“70小时工作制”建议震惊印度!为与中国竞争,印度年轻人必须加班?(二)
Who Works Harder? Indians or Chinese? Should Indians work 70 Hours a Week?译文简介
印孚瑟斯创始人Narayana Murthy在与印孚瑟斯前首席财务官Mohandas派的对话中鼓励印度年轻人提高生产力,每周工作70小时,以促进印度的进步。Murthy强调了从西方学习积极习惯并为国家发展做出贡献的重要性。
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印孚瑟斯创始人Narayana Murthy在与印孚瑟斯前首席财务官Mohandas派的对话中鼓励印度年轻人提高生产力,每周工作70小时,以促进印度的进步。Murthy强调了从西方学习积极习惯并为国家发展做出贡献的重要性。
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South Koreans worked 16 hours daily, continuously for 25 years to raise and bring their countrymen's life standards up to par with d American & European countries, for d betterments of their offsprings and next generation. I had read an essay / article about this in the very very old Reader's Digest monthly magazine. They simply sacrificed their prime 25 years of life, for d sake of their country's pride and their next generation's prosperity n good life standards. Amen.
韩国人每天工作16小时,持续工作25年,使他们的生活水平达到与美国和欧洲国家相当,这是为了他们子孙后代的福祉和下一代的改善。我曾在非常古老的读者文摘月刊中读到过一篇关于这个的文章。他们简单地牺牲了他们人生中最美好的25年,为了国家的荣耀以及下一代的繁荣和良好的生活水准。阿门。
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i believe that work hours should not be 70 hr a week . It might lead to social problem that japan faces like no social life , high suicide rate and low fertility rate that is why it should be about 10-11 hours for 5 days and 2 days holiday in a week. And when it comes to increasing productivity then whole system should be revised like bettering bureaucracy and effective administration and mostly importantly . A better education system where you build thought process of every individual and also give them morals and ethics..
我认为工作时间不应该是每周70小时。这可能会导致社会问题,就像日本面临的没有社交生活、高自杀率和低生育率一样。因此,每天工作10-11小时,每周休息两天可能更合适。而且当谈到提高生产率时,整个系统都应该进行修订,包括改善官僚体系和有效管理,最重要的是,建立一个更好的教育体系,培养每个人的思维方式,并教育他们道德和伦理。
While we are comparing India with countries like Japan , US, China etc on the same time we need to understand that the people who are working in these countries are in formal sector job where calculation of no. of working hour is quantifiable easily but in India most of the people are employed in informal sector where quantification of working hour is difficult.
尽管我们将印度与日本、美国、中国等国家进行比较,但我们需要了解,在这些国家工作的人们大多从事形式化的工作,工作时间的计算是比较容易量化的,但在印度,大多数人从事非正式部门的工作,工作时间的量化比较困难。
the main problem here in India is lack of competition for the companies in India to a point where most of the established companies became soo relaxed, to a point where instead of trying to innovate to generate profit, they are trying to increase volume to increase profit, this is the most toxic stratergy to generate profits, and it is happening because of education policies of India, rather than trying to promote enterprenureship to keep these established companies on their toes, or bring few of them down, we via education system are promoting socialism and Com...ism which makes people more dependent on govt rather than competing in the real world
印度面临的主要问题是公司之间缺乏竞争,导致大多数知名公司变得非常轻松。这些公司不再试图通过创新来获利,而是试图通过增加销量来提高利润。这种毒性策略会导致利润的增长,而这种情况发生的原因在于印度的教育政策。我们的教育系统更倾向于促进社会主义和共产主义,而不是促进创业精神,使人们更依赖政府而不是在真实世界中竞争。
There’s a need to change the credit of salary per month to salary per hour. Then this idea will work like a charm for both employees and the employer and so do for the economy.
还有需要将薪水的计算方式从每月改为每小时的。这个想法对雇员、雇主以及经济都会起到很好的作用。
I have worked in India as well as US and the thing which you will immediately notice after working in US is that, they don’t have chai nashta break very often. They work dedicatedly in the working hours and leave home early. This is missing in india. People take breaks and productivity goes down. I think people should work 40hrs a week but with less breaks and gossips.
我曾在印度和美国工作过,你会立即注意到的一点是,在美国他们并不经常有茶歇时间。他们在工作时间内专心工作,然后早早地回家。而这一点在印度则很少见。人们会经常休息,从而降低了工作效率。我认为人们应该每周工作40小时,但休息和闲聊时间应该减少。
After my engineering i worked on several jobs but each has the same problem they provide a very low salary. So I switched my career to teaching where i worked 10 hours. I almost now earn the amount in which I am happy and better than my corporate job. India has a major problem here salary is so uneven that one's single salary is equal to my whole family income.
