go through life dragging a mountain of possessions along with you. Now it’s only the essentials and a few sentimental items and we are both feeling much better and less stressed in general

情况越来越严重，我们两个实在无法承担了，于是我们现在开始追求极简主义的生活方式，包括房子在内的几乎所有东西都被我们卖掉或者捐掉了。想要拖着山丘一般的东西活着真的很困难。现在我们家里只有必要的东西，以及一些出于感情而留下的东西了，我们觉得既好了很多，也没那么大压力了。

NoThanksJustLooking1
I honestly couldn't see how someone gets in this habit of buying multiples of things you won't ever use until you said how yours started. With that in mind, I can see how one would fall into it. I can see it happening to me. It is a distraction more than what it is you're really buying.

说真的我完全无法理解为什么有人会养成购买好多你这辈子也用不到的东西的习惯，直到你讲清楚了自己是如何开始的。考虑到这一点，我就能理解人们为何会陷入这种怪圈了。比起购买的东西本身，购买的行为更像是一种转移注意力的方式。

I am really happy to hear he's recovered and you're both getting rid of a lot of the stuff you no longer need in your lives.

我真的很高兴得知你丈夫康复了，并且你们两个都已经摆脱了很多你们不再需要的东西。

ForecastForFourCats
I'm not usually apt to give someone relationship advice... but if your partner is addicted to an expensive hobby like gambling or shopping, you should keep finances separate. They may not be someone who can contribute to your financial future or retirement.

通常我并不喜欢主动给别人情感建议……但如果你的伴侣对赌博或者购物这种昂贵的爱好感兴趣的话，那么你就应该跟他分开算钱。或许这种人没办法给你的退休或者财务自由做贡献。

nelsonalgrencametome
I learned this the hard way years ago. It was a mess.

我几年前吃了很大的亏才明白这个道理。当时真的很惨。

Hairhelmet61
I used to work with someone like that. I was front desk, and I had to sign for at least 5 packages a day for her. I wonder how much stuff went to her house if that was all coming to work.

我以前有个同事就是这样的。我在前台，每天至少要给她签收五件快递。我在想如果这都是她送到公司的，那送到家里的得有多少东西。

UrBustedGrlFrmKY
My MIL has her packages delivered to our house so that her husband wouldn’t know. It was probably something like that.

我岳母会让快递寄到我们家，这样我岳父就不知道了。可能就是这种情况吧。

Clevergirlphysicist
My first thought is, Unless they are just wealthy how can they afford that? Or is that the point, they can’t, and their credit cards are maxed out?

我第一个想到的是，他们如果不是有钱的话，怎么能买得起这么多东西？还是说问题就出在这，他们就是买不起，他们的信用卡都刷透支了？

Poplockandhockit
That’s exactly it. Not much savings, waiting until the next paycheck.

就是这样。没有存款，等到下个月发工资。

Myaori
This. My ex-wife wrecked our relationship by out of control online shopping

没错。我前妻就是因为网购失控把我们之间的关系毁了。

ManliusTorquatus
Tats. I have a friend who is in a lot of debt, but whenever he hits payday he gets some new ink instead of paying down his debt

纹身。我有个朋友欠了很多债，但只要拿到工资，他就去纹身，而不是拿钱去还债。

foxspells
As a tattoo artist - I see this a lot from people that would really benefit from therapy/mental health care, but it’s not always accessible, so they seem to treat the tattoo process as a form of self therapy. I don’t agree with that at all obviously but I do feel for whatever they must be internally trying to process.

作为一名纹身艺术家，我见过很多类似这样的人，他们如果能接受心理治疗的话会好很多，但可能没办法，所以他们就拿纹身当做一种自我治疗的方式。显然我完全不认同这种做法，但我确实也会努力和他们想要应付的事情共情。

Also see this a lot from people that just… don’t seem to have meaningful connections with the people in their lives. Like I’m the only genuine form of social interaction they get. They just need someone to actually listen to them a lot of the time.

此外我还见过很多……好像在人生中没有什么有意义的人际关系的人们。我成了他们唯一的纯粹社交。他们只是需要有个人听他们说说话而已。

daniel2978
Huh. You're a bartender for people who aren't drinking.

哈。你就是那些不喝酒的人的酒保。

RickLovin1
I've seen a few people like this. And it wasn't even something meaningful to them, just whatever is trendy at the time, or they're at the parlor looking for ideas in a book. I have nothing against tattoos - but if you don't know what you want before getting it, do you really need to drop $300 on it when you're behind on everything?

我见过几个这种人。并且他们纹的根本也不是什么对自己来说有意义的东西，只是当时流行的东西，或者他们走到门口在案例里面找到的东西。我对纹身本身没有意见——但如果你都不知道自己想要什么，而且生活处处都落后的时候，你真的要花个三百块钱在这上头吗？

catfishman
This will sound stupid, but World of Warcraft. I know a person who lost an incredible job and broke up a (at least seemingly good) relationship due to their complete addiction to World of Warcraft

虽然听起来很愚蠢，但我想说魔兽世界。我认识一个人因为对魔兽世界彻底上瘾，而丢掉了一份非常不错的工作，和一段（至少看起来还不错的）关系。

Popular_Marsupial_49
Yep. Had a friend who's wife literally had to threaten divorce with bags packed and car running, before he'd quit. He would get up early, play, go to work, come home, play and then sleep and repeat.

没错。我有个朋友，他老婆把包都装好，汽车都发动了，威胁他离婚，才让他戒掉。他会很早起床，打游戏，去上班，回家，打游戏，睡觉，然后重复一遍。

Weekends he'd be on 16 hours a day. Ignored his wife and kids the whole time.

周末他一天要打16个小时的游戏。从头到尾不理老婆孩子。

Rise_Crafty
I had a friend who developed blood clots in his legs because he would sit for so many hours in his computer chair, playing WoW. Unemployed, he played like 16-18 hours a day.

我有个朋友腿上长了血栓，，因为他坐在电脑椅上打太久的魔兽世界。没工作，一天玩16-18个小时。

Maximum-Beginning-92
Oh so you’ve met my ex roommate? In his case it was 12 hours of GTA, smoking cigs, weed & drinking himself stupid and 12 hours of sleeping.

噢这么说你是见过我的前室友的了？他是每天玩12个小时的GTA，抽烟抽大麻，把自己喝成个弱智，然后上床睡12个小时。

mailslot
Knew a guy that found a wife on WoW. A few months after the wedding, she divorced him for playing too much WoW. He had one table and one gaming chair in the center of his living room. That was the entirety of his furniture.

认识个朋友，他在魔兽世界上找了个老婆。结婚之后几个月，老婆因为他玩魔兽世界太多跟他离婚了。他的客厅中间有一张桌子和一张电竞椅。那就是他所有的家具了。

MagicManicPanic
We had two babies and his entire existence was built around WOW. He had no other hobbies, no other friends, no other activities. I tried to get him to participate in our family and my efforts were tossed aside.

我们生了两个孩子，但他的存在意义就是魔兽世界。他没有任何其他爱好，没有别的朋友，没有别的活动。我试过让他参加我们家庭的活动，但我做出的努力全被抛到了一边。

I tried implementing no-technology days during the week and he cried. I tried signing us up for relationship excursions and he refused. He did zero cooking, cleaning, shopping, maintenance….. all he did was go to work, and play wow. That’s it. He did nothing else.

我试过执行一周的某一天不用科技产品，他哭了。我试过为了挽回感情和他报名远足，他也拒绝了。他不做饭，不扫地，不买东西，不做家务……他做的事情只有去上班，然后回家玩魔兽世界。没了。别的他什么也没干过。

I had to serve him dinner every night at his computer because he couldn’t spare five minutes to be with his wife & kids. I just couldn’t take it anymore. I had to find another partner because that’s not what I signed up for. I left him in 2011.