我在印度工作过几家公司,但它们都存在着同样的问题,就是提供非常低的工资。所以我转行去从事教学工作,每周工作10小时。现在我的收入已经达到了一种让我感到满意的程度,甚至比之前在公司的工作要好。
We must work hard to write the history of Bharat's rise but 70 hrs work week will have a huge negative Impact on health as well as Brain-drain will increase significantly. We must find the sweet spot to balance both.
我们必须努力撰写印度崛起的历史,但每周工作70小时会对健康产生巨大的负面影响,同时大量人才外流现象也会显著增加。我们必须找到一个平衡两者的最佳点。
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rather than increasing working hours, the working professionals must behave responsibly and should perform their tasks effectively.
与其增加工作时间,工作专业人士应该负责任地行事,并有效地完成他们的任务。
I am into the leadership role as a Tech Lead, I can say that we are expected to be available 24×5, we need to get atleast 2 days off for our mental health. The current work system is good.
作为一名技术主管,我可以说我们期望24小时×5天都能保持在线,我们需要至少两天的休息来保持心理健康。当前的工作制度还不错。
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Increasing work hours will also increase depression,anxiety and many health issues among employees and it will also increase the suicide rates
增加工作时间也会增加员工的抑郁、焦虑和许多健康问题,并且还会增加自杀率。
1)The salary of top position and that of lower position must be balanced.. as of now its a huge difference gap ..
2) It should be 50 hours/ week with flexible timings and hybrid model so that employees can give time to both family and company..
3) Work should be target based and based on successful Target completion incentives and salary hike must be given equally..
1.高层职位的薪水和低层职位的薪水必须平衡,目前存在巨大的差距。
2.工作时间应该是每周50小时,采用灵活的时间安排和混合模式,这样员工既能给家庭留时间,又能为公司工作。
3.工作应该以目标为基础,基于成功完成目标来提供激励和薪资增长,这些激励和薪资增长应该是平等的。
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I'm Nepali and at present working in South Korea. I work 13 to 14 hrs on weekdays and 10 hrs on Saturday. If your working time is aforementioned then the minimum payout even for non-skilled workers is 2.5 lakh INR. Huge amount of difference.
我是尼泊尔人,目前在韩国工作。我平时工作13到14小时,周六工作10小时。如果你的工作时间如上所述,即使对于非技术工人来说,最低工资也是25万卢比。巨大的差异。
I left my corporate job due to low salary package and Hectic schedule. MNCs to whom I worked for are providing much better package and facilities in other countries compared to India. Even I worked more than 70 hours in a week as we (me and colleagues who also left their job) were in Sales. Now I left my job and preparing for Civil Services.
我离开公司的原因是薪水太低、工作太忙。与印度相比,我所供职的跨国公司在其他国家提供的待遇和设施要好得多。我和我的一些同事都离职了,因为我们从事销售工作,一周工作超过70小时。现在我辞职并准备参加公务员考试。
Increase in working hour might not improve productivity.
Providing proper training will assist to improve productivity and quality of life to employees
增加工作时间可能不会提高生产力。提供适当的培训将有助于提高员工的生产力和生活质量。
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I officially do 40Hrs (8hrs per day for 5 days) but often get my job done 2-3 hrs early and I'm happy with my salary. This is enough as brain stays more productive if given enough rest. Mental health plays an important role in work productivity
我正式每周工作40小时(每天8小时,共5天),但通常提前2-3小时完成工作,我对自己的薪水感到满意。这已经足够了,因为如果有足够休息的话,大脑会保持更高的生产力。心理健康在工作生产力中起着重要作用。
Growth of every country takes youth dedication. Along with improvement in infrastructure it is soul duty of youths to work more and contribute in nation's growth.
每个国家的增长都需要青年的奉献精神。除了改善基础设施,青年们还有责任多努力工作,为国家的增长做出贡献。
Its pretty common to have a 996 workweek in asian countries. At the same time productivity cant be directly measured with hours. But we are failing the address the root problem of the earning capacity parity, It is the US dollar reserve currency status. By the virtue of the system, the person who prints the currency will have the power to use others.