我得每天晚上给他做饭，把饭放到他桌子上，因为他甚至连陪老婆孩子五分钟的时间都没有。我就是忍不了了。我得再找一个伴侣，因为我结婚不是为了这个结的。2011年我离开了他。

It broke him. He was beyond devastated. My leaving him destroyed him. I know there was a point where reality clicked for him and he realized he was losing his life over a game, but I was so far gone at that point, there was no fixing it. I was completely done.

然后他崩溃了。绝望已经不能形容他了。我的离开毁掉了他。我知道有那么一刻他终于想起了现实，发现他要把自己的人生输进游戏了，但当时我已经走的太远，没法回头了。我做的非常坚决。

His entire existence was in this video game and he lost everything because of it. I wonder what kind of life we could have had with our two daughters. Instead we meet in the McDonalds parking lot to swap the kids every other weekend.

他的存在本身都被扔进了这个游戏里，他因为游戏失去了一切。我想象过如果我们和我们的两个女儿在一起会是怎样的生活。但现在我们只会在麦当劳的停车场里，每两星期交换一次孩子。

broniesnstuff
Hell you could be my former friend's ex wife. Even the timing matches up. There was one night I showed up to hang out, and his wife was cooking us all dinner. She was struggling cooking and handling their two girls, and I'm just watching him sit there and play WoW.

我草，你不会是我之前一个朋友的前妻吧。就连时间都对得上。有一天晚上我去他家玩。他老婆给我们做了所有的饭，一边做饭一边照顾两个女儿，我看着他坐在那打魔兽世界。

I literally got up, washed the dishes, and told her to go watch the girls while I finish up dinner. I basically ignored him the rest of the evening to help her out. I was kinda disgusted by him.

然后我站起来去帮他老婆把碗给洗了，告诉她去看女儿，我把饭做了。那天晚上我为了帮他忙，根本没理他。我有点被他恶心到了。

I'm still friends with her on Facebook, and she's doing so well. She married a good man, had a little boy, and they turned her property into a little farm. They look so happy and I'm so glad to see it.

我仍然有她脸书好友，她现在过得不错。嫁了个好男人，生了个小男孩，还开了一家小农场。他们看起来特别幸福，我很高兴能见证这一切。

FaolanG
I can’t imagine how hard that must have been and I’m so sorry you went through that. I think it’s good you realized though that our time on this world is finite and you deserved a better experience for you and your children.

我简直无法相信这该有多么困难，很抱歉你经历了这种事情。我觉得你能意识到我们在这世界上的时间很短暂，你和你的孩子值得更好的生活，这一点很不错。

I hope you and your family are well. I hope he is too and has found a way forward.

希望你和你的家人都过得开心。也希望你的前夫找到了新的方向。

MagicManicPanic
I got married a while after the divorce and he did the same. We have both now been with our new spouses for over a decade.

离婚之后过了一阵子我再婚了，他也一样。我们都已经和各自的另一半过了十多年了。

He has made a few statements over the years about how he screwed up and at one point, he got rid of all of his gaming equipment.

这几年来他说过几次自己之前确实搞砸了，并且他曾经把所有的游戏设备都卖掉了。

One thing I left out of my comment is that I worked full-time throughout all of this. We both had full time jobs. So it’s not like I was a stay at home mom or anything. I worked 40 hours a week at a very difficult job and then did everything else, while he was a warlock.

有一件事情我忘了提，当时我是有一份全职工作的。我们两个人都有全职工作。所以并不是我在家专职当妈妈之类的。我是一边在一份非常困难的岗位上一星期干四十小时的工作，一边做其他的所有这些事情，而他在家当术士。

the-dog-walker
Relationships. When someone can't stand being single for any length of time. And once the enter that relationship, they push all other friends aside because that new man/woman is all that matters

关系。有的人就是没法忍受单身。并且只要进入这段关系。他们就会把所有的亲朋好友都晾在一边，因为只有那个新的男人女人才是最重要的。

FabulousCallsIAnswer
There are so many people I know who are like this. They just can not and will not be alone—even if the people they find are horrible. They will entertain the most toxic, abusive, terrible “significant others” on the planet, just because they think that having a warm body is better than being alone. It doesn’t matter if they’re around for days, weeks, or months. They are absolutely addicted.