在亚洲国家,996工作制很常见。同时,生产力不能直接用工作时间来衡量。但我们未能解决收入能力平等的根本问题,那就是美元储备货币地位。根据这一制度,印钞权的持有者将拥有使用他人的权力。
I think average work hours should be 30-40 hr/week + psychological and motivational session once every weekend. It would help to smart and productive work.
我认为平均工作时间应该是每周30-40小时,再加上每周末进行一次心理和激励培训。这将有助于工作更加聪明和高效。
More facilities, more technology development, more skill development, more job opportunities will give you more Efficiency, work Smart not Hard
更多的设施、更多的技术发展、更多的技能培养、更多的就业机会将使你更加高效,工作要聪明而不是辛苦
Increased work week shall reduce productivity per capita of Employees
As seen the average salary of workers hasn't increased in the same way as the executive officers
1. First the corporations must bridge the gap between Workers' & Executive officer's salary
2. Investment more in Skill training for their employees or Fund Skill training institutes/programs at curriculum level, so that Students will acquire the skills at the graduation level
增加工作周会降低员工人均生产力,因为工人的平均工资并没有像高管那样增加
1,首先,公司必须缩小工人与高管薪水之间的差距
2.更多地投资于员工的技能培训,或者在课程中资助技能培训学院/项目,这样学生就能在毕业时获得相应的技能
Increasing productivity is not directly proportional to work hours, A reasonable work hour create fresh mind which can help in improving productivity
提高生产力并不是直接和工作时间成正比的,合理的工作时间可以保持头脑清醒,有助于提高生产力
The billing mindset in India is different
For example I work over 60 hrs a week and just bill 40 hrs a week rest 20 hrs goes off for free
For people like Murthy if they have 500000 employees and currently bill 42.5 hrs a week changing it to 70 hrs a week will give them additional 400000 employees without any extra cost. He will definitely demand this.
Now they also demand gender equality now tell me a married woman who has 2 kids will she be able to cope with 70 hrs a week?
In desi we call it ki “yeh Banda sathiya Gaya hai”
印度的计费心态不同。例如,我每周工作超过60小时,但只按40小时计费,其余20小时都是免费的。
对于像Murthy这样拥有50万员工的人来说,如果他们当前每周计费42.5小时,将其改为每周计费70小时将使他们多得到40万名员工,而不需要额外费用。他肯定会要求这样做。
现在他们也要求性别平等,那么告诉我,一个有两个孩子的已婚女性是否能应付每周70小时的工作?在印度,我们会说“这家伙疯了”。
Revenue/employee is decreasing not because people are getting less productive, it's because of the management that can't think out of the box. Hardly any Indian IT company is investing in R&D and yet they are hoping for skyrocket profits. If things start going south then they layoff employees instead of sacking management as that would impact the share prices.
每位员工的收入正在减少,并不是因为人们变得不够有效率,而是因为管理层缺乏创新思维。几乎没有任何印度IT公司在研发上进行投资,却希望利润暴涨。如果情况开始恶化,他们会裁员,而不是解雇管理层,因为这将影响股价。
50 hours is more than enough. We have to stop confusing productivity with time. Mental and physical well being of any population is very important for them to contribute evenly to the society.
50小时已经足够了。我们必须停止混淆生产力与时间。任何人口的心理和身体健康对他们均衡地为社会做出贡献非常重要。
India needs to revise salaries to grow because it will be directly proportional to motivation. Otherwise, abroad has good options
印度需要修订薪酬以促进增长,因为这将直接关系到员工的动力。否则,国外有很好的选择。
The real way to increase productivity is improving quality of education. We have never been taught principles of deep work that involves conditioning your brain so that its hyper focused into a flow state where u feel like u have integrated into your work (every minute of flow state feels like 10 mins of work thats how effective it is) yet we haven't even heard about it. Let me give an example of the flaws of the system. Am a 11th standard student and in the answer sheet of exams we are told we are told to rewrite the full question before answering, instead of just answering the question. We are trained to do repetitive work, given questions banks and told to rote learn. No emphasis on critical thinking or creativity. These are 2 qualities in a person that actually improve productivity, because productivity means doing more tasks in less time, not using more time to do more tasks
提高生产力的真正方法是改善教育质量。我们从未被教授深度工作的原则,这包括调节大脑,使其高度专注进入一种流状态,在那里你感觉自己融入了工作(流状态中的每一分钟都感觉像10分钟的工作,这就是它的效果)。然而,我们甚至从未听说过它。让我举个例子来说明系统的缺陷。我是一名11年级的学生,在考试答卷上,我们被告知要在回答问题之前重新书写完整的问题,而不只是回答问题。我们被训练进行重复性工作,被布置题库,并让我们死记硬背。对于批判性思维或创造力没有强调。这些是实际上能提高生产力的两种个人品质,因为生产力意味着用更少的时间完成更多的任务,而不是用更多的时间完成更多的任务。
India is a developing nation,so that is rigid functions for development of nation . The increase of the working potential for the productivity of item's to be institute. Murti sir correct because his intention is to develop nation , powerful nation ll
印度是一个发展中国家,所以它的职能对国家的发展非常刚性。提高物品的生产潜力将有助于提高生产力。Murthy先生是正确的,因为他的意图是发展国家,使国家更强大。
In essence, the disparity arises from differences in productivity, the vast population, and a shortfall in machinery, technology, and innovation. India's large population challenges equitable resource distribution and innovation. Top 14 crore earners in India have an average PPP per capita of around $68,000, surpassing the USA's $66k. This indicates that in a densely populated competition, only a few thrive.
从本质上讲,这种差距源于生产率、庞大的人口规模以及机械、技术和创新的不足。印度庞大的人口挑战着公平资源分配和创新。印度前14%的高收入者人均购买力平价约为6.8万美元,超过了美国的6.6万美元。这表明在人口密集的竞争中,只有少数人能够蓬勃发展。
This isn't about who works more, 1 ethnically group or the other. The issue is base salary in India is 8000 in Indian currency, where as its 5500 in Chinese currency. But as a matter of purchasing power and conversions , 5500 yuan is equal or more than 60,775rs. The question is whose willing to give Indians 6 to 8 items more & if they give will Indians not work
这不是关于哪个民族工作更多的问题。在印度,基本工资是8000卢比,而在中国是5500元。但从购买力和兑换的角度来看,5500元相当于60,775卢比甚至更多。问题是谁愿意给印度人提供6到8倍的物品,如果提供了,印度人会不会停止工作呢?
To be honest sir, life is not only about money and profit, what is the point of earning crores if our life is not happy. After all we are humans we need social interaction, family time, friends circle, sports, yoga, meditation , we cannot be like zombies running after profit and lose for MNCs, personally I'm happy to earn less money and enjoy more life. 8 hours daily is not less time we are giving to the institution we cannot push our entire population idolising certain top politicians and tech Giants after all they are their own choice and we are leaving on our needs,they are getting every facilities from health to food but common man needs to take care of every things of his own..... so 8 hours is more than enough..
老实说,生活不仅仅是关于金钱和利润,如果我们的生活不快乐,那赚上几千万又有什么意义呢?毕竟我们是人类,我们需要社会交往、家庭时间、朋友圈、体育、瑜伽、冥想,我们不能像僵尸一样追逐利润,为跨国公司卖命。每天8小时已经足够多了,我们不能将我们整个人口都奉为某些顶级政客和科技巨头的偶像,毕竟他们是自己的选择,我们是为了满足自己的需求,他们从健康到食物都得到了所有设施,但普通人需要自己处理一切……所以,8小时已经够了。
Upper class is going more up. Lower class coming down ultimately create huge gap between us. For balancing this company give salary hike basis on ability. We as employee also need to work productively and qualitatively.
上层阶级越来越富裕,下层阶级不断贫困,最终造成了我们之间巨大的鸿沟。为了平衡这一点,公司给出了基于能力的薪资调整。作为员工,我们也需要以高效、高质量地工作。
Indian companies should invest more Research & development of products they are manufacturing, so that there product's demand in international market will increase which fetch them good revenue.
Simply increasing working hour won't increase productivity of company. And every company should allow there employees to maintain a good work life balance. So employees productivity will increase.
印度公司应该更多地投资于他们正在制造的产品的研发,这样他们产品在国际市场上的需求就会增加,从而为他们带来良好的收入。简单地增加工作时间并不能提高公司的生产力。每家公司都应该允许员工保持良好的工作与生活平衡,这样员工的工作效率才会提高。
Work week is not a issue for us right now. However, 70 hr/week is stupid and completely insane. What Indians need as a whole is technical understanding. Even if we take a call centre for example, we are increasingly seeing solutions that are just something their seniors told them, ask them why this solution and what the problem is and none of them have a proper answer.