我知道不少人都像你说的这样。他们就是没法，也不愿意一个人——即便他们找的另一半烂得要命。他们愿意取悦这个世界上最渣、最恶心、最下头的“重要的人”，仅仅因为有个人暖床比自己一个人要好。到底跟对方处几天，几个礼拜还是几个月都不重要。他们就是上瘾了。

ZookeepergameNo719
Tik Tok // Social Media // Doom Scrolling // Reddit

抖音，社交媒体，刷手机，刷红迪

And every day I see more and more examples. Even worse, some days I am one.

并且每天我都在看见越来越多的这种例子。甚至偶尔我自己也会成为例子。

plausibleturtle
For anyone wanting to change - the most important thing to try is not using your phone first thing in the morning. Wait 30 mins. Then an hour. Then two. Eventually you'll retrain yourself to not care as much.

说给想要改变这种生活的人——最重要的事情就是不要让看手机成为你一大早上的第一件事。等半个小时。然后是一个小时。然后是两个小时。最终你就会让自己不那么在乎这一切。

Also, set app limits! Set it so you can only use the app for 30 to 60 mins a day. Once your time is up, accumulated through the day, you can't open the app and the icon goes grey.

此外，给应用设置时间限制！让你每天只能用30-60分钟的手机。等时间都用光了，你就不能再打开这个应用，图标就变灰了。

Cherokeerayne
I started using app timers a few months ago and will never go back. I have ADHD and will doom scroll all day if left to it. I have all my shopping apps grouped into 1 timer and all my social media grouped into 1 so all my social media shares a 30 minute timer.

几个月前我开始给我的应用定时，现在我再也回不去了。我有ADHD，没人管的话我能刷一整天的手机。所以我把所有的购物应用都扔进了同一个计时器，所有的社交媒体应用也都扔进了同一个计时器，这样我的所有社交媒体都共用30分钟的使用时间。

I went from using my phone from 16 hours a day to now 2.5 hours a day. I set a 3 hour goal for screen time every day and I usually only hit 2.5 hours a day.

我从一天使用16个小时的手机到了一天使用2.5个小时的手机。我会给使用手机设置每天3小时的时间，但现在通常我只会用2.5个小时。


KrazyBropofol
Have you done anything more productive with all that time you’ve saved? Asking as someone who’s trying to find better ways to spend his time

你用省下来的时间做了更有创造力的事情吗？我也想把自己的时间花在更有价值的地方上面

Cherokeerayne
Yes! I started focusing on taking care of myself more. I also started taking my dog out for longer sniffs (she's a beagle and loves loves loves to sniff everywhere that she can so we went from 45 minutes to about 2 hours twice a day), I started a computer science course on my computer, I started meditation as well and journaling.

没错！我现在更加注重照顾我自己了。此外我也开始带着狗出门转更长的时间了（她是只比格，很喜欢到处闻来闻去的，所以我每天带她出门两次，每次45分钟到2小时），我在电脑上开始学计算机科学的课程，同时我也开始冥想和记日记了。

alsophocus
I kid you not, but I had to therapy myself to left Instagram. I was so fucking addicted to it. The first week was the worst. I reopened my account at least twice in the next few weeks. Took me like a month to leave the damn thing for good. It was like my life was boring without it. My mental health improved A LOT just by leaving that shit.

我不骗你，为了戒掉Instagram我真的得给自己找心理医生。我对这玩意太他妈上瘾了。第一个星期是最困难的。我接下来的几个星期里至少重新注册了两侧账号。花了差不多一个月，才彻底和那玩意儿一刀两断。感觉就好像如果没了它，我的人生就变得无比无聊了。仅仅是戒掉那玩意儿，我的心理健康就得到了极大的提升。

tarheel_204
You ever met someone who drank Diet Coke? You either don’t drink it or you’re obsessed with it

你见没见过喝无糖可乐的？你要么不喝，要么喝上瘾。

sexywallposter
My mom would only drink Diet Coke, Heineken, or Long Island iced tea. Any one of those would wAsh Down the constant Advil she took, because all she did all day was sit at the computer in chat rooms. Diet Coke and the computer were her life.