目前对我们来说,工作周并不是一个问题。然而,每周工作70小时是愚蠢和完全疯狂的。印度人需要的是技术理解。以呼叫中心为例,我们越来越多地看到一些解决方案只是他们的上级告诉他们的,问他们为什么要这样做,问题是什么,他们都没有一个正确的答案。
To increase productivity we need to focus on better technology,skilled worker and also given incentives which would motivate workers
为了提高生产力,我们需要专注于更先进的技术、熟练的工人,并提供激励措施来激励工人。
I think the productivity of india is solely dependent on salary because the salary is less in india so people often look for additional sources of income so their productivity actually gets divided as they get exhausted working more
NOTE:- Salary should increase so that people can complete their dreams then productivity will increase gradually
我认为印度的生产力完全取决于薪水,因为印度的薪水较低,所以人们经常寻找额外的收入来源,这样他们的生产力实际上会被分散,因为他们过度劳累。注意:薪水应该增加,这样人们才能完成他们的梦想,生产力才会逐渐提高。
Merely by increasing no.of working hours doesn't guarantee the productivity but in quality of work in a balanced working hours will be beneficial for both the employers and employees. We're humans not robot. So apart from the office work, we also have life.
仅仅增加工作时间并不能保证生产力,而在平衡的工作时间内提高工作质量对雇主和员工都有益。我们是人类,不是机器人。除了办公工作,我们还有自己的生活。
The demands of the corporate sector is to employ cheap labourers as many as possible so as to achieve their personal goals without giving any heed to the employee as
Because of the growing population a large chunk of people desperately wants to grab a job as soon as possible resultingly quality employee leaving country for better opportunities while those who have no such options,they struggle here anyhow to make a living which also involves bootlicking of the so called employers.
Thanks to labour laws of India that even this scenerio the employees still have some hope to live with.
企业界的需求是尽可能雇佣廉价劳工以实现他们的个人目标,而不考虑员工。由于人口不断增长,许多人迫切希望尽快找到工作,结果是优秀的员工为了更好的机会离开国家,而那些没有这样选择的人,总是在这里挣扎着谋生,这也包括对所谓雇主的拍马屁。
多亏了印度的劳工法律,即使在这种情况下,员工仍然有一些希望生活下去。
minimum wages as per the govt employees adjusting inflation has to be strictly implemented without discrimination in nature of work which British countries are following, but here it is for govt employees only and even if we go with the current data of per capita income in India that is also not accurate due to immense income inequality and money hordings
根据政府规定,必须严格实施调整通货膨胀的最低工资,而不分清工作性质。但这只适用于政府雇员,即使按照当前印度人均收入的数据,由于巨大的收入不平等和资金囤积,这个数据也不准确。
India should improve the infrastructure and management which will also help in improving the overall production
印度应该改善基础设施和管理,这也将有助于提高整体生产率。
I have been living in Australia for 18 years, running a SME for 12 years comprising 16 Australians and Europeans. Inflation is at an all time high in western countries almost 2.5 times high, monthly family expenditure is more than the salary, a job holder cannot save any money.
Exciting news for my company. We have been building a manufacturing unit in India. The real money and growth is now in India
我在澳大利亚生活了18年,在那里经营一家中小企业已经12年,员工有16名澳大利亚人和欧洲人。西方国家的通货膨胀率几乎是历史最高的2.5倍,家庭每月支出超过工资,工薪阶层无法存下任何钱。对我的公司来说,有个激动人心的消息。我们正在印度建设一家制造厂。真正的资金和增长现在都在印度。
Increasing the work week won’t solve the problem at all, I work in the UK for 37.5 hours (5 days) per week. India must work on its education system segregating R&D, engineering and Vocational-specific training targeting the respective workforce with a realistic proportion. When workers of the above skill bracket start getting skilful, they will stop hating their jobs and start earning more for their company… work hour is not a problem, the problem is the quality workforce… and yes India isn’t at par with other developed nation but I can see a sharp growth in skilful workforces, I hope NEP’s gonna contribute on that.
增加工作周并不能解决问题,我在英国每周工作37.5小时(5天)。印度必须改进教育体系,分离研发、工程和职业特定培训,针对各自的劳动力,以合理的比例进行培训。当上述技能范畴的工人开始变得熟练,他们就会停止厌恶工作,开始为公司赚取更多收入... 工作时间不是问题,问题在于高质量的劳动力... 是的,印度与其他发达国家不相上下,但我看到熟练劳动力的快速增长,我希望新教育政策能对此有所贡献。