我妈妈就只喝无糖可乐，喜力啤酒，或者长岛冰茶。拿这些东西把布洛芬送下去，因为她成天到晚只知道坐在电脑前和别人聊天。无糖可乐和电脑就是她的命。

She was also addicted to bleaching her hair and tanning until she was as dark as her coke.

她还喜欢染头发还有晒太阳，直到把自己的肤色晒得跟可乐一样黑。

You’d think she’d be dead by now from all that, but somehow she’s still alive at 64.

你可能觉得她这么糟践自己早就死了，但她今年64岁还活着呢。

Robobvious
If anything she’s artificially preserved herself. Like when you see an old alcoholic who’s basically pickled themselves.

要我说她就是把自己给腌透了。就像那种用酒精把自己腌成了泡菜的老酒鬼一样。

barriedalenick
Exercise. Obviously it isn't a bad thing in general but I have seen a couple of people take it to unhealthy extremes and they wore themselves out and ended up with long-term injuries

锻炼身体。当然这总地来说不是什么坏事，但是我见过一些人把锻炼身体搞得特别极端、特别不健康，以至于把自己练崩溃了，身上全都是长期的伤。

Alltheprettydresses
I almost lost a lot. I had a set routine of 1 hour, no less, every morning. After work, another hour of cardio plus weights. At one point, I had 2 gym memberships. I'd do cardio at one gym, then leave and go to Crossfit. On weekends it went up to 2 hours. I was frequently late to everything because I had to finish a workout no matter what. It was mechanical: x number of minutes, calories, or steps must be done. I'd work out sick, tired, injured. My knees, shoulders, and hips are still shot. Plus, I'm dealing with the metabolic rebound.

我差点就失去了很多。曾经我每天早上都固定锻炼一个小时，一分不少。下班之后，再做一小时心肺和举重。有一段时间我办了两个健身房的会员。我在一个练心肺，另一个练crossfit。周末就增加到两个小时。很多事情我经常迟到，因为不论发生什么我都得把一个小时的锻炼做完。内容非常机械：多长时间，多少卡路里，多少步，必须做完。我会把自己练到生病，疲倦，受伤。我的膝盖，肩膀和屁股仍然有问题。此外，我还在和新陈代谢造成的体重回弹作斗争。

Everyone praised my hard core ethic and dedication, even though I knew it was causing me problems. But I'm more balanced now, even though that pull is still there.

所有人都夸我硬核的锻炼态度和投入程度，尽管我知道这给我造成了问题。但现在我的锻炼要平衡多了，尽管我仍然有继续锻炼的欲望。

Maybe_Warm
I used to manage a store at a mall, and the gym was in the same hallway. I used to see this guy walking in the gym and then walking out 3 hrs later every single shift I had. Over the years, I saw him slowly deteriorate to the point where he was walking with a cane and still lifting constantly. I don't know if it had to do with excessive exercise or if it was something else, but it was incredibly sad to see. Young guy.

我之前在商场里开一家商店，健身房在同一条走廊里。我之前就每天上班都能看见有个人进健身房，三个小时之后才出来。几年来，我见证着他的身体状况慢慢恶化到即便拄着拐杖也要去举重。我不知道这是和他的过度锻炼有关，还是和其他事情有关，但看到这些还是非常让人难过。很年轻的小伙子。

PirateKing2807
Games.

游戏。

There was this senior in college who got introduced to games in his first year. He got so addicted that he missed classes/exams and everything important.

我学校里有个大四的，大一知道了游戏这个东西。他对游戏上瘾到逃了课、逃了考试、逃了一切重要的东西。

Normally the course in which he was enrolled takes 4 years to complete, and the university gives an additional buffer of 4 years for people with backlogs. He graduated in his 7th year.

通常来说他选的这个专业需要四年的时间读完，而那些挂过科的人会有额外四年的时间毕业。他是第七年毕的业。

(This was one of the top colleges, so he must have been pretty smart to have got in)

（这还是最顶尖的大学之一，所以他肯定得是有点脑子才能把自己送进去。